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This is Keyes's first interview following his failed escape attempt from court. They discuss the Curriers, the NY victim, negotiating publicity, the boat, Washington jurisdictions, speculation, protecting his family, and more. SPONSORS: Quince: Go to Quince.com/TCBS for free shipping and 365-day returns BetterHelp: Go to BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

This is Keyes's first interview following his failed escape attempt from court. They discuss the Curriers, the NY victim, negotiating publicity, the boat, Washington jurisdictions, speculation, protecting his family, and more.

Season finale. TCB will be back in October.   This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.  With additional research by Michelle Tooker, Shana Wilensky, and Jordan Taylor. Sources include: • KARK.com • 4029TV.com • The Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette SPONSORS: • Factor: 50% poff and free breakfast for a year.  • Quince: Free shipping and 265-day returns.  • BetterHelp: Get 10% off.  • HelloFresh: Get 10 free meals and a free zwilling knife. This episode was made possible by the following Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Robin, Carol, H Beth Jones, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, Sara Cee, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Virginia Williams, Carrie, Jeff, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Melissa Tracchia, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Troccola, Trixie To support the investigation, go to www.patreon.com/studiobothand This episode included music by: Whithe, Sero, LaBon, and Sergey Cheremisinov With featured music by: Sigur Ros Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

Josh makes an announcement about this season and next season of the show. Then Josh shares the entire 3/17/2012 interview between Keyes and the Texas Rangers.

The team returns to Texas to look at a case, which Jordan has been following for four years, that involves a suspicious death, an arson, and an abandoned house. And this case may just shed light on some of Keyes's odder travels and some new and unsettling information on the Azle bank robbery. This episode was written, researched, and produced by Jordan Taylor.  With editing and writing by Josh Hallmark.  Additional research assistance by: Michelle Tooker.   TROVA TRIP TO COSTA RICA: https://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026 PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand   SPONSORS: • Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50off • Quince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS • Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCB • BetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCB SOURCES • Houston Police Department Casefile, Case #030249612 • FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/12/12 • Harris County Office of Forensic Sciences Report 12-0671 • Houston Fire Department Report 12-0680736 • HOUSTON, TX Weather History | Weather underground. (n.d.). https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/KHOU/date/2012-3-9 • Pinkerton, J. (2014, April 5). HPD sergeant fired, 7 other disciplined in murder case probe. Chon. Retrieved May 26, 2025, from https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/HPD-sergeant-fired-7-others-disciplined-in-5377253.php • Pearson, L. (n.d.). Who came up with HPD’s “SL” code that suspended 264K cases? Panel identifies former assistant chief. https://abc13.com/amp/post/houston-police-suspended-cases-what-is-sl-code-lack-of-personnel-donald-mckinney/14822151/ • FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/10/2012 • James E. Lankford. (2011). Peak DB SPL of various Firearms (5 Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm • In J Am Acad Audiology (Vol. 22, pp. 93–103). https://www.caohc.org/UserFiles/fileShot%20of%20Prevention%20extra%20handout.pdf • Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm • Azele Police Dept Case # 2012-961 Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Robin, Carol, H Beth Jones, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie, Melissa Tracchia. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

The team returns to Texas to look at a case, which Jordan has been following for four years, that involves a suspicious death, an arson, and an abandoned house. And this case may just shed light on some of Keyes's odder travels and some new and unsettling information on the Azle bank robbery. This episode was written, researched, and produced by Jordan Taylor.  With editing and writing by Josh Hallmark.  Additional research assistance by: Michelle Tooker.   TROVA TRIP TO COSTA RICA: https://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026 PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand   SPONSORS: • Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50off • Quince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS • Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCB • BetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCB SOURCES • Houston Police Department Casefile, Case #030249612 • FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/12/12 • Harris County Office of Forensic Sciences Report 12-0671 • Houston Fire Department Report 12-0680736 • HOUSTON, TX Weather History | Weather underground. (n.d.). https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/KHOU/date/2012-3-9 • Pinkerton, J. (2014, April 5). HPD sergeant fired, 7 other disciplined in murder case probe. Chon. Retrieved May 26, 2025, from https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/HPD-sergeant-fired-7-others-disciplined-in-5377253.php • Pearson, L. (n.d.). Who came up with HPD’s “SL” code that suspended 264K cases? Panel identifies former assistant chief. https://abc13.com/amp/post/houston-police-suspended-cases-what-is-sl-code-lack-of-personnel-donald-mckinney/14822151/ • FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/10/2012 • James E. Lankford. (2011). Peak DB SPL of various Firearms (5 Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm • In J Am Acad Audiology (Vol. 22, pp. 93–103). https://www.caohc.org/UserFiles/fileShot%20of%20Prevention%20extra%20handout.pdf • Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm • Azele Police Dept Case # 2012-961 Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Robin, Carol, H Beth Jones, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie, Melissa Tracchia.

A case the team has been looking into for over four years, makes its podcast debut; where a crime in an Israel Keyes hotspot eerily matches a chapter from one of his favorite books. This episode was written, researched, and produced by Michelle Tooker.  Additional research, editing, and writing by Josh Hallmark.  Research assistance by: Shana Wilensky and Jordan Taylor.   PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:   www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand   SPONSORS: Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50off BetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCB Quince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCB Cornbread Hemp: Get 30% off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBS SOURCES https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/unsolved-jeffrey-mitchell-murder-sacramento-17382062.php https://www.facebook.com/share/1GyTUQpCYZ/ https://www.dailydemocrat.com/2006/10/29/link-between-van-deputy-explored/?clearUserState=true https://www.abc10.com/article/news/crime/unsolved-california-wife-of-murdered-deputy-shares-her-hope-for-justice-and-how-she-keeps-jeffrey-mitchells-legacy-alive/103-9e1af8e8-984b-4c1a-b69f-ec7cc64b9e85 https://ohp.parks.ca.gov/listedresources/detail/575 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/238696800/jeffrey\_vaughn-mitchell https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article2581679.html https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/sacbee/name/allan-shubert-obituary?id=13658767 https://unresolved.me/deputy-jeffrey-mitchell https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/sacramento-county-woman-vanished-2010-homicide-suspect-arrested/ https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/sacbee/name/allan-shubert-obituary?id=13658767 Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Robin, Carol, H Beth Jones, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

Josh is out sick and snowed in this week. So, in lieu of a new episode, we're sharing the entirety of the July 10, 2012 FBI interview with Keyes - which has been critical in our work this season. Topics include: The Deschutes attack, Keyes's first murder, the victim ruled accidental, his time in the Army, murders on his boat, and more. PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand   SPONSORS: Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50off BetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCB Quince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBS Cornbread Hemp: Get 30% off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBS Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Dan del Rossi, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie.

Josh and the team discuss how Israel Keyes used infrastructure maps to scout, hide and/or bury his caches and victims. This may just be the key to solving his crimes. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. With additional research by Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, and Michelle Tooker. This episode featured Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, Michelle Tooker, and Shana Wilensky.   PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:   www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand   SPONSORS: Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50offBetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBSUncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp: Get 30% off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBS Music by: Sonic Yard.  Featured music by: The Foundry Field Recordings  Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Dan del Rossi, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

Josh and the team discuss how Israel Keyes used infrastructure maps to scout, hide and/or bury his caches and victims. This may just be the key to solving his crimes. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. With additional research by Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, and Michelle Tooker. This episode featured Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, Michelle Tooker, and Shana Wilensky.  PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand   SPONSORS: Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50off BetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCB Quince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBS Cornbread Hemp: Get 30% off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBS Music by: Sonic Yard.  Featured music by: The Foundry Field Recordings  Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Dan del Rossi, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

For the month of December, True Crime creators are getting together for conversations about podcasting, true crime, and the nexus between the two. We’ll discuss creating our shows, behind-the-scenes moments, fears and hopes, the cases that have gripped us, and more. In this conversation Amanda (Wine & Crime), Charlie (Crimelines), and Josh (True Crime Bullsh**) discuss: friendships in podcasting, war stories from the road, podcast advice, feeling misunderstood, weird purchases, pop culture, and more. Enjoy this conversation and be sure to check out the rest: • Jessie (Love Murder), Bob (Buried), Joshua (Somewhere in the Pines) • Javier (Pretend), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Shaun (Sins & Survivors) • Patrick (True Crime Obsessed), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Eric (True Consequences) • Gillian (True Crime Obsessed), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Lanie (True Crime Cases with Lanie) • Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Nina (Already Gone), John (Sins & Survivors) • Aaron (Generation Why), Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told) • Amanda (Wine & Crime), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Andie (Love Murder), Charlie (Crimelines)

Josh and team dissect various information and semantics surrounding Keyes's male-female couple. They circle back to Eugene Hyatt and Kami Vollendroff, and then deep-dive the disappearance of a Spokane couple. Then new information from a friend of Keyes gives the team a new perspective not on just the male-female couple and the vicitm ruled accidental, but potentially all of Keyes's unknown victims.  This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark.  With research by: Kathleen S. and Jordan Taylor   PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:   www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand   RESOURCES NAMUSThe Charley ProjectPacificorps.comLowImpacthydro.orgDamsafety.orgThe Washington state digital archivesThe Spokesman Review SPONSORS: Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp: Get 30% off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSBetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS Music by: William Hellfire, Radical Face, Sergey Cheremisinov, Whithe, and Sero.  Featured music by: Patrick Watson  Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Asch Fish, Becky C, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, Lauren Ferri, Emily Payne, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Inman, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen, Justin Runion, Trixie. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

The FBI releases some surprising new information obtained from Keyes, including more maps. Josh begins connecting a handful of those maps to facts, theories, tips, and potential victims. This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark.  With research by: Jordan Taylor, Michelle Tooker, and Kathleen S. TROVA TRIP to ICELAND Learn more and/or reserve your spot at https://trovatrip.com/trip/europe/iceland/iceland-with-josh-hallmark-jun-2026     PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:   www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand   RESOURCES NAMUS The Charley Project SPONSORS: Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp: Get %30 off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSBetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS Music by: LaBon.  Featured music by: Sarah Belkner Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Asch Fish, Becky C, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, Lauren Ferri, Emily Payne, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Inman, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen, Justin Runion, Trixie. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

In light of new revelations about Keyes's childhood and time in Eastern Washington, we further explore his upbringing, religious history, and his family's beliefs; which all lead us back to that farmhouse in Hunters, Washington. And from there, we try to make sense of what happened on April 2, 2005. This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark.  With research by: Jordan Taylor   And additional research by: Michelle Tooker and Shana Wilensky. TROVA TRIP to ICELAND Learn more and/or reserve your spot at https://trovatrip.com/trip/europe/iceland/iceland-with-josh-hallmark-jun-2026     PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:   www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  RESOURCES https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/jun/17/cheyne-kehoe-turns-himself-in-brother-still-on/https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/influential-christian-identity-pastor-dies/https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/christian-identity/https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/christian-identity-movementhttps://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/christian-identity-movement-analyzing-its-theologicalhttps://califias.blogspot.com/2014/10/art-bulla-and-church-of-jesus-christ.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliven_Bundy SPONSORS: Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp: Get %30 off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSBetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS Music by: Radical Face, Itai Argaman, Sergey Cheremisinov, and Nocturne.  Featured music by: Joan as Police Woman Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Asch Fish, Becky C, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, Lauren Ferri, Emily Payne, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Inman, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen, Justin Runion, Trixie. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

A childhood friend of Israel's comes forward to discuss his time in Colville, Christian Identity, the Keyes family, Israel's early crimes, and more. This episode was written, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.  TROVA TRIP to ICELAND Learn more and/or reserve your spot at https://trovatrip.com/trip/europe/iceland/iceland-with-josh-hallmark-jun-2026     PATREON This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:   www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi   For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand   SPONSORS: Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp: Get %30 off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSBetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS Featured music by: Kate Dalton.  Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Kathleen Studer, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Asch Fish, Becky C, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Emily Payne, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Megan Inman, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen, Justin Runion, Trixie. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.