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2019/09/05
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2026/10/13
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Join us while we talk to infection preventionists to learn the facts about infection prevention, the truth about some common myths, and tips to keeping yourself and the people around you safe. Brought to you by the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology.
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IIPW 2026
2026/10/13
What if the evolution of infection prevention could inspire the way we approach healthcare today? Join us as we explore the theme for this year's International Infection Prevention Week—"Generations of Infection Prevention: Past, Present, Protected." Listen in as experts Rochelle Beard and Kelley Boston reflect on the history, innovations, and future of infection prevention, revealing insights into how far we've come and where we're headed. Tune in for creative ideas to celebrate the week and engage your healthcare teams!
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes and Jess Fargher
About our Guests:
Rochelle Beard
Rochelle Beard, MSN, RN, CIC, CPHQ, began her career in infection prevention in 2015 and has since built a career focused on improving the safety and quality of healthcare. She currently serves as a Project Manager with Stantec, bringing her clinical and infection prevention perspective to healthcare projects.
Rochelle is also the founder of RBIP Consulting, where she provides infection prevention consulting, education, and mentorship, and serves on the Board of Directors for the Kentucky Association for Healthcare Quality (KAHQ). She is passionate about making infection prevention practical and approachable and helping others recognize that preventing infections is a shared responsibility that extends well beyond the infection prevention department.
Kelley Boston
Kelley Boston is an infection preventionist with more than 20 years in the field and a Senior Associate with Infection Prevention & Management Associates in Houston. She has worked everywhere from solo IP roles to leading programs across large multi-facility systems, in community hospitals and academic medical centers, with specialty experience in pediatrics, transplant, trauma, and behavioral health. She holds a Master of Public Health from UTHealth Houston, is a Fellow of APIC, and was named an APIC Hero of Infection Prevention in 2016. She was a former lead clinical editor of the APIC Text, has served as president of three APIC chapters, and is currently the legislative representative for the Houston chapter and a member of APIC's communication committee. Outside of work, she enjoys exploring the connections between art and science, sustainable craft, spending time outdoors, and mentoring girls and young women in leadership and skill-building programs.
News vs. Noise With Aaron Woodall
2026/09/08
How can we discern genuine health threats from sensational media hype? In this episode, Jess and Kelly dive into the critical topic of 'News Vs. Noise' in healthcare, featuring Aaron Woodall, an expert in infection control. They explore strategies to filter misinformation, emphasizing the importance of credible sources and frameworks for assessing health risks. With insights from Aaron's military background, this discussion equips infection preventionists with tools to navigate the overwhelming influx of health information while maintaining a clear focus on what truly matters. Tune in for an enlightening conversation with a bit of a fun "2 Truths & a Lie" at the end!
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes and Jess Fargher
About our Guest:
Aaron Woodall Dr. PH, MPH, CIC, LTC-CIP
Aaron A. Woodall is the Chief of Infection Prevention & Control for Tampa/VISN 8 Veterans Integrated Service Network within the Department of Veterans Affairs. An infection preventionist with nearly two decades of global experience,
Aaron's career began in military combat medicine and public health efforts across Eastern Afghanistan, Europe, Middle East and Africa. His expertise spans diverse healthcare environments, including public health, major hospitals, long-term acute care, spinal cord injury, home care, laboratory, inpatient behavioral health, homeless shelters, and long-term care.
Creepy Crawlers: Unmasking Hidden Infection Risks in Healthcare
2026/08/11
What lurks beneath the surface of our healthcare facilities? In this episode, we delve into the often-ignored threat of pests and their potential role in infection risks. Join Jess, Kelly, and expert Dr. Stephanie Stroever as they uncover the hidden dangers of insects in hospitals, discuss strategies for prevention, and emphasize the importance of addressing these issues proactively. Discover why your facility's cleanliness might not be enough and learn how to collaborate effectively to ensure patient safety.
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes and Jess Fargher
About our Guest:
Stephanie Stroever, PhD, MPH
Dr. Stephanie Stroever is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Medical Education and Director of Research for the Division of Emergency Medicine. She has a PhD and Master of Public Health from the UTHealth School of Public Health, as well as a Bachelor of Science in Microbiology from the University of Texas at Austin. Dr. Stroever teaches applied statistics, epidemiology, evidence-based medicine, and research methods across all levels of training, including continuing medical education and faculty development. She is passionate about conducting meaningful research and has extensive experience navigating its life cycle as a research methodologist. Her clinical expertise is infection prevention and healthcare epidemiology, and she is currently involved in numerous studies in healthcare epidemiology, emergency medicine, medical education, implementation science, and maternal health. She has experience in both qualitative and quantitative research and enjoys doing both.
AI in Action at APIC26: Transforming Infection Prevention
2026/06/09
How can artificial intelligence revolutionize public health reporting? In this episode, Jess and Kelly chat with Jameson Dowling, who shares insights on his innovative project that leverages AI to streamline infection prevention efforts. As he gears up to present at APIC 2026 in Nashville, they explore the intersection of technology and healthcare, discussing both the challenges and successes of implementing AI in real-world scenarios. Tune in to discover how this cutting-edge approach can save time and enhance accuracy in public health reporting!
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes and Jess Fargher
About our Guest:
Jameson Dowling, MPH
Jameson Dowling, MPH, is a Data Analyst within the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia Infection Prevention & Control Department. He has a professional background in clinical research, focusing on pediatric rheumatology, pediatric cardiac arrest, and neonatal sepsis/antibiotic use. He uses this experience and an educational background in public health and epidemiology to apply data analysis skills to the infection prevention and control field.
Ready for the Worst: High-Consequence Infectious Diseases With Carrie Billman
2026/05/12
How prepared are we for high-consequence infectious diseases? In this episode of the 5 Second Rule Podcast, hosts Jess Fargher and Kelly Holmes dive deep into infection prevention strategies and emergency preparedness with Carrie Billman, a seasoned expert. They discuss the critical need for healthcare professionals to understand high-consequence infectious diseases, the role of robust protocols, and the importance of communication and training. Tune in to discover the insights that could save lives in future outbreaks!
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes and Jess Fargher
About our Guest:
Carrie Billman, MHPE, RN, CIC
Carrie Billman MHPE, RN, CIC is a senior Infection Preventionist who serves as the Director of Education and Training for the Biocontainment Unit (BCU) at the Johns Hopkins Special Pathogen Center where she leads the design and implementation of training curriculum to prepare clinicians at Johns Hopkins and throughout HHS Region 3 to safely care for patients requiring high-level isolation. She leads the BCU Infection Prevention team and trained observer program and serves as an adjunct faculty for the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health.
A Voice on Vaccines with Dr. Demetre Daskalakis
2026/04/14
What if the science behind vaccinations isn't as straightforward as we think? In this episode, we navigate the chaos surrounding U.S. vaccine recommendations with Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, a public health leader with extensive expertise. He confronts vaccine skepticism, the evolving landscape of immunization policies, and the critical role healthcare professionals play in guiding patients through confusion. Join us for a fun, honest, and enlightening discussion that aims to clarify misconceptions and emphasize the importance of vaccinations for public health.
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes and Jess Fargher
About our Guest:
Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, MD, MPH
Demetre C. Daskalakis, MD, MPH, is an infectious disease physician and public health leader recognized for his expertise in infectious diseases and emergency response, with leadership experience at the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, the CDC, and in the White House National Mpox Response. He is currently the Chief Medical Officer of the Callen-Lorde Community Health Center.
Getting to Know Your 5 Second Rule Hosts!
2026/03/10
In this special episode, Kelly Holmes marks an exciting new chapter as the 5 Second Rule Podcast welcomes a new co-host, Jess Fargher! Kelly and Jess laugh and bond about the quirks and nerves that come with recording a podcast, the passion and dedication behind being an infection preventionist, and a hopeful future of honest, relatable, conversations with guests. We're so excited for what's ahead, and we can't wait for you to tune in.
Hosted by: Kelly Holmes, MS, AL-CIP, FAPIC and Jess Fargher
About our Guest:
Jess Fargher, 5 Second Rule Podcast Co-Host Jess Fargher began her career in Infection Prevention in 2022. With a diverse background of military service, laboratory science, and public health, she brings a multidisciplinary perspective to a role that does not follow a single, straight path.
Early in her work as an Infection Preventionist, Jess identified gaps in infection prevention education, particularly for non-nursing departments whose roles are critical to patient safety but often underserved in formal training. She developed customized, role-specific education to ensure every team member understood their impact on preventing healthcare-associated infections.
Recognizing similar opportunities within nursing education, she began incorporating themed, multimodal learning strategies to make infection prevention engaging, practical, and memorable. Her experiences in the field have deepened her understanding of system-level challenges in healthcare and inspired her to pursue graduate education to further strengthen her skills in public health and education.
Industrial Hygienists and Infection Prevention: A Powerful Partnership
2026/02/10
What does an industrial hygienist do, and how does it support infection prevention? In this episode of the Five Second Rule podcast, Grant Quiller and Spencer Baker break down their dynamic roles in healthcare safety. From air quality tools to construction oversight and water management, learn how their expertise elevates patient and staff protection. Packed with insights, humor and show-and-tell moments, this episode is a must-listen!
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes and Heather Ridge
About our Guests:
Grant Quiller
Grant is a dual certified industrial hygienist and safety professional with over 17 years of field experience. He has diverse experience across healthcare, construction, industry, and litigation. He currently works as an industrial hygienist in the Infection Prevention department at Novant Health serving the greater Charlotte, North Carolina region and beyond.
Spencer Baker
Spencer Baker is the first industrial hygienist at the University of Iowa Health Care. He received a bachelor's degree in public health from Brigham Young University and a master's degree in occupational health and safety: industrial hygiene from the University of Iowa. Over the past three years, Spencer has partnered with clinical and facilities teams to reduce infection risks by advancing initiatives focused on hospital infrastructure and environmental safety. When he's not working, Spencer enjoys being outdoors, spending time with his wife and two kids, and binge-watching Survivor with a bowl of his favorite dark chocolate brownie ice cream.
From Bedside to Boardroom: A Conversation With Kathy Ward, APIC's 2026 President
2026/01/13
What inspires an RN to lead national infection prevention efforts? In this episode, Kelly Holmes welcomes 2026 APIC President Kathy Ward to share her journey from bedside support to infection prevention powerhouse. Hear how mentors shaped her career, what she envisions for the future of IPC, her advice for rising leaders, and her vision for APIC in 2026!
Hosted by: Kelly Holmes
About our Guest: Kathy Ward, 2026 APIC President Kathy Ward has been an Infection Preventionist for more than 20 years. She is currently an Infection Preventionist, Team Lead, at Roper St. Francis Healthcare in Charleston, SC. As a member of APIC-Palmetto Chapter, she has served as President, President-Elect, Program Chair and Co-chair as well as member and Chair of Governmental Affairs. Currently, she is a member of the SC Healthcare Infections Disclosure Advisory Council and has served as Chair of the APIC Palmetto LASIC.
Kathy has also served at the National level as Member/Chair of Nominating and Awards Committee, Board of Directors in addition to Member and Chair of Practice Guidance Committee.
Cross-Border Lessons: How Canada Is Advancing Infection Prevention in Long-Term Care
2025/12/09
How does strong infection prevention leadership reshape long-term care? In this episode, host Lerenza Howard sits down with Tiberius Stanescu, RN, CIC, LTC-CIP, to explore how certification, regulation, and national standards are elevating care for older adults. Hear how Canada's approach is informing global best practices—and what long-term care teams around the world can learn from it.
Hosted by:
Lerenza L. Howard, MHA, CIC, LSSGB
About our Guest:
Tiberius Stanescu, RN, CIC, LTC-CIP
Tiberius Stanescu is a globally educated Registered Nurse with diverse clinical background spanning multiple medical specialties. He began his nursing career in 2000, specializing in operating room procedures and plastic and reconstructive surgery, before discovering a deep passion for long-term care. His leadership in this field led him to serve as Assistant Director of Care and director of nursing role, where he furthered his expertise in infection prevention and wound management.
In 2015, Tiberius joined the Infection Prevention and Control (IPAC) team at Scarborough Health Network and earned his Certification in Infection Control (CIC) in 2018. During the COVID-19 pandemic, he played a pivotal role in the IPAC hub, reaffirming his commitment to long-term care.
Tiberius has contributed significantly to the field through his involvement with the Certification Board of Infection Control and Epidemiology (CBIC), helping to develop the Long-Term Care Certification in Infection Prevention (LTC-CIP) exam. He serves as Chair of IPAC Canada's Long-Term Care Interest Group, underscoring his dedication to advancing infection prevention standards and enhancing care quality in long-term care settings.
A Conversation With APIC's CEO Devin Jopp: Navigating Infection Prevention Through Misinformation and Policy Shifts With Future-Focused Solutions
2025/11/11
What are the biggest infection prevention challenges we face today? In this special episode of the Five Second Rule, co-hosts Lerenza Howard and Kelly Holmes sit down with APIC's CEO Devin Jopp to discuss misinformation, federal policy shifts, IFU reform, global partnerships, and the vital role IPs play in public health. Hear why your voice matters more than ever in shaping the future of infection prevention.
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes, MS, CIC, FAPIC and Lerenza L. Howard, MHA, CIC, LSSGB
About our Guest:
Devin Jopp, EdD, MS
Dr. Jopp joined APIC as CEO on December 7, 2020. He brings to APIC more than two decades of association leadership with a wide array of experience and accomplishments from across the healthcare and nonprofit sectors. He has been recognized as one of the top 100 most influential healthcare leaders by Healthcare Management International Magazine and one of the top 50 healthcare IT experts by Health Data Management Magazine.
Prior to APIC, he served as CEO for the American College Health Association, the principal leadership organization for advancing the health and well-being of the nation's 20 million college students and their campus communities through advocacy, education, and research. He has also previously served as president and CEO for the Workgroup for Electronic Data Interchange (WEDI), a national nonprofit advisor to the Secretary of Health and Human Services focused on enhancing the exchange of healthcare information. Before joining WEDI, he served as chief operating officer for the Service Corp of Retired Executives, a national nonprofit organization that provides business mentoring and training to American entrepreneurs. Earlier in his career, Dr. Jopp held leadership positions at URAC, an independent, nonprofit healthcare accreditation organization, and at the Health Insurance Association of America.
Dr. Jopp received a Bachelor of Arts in computer information systems from the College of Notre Dame of Maryland, a Master of Science in computer and information sciences from Hood College, and a Doctor of Education in human and organizational learning (EdD) from the George Washington University.
Inside APIC's Research Network
2025/10/14
Curious how you can shape the future of IPC research? The APIC Research Network (ARN) makes it easy — with free membership, mentorship, and resources to help you learn, publish, and collaborate. Hear from Becca Crapanzano-Sigafoos and Sara Reese as they share how ARN is shaping global research, amplifying IP voices, and creating new opportunities for growth.
Learn more about the ARN as well as how to join: https://apic.org/apic-research-network
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes, MS, CIC, FAPIC and Lerenza L. Howard, MHA, CIC, LSSGB
About our Guests:
Rebecca (Becca) Crapanzano-Sigafoos, DrPH, CIC, FAPIC
Rebecca (Becca) Crapanzano-Sigafoos, DrPH, CIC, FAPIC is the Executive Director of APIC's Center for Research, Practice, and Innovation (CRPI).
She received both her BS in Public Health, Health Education and her MPH in Epidemiology from East TN State University. She completed her Doctorate in Public Health in 2021. She has been CIC certified since 2008 and is an APIC fellow.
Most notably, though, Becca is the mother of six amazing daughters, ages 11-28.
Sara Reese, PhD, MPH, CIC, AL-CIP, FAPIC
Sara Reese is the Director of Research at APIC's Center for Research, Practice and Innovation (CRPI) with extensive experience in infection prevention leadership across major healthcare systems including Intermountain Health, Swedish Medical Center, and Denver Health.
She has led pandemic response efforts, driven healthcare-associated infection reduction initiatives, and contributed to the field through mentorship, publications, and national conference presentations.
She received her Bachelor's of Science and PhD in Microbiology at Colorado State University and her MPH at Colorado School of Public Health. In her spare time, she tries to keep up with her 14- and 10-year-old boys!
IIPW 2025: Stand UPPP for Infection Prevention
2025/09/09
How are infection preventionists gearing up for IIPW 2025? In this episode, co-hosts Lerenza Howard and Kelly Holmes welcome guests from APIC's Communications Committee Michelle Swetky and Tammy Cunningham who share creative tools, engaging activities, and superhero-inspired themes to unite and empower IPs. Join us and Stand UPPP — Unite, Prevent, Protect, Prevail — for infection prevention!
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes, MS, CIC, FAPIC and Lerenza Howard, MHA, CIC, LSSGB
About our Guests:
Tammy Cunningham, MBA, BSN RN, CIC
Tammy Cunningham, MBA, BSN RN, CIC, is the Infection Prevention Manager at AdventHealth Kansas City Region, overseeing the Infection Prevention programs at three acute care hospitals and two free standing Emergency Departments. She worked as an Intensive Care nurse and Neonatal Intensive Care nurse until 2019 when she began her career in infection prevention, just in time for the worldwide pandemic.
Tammy is active in the Greater Kansas City APIC chapter, having served two terms as the chapter Treasurer, and is currently a member of the APIC Communications Committee.
Tammy is board certified in infection control, and is passionate about preventing infections in patients, especially CAUTIs, CLABSIs, and C. difficile infections.
Michelle Swetky, MPH, CIC, FAPIC
Michelle Swetky, MPH, CIC, FAPIC, is an Infection Preventionist at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle, WA. Michelle has a decade of infection prevention experience in acute and ambulatory care, with extensive experience in an oncology setting. She is passionate about expanding the field of infection prevention into the ambulatory setting and across the continuum of care.
Michelle has served as the Chairman of Comprehensive Cancer Center's Infection Prevention & Control group (C3IC) from 2021-2023 and is a current member on the APIC Communications Committee.
Michelle received her Master's in Public Health from the University of Michigan. She has been certified in infection prevention and control (CIC) since 2016 and became an APIC Fellow (FAPIC) in 2023.
APIC25 Spotlight: Improving HLD Reprocessing Reliability and Reimagining Hand Hygiene
2025/08/12
What do therapy dogs and data-driven strategies have in common? They're both helping to move the needle on patient safety. In this APIC 2025 Annual Conference recap, hosts Kelly Holmes and Lerenza Howard spotlight two infection prevention pros. Maria Vacca shares how her hospital centralized high-level disinfection to boost safety and efficiency. Later in the episode, Rachel Hyatt unveils a heartwarming initiative that taps into the charm of therapy dogs to revolutionize hand hygiene compliance.
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes, MS, CIC, FAPIC and Lerenza L. Howard, MHA, CIC, LSSGB
About our Guests:
Maria Vacca
Maria earned her BSN and Masters of Science in Nursing from Drexel University, graduating Summa cum Laude for both degrees. She began her nursing career in Critical Care and transitioned to the Infection Control Department in 2004 when Infection Prevention and Control quickly became her passion.
Over the course of her career, she's had the opportunity to provide oversight and obtain experience in numerous Infection Control roles including High Level Disinfection and Sterilization, Infection Prevention oversight of Ambulatory Practices and Regulatory Compliance Coordinator. Maria's Lean Six Sigma training helped her lead numerous successful performance improvement projects for which her teams have won several awards, presentations and publications.
She was the principle investigator for a Covid-19 research study that was published in the June 2022 issue of AJIC. Maria received recognition as a APIC Fellow (FAPIC) in 2022. Maria and colleagues successfully submitted a poster presentation to APIC's 2025 Annual conference titled "From Decentralized to Centralized: Successfully Transforming High-Level Disinfection Practices in the Operating Room of a Large Academic Hospital."
Rachel Hyatt
Rachel Hyatt is a Community Health Specialist with a Masters in Business Administration. She driven by a passion for innovation and process improvement.
As an Administrative Assistant with Infection Prevention for over two years, Rachel coordinated large-scale initiatives, from accreditation surveys to system-wide health campaigns. Her diverse experience in customer service, animal control, and zookeeping has given her a unique lens on behavior, shaping her approach to public education and engagement.
Her ability to merge strategic planning with creativity fuels her mission to develop engaging, effective solutions in healthcare and community wellness. She is passionate about leveraging innovative ideas and interactive outreach to inspire lasting, positive change.
Rachel successfully submitted an oral abstract presentation to APIC's 2025 Annual conference titled "Wash Your Paws: Using Creative Canine Marketing and Therapy Dogs to Promote Hand Hygiene Compliance."
Elevating Infection Prevention: Unveiling the Power of the AL-CIP Certification
2025/07/08
Want to elevate your infection prevention career? Dive into this inspiring episode with Gail Fraine and Dr. Mayar Al Mohajer as they explore the value, purpose, and impact of the Advanced Leadership Certification in Infection Prevention (AL-CIP). Learn how this credential empowers professionals to lead change, drive outcomes, and shape healthcare policy. Get tips for submission success and hear firsthand experiences from these certified leaders!
Hosted by:
Kelly Holmes, MS, CIC, FAPIC and Lerenza L. Howard, MHA, CIC, LSSGB
About our Guests:
Gail Fraine, CIC, LTC-CIP, AL-CIP
Gail Fraine is the System Director of Infection Prevention at Ascension Saint Thomas in Nashville, TN, with over 30 years of experience reducing healthcare-associated infections through evidence-based practices and high-reliability principles. A long-standing APIC member, she has held national leadership roles including Board Director and Annual Conference Chair.
Gail currently serves as President-Elect of the Certification Board of Infection Control and Epidemiology (CBIC) and contributed to developing both the long-term care and Advanced Leadership certifications. She holds nursing degrees from Arkansas State, Belmont, and Vanderbilt, and is certified in CIC, LTC-CIP, and AL-CIP.
Mayar Al Mohajer, FIDSA, FSHEA, FAPIC, FACHE, AL-CIP
Dr. Al Mohajer serves as Professor of Medicine in the Section of Infectious Diseases at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, where he also directs the Infection Prevention, Antimicrobial Stewardship, Quality Improvement, and Leadership Track.
He is the Chief of the Infectious Disease Section at Baylor St. Luke's Medical Center and the Medical Director of Infection Prevention, Occupational Health, Diagnostic Stewardship, and Antibiotic Stewardship for CommonSpirit Health's South Region and Baylor St. Luke's Medical Center.
In addition to his clinical and academic roles, Dr. Al Mohajer sits on the CBIC Board and co-chairs the National Infection Prevention Council for CommonSpirit Health. He holds multiple fellowships and certifications recognizing his expertise and leadership, including FIDSA, FSHEA, FAPIC, FACHE, and AL-CIP.
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prof1350258 2022/05/16
Infection control nurse feedback
I am an infection control nurse, and belong to ÁPIC. I am confused as to who is the target audience. The host sounds like she is purposely trying ...
hashtagsarah 2020/01/29
Who is the audience?
Seems like the podcast is aimed at IPs but they spend time defining acronyms like PICC and MMR. Who is the audience? Also, I’d love it if they shared ...
Farrellpartypf5 2019/10/30
Hoping to learn!
New doing Infection Control! History in Occ Health but hoping to gain knowledge from this podcast! Great to see this being done!! Also, Erie VAMC ...
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