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2019/02/14
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2026/10/22
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29 min.
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Selling is serving. Let us serve you with tips, stories and experts on topics you care about. Buyer behavior has changed dramatically. Customers have more information available to them, and therefore are unreceptive, or closed, to sellers. And the harder we sell, the more closed customers become. Traditional selling approaches are working against sellers. ASLAN helps sellers make that shift, from 'typical' selling to a different approach that makes us more influential because we embrace the truth that the customer's receptivity is more important than your value prop or message.
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EP. 257 If You Can't Say, "Because You," You Aren't Ready to Recommend — Truth #20
2026/10/22
What makes a benefit actually valuable to a buyer?
In the latest episode of Sales with ASLAN, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris unpack Truth #20 from ASLAN’s 30 Truths for 30 Years series: the most powerful two words in building value are “Because You.”
Salespeople are trained to know their benefits, differentiators, case studies, and ROI. But if they cannot connect those things directly to what the customer cares about, even a strong recommendation can fall flat.
Tom and Tab introduce the idea of a “Because You” mindset, a simple discipline that keeps sellers focused on the buyer’s priorities:
Because you told us this matters.Because you need this outcome.Because you have already tried this approach.Because this is what is standing in the way of your goal.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
Why benefits only create value when they are relevant to the buyer
How “Because You” reinforces an Other-Centered® selling mindset
Why sellers naturally default to talking about themselves and their solutions
How to use “Because You” as a preparation test before an important sales presentation
Why struggling to complete the phrase may reveal a gap in discovery
How to use an Other-Centered® transition when you need to redirect a buyer
Why the approach becomes especially important when you are trying to influence or change a customer’s belief
How connecting recommendations to the customer’s world helps sellers become Trusted Partners instead of product reps
Tom and Tab share examples ranging from complex executive presentations to healthcare conversations to show why the principle works across selling environments.
The takeaway is simple:
Before you tell the customer what your solution does, make sure you can explain why it matters because of something they told you.
Because building value does not start with your solution.
It starts with them.
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EP. 256 Desire Determines Development- Truth 19
2026/10/06
Should sales managers coach every rep who needs to improve?
At ASLAN, we believe the answer is no.
In Truth #19 of Sales with ASLAN’s 30 Truths for 30 Years series, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris unpack one of ASLAN’s most distinctive sales coaching principles: desire determines development.
Developing a sales capability requires practice. A manager can provide feedback, create a development plan, schedule role-plays, and give a rep every resource they need. But eventually, the rep has to take ownership of getting better. Truth-19
In this episode, Tom and Tab discuss:
Why sales managers should not automatically coach every repThe difference between skill development and complianceHow to tell whether a rep actually has the desire to improveWhy attitude is a poor measure of coachabilityHow specific developmental assignments reveal true desireWhy managers often end up working harder than the people they coachHow to shift ownership for performance back to the repWhat to do when a seller is unwilling to developHow leaders can connect behavior change to something the rep personally wantsWhy leading, managing, and coaching are different responsibilitiesOne of the biggest misconceptions? Desire is not about whether someone seems receptive during the coaching conversation.
The test is what happens afterward.
If the rep agrees to a specific developmental activity and follows through, there is desire. If they repeatedly do not, more coaching may not be the answer. Truth-19
For sales leaders, frontline managers, sales enablement teams, and anyone responsible for developing seller performance, this episode offers a different way to think about coaching time, accountability, and lasting behavior change.
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EP. 255- To Serve the Customer, You Must Lead- Truth #18
2026/09/30
What if being “helpful” is actually keeping your sales team from serving customers well?
In this episode of Sales with ASLAN, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris unpack Truth #18 from ASLAN’s 30 Truths for 30 Years series: To Serve the Customer, You Must Lead.
This episode is especially relevant for inbound sales reps, account managers, contact center teams, channel sellers, retail sales teams, and anyone who works with customers who arrive already asking for a specific product, service, or solution.
Tom and Tab explain why simply answering the customer’s questions can leave the customer responsible for navigating a decision they rarely make. Instead, great sellers use their expertise to uncover both stated and unstated needs, narrow the available options, and guide the customer toward the solution that best fits their situation.
You’ll learn how to:
Shift from reactive service to proactive customer leadershipUse ASLAN’s Other-Centered® RoadmapAsk permission to lead without sounding pushyUncover needs customers may not know to mentionAvoid overwhelming buyers with unnecessary informationTurn expertise into a better customer experienceCreate stronger customer loyalty while increasing salesStay valuable as AI gives buyers more access to product informationTom and Tab also share real examples from insurance, retail, fitness, and other inbound sales environments that show the difference between simply answering questions and truly advising a customer.
Serving the customer doesn't mean sitting in the passenger seat, sometimes the most Other-Centered® thing a seller can do is take the wheel.
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EP. 254 Influence Begins With Validation- Truth #17
2026/09/17
Most sellers think influence starts when they make their case.
It doesn’t.
In this episode of Sales with ASLAN, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris unpack Truth #17 from ASLAN’s 30 Truths for 30 Years series: Influence Begins With Validation.
When a buyer strongly disagrees with your recommendation, the instinct is often to explain harder, present more evidence, or make a stronger argument. But that usually makes the buyer defend their point of view even more.
Tom and Tab explain why the better path to influence is to first understand and validate the buyer’s perspective. That does not mean agreeing with them. It means making sure they feel heard before you try to lead them somewhere new.
In this episode, you’ll learn how to:
Create buyer receptivity before presenting your point of viewValidate without becoming passive or simply agreeingUse ASLAN’s Take the Trip concept to understand the buyer’s perspectiveRecognize when you are listening just to prepare your rebuttalUse curiosity to uncover what you may be missingReflect a buyer’s point of view back so they genuinely feel understoodAsk permission before introducing an alternative perspectiveKnow when to slow down instead of forcing your pitch into the meetingBalance validation with the responsibility to lead and influenceTom also explains why one of the most useful mindsets in a difficult sales conversation is simply: “I may be wrong.” That mindset creates the curiosity needed to understand what is actually driving the buyer’s position.
And as Tab points out, validation does not mean abandoning the sale. Once the buyer feels understood, sellers still have a responsibility to bring insight, challenge assumptions when appropriate, and help the customer evaluate another point of view.
If you work in B2B sales, sales leadership, sales enablement, consultative selling, or account management, this episode offers a practical framework for handling difficult conversations without creating more resistance.
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EP. 253 You Can't Overcome False Objections- Truth #16
2026/09/14
What if the objection you’re trying to handle isn’t actually an objection at all?
In this episode of Sales with ASLAN, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris break down the difference between a real objection and a false objection, and why treating them the same can create even more buyer resistance.
A real objection means the buyer is engaged and wants an answer. A false objection is often something else entirely: a way to avoid the sales conversation, reduce pressure, or create distance from a seller they don’t yet trust.
Tom and Tab unpack common false objections like:
“Just send me some information.”“We already work with someone.”“You should talk to someone else on my team.”“Now isn’t a good time.”They also explain ASLAN’s Other-Centered® approach to handling these moments: agree, Drop the Rope®, reduce pressure, and give the buyer a real reason to stay in the conversation.
You’ll also hear practical examples of how sellers can respond without becoming passive or pushy, why buyer receptivity matters more than the perfect rebuttal, and why this is one area of selling where having a practiced response can actually help.
Tom also shares the ADAPT framework from his book UnReceptive, including how sellers can prepare for the most common false objections before they happen.
If you work in B2B sales, sales leadership, prospecting, sales enablement, or sales training, this episode will help you recognize when an objection is really resistance to the conversation itself, and what to do next.
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EP. 252 People Buy You Before They Buy Your Recommendation Truth #15
2026/09/09
What makes a buyer trust one seller over another, even when the solutions look similar?
In this episode of Sales with ASLAN, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris unpack one of ASLAN’s foundational sales truths: people buy you before they buy your recommendation.
They explore why trust, motive, expertise, confidence, and an Other-Centered® approach shape how buyers interpret everything a seller says. You’ll hear real sales stories where the relationship with the seller became the deciding factor, plus practical advice for becoming someone buyers actually want to follow.
Tom and Tab also discuss why sellers need to move beyond product expertise, become students of their customers’ businesses, and learn how to lead without creating pressure.
In this episode:
Why relationship opens the door to influenceWhy being Other-Centered® matters before the pitchHow buyers evaluate the seller before the recommendationWhy product knowledge alone is becoming less valuableHow sellers can build real customer and industry expertiseHow to lead the sales conversation without becoming controllingWhy Purpose > Profits can actually improve sales performanceHow AI is changing the value sellers need to bringIf you work in B2B sales, sales leadership, sales enablement, or sales training, this episode offers a practical reminder of what makes a seller truly influential.
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EP. 251 Emotions Plus Logic Drive Decision Making- Truth 14
2026/09/02
Why do buyers agree with your business case but still hesitate to act? Understanding the benefits isn’t always enough. They also need to care about what the change will mean for them.
In this episode of Sales with ASLAN, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris explore Truth #14: Emotion + Logic = Action. They unpack how emotions drive decision-making in sales and how sellers can connect credible evidence to the outcomes customers care about, without creating pressure or manipulating the decision.
You’ll learn how to:
Connect your recommendation to the buyer’s priorities using ASLAN’s three C’s: connect, contrast, and convince.Use word pictures to make unfamiliar value easier to understand.Tell success stories customers can see themselves in.Make the payoff tangible through demonstrations and assessments.Discuss the consequences of inaction alongside a realistic vision of a better future.Whether you’re leading a sales team, coaching reps, or navigating complex B2B buying decisions, this conversation offers practical ways to help customers move beyond understanding the benefits to seeing why they matter.
Follow Sales with ASLAN for more from our 30 Truths for 30 Years series.
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EP. 250 The Best Way to Respond to Objections is with Truth- Truth #13
2026/08/13
In Truth #13 of Sales with ASLAN, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris tackle one of the biggest challenges sellers face: handling tough objections.
The answer isn’t a better rebuttal or a more polished script. It’s the truth.
Tom and Tab explain why the best sellers validate the customer’s point of view, isolate the real objection, and share what is genuinely in the buyer’s best interest. They also unpack the difference between influence and manipulation, why assumptions derail conversations, and when the most credible answer is simply, “I don’t know yet.”
Listen to Truth #13: The Best Way to Handle Objections Is With Truth to learn how to turn resistance into a more honest, productive sales conversation.
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EP. 249 Drop the Rope® - Truth #12
2026/08/05
In Truth #12 of ASLAN’s 30 Truths for 30 Years series, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris unpack one of ASLAN’s most practical and counterintuitive principles: Drop the Rope®
When a customer, colleague, or family member becomes resistant, our instinct is often to push harder, defend our position, and prove why we are right. But the more pressure people feel, the more likely they are to pull back.
Tom and Tab share real examples from sales, parenting, and leadership to show why control is an illusion, how pressure shuts down receptivity, and why influence often begins when we give people the freedom to choose.
In this episode, you will learn:
Why arguments end influenceHow to reduce pressure without giving upWhat it means to put all options on the tableHow to stay in the conversation without becoming controllingWhy “Drop the Rope” is not passive sellingHow this principle can improve sales conversations, coaching, leadership, and personal relationshipsThe goal is not to walk away. It is to release the tension, stay engaged, and create the openness needed for a productive conversation.
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EP. 248 Your Metamessage is The Real Message- Truth #11
2026/07/20
Your words are only part of what people hear.
In Truth #11 of ASLAN’s 30 Truths for 30 Years series, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris explore the power of the metamessage, the meaning communicated through your tone, expression, attention, body language, and motive.
They discuss how a technically correct question can still sound accusatory, why customers can sense when a seller is focused on the deal instead of the person, and how preparing for bad news can help you respond with genuine concern rather than self-interest.
You will also learn how to recognize when your metamessage is creating resistance, use feedback and call reviews to identify patterns, and repair the conversation when you communicate something you did not intend.
Because in sales and leadership, people do not only respond to what you say. They respond to what they hear.
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EP. 247 You Can't Improve What You Can't See- Blind spots 101- Truth #10
2026/07/13
We all have blind spots, habits, strengths, and limitations that other people can see more clearly than we can.
In Truth #10 of ASLAN's 30 Truths for 30 Years series, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris explore why feedback is one of the most important tools for growth in sales, coaching, and leadership.
They discuss why even successful people need outside perspective, how feedback can reveal strengths as well as weaknesses, why repeated patterns are hard to ignore, and how leaders can create more coachable teams by going first.
Because the truth is simple: you cannot improve what you cannot see.
Listen to the full episode of Sales with ASLAN to learn how seeking the right feedback can help you uncover blind spots, challenge limiting assumptions, and keep getting better.
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Ep. 246 Discipline is Greater Than Talent- Truth #9
2026/06/01
Discipline beats talent in sales because talent may create early momentum, but discipline creates repeatable results.
That is the simple truth behind the latest episode of Sales with ASLAN. Tom and Tab unpack an idea that isn't the flashiest idea in the series, and it is not new to most leaders. But it may be one of the most important reminders for sales organizations trying to improve performance, especially when teams are surrounded by more tools, more messaging, and more pressure than ever before.
The best sellers are not always the most charismatic, naturally gifted, or quick on their feet. They are often the ones who know what matters, build a plan around it, and consistently do the work other sellers avoid.
Key Takeaways
Discipline creates consistency that talent cannot guarantee: Natural ability can help, but disciplined sellers are more likely to follow the process, stay focused, and keep executing when the work gets difficult.Outworking the competition is a sales advantage: The seller who prepares more deeply, personalizes more carefully, and follows through more consistently often separates from competitors with more resources or name recognition.Lack of discipline often starts with lack of clarity: Sellers struggle to stay disciplined when they are not clear on what they want, what actions matter most, or what plan they are actually following.Small, smart choices compound over time: Sales improvement rarely comes from one heroic push. It comes from consistent behaviors repeated long enough to create a meaningful difference.
Ep. 245 Attention Follows Need or Novelty- Truth #8
2026/05/28
In a crowded market, attention is harder to earn than ever. Buyers are overwhelmed by emails, messages, meetings, AI-generated outreach, and competing priorities, so generic sales messaging gets filtered out quickly.
In this episode of Sales with ASLAN, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris continue the “30 Truths for 30 Years” series with a simple but critical idea: attention follows need and novelty.
They unpack why buyers pay attention to what is already on their “whiteboard,” how sellers can create relevance before asking for time, and why a disruptive truth can break through when product-centered messaging falls flat.
Listen in to learn how to:- Connect messaging to the buyer’s real priorities- Use need and novelty to earn attention- Avoid generic personalization in an AI-driven outreach environment- Create disruptive truths that build credibility- Lead with the buyer’s world before introducing your solution
Because buyers do not owe sellers their attention. Sellers have to earn it.
Ep. 244 Top Sellers Focus on Identifying Barriers, Not Closing- Truth # 7
2026/05/13
Most salespeople stumble at the finish line because they focus too much on closing rather than uncovering the real barriers that prevent deals from closing.
What if the secret to more sales isn’t about closing harder, but about understanding what’s genuinely stopping potential clients in their tracks? In this eye-opening episode, sales experts Tom and Tab reveal how top sellers don’t focus on closing, but on identifying barriers that stand in the way of progress.
You’ll discover why pushing for a close often backfires and how a shift to barrier-focused conversations can transform your results. They share practical tactics for diagnosing the true hesitations, asking better questions, and creating a partnership mindset that builds trust—resulting in more commitments and fewer stalled deals.
This isn’t just theory; Tom and Tab share real-world stories, practical frameworks, and mindset shifts that unlock the secret to closing more deals without pressure or sleaze.
This series is perfect for sales leaders, account managers, and entrepreneurs eager to build trust, reduce friction, and see sustained growth. Are you tired of the pushy sales tactics that kill deals? Want to master the art of barrier diagnosis and make every conversation count? Tune in now to transform your approach and start closing smarter today.
Ep. 243 Customers Trust Partners, Not Reps- Truth #6
2026/05/07
In the latest episode of Sales with ASLAN, Tom Stanfill and Tab Norris unpack new research from nearly 500 buyers and 500 sellers.
New buyer-seller research shows buyers are less dependent on sales reps for information. Learn why sellers need to become trusted partners, not product representatives.
The headline is simple, but uncomfortable: buyers don’t need sellers for information the way they used to. AI, digital research, peer networks, and internal buying committees have changed the role of the rep. But that doesn’t mean sellers matter less.
It means the standard for earning trust has gone way up
They dive into why ...
- Buyers don't want representatives but partners
- Unique Insight and custom solutions create movement
- Lack of prep loses trust
- Business discovery has to replace product pushing
Tune in to learn what this research means for you and how you can help shift your team in the direction buyers want.
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jg214 2023/04/08
Best Sales Strategy out there!
Our team did training with Aslan a little over a year ago and it was a perfect fit! This podcast is so great to keep the learning and conversations go...
T rilla for the dilla 2022/06/21
The best way to influence
Tab and Tom continuously put out great content around how to better serve your clients and more importantly do it in a way that is other centered/fulf...
G Marie C 2022/05/17
Great content focused on Sales Life Lessons
In full candor, I don’t enjoy podcasts. It is difficult to hold my attention for more than 10 minutes when listening to any podcast. However, there is...
frambulence 1 2022/05/17
Best educational sales podcast
Every week this podcast and the hosts give great insight to the world of sales and being a real sales professional. The advice they offer is inspiring...
SMSatl10 2019/05/15
Great Listening - Valuable Content
Super informative (the sessions are packed with valuable content), entertaining and engaging. Definitely worthy listening!
Fish stuff 2019/05/08
sAles with Aslan
Great content. Cassidy needs to step up the beer game.
shamus2019 2019/04/06
Favorite Podcast
This podcast is great AF. Big fan of Tom
Meganhaidinger 2019/03/07
Sales+ales= genius
Really enjoying the show so far, looking forward to new episodes coming out! Love that they keep it light because sales can be overwhelming. Keep it u...
Sin Is Ter 2019/03/07
Think Before You Dial
“As excited as we might be to make a sale, it’s best to pause and check our motive. If making the sale is the reason I’m calling, I might be dead befo...
Saddle Up Music 2019/03/06
sALES is Refeshing
The sALES with ASLAN hit the spot! Tastefully quenching, refreshing, and pleasurable to the pallet. What goes better with selling? sALES with ASLAN
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