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Content warning: This episode includes discussion of the deaths of children, grief and alleged criminal conduct. From the latest twists in the Lindsay Clancy case to the decades-old mystery of JonBenét Ramsey, there's plenty to unpack this week on Pop Therapy. And because apparently we haven't had enough emotional whiplash, we're heading back to Salt Lake City. I break down the latest courtroom developments following the Lindsay Clancy mistrial, including the defence's push to dismiss the charges, allegations surrounding the holdout juror, and a bizarre new twist involving a content creator facing an unlawful wiretapping charge. What's fact, what's speculation, and where is the rest of the investigation? Then, Diane Sawyer revisits the JonBenét Ramsey murder on ABC's 20/20, with renewed attention on DNA evidence. Thirty years, countless documentaries and endless theories later, could we finally be getting closer to answers? Over in the Bravo universe, The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City delivers a particularly uncomfortable confrontation between Mary Cosby and Britani Bateman. With Mary navigating unimaginable grief, are the women showing enough compassion? And is Britani becoming the group's perpetual punching bag? Plus, a little RHONY, another bail setback for former Bachelor star Sam Wood, and some thoughts on knowing when to step away from the darker corners of true crime. Come for the pop culture, stay for the group chat. Follow along and join the conversation: Instagram: @jana.firestone TikTok: @jana.firestone YouTube: Pop Therapy Website: janafirestone.com

Daryn Carp has the Bravo inside scoop. Rob has some explaining to do. And a few Love Is Blind couples may need more than a wedding planner. Fresh off the stage at Bravo FanFest Charleston, Daryn returns to Pop Therapy with backstage intel, Southern Charm’s questionable romantic prospects and a sprinkle-cookie grievance involving my close and personal friend Dorinda Medley. Plus RHONY, Potomac and The Golden Life - our Housewives agenda is extensive. Then we need to talk about Rob. The rage. The spiral. The ghosting. The friends with opinions (and drinks - many, many drinks). How did his connection with Michaela go from so promising to this? We unpack the meltdown, the missing explanations and the questions we need answered at the Love Is Blind reunion. Sarah and John have us believing. Blake and Erica have major questions about their future. Cam and Aneha have us wondering whether they’re even in the same relationship. And Wilson and Wilney? A yes at the altar wouldn’t settle our doubts. Who might actually make it - and who has the biggest hurdles beyond “I do”? We’re making our wedding and reunion predictions and having the conversations these couples cannot afford to postpone. Listen now and send this to your reality TV group chat. We have a lot to discuss. Want more Daryn? Obviously. Follow her on Instagram @carpedaryn and listen to After the Edit with Daryn Carp on Apple Podcasts, or watch on YouTube. Connect with the show: IG: ⁠⁠⁠@jana.firestone⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠@janafirestone ⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠www.janafirestone.com⁠⁠⁠

Lindsay Clancy questions, a career-best Robert Pattinson, and my close and personal friend Dorinda Medley’s return to television. We have things to discuss. First, a Lindsay Clancy case update and the circulating claims about her car being and its sale, shortly after the children’s deaths. Then, Primetime. Robert Pattinson had me gripped. The ethics had me squirming. I get into the ambition, approval and ugly compromises behind a To Catch a Predator-style ratings machine. Plus, The Golden Life delivers gloriously unrestrained RHONY nostalgia. The girls are back, the grievances have aged (un)gracefully, and Dorinda has taken to Threads. But Sonja has me wondering, where the entertainment ends and the concern begins. Join the conversation: IG: ⁠⁠@jana.firestone⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠@janafirestone ⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠www.janafirestone.com⁠⁠

My friend and friend of the show, Dana, The Bravo Investigator, is back and we're putting the Housewives under investigation. Some of them have a lot to answer for. From the gloriously unrestrained nostalgia of Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip to Luann becoming an increasingly magnificent caricature of herself, Teresa Giudice's unexpected emotional evolution and Vicki Gunvalson looking like she'd rather be literally anywhere else, there's plenty to unpack. We get into The Real Housewives of New York, my ongoing Jessel Taank grievance, the Kennedy controversy, Bethenny Frankel and Carole Radziwill, and the shifting friendships and marriages on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Then Dana brings the receipts on Next Gen NYC's Charlie Zakur and his reported links to the notorious NYC crypto torture house case. Plus, Dorinda Medley, Martha Stewart, Bravo's returning veterans and the million-dollar question: Does loving reality TV become endorsing the people behaving badly on it? Nostalgia, nepotism, questionable behaviour and a little psychological dissection. Just another day on Pop Therapy. You can find Dana at: IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thebravoinvestigator ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The new pod: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@allyouneedisyoupod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Bravo Investigator Podcast: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Bravo Investigator⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support this show and connect on socials at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IG: @jana.firestone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@janafirestone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube for FULL interviews: @poptherapypodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.janafirestone.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Don't forget to leave a rating and review on both pods!

Content warning: This episode discusses domestic and family violence, emotional abuse and mental health. Married at First Sight Australia bride Katie joins me on Pop Therapy for a revealing conversation about gaslighting, emotional abuse, toxic relationships and life after MAFS. From her own experience of public rejection and manipulation to building a community that empowers women to recognise red flags and reclaim their self-worth, Katie has plenty to say about the behaviours we excuse, the boundaries we struggle to hold and why it's so difficult to see people for who they really are. Katie came ready to challenge some uncomfortable truths, and she certainly challenged me. Her perspective on manipulation and the stories we tell ourselves about other people's behaviour, sparked a frank and thought-provoking conversation. Having wrestled with my own discomfort around the allegations against former The Bachelor star Sam Wood, someone I thought I knew, Katie gave me plenty of food for thought. Why do we overlook red flags? How do we reconcile the version we've been shown with a very different reality? And how might this explain Sam's continued social following? From reality TV and public personas to emotional resilience, healing and finding your voice, this is an honest conversation about the things we don't always want to confront. Listen to Pop Therapy wherever you get your podcasts, or watch the full conversation on YouTube. Connect with KatieInstagram: @itswildbykatie Website: www.itswildbykatie.com Connect with Pop TherapyInstagram: @jana.firestoneTikTok: @janafirestoneYouTube: Pop Therapy PodcastWebsite: www.janafirestone.com Domestic & Family Violence Support - Australia 1800RESPECT: 1800 737 732 | 1800respect.org.au Safe Steps (Victoria): 1800 015 188 | safesteps.org.au Lifeline: 13 11 14 | lifeline.org.au MensLine Australia: 1300 78 99 78 | mensline.org.au If you're in immediate danger, call 000.

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode discusses domestic and family violence, including allegations of physical assault and strangulation. Today, I’m talking about the recent arrest and charges against former The Bachelor star and 28 by Sam Wood founder Sam Wood - someone I know personally and who was an early guest on this podcast. This is a tough one. It’s an uncomfortable conversation, but precisely because of that - it's an important one. Because our perception or connection to someone in the spotlight, can complicate talking about the unthinkable. We unpack the danger of assuming we know what an alleged abuser “looks like”, why our instinct to search for context can sometimes minimise what’s in front of us, and why speaking about these issues matters - particularly for those who may not feel safe or able to use their own voice. Then, Kim Kardashian says she and Kanye West are trying to “hold back” 13-year-old North West from fame. But when North already has extraordinary fame, access and exposure, what does “holding her back” actually mean? This digs into fame, identity and the responsibility of raising a child in the spotlight. Join the conversation: IG: ⁠⁠@jana.firestone⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠@janafirestone ⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠www.janafirestone.com⁠⁠ Support Services: If this episode raises concerns for you or someone you know, support is available: 1800RESPECT: Call 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit ⁠⁠1800respect.org.au⁠⁠ for domestic, family and sexual violence support. Lifeline: Call 13 11 14, text 0477 13 11 14 or visit ⁠⁠lifeline.org.au⁠⁠ for crisis support. 13YARN: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander crisis support on 13 92 76. MensLine Australia: Support for men experiencing or using family violence on 1300 78 99 78. If you or someone else is in immediate danger, call Triple Zero (000). The charges against Sam Wood are allegations and have not been proven. The matter is before the courts.

This week on Pop Therapy, I unpack the questions still troubling me about Lindsay Clancy, Reddington's moves and intentions for the next imminent court date, and the online debates surrounding this deeply complex case. I also discuss the disturbing allegations against Kim Zolciak and Kroy Biermann’s son, KJ, and the family fallout playing out publicly. Then, we’re back in Bravo territory: Real Housewives of New York, Jessel Taank testing my patience and the OG Housewives reminding us why we fell in love with this world in the first place. There’s plenty to discuss. Join the conversation: IG: ⁠@jana.firestone⁠ TikTok: ⁠@janafirestone ⁠ Website: ⁠www.janafirestone.com⁠ Support Services: If this episode raises concerns for you or someone you know, support is available: 1800RESPECT: Call 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit ⁠1800respect.org.au⁠ for domestic, family and sexual violence support. Lifeline: Call 13 11 14, text 0477 13 11 14 or visit ⁠lifeline.org.au⁠ for crisis support. 13YARN: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander crisis support on 13 92 76. MensLine Australia: Support for men experiencing or using family violence on 1300 78 99 78. If you or someone else is in immediate danger, call Triple Zero (000).

Patrick Clancy has spoken out following the mistrial in the Lindsay Clancy case - and his 60 Minutes interview has done little to help him escape the public scrutiny. In this solo episode, I get into what Patrick said about Lindsay’s mental-health decline, losing Cora, Dawson and Callan, forgiving Lindsay and rebuilding his life with his new wife, Dr Rachel Danis. I also get into the interview’s most uncomfortable questions, the fierce public reaction and the revealing clips 60 Minutes promoted - then left out of the final broadcast. Why were these moments cut? Did the interview humanise Patrick - or only deepen the public’s suspicions? And are we analysing actual evidence, or deciding what grief should look and sound like? From the editing choices to the body-language commentary and unanswered questions still surrounding the Lindsay Clancy case, there is a lot to unpack. Content warning: This episode discusses the deaths of children, suicide, self-harm and postpartum mental illness. Please listen with care. Join the conversation: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jana.firestone/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@janafirestoneYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@poptherapypodcastWebsite: https://www.janafirestone.com/ Support is available: Lifeline: Call 13 11 14, text 0477 13 11 14 or visit https://www.lifeline.org.au/PANDA National Helpline: Call 1300 726 306 or visit https://www.panda.org.au/Beyond Blue: Call 1300 22 4636 or visit https://www.beyondblue.org.au/ If you or someone else is in immediate danger, call Triple Zero (000).

In this deeply personal episode, Chef Tzarina Mace-Ralph of Below Deck Down Under, returns to Pop Therapy for a raw conversation about domestic violence, shame and the complicated reality of leaving an abusive relationship. With the Below Deck franchise facing renewed scrutiny following serious legal developments involving Below Deck Mediterranean’s Nathan Gallagher, Tzarina explains why sharing her own experience feels especially important - and how breaking her silence might help other women find their voice. Together, we explore why leaving is rarely as simple as walking away, the importance of compassionate support and the courage it takes to speak publicly. A confronting but vital conversation about survival, resilience and breaking the silence. Watch in full on YouTube at @poptherapypodcast You can follow Chef Tzarina on IG:@cheftzarina Follow the show on socials: IG: @jana.firestone TikTok: @janafirestone Website: www.janafirestone.com Support Services: If this episode raises concerns for you or someone you know, support is available: 1800RESPECT: Call 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800respect.org.au for domestic, family and sexual violence support. Lifeline: Call 13 11 14, text 0477 13 11 14 or visit lifeline.org.au for crisis support. 13YARN: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander crisis support on 13 92 76. MensLine Australia: Support for men experiencing or using family violence on 1300 78 99 78. If you or someone else is in immediate danger, call Triple Zero (000).

This is a very different kind of solo episode for me. I’m stepping away from my usual pop-culture conversations to talk about the Lindsay Clancy case and the devastating deaths of her three children, Cora, Dawson and Callan. As a therapist who has worked extensively with grief and trauma, I wanted to look at Lindsay’s reported deteriorating mental health and the deeply fragmented care she received. But the question at the heart of this case isn’t just whether Lindsay was mentally unwell. It’s also: what actually happened inside that house? And what is at the heart of the uprising of women of the world, rallying around Lindsay Clancy, gripped by this case. Following the mistrial, I’m unpacking the details I still can’t reconcile - the incredibly narrow timeline, Patrick Clancy’s movements, Lindsay’s catastrophic injuries and hypothermia, ICU delirium and gaping holes in the evidence. I am not claiming to know what happened. But reasonable doubt does not require us to solve the case - it requires us to ask whether the evidence was investigated thoroughly enough. Content warning: This episode discusses the deaths of children, suicide, self-harm, postpartum/postnatal mental health and homicide. Please listen with care. Support is available If you or someone you know needs immediate help, call 000. Lifeline: Call 13 11 14, text 0477 13 11 14 or access online chat 24/7 at lifeline.org.au. PANDA National Helpline: Call 1300 726 306 for free support during pregnancy and early parenthood. Visit panda.org.au. PANDA is not a crisis service. Beyond Blue: Call 1300 22 4636 or access free online counselling 24/7 at beyondblue.org.au. Join the conversation online: IG: @jana.firestone YouTube: @poptherapypodcast TikTok: @janafirestone Website: www.janafirestone.com

This week's guest has spent 20 years in the entertainment industry, which means he has interviewed everyone from genuine Hollywood A-listers to reality TV royalty - and, crucially, has lived to tell the tale. Justin Hill is one of those people who has been behind the microphone, on the red carpet and in the room for some of the biggest celebrity moments - and after meeting in person at Hayu FanFest, I knew I needed to get him on Pop Therapy and start asking questions. Immediately. And this episode is SO much fun. We get into the absolute love fest that was Hayu FanFest - the Housewives, the Bravolebs, the behind-the-scenes moments and why the whole thing somehow felt like the world’s most glamorous family reunion. And then we open the celebrity interview vault. After two decades of interviewing some of the biggest names in entertainment, Jus has stories. We talk about the interviews he’ll never forget, the celebrities who completely surprised him, the ones who were even better than you’d hope… and, naturally, the ones that did not go according to plan. Because what happens when you finally meet someone you’ve watched on screen for years - and they’re absolutely delightful? And what happens when they’re… not? This is celebrity culture from someone who has actually been in the room for twenty years. Jus Hill is on Pop Therapy. Let’s get into it. Follow Jus at: IG: @jus_hill Podcast: Justin Hill Plus One Follow the show at: IG: @jana.firestone TikTok: @janafirestone YouTube: Pop Therapy Podcast www.janafirestone.com

My friend and returning Pop Therapy favourite Ryan Bailey is back, and few people understand reality TV like he does. Ryan has one of the sharpest reads on reality TV anywhere, so I wanted to pick the brain of someone who genuinely understands the unseen mechanics behind the genre we all obsess over. We unpack why some shows become cultural phenomena while others flop, how editing shapes everything we think we know - why Love Island USA hits differently to Bravo, the psychology of parasocial fandom, and what reality TV is becoming in the age of AI. And of course we hit all the latest moments from The Valley, In The City, Scamanda and the Housewives - from what we love and love to hate. If you've ever wondered what really makes great reality television, this episode is packed with insights you won't hear anywhere else. You can support Ryan at: IG: ⁠@sobaditsgoodwithryanbailey⁠ Podcast: ⁠So Bad It's Good with Ryan Bailey⁠ Patreon: ⁠www.patreon.com/sobaditsgood⁠ YouTube: ⁠So Bad It's Good With Ryan Bailey⁠ Support this show! IG: ⁠@jana.firestone⁠ YouTube: ⁠Pop Therapy Podcast⁠ Website: ⁠www.janafirestone.com⁠ TikTok: @janafirestone Work with our incredible sound engineer Sam! www.samtalbot.com.au

We're unpacking RHOC, Below Deck Med, Scamanda, the In The City reunion and why reality TV continues to fascinate us. Today I'm joined by one of my favourite people and an OG Pop Therapy collaborator, the one and only Heidi Anderson. Former reality TV star, radio host, PR queen and genuine legend, Heidi joins me for a conversation that goes everywhere - from the current state of The Real Housewives and Below Deck Med to why we're so fascinated by human behaviour, conflict and the beautifully messy ways people navigate life. We unpack the reality TV shows that still have us hooked, the franchises that may have lost their spark, and why authentic storytelling will always beat manufactured drama. We also dive into accountability, redemption arcs, mental health, family dynamics and what reality TV can actually teach us about ourselves. Plus, Heidi shares what's next for her, including her exciting new upcoming podcast, Shit Scared. You can find Heidi at: IG: @_heidianderson www.heidileeanderson.com Support this show and connect on socials at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IG: @jana.firestone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@janafirestone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube for FULL interviews: @poptherapypodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.janafirestone.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Don't forget to leave a rating and review! Thank you as always to our audio engineer Sam Talbot - who you can work with too! Hit him up at www.samtalbot.com.au

It's the Love Island USA finale, and Danielle Peterson from The Villa Download (aka Dani Gossip Girl) is back for one last trip to the Villa. We ask the question everyone was thinking: what happened to that final week? From chaos and chemistry to... waiting for a text. We unpack the mental health impact of leaving the Villa and walking straight into the court of public opinion, the relentless and undeserved backlash against Zach, Sincere's dad delivering the reality check of the season, and does Aniya even like Carl?! Plus, I recap a whirlwind trip to Sydney for Prime Video's Elle premiere with Hannah Ferrier, Lexi Minetree, Renée Bargh, Tanya Hennessy, Cyclone Cyrell and one very rain-soaked rooftop party before heading back to reality... and back to the Villa for one final debrief. Follow Dani Gossip Girl and listen to The Villa Download for more Love Island news, gossip and recaps. IG: ⁠@danigossipgirl⁠ Podcast: ⁠The Villa Download⁠ Connect with this show: IG: ⁠@jana.firestone⁠ YouTube: ⁠The Pop Therapy Podcast⁠ ⁠www.janafirestone.com⁠ Subscribe, rate and review Pop Therapy wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you to the brilliant Sam Talbot for his super speedy production and audio engineering! You can work with him too! Head to ⁠www.samtalbot.com.au

The RHORI reunion is here, and so is our final recap of the season with Dana Regan, The Bravo Investigator. We're unpacking Brian the lying weasel, Rulla's unwavering denial, Jo-Ellen's mountain of receipts, and the rumours swirling around Liz McGraw's future. Plus, we get to the real root of the Rosie and Kelsey fallout and give our verdict on a wildly entertaining debut season. Then it's off to the Villa for all the latest Love Island USA chaos, bombshells and behind-the-scenes buzz. You can find Dana at: IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thebravoinvestigator ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The new pod: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@allyouneedisyoupod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Bravo Investigator Podcast: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Bravo Investigator⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support this show and connect on socials at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠IG: @jana.firestone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@janafirestone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube for FULL interviews: @poptherapypodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.janafirestone.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Don't forget to leave a rating and review on both pods!