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185 episodes
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Date created
2019/06/19
Latest episode
2026/10/27
Average duration
82 min.
Release period
21 days
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“Behind Gray Walls” is a podcast featuring stories from the men and women who lived and worked at the Old Idaho State Penitentiary. Each week, Anthony, Samuel, and Skye explore prisoners whose crimes led them to serve time at the "Old Pen." Their history is explored in depth and compared to corrections topics faced in communities today. To support this podcast, visit: https://history.idaho.gov/donate/donation-payment/
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EP 114 - HALLOWEEN SPECIAL: William Roe
2026/10/27
In this especially dark Halloween special, Samuel tells the story of William Roe (#UN), alias Richard Lowe, who served time at the Idaho Penitentiary for horse theft and assault with a deadly weapon.
After his release from prison, Roe killed Lucina Greenwood in Napa, California, in 1891. But following his arrest, investigators began to believe he was connected to other murders across the West, creating one of Napa’s longest-lasting mysteries and adding to the legends surrounding one of its most notorious haunted houses.
The Haunting of the Greenwood Mansion!
Happy Halloween!
Please help support A City Behind Wall Exhibit today! https://history.idaho.gov/reimagining/
EP 113 - The Hunt for the Bill Mathews Gang
2026/10/14
In this very special episode, Samuel tells a story of betrayal, love, and brotherhood. He guides listeners as they follow one of the last prominent gangs of train robbers of the Old West, an international manhunt involving the Pinkerton detectives and the FBI, which caused the leader of the gang, Bill Matthews (#UN), to have an incredible brief stay at the Idaho State Penitentiary. Making him the most famous Idaho prisoner you have never heard of before.
Between the gunfights, assassinations, dead-or-alive bounties, and shocking twists, you will not want to miss The Hunt for the Bill Matthews Gang.
Please help support A City Behind Wall Exhibit today! https://history.idaho.gov/reimagining/
EP 112 - LIVE! Poulsen And Copeland
2026/10/06
In this live episode, recorded on March 28, 2026, at the Podfort stage at Boise Contemporary Theater during the Treefort Music Festival, Anthony shares the story of Hillis Poulsen #5828 (Grand Larceny) and explores how his artwork may have helped shape Boise as we know it today. Samuel dives into the mysterious case of a missing man and the nationwide search that followed to find his killer, Paul Copeland #3832 (Murder in the 2nd Degree).
EP 111 - A City Behind Walls
2026/09/24
In this episode, Anthony and Samuel sit down with Idaho State Historical Society Executive Director Janet Gallimore and Development & Membership Administrator Seth Wheeler to talk about A City Behind Walls, the new immersive survey exhibition being developed at the Old Idaho Penitentiary.
Anthony also sits down with Exhibit Developer Tim Pfaff for an inside look at the new Survey Gallery, walking through the exhibition and exploring how we are reimagining the way visitors experience more than 100 years of Idaho’s prison history.
This is more than a new exhibition—it is a new way to experience the Old Pen. From the stories of the people who lived and worked behind its walls to the larger history of crime, punishment, and life in Idaho, A City Behind Walls will transform how visitors understand this historic site.
The exhibition is being made possible through the support of our community, and you can help bring it to life. To learn more, watch a fly-through of the new exhibition, and find out how you can support A City Behind Walls, visit:
https://history.idaho.gov/reimagining/
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Daniel Neal
2026/08/22
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Samuel interview Daniel H Neal, author of No Forgiveness - Family, Polygamy, Murder, and Justice Among Idaho's Pioneering Mormons. Daniel recounts his career as a journalist and his techniques to research the fascinating account of his family's history and a murder rooted in a water-rights dispute in Idaho's Teton Valley.You can purchase Daniel's book in the Old Idaho Penitentiary Souvenir Confinement shop.
EP 110 - Grant And Boan
2026/08/11
In this episode, Skye covers the complicated life of Elizabeth Grant #11234 (Forgery), whose troubled childhood and struggle with alcohol addiction eventually landed her behind the walls of the Idaho State Penitentiary. Meanwhile, Anthony tells the brutal and tragic story of Earl Boan #9599 (Murder in the 1st Degree), an escaped mental patient who turned on the person who tried to help him. Listener discretion is advised as we discuss murder, self-harm, and suicide.
Oral Histories:
Clark, Carringer, and Dobson, 2/22/1979, Idaho State Archives.Idaho State Penitentiary Guard Chet Stinnett, 5/27/1992, Idaho State Archives.
Dennis Clark, 4/1/1982, Idaho State Archives.
Rodger Hall, 11/12/1993, Idaho State Archives.
Russ Anspaugh, 4/6/1982, Idaho State Archives.
Special thanks to Charlee Draper for the additional voice acting.
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Mike Hanley
2026/08/01
It's not often you get to sit down in person with a real stagecoach driver. In this episode of Behind Gray Walls, Samuel sits down with rancher, historian, and local legend Mike Hanley, who has been driving stagecoaches for more than 60 years.
Mike, who is currently donating the historic vehicles he has personally restored to create the Mike Hanley Wagon Barn at the Owyhee County Historical Museum, joins Samuel to discuss the history of stagecoaches, his own experiences behind the reins, and what inspired him to make such a remarkable donation of his life's work.
If you would like to support the creation of the Mike Hanley Wagon Barn, please consider making a donation at:
https://checkout.square.site/merchant/4SXGCPD9X7FVY/checkout/NWSBBVDFIDF7NMJPZMBIQSXI
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Susan Brodrero Hawkes on Franklin Idaho
2026/06/06
In this episode, Anthony interviews the Site Coordinator for the Franklin Historic Site, Susan Bodrero Hawkes, in the Franklin City Center. Susan shares the history of Idaho's oldest settlement, from the arrival of early pioneers to Franklin's role in the establishment of the Idaho Territory and the annual celebration of Idaho Day.
Along the way, Susan explores the stories behind some of Franklin's most treasured historic structures, including the Lorenzo Hill Hatch House and the John and Ann Doney Cabin, and highlights several of her favorite artifacts from the site's collection. Join us for a fascinating conversation about pioneer life, preservation, and the people who helped shape one of Idaho's most important historic communities.
Visit today! The Franklin Site is open Memorial Day to Labor Day - 11:00 am - 2:30 pm - Tuesday-Saturday.
Take a virtual tour with Susan here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UEO1Ctpr-c
EP 109 - Ross and Haram
2026/05/19
In this episode, Samuel takes listeners into the gang wars of the Prohibition era, exploring connections to Al Capone and a police shooting tied to Carl Ross #4237 (Robbery) while Skye transports listeners to Rupert, Idaho, where a domestic dispute ended in tragedy and led to the imprisonment of Lucille Haram #10184 (Involuntary Manslaughter).
EP 108 - Muguerza and Rasulo
2026/04/21
In this episode, Skye tells the story of a domestic dispute gone awry, Ella Muguerza #3955 (Assault with a Deadly Weapon), and guest host and Education Specialist, Mariah Villafañe, joins to tell the tale of wannabe mobster, Tony Rasulo #4863 (Assault with a Deadly Weapon and Burglary in the First Degree).
For Behind Gray Walls merch and more, visit:
https://store.history.idaho.gov/GiftShop.aspx
Stool Pigeon Saturday - HannaLore Hein and Michael Hart on the Boise Meridian Initial Point
2026/04/18
In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Samuel sit down with HannaLore Hein and Michael Hart to explore the history of surveying in Idaho. From Surveyor General Lafayette Cartee and the establishment of the Initial Point to the challenges faced by early surveyors, they unpack how these foundational lines still shape land ownership today.
Join us at the Old Idaho Penitentiary on May 2, 12–5 PM for the Boise Meridian Initial Point Celebration, featuring live demonstrations, talks, vendors, and more.
1) Boise Meridian Initial Point Celebration: Surveying the Past, Mapping the Future
https://america250.idaho.gov/events-calendar/boise-meridian-initial-point-celebration-surveying-the-past-mapping-the-future/
2) America250 in Idaho
https://america250.idaho.gov/
3) Initial Point Location
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GQ4hVvbvxG6X6xTS8
4) Bureau of Land Management Official Federal Land Records
https://glorecords.blm.gov/default.aspx
EP 107 - Eckersley And Latham
2026/03/10
In this episode, Skye covers the story of a once-popular and well-liked member of her community who slipped away with a remarkable sum of money that was never recovered, Edna Eckersley #5315 (Embezzlement) and Anthony dives into the story of a young man whose dream of becoming an aviator took a tragic turn and set his life on a new path behind bars, Arley Latham #3402 (Murder in the 2nd Degree).
Come see us perform live at Podfort on Saturday, March 28, 4:00 pm at Boise Contemporary Theater (854 W Fulton St.) **Free admission!**
Stool Pigeon Saturday - Samuel on Diamond Tooth Lil
2026/02/14
In this Valentine’s Stool Pigeon special, Samuel tells the story of a great Western romance. We follow Diamond Tooth Lil, who found work as a dance hall girl, a singer, and eventually a madam. Through her travels, Lil earned fame for her beauty and charm—but she also stole the heart of gunslinger Diamondfield Jack (Jack Davis #820). Through their relationship, we gain a perspective on one of the penitentiary’s most notorious prisoners in a way we’ve never had before. Join us for a story of heartbreak, longing, and enduring love you won’t want to miss.
EP 106 - Gilbert And Shupe
2026/02/03
In this episode, Samuel takes us into the courtroom where Andrew Gilbert #811 (Murder in the 2nd Degree), is tried and found guilty of stabbing another man to death. Then, Skye leads us to Montpelier, where we explore the story of the daughter of prominent pioneers from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints whose reputation is challenged when a man makes promises he refuses to keep #1146 Caddie Shupe (Voluntary Manslaughter).
EP 105 - Miles And Norris
2026/01/13
In this episode, Anthony shares the story of lover’s lane prowler and escape artist Ed Miles #5128 (Robbery), whose repeated run-ins with the law are matched only by his talent for slipping away, and Skye tells the story of Leola Norris #4486 (Adultery), a young mother whose husband’s imprisonment leads her to take in a boarder, a decision that changes both of their lives forever.
Oral Histories:
Depression Era Gangsters, The Motion Picture Division of the U.S. National Archives.
Idaho State Penitentiary Guard Frank Rigby, 7/13/1992, Idaho State Archives.
Herbert Hoover, Address to the Puerto Rican Legislature, March 24, 1931.
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prplfairi7 2025/03/18
Fun, easy listening, and educational too!
I started listening when this was originally released as I was studying history at BSU at that time. I’ve done some volunteering over the years at the...
Tommy the real one 1419 2023/10/20
I like it!
I started listening to this podcast on my cross country road trip and loved it! Each episode I come away learning something new not only about the pen...
Deedee Devol 2021/10/09
4.5 Stars
I discovered this podcast recently and have been obsessed ever since. I’ve loved learning Idaho history and the stories of the inmates are fascinating...
bob's_apples 2021/05/13
If These Walls Could Talk
I just discovered Behind Gray Walls and am ecstatic! It’s so, so good. I love the Old Pen because of its history and the care that has been taken in d...
jacschl 2020/06/01
Fun podcast
I love learning more about Idaho history and this podcast gives an interesting take on history by talking about prisoners from the old Idaho state pen...
MalCanoes 2020/05/07
Fascinating, well researched, and enjoyable to listen to!
I discovered this podcast as a happy coincidence from a collab Anthony did with Christy from Historical Horrors. I’m glad I went down a rabbit hole of...
MKJEH 2019/11/26
So Many Great Stories!
If you like really well researched stories about people who were incarcerated and how they ended up there, this is the show for you. Both hosts are cl...
ammcleod 2019/08/18
Fascinating and entertaining
I just found this podcast and listened to the Daley and Bond episode and I cannot wait to go back and listen to the others! Great content, the hosts p...
Cornerstone1976 2019/08/07
Love this podcast.
I grew up in Boise, and the old pen was always a big thing. The stories they tell are amazing- not just as personal interest but as social history...
lupe07sp08 2019/07/09
Exciting and Interesting!
Love the overview, friendly banter, and facts of Idaho’s historical penitentiary and the men and woman who resided there. Look forward to many more ep...
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