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Growing up, Stephanie Germino was aware that her family had a history of carrying the BRCA gene mutation, even though it wasn’t openly discussed in her household. Her mother and her aunt had preventative double mastectomies and opted for implants; her maternal grandmother had breast cancer twice. At the time, the potential consequences of testing positive for the BRCA mutation seemed pretty manageable, because, according to Germino, she was “an ignorant child who didn’t like her body” and was interested in getting her boobs done anyway.  Then Germino’s body underwent a series of changes: She took up bodybuilding, gave birth to a child, breastfed for a year—meanwhile, the threat of a positive test loomed larger in her mind. When she confirmed she had the BRCA mutation, she knew she would get a preventative double mastectomy to reduce her risk of developing cancer, and assumed she would get implants as well. It was Germino’s partner who reminded her that there were other options, and one day, while scrolling online, she saw someone with an aesthetic flat closure. Germino, who was always “very insecure about her chest,” realized that she wanted a flat chest too. Her surgeon attempted to dissuade her, and she had no real life examples to point to, but she continued to advocate for her preference.   Now Stephanie Germino has built a public platform for flatties, proudly posting images of her chest at @theebooblessbabe, and pushing back on socialized norms of femininity. In fact, she says, “not having boobs makes me feel more of a female,” adding, “I show up more feminine, I feel more sexual because I was insecure about my chest.”  Perspectives is a new series exploring the topics that shape women's lives today with honest, nuanced, and deeply personal conversations. The first season examines the cultural significance of breasts through intimate accounts and expert interviews, hosted by Allure’s editor in chief Jessica Cruel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

“I really wasn’t speaking a lot about my personal life in my younger years,” Raven-Symoné told Jessica Cruel, editor in chief of Allure and host of the Perspectives podcast. But that’s changing now. Raven details the different pressures she endured as a young woman in the entertainment industry, from close scrutiny of the food she ate to the explicit expectation that she’d conform to a hyper-feminine aesthetic. For her, breasts are intimately connected to body image and weight management; she talks about shopping for hours in a day, afraid to go in the men’s section where she thought she’d find more comfortable options, instead looking for hard-to-find women’s clothes that would fit her breasts and her hips. Raven had two breast reductions before she turned 20, which she now regrets because, she says, “It was hastily done,” adding, “I wish I was stronger to say no.” Now, Raven is done with constraints. Accepting her sexuality, wearing the clothes she feels comfortable in, and surrounding herself with people who keep her from “having to perform,” Raven is creating a life that prioritizes being grounded. When asked about how she thinks about her body currently, Raven celebrates throwing away her fajas for good, doing 100 squats a day, and eating healthy—but still making sure to eat. When she thinks about her younger self, and how she could have guided her through the hard times, she says, “It’s gonna get better later…. You’ll take the brunt of what it looks like to be a thicker person in the industry; other people will come and make it super popular, and you’ll have to just hold the trauma from that time for others…. And if you look at the silver lining in it, it’s the strength, it’s the courage, it’s wisdom for another time.”  And, Raven concludes, “You were right: A toasted sesame bagel with cream cheese and tomato and a little bit of salt is delicious. You’ll be able to have it when you get older.” Perspectives is a new series exploring the topics that shape women's lives today with honest, nuanced, and deeply personal conversations. The first season examines the cultural significance of breasts through intimate accounts and expert interviews, hosted by Allure’s editor in chief Jessica Cruel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Lisa Cassileth is a breast surgeon in Beverly Hills, which, according to her, means encountering “so many bad boob jobs.” But repairing someone else’s questionable handiwork happens to be one of Dr. Cassileth’s specialties, along with innovative reconstructions and other thoughtful surgical developments that prioritize positive patient outcomes and well-being. Dr. Cassileth was the first female chief of plastic surgery at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center and has started two practices of her own.  “Women aren’t really getting breast reductions as much as they used to,” Dr. Cassileth tells Jessica Cruel, host of the Perspectives podcast and editor in chief of Allure. That’s largely due to the impact of GLP-1s. “[Patients are] getting breast lifts because after the weight is lost…it’s really now a skin problem.” Breast lifts are aided by an absorbable mesh, which can hold the breast in place while scar tissue and collagen forms to support the newly tightened skin.  Dr. Cassileth discusses this and other trends and technological developments in the breast surgery space, including improved implants, fat transfers for augmentations, the use of peptides for expedited recovery, and the influence of AI. Her office uses AI-enhanced modeling to preview surgical outcomes, but Dr. Cassileth and other cosmetic and medical providers are also facing the reality that patients’ expectations are being skewed by AI-generated images. “Even though I’m a plastic surgeon,” Dr. Cassileth says, “and I have a lot of tools at my disposal, not even natural humans can achieve what AI is achieving.”  Still, a lot can be achieved. Dr. Cassileth talks through the essential steps for safe and sterile breast reconstruction or augmentation, and explains why patients seeking breast reductions are her favorite to work with. She also details the expectations she has for mastectomy surgeons in hospitals, calling out high rates of mastectomy flap necrosis, which happens when skin tissue dies due to lack of blood flow, complicating reconstructions. “You can have plastic surgeons that are fantastic, but if the mastectomy surgeon who removes the breast tissue is still making a big line, or if the overlying skin dies at the time they do the mastectomy, because the skin is thinned out too much, then,” Dr. Cassileth asks, “how does a plastic surgeon do a good job?”  Perspectives is a new series exploring the topics that shape women's lives today with honest, nuanced, and deeply personal conversations. The first season examines the cultural significance of breasts through intimate accounts and expert interviews, hosted by Allure’s editor in chief Jessica Cruel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ericka Hart is in the next phase of her lifelong sex education. Starting as a curious and resourceful teenager, looking for answers to supplement her abstinence-only sex-ed class, Hart built on her knowledge when she was diagnosed, at 28, with breast cancer. Until her diagnosis, Hart had never really thought about her breasts. “They really felt like they were in service to other people,” she says. That changed post-treatment when she went topless at a music festival in 2016, publicly displaying her mastectomy scars: “I just wanted people…to see me and my scars, and to see what breast cancer looks like in Black, queer, and trans people.” She also wanted to challenge the cultural default that desexualizes cancer survivors. People would tell Hart over and over that she was so inspiring, which was nice, but, she adds, “I’m also pretty hot.”  That next phase of her education arrived when she got pregnant with her partner using IUI (intrauterine insemination) and gave birth. “I feel much different in my body now as a 40-year-old who is three years postpartum than I did after breast cancer,” Hart says. “I think pregnancy and childbirth truly rocked me more than anything I’ve ever experienced.” Now that she’s raising a child, Hart is aware of another change—the feeling that she wants to keep her body to herself, asking, “What’s for me?”  Ericka Hart is a sex educator, activist, and the author of Nasty Work.  Allure’s Perspectives is a new series exploring the topics shaping women's lives today through honest, nuanced, and deeply personal conversations. The first season examines the cultural significance of breasts through intimate accounts and expert interviews, hosted by editor in chief Jessica Cruel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You can’t talk about breasts without talking about bras. So Jessica Cruel, Allure’s editor in chief, went to the source: Dr. Valerie Steele, director and chief curator of the Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York City. Dr. Steele is a pioneer in the field of fashion studies and that the clothes we wear–and what we wear underneath them–merit serious attention. She’s also the author of a book tracing the cultural history of the corset and how it influenced the development of other shapewear. Cue: the bra. Bras started to show up in the early 20th century as more women joined the workforce and pursued activities that required a broader range of movement and support. From torpedo-like bras to padded bras to more gamine bralettes, they are, according to Dr. Steele, “always in relation to the style of dress” that’s popular at the time and often attempt to balance looking “respectable” with being “sexually attractive.” Women, Dr. Steele notes, have always sought some form of shapewear, even if it's a rejection of the structure (e.g., bra-burning in the '70s). Today, as bra designers focus on balancing comfort with style, Dr. Steele highlights how there is still an impulse to nip, tuck, cinch, and lift the body. Allure’s Perspectives is a new series exploring the topics shaping women's lives today through honest, nuanced, and deeply personal conversations. The first season examines the cultural significance of breasts through intimate accounts and expert interviews, hosted by editor in chief Jessica Cruel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pam sits down in an unprecedented discussion with British Vogue’s Edward Enninful to discuss his new memoir, ‘A Visible Man’. They'll talk about his journey, his favorite shoots, the lessons he learned and what advice he would give his younger self today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In her five years as editor in chief of Vanity Fair, Radhika Jones has dedicated the platform—and VF’s coveted covers—to highlighting the artists, writers, actors, and leaders who are moving the culture forward. Through periods of political and cultural upheaval, she’s been steadfast in her exploration of art, activism, and power in 21st century America, and VF’s audience has grown as a result. For this episode, Pam sits down with Radhika for a conversation about how VF’s aspirational coverage of Hollywood contributed to the industry’s evolution, the joy of publishing stories for a multifaceted audience, and her early Oscars favorites. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Special Election Day episode! For so long, it seemed endless progress was afoot for women, yet the past two years have told a different narrative with women taking on so much during the pandemic and perhaps being forced out of the workforce, now punctuated by the monumental decision by the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade in June 2022. Where can we possibly go from here? I assure you, the women of this generation are not taking this lying down. Where is the media on raising hell? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The coming Web3 revolution may already be upon us, yet still so many of us don’t exactly know what is going on. How does this affect our real world personas and what does this mean for the media world at large? Pam will discuss the Metaverse, Crypto and digital fashion (what we know, what we don’t and what everything we can possibly imagine about it) with Vogue Business Senior Innovation Editor Maghan McDowell and Founder and CEO Alice Delahunt.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When you think about it - influencers have changed the face of media over the last decade with the rise of social media. Elementary school kids now aspire to be “instafamous” as the new traditional career path…but there’s a vibe shift coming….or it could actually already be happening? So how will influencers evolve as media (social and all) evolves? Will they lead the way or follow? Pam and Phill will investigate with this riveting conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Where are we going when it comes to equality and representation? Pam will have a robust discussion about the recent victory securing equal pay for the U.S. Women’s Soccer Team - how this happened and what is left to fight for in this space. How are we taking a step forward together, and at the same time, taking a step backwards? They’ll also dive into Ashlyn’s history and how she came into the sport to begin with, her family and advocacy and where she thinks she’ll go after she hangs up her cleats  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you want to really understand what’s happening in the U.S. (and the world) at large, there’s really one person to ask - editor of The New Yorker, David Remnick. His calm presence and firm knowledge of all things politics is simply unparalleled. Pam will speak with David in a rare conversation prior to the midterm elections in the U.S. to understand the pivotal issues at hand and where he thinks the U.S. is headed today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Whether you just didn’t save in your 20s or 30s or had to cash in your 401K and are starting from scratch, you can get your retirement back on track at any age. Today’s guest is 38 and hasn't started saving for retirement yet—and she's worried she's fallen behind. She's wondering how much money she should save, where she should keep that savings, and how to support herself and her family now while planning for their future.  Expert: Tiffany “The Budgetnista” Aliche. Buy her latest book, Get Good With Money, here. Learn more about Simplified Employee Pensions Plans at https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/plan-sponsor/simplified-employee-pension-plan-sep For more on the topics covered in today's episode, visit glamour.com/money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Covid has taught us that many office workers can work from anywhere. As the U.S. moves toward an eventual return to the office—while navigating variants and vaccine boosters—we have the opportunity to help define what full-time work looks like and where we're sitting when we do it. For those who want to keep working virtually—like today's guest—what does WFH mean for their finances, their taxes, and their career trajectory? Expert: Shelly Bell, Founder and CEO of Black Girl Ventures. Read reports on the state of women and finances: visa.com/smallbusinesshub For more on the topics covered in today's episode, visit glamour.com/money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Raising a child is expensive. And of course the challenges (and spending) that come with parenthood will look different when the parents are considerably younger or older than average. Today’s guests are both mothers, but they had children at very different stages in their lives. (One was 21 when she welcomed her first; the other, 42.) Now they're both wondering how to prepare for their financial futures—and their children's.  Expert: Tiffany “The Budgetnista” Aliche.  For more on the topics covered in today's episode, visit glamour.com/money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices