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spiritualbrewpub, Michael CampExplicit
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Date created
2018/11/18
Latest episode
2026/10/06
Average duration
67 min.
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55 days
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Use sound history to critique, rethink, and rebuild faith. A safe haven for anyone deconstructing evangelicalism, ex-evangelicals, or anyone spiritually restless. Hear from people who make valuable contributions to the conversation about deconstruction, spirituality, restorative justice, and rebuilding faith with love as a foundation.
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10 Dangers of the New Apostolic Reformation
2026/10/06
What is the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and how does it perpetuate toxic charismatic revivalism and Christian nationalism? Pia Hugo joins Michael to share her story of domestic and spiritual abuse within the church that helped start NAR. Learn how she got sucked in, suffered abuse, and eventually saw how evangelical teachings on wife submission, anti-divorce, corporal punishment, prophesy, and apostolic authority formed a dangerous cultic movement that misleads millions of people. Includes her experience in People of Destiny churches, Harvest Rock Church, and with NAR leader Che Ahn.
Find Pia's ministry to domestic and spiritual abuse survivors here: https://piahugoministries.com/
Also see Pia's book, Rekindling the Smoldering Wick: Healing Wounds Left by Wolves, where she exposes the spiritual and emotional devastation caused by false shepherds within the Church. She unveils the truth behind these deceptions and offers a path to restoration.https://www.amazon.com/Rekindling-Smoldering-Wick-Healing-Wounds/dp/B0FGLDLK4H
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Weapons of Worship: How Evangelical Songs Foster Extremism
2026/09/23
Over decades, evangelical worship songwriting became an industry with more and more lyrics depicting spiritual warfare and conquest. Rick Pidcock, a former evangelical and charismatic worship leader for 20 years, joins Michael to talk about how lyrics like "Praise is the water my enemies drown in" shape the people who sing them. His book "Weapons of Worship," is a critical expose that looks behind the worship-industry curtain.
Why does praise and worship music often fit hand-in-glove with right-wing politics and Christian Trumpism? Why is the content of many songs filled with harmful theology about a retributive God and a Jesus soon coming back in apocalyptic judgment? Pidcock uncovers a worship culture increasingly controlled by a set of powerbrokers and shares why this is dangerous to democracy and not even in line with Jesus' teachings.
Weapons of Worship: How the Songs of Evangelicalism Form the Soundtrack of Extremism: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GQNHHPVTVisit Rick's Substack, Exiles in Christendom: https://substack.com/@rickpidcockRead Rick at Baptist News Global: https://baptistnews.com/article/author/rickpidcock/
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Love Plus Nothing Else! Says a Recovered Evangelical
2026/08/27
Educator and Historian, Dan Henderson, joins Michael to discuss his new book, "Reflections of a Recovered Evangelical: Love Plus Nothing Else." How does one outgrow evangelicalism? Is it possible to follow Jesus outside Christianity? What is the history of the early first century Jesus movement? Why did one of the American founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, reject organized religion? Why is today's movement of Christian Nationalism idolatrous? Why is some American history being erased? Is pacifism, like Jesus supported, feasible? Find the answers in this episode.
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Find Dan's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Reflections-Recovered-Evangelical-Love-Nothing/dp/1964252954/
Dan's website: https://www.danhendersonauthor.com/
Forthcoming: A course on how to stand up to Christian Nationalism.
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Take the Bible Back from Fundamentalists & Frauds
2026/05/29
Michael and guest, actor/comedian John Fugelsang, talk about John's new book, The Separation of Church and Hate, which reveals how the Bible has been co-opted by evangelicalism and Catholicism to control the religious masses and access political power. Fugelsang’s message starts with taking down hypocrites but ends with fighting for the love, mercy, and service that are supposed to make up the heart of Christianity. Shared with Fugelsang’s trademark blend of radical honesty, comedy, and deep political and religious knowledge, the content of this book and this conversation is the stuff every American needs to hear today. It’s a rallying cry for compassion and clarity for anyone of any faith who’s sick of religion being used as a cloaking device for hate and an avenue to political and religious control. Subjects include: how to read the Bible, Jesus' love ethic, care for the poor and marginalized, the Matthew 25 test, sexuality, LGBTQ rights, restorative love and justice, humane immigration policies, violence and the death penalty, war and pacifism, Christian Nationalism, and the recent Rededicate 250 event in D.C.
Find the book here: https://www.amazon.com/Separation-Church-Hate-Fundamentalists-Flock-Fleecing/dp/1668066890/
Find help to leave fundamentalism or evangelicalism here: https://www.faithtransitions.com/
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Stop Worrying About Hell. Start Focusing on Love.
2025/12/23
When evangelical pastor Brian Recker began questioning the rationality of a loving God consigning non-Christians to eternal damnation, it turned his world upside down. But, in the process, a lot of harmful beliefs and evangelical sacred cows began falling to the ground and a refreshing spirituality of love remained. Join Michael as he interviews Brian about his new book, Hellbent: How the Fear of Hell Holds Christians Back from a Spirituality of Love. Learn how hell takes center stage for conservative-minded Christians, how it disconnects us from ourselves and others, how to deconstruct it with historical and biblical evidence, and how Jesus' love ethic connects us all when hell is exposed for the fraud it is.
Find Hellbent here: https://www.amazon.com/Hell-Bent-Holds-Christians-Spirituality/dp/0593853199/
Brian's website: https://www.brianrecker.com/
Brian on Instagram: /berecker
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Reading Romans Right: Restoring Paul's Original Intent
2025/10/11
For the longest time, Paul's Epistle to the Romans has been used to justify misogyny, homophobia, eternal conscious torment, and blind allegiance to the State. But the truth is that the Apostle Paul never intended his letter to Jesus gatherings in Rome to teach any of those things. Authors Keith Giles and Matthew J. Distefano join Michael to discuss their new book that corrects these misunderstandings and illuminates the true meaning of Paul's theological masterpiece. Drawing on leading "Pauline" scholars, this content is a must-watch-listen-read for anyone who claims to align with Christ or is deconstructing conservative Christianity.
the book, Reading Romans Right, here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1964252393
Keith and Matthew are also publishers at Quoir. Discover other books that aren't afraid to challenge assumptions, see beyond comfort zones, and expand the collective consciousness: https://quoir.com/
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The Evangelical Distortion of Christianity - Eric English
2025/05/20
Today, we discuss a very important book with our guest author Eric English. It's "The Kingdom of Man: Evangelicalism and the Distortion of Christianity." Eric and I discuss the history of the evangelical movement, what the milestones were when things went south, how we got to where we are today, and some critical correctives to go from a "kingdom of man" to a more authentic society, based on divine love. We discuss: How did a small group of religious people become the most powerful political force in the U.S.? Why are Christians leaving this group? What is Christian Nationalism, and how does Donald Trump fit into this? Guest Eric English writes a column on the Patheos Progressive Christian channel and hosts a podcast called UNenlightenment. He holds advanced degrees in philosophy and theology.
To grab a copy of the book, visit: https://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Man-Eric-Scot-English-ebook/dp/B0D5RCSZC3/
For more resources, visit: https://thekingdomofman.com/
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Gaza Ceasefire Update - And Why You Should Care
2025/03/14
I’m excited to have Kathy Shihadah back with us. Kathy is a Writer/Editor/Researcher at "If Americans Knew"—a media organization focused on the Middle East. She’s also a Blogger at Patheos with the title, Grace-Colored Glasses. Moreover, she has close family living in Gaza and at least one family member who has fled Gaza. She has a well-researched and personal perspective on what’s going on in the Israel-Gaza-Hamas War.
We talk about the Gaza Ceasefire and what’s going on today. There is so much to this story that can make your head spin, so we're glad to have Kathy on to help us sort through a lot of stuff—some of it just plain misinformation you hear in the media. The Ceasefire deal, which was supposed to be into Phase 2 last weekend, is hanging by a thread. Learn what's happening now in Gaza, Israel, and the West Bank, and where things might be headed. And, why you should care!
Get Quick and Easy Gaza News Daily: https://israelpalestinenews.org/category/2023-israel-gaza-war/daily-updates/
Israel/Palestine News: https://israelpalestinenews.org/
If Americans Knew: https://ifamericansknew.org/
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Heretic Too! with Matthew Distefano
2025/02/05
Matthew Distefano joins Michael to talk about the sequel to his book "Heretic," called "Heretic Too." It's provocative, insightful, humorous, and healing. We discuss the book and the many issues he addresses therein as an exvangelical, including what it means to follow Jesus, sexuality, women in the "church," corporal punishment, the nature of sin, the doctrine of hell, violent theology, and how to pray to an uncontrolling God. Restorative and healing, the book is a must read and our conversation is a must hear for anyone who continues to question their inherited doctrines.
Find Matthew's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Heretic-Too-Matthew-J-Distefano-ebook/dp/B0DFRR3JJB/
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Discover Life After Toxic Religion with Laci Bean
2024/12/30
Today, we are in for a special treat with our guest, Laci Nikita Bean. Laci is a Certified Religious Trauma Recovery Coach, a co-host of the Deadly Faith Podcast, and Author of the recently released book, "Leaving the Sanctuary: Discovering Life Beyond the Boundaries of Religion." You'll learn her story coming out of a full-blown church cult and finding freedom through deconstructing conservative Christianity. Topics we discuss include, Christian nationalism, Trumpism, conspiracy theories, narcissistic church leaders, abusive religious techniques, setting boundaries, psychological impacts of high-control religion, purity culture, marriage and deconstruction, religious trauma recovery, and reconstructing one's life or faith.
Laci's book: https://www.amazon.com/Leaving-Sanctuary-Discovering-Boundaries-Religion-ebook/dp/B0DJ1QN7S1/
Laci's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/laci__bean/?hl=en
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The Christian Movement Threatening Our Democracy - Matthew Taylor
2024/11/02
Matthew Taylor is a senior scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, and Jewish Studies. As a specialist in American Christianity, Islam, Christian extremism, and religious politics, he wrote the newly released book, The Violent Take It By Force: The Christian Movement That is Threatening our Democracy. Matthew joins Michael to discuss the book, the charismatic/apostolic movement that has supported Trumpism for years, their harmful tactics and beliefs, and what is going on today. This is a must see and must read to understand Christian Nationalism and its history. You know about people like Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani. You need to know about these key leaders behind this charismatic Christian movement called The New Apostolic Reformation. Take a listen and get the word out.
Find Matthew's book here: https://www.amazon.com/Violent-Take-Force-Matthew-Taylor-ebook/dp/B0CTJHYQ9J/
Institute for Islamic Christian Jewish Studies: https://icjs.org/
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Meet God's Ex-Girlfriend! On Loving and Leaving the Evangelical Jesus
2024/10/15
Michael chats with Gloria Beth Amodeo (goes by Beth) on her journey into and out of evangelical Christianity. Learn how a charming, insecure girl from a troubled family became a NYC evangelist for a Christian fundamentalist movement that sought to govern her every thought and action. We discuss Beth's book, God's Ex-Girlfriend, a wry, poignant, and unflinchingly honest memoir that unveils the cult-like operations of Campus Crusade for Christ and much of evangelicalism. Listen and learn the lessons Beth learned. Is the evangelical Jesus the real Jesus?
Visit or contact Beth at: https://www.gloriabethamodeo.com/
Grab a copy of her book here: https://www.amazon.com/Gods-Ex-Girlfriend-Memoir-Leaving-Evangelical-ebook/dp/B0BKW2433Q/
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The Way: Meaningful Spirituality for a Modern World - Larry Jordan
2024/10/01
Michael has a conversation with Larry Jordan, author of The Way: Meaningful Spirituality for a Modern World. Larry deconstructed conservative Christianity, left 25 years of investment banking, and then dedicated his life to serve the world. Working for the Red Cross, helping Veterans, teaching children in Africa and now serving in Rotary International, a non-religious, non-political service organization. And all in the context of a spiritual journey that landed him following Jesus outside church with a Zen practice. Listen to the conclusions he came to incorporating an Eastern view of spirituality into life and faith.
Find Larry's book, The Way, here: https://www.amazon.com/Way-Meaningful-Spirituality-Modern-World-ebook/dp/B0CGCG1FMG/
Larry's website: https://larryjordanauthor.com/
Larry's blog: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/youmightberight/
Learn Michael's journey at The Spiritual Brewpub: https://www.spiritualbrewpub.com/
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How Do You Fix a Flawed Criminal Justice System? Dorsey Nunn
2024/09/20
Get Dorsey's book: https://www.amazon.com/What-Kind-Bird-Cant-Fly-ebook/dp/B0CKZKDHYF/
Visit his organization, Legal Services for Children of Prisoners: https://prisonerswithchildren.org/
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Take the Spiritual Journey to Anti-Racism
2024/09/05
A former educator in evangelical and public schools, Dan Henderson joins Michael to discuss his new book and "The Spiritual Journey to Anti-Racism: A Travel Guide for White People." Dan explains a subtle, normally overlooked version of white privilege and the critical distinction between being nonracist and antiracist. He puts us squarely in the shoes of black and brown Americans, revealing discriminatory attitudes and behaviors usually unseen by whites and particularly by the church. Listen in to embark on this path that reveals our racist history, what we often get wrong about racism, an enlightened road of reckoning, and avenues of empathy, compassion, and action. A provocative, challenging, and extremely rewarding experience awaits those who pursue this transformative journey.
To learn more about Dan and his work visit: danhendersonauthor.com
Grab the book "The Spiritual Journey to Anti-Racism" here: https://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Journey-Antiracism-Travel-People-ebook/dp/B0D9KDHZS6/
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