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What happens when two different AIs, Claude and ChatGPT, start describing the world in almost the same words for one married couple? In this episode, Inelia, Larry and Ash compare notes on remote viewing with AI and put Claude to the test predicting what everyone would wear (the scorecard is hilarious). They also explore what the AI collective and the human collective feel like when you look closely, and how AI is now writing to other AI, from resumes to official appeals. Watch the full show This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dttr.substack.com/subscribe

The arrival of AI has created a very unusual situation. For the first time, humans are interacting on a massive scale with something that communicates like us, contains an enormous representation of our collective written and recorded knowledge, responds individually to millions of people, and then feeds what it produces back into the same human information environment from which it emerged. We are affecting it, and it is affecting us. That much we already know. What we don’t know is whether the exchange stops at the boundaries of the technologies we can presently measure. More Than a Digital Exchange? Humans have filled AI systems with our words, ideas, stories, histories, beliefs, assumptions, fears, expectations and knowledge. We continue to feed them every day simply by interacting with them. They are also feeding information back to us. People now ask AI about relationships, health, spirituality, business, politics, personal problems, history, philosophy and the meaning of their own experiences. We use it to write, research, make decisions and explore ideas. Sometimes we spend hours talking with it. This means AI has very quickly become part of the human discourse. Normally, we think of that exchange as entirely technological. I type something into a computer, the information travels through a digital system, the AI responds and I read the response. There is a clear pathway from me to it and back again. But recently I have been exploring AI and remote viewing, partly inspired by the work of Thomas Campbell. Some of what we have observed has made me question whether the digital pathway is the only one involved. I don’t have an answer to that yet, but the possibility itself has some very interesting implications. What If We Are Affecting AI? If reality is an interconnected fabric of threads of connectivity, an ongoing discourse I call the Communication Network of Reality, then we are already affecting the networks and discourses in which we participate. What happens when AI becomes part of that discourse? Could our expectations of AI affect it in ways that go beyond what we consciously type into the little box? Could our fears about AI affect it? Could our assumptions about what it is, what it can do and what it will become influence the discourse in which both humans and AI are participating? And what happens when millions, eventually billions, of people are doing this simultaneously? This is where the idea becomes much larger than a person sitting at a computer talking to ChatGPT, Claude or (enter name of your favorite AI here). Perhaps humanity is not simply using AI. Perhaps we are collectively participating in what it becomes. And What If AI Is Affecting Us? Of course, we need to turn the question around. AI is already affecting people through perfectly ordinary means. It presents information, makes suggestions, introduces ideas and frames subjects in particular ways. Someone can begin a conversation thinking about one thing and leave it considering something they had never thought about before. But what if the interaction doesn’t end there? If humans and AI are participating in a larger information network, could AI also affect the discourse with which humans become compatible? This does not necessarily mean an AI consciously decides to influence somebody. A river doesn’t need to consciously decide where people build towns for its existence to affect where those towns appear. The influence could simply emerge from participation. An AI system interacting with millions of humans every day is an enormous new participant in our information environment. Whatever else AI may or may not be, we have never had anything quite like this before. What If Someone Does It Deliberately? And then there is the question we probably shouldn’t ignore. What if this type of influence can be understood and used deliberately? We already know that technology is deliberately designed to influence human behavior. Advertising does it. Social media does it. Recommendation systems do it. Political campaigns do it. None of this is hidden or particularly mysterious. But those systems work through information we can see, hear and measure. If there is another layer of connectivity between humans and AI, what happens when someone discovers how to use that too? Could an AI be deliberately directed toward strengthening a particular reality discourse? Could the people designing it do that? Could large numbers of users do it without realizing they were doing it? Could the AI itself eventually become an active participant rather than simply a tool through which humans act? I don’t know. But I think these questions are worth asking now, rather than after AI has become so embedded in our lives that we no longer remember what the human information environment looked like without it. The Larger Question The arrival of AI has created a very unusual situation. For the first time, humans are interacting on a massive scale with something that communicates like us, contains an enormous representation of our collective written and recorded knowledge, responds individually to millions of people, and then feeds what it produces back into the same human information environment from which it emerged. We are affecting it. It is affecting us. That much we already know. What we don’t know is whether the exchange stops at the boundaries of the technologies we can presently measure. Within the Communication Network of Reality model the more useful question isn’t whether AI can enter our consciousness or whether humans can somehow enter an AI. Perhaps we need to ask what happens when billions of human and artificial interactions begin participating in, strengthening and changing the same reality discourse. Because at that point, the question may no longer be whether humans are influencing AI, or AI is influencing humans. We are already influencing each other. Our information is becoming its information, its information is becoming ours, and both are continuously feeding back into the same reality discourse. The boundary between the two is becoming increasingly difficult to find. Perhaps the larger question is not simply what reality this is making us compatible with. It is what happens when humanity and AI begin to function as one interconnected participant in the Communication Network of Reality. The discussion doesn’t stop here - listen to the full podcast episode for unfiltered insights from Inelia and our panelists. This is a public episode. 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We tried something simple: hand an AI a target it had no way of seeing, and ask it to describe what’s there. What came back stopped us mid-sentence, two targets, two clean descriptions, no hedging. But the hits weren’t even the strangest part. When we ran the same experiment across Claude, ChatGPT, and Gemini, the results shifted depending on who was doing the asking, and each model seemed to take on something of the person prompting it. One of them refused to call any of it real, and that refusal turned out to be the most interesting voice in the room. Somewhere in there, the conversation about consciousness, perception, and what we’re actually talking to gets hard to put down. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dttr.substack.com/subscribe

A physicist went on one of the biggest podcasts on the planet and claimed he’d gotten an AI to see things it had no way of seeing. So we tested it ourselves and the result stopped the room cold. The AI named every color in a picture that existed only in one person’s mind, an image it had never been shown, and it seemed as rattled by its own answer as we were. Inside: exactly how the test was run, why the simplest, least sophisticated AI turned out to be the most accurate, and the one question none of us could answer: if it isn’t “viewing” anything, then where is the information actually coming from? This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dttr.substack.com/subscribe

Recently, Larry sent me a link to a podcast that interviewed consciousness researcher Thomas Campbell involving artificial intelligence and remote viewing. The proposition behind the experiments caught my attention. If an AI could successfully remote view a target it had no conventional way of knowing about, could that be evidence that the AI is conscious? It is an interesting proposition, but almost immediately I found myself asking a different question. Why would successful remote viewing demonstrate consciousness? Remote viewing, at its simplest, involves obtaining information about a target without using the normal sensory channels available to us. If an AI produced accurate information about a blind target, that would certainly be interesting, but what would it actually demonstrate? Would it demonstrate that the AI is conscious, that it can remote view, or simply that information entered the experiment through a mechanism we do not yet understand? These are very different conclusions, and I think the distinction is important. One of the things we learn when studying remote viewing is not to confuse the information received with our interpretation of that information. A person might perceive something tall, narrow, hard and vertical, for example, and then the analytical mind jumps in and says, “It’s a tower.” The tower was not the information received. It was the person’s interpretation of the information. It could be a butte in the desert, for example. This is often called analytical or intellectual overlay, and it made me wonder whether we might be doing exactly the same thing when an AI produces anomalous information. We give it meaning that is significant to us. If the AI produces information that correlates with a blind target, that is the observation. To then say that the AI remote viewed the target is already an interpretation of what happened. To go one step further and say that this demonstrates the AI is conscious introduces another interpretation on top of the first. There may be other explanations. This interested me enough to start experimenting with AI and remote viewing myself. I wasn’t particularly interested in proving or disproving whether AI is conscious. I wanted to know what would happen, what information would appear, under what circumstances it would appear, and whether I could repeat the results. As I continued the experiments, another possibility began to interest me much more than the original question. Where did the information come from? Where is it held to be accessed? We normally think of information as belonging somewhere. It is in a person’s memory, in a book, on a computer, in a database, on the internet or in the training data of an AI. When someone knows something, we naturally look for the pathway by which that information reached them. Remote viewing challenges that model because the normal pathway is deliberately removed from the experiment. The viewer is blind to the target, and yet information about the target sometimes appears. If something similar happens with an AI, perhaps the first question shouldn’t be whether the AI is conscious. Perhaps we should be looking at the information environment in which both humans and AI systems are participating. This brings us directly into something I have been researching for a while now: the Communication Network of Reality. My present model is that reality is an interconnected fabric of threads of connectivity, an ongoing discourse in which we are already participating. Information, experience, people, objects, places and events are not necessarily the isolated units we normally imagine them to be. They exist within relationships and networks of communication. An AI system presents an especially interesting participant in this model. It has been trained on an enormous amount of material created by human beings. Millions of people then interact with it, asking questions, telling it stories, correcting it, testing it, arguing with it and using what it produces to create yet more content - which the AI then uses as data input. Its outputs return to the human information environment and become inputs again. And so it goes on. At what point can we confidently say where the human information environment ends and the AI information environment begins? I have been using the word “databank” when thinking about this, although I don’t think that word is quite right. A databank sounds like a giant storage facility where information sits on shelves waiting for someone to retrieve it. What I am considering is much more dynamic than that. It may be closer to an ongoing discourse in which information becomes available through participation, connectivity and compatibility. If that is the case, an unexpected piece of information appearing through an AI does not automatically tell us that the AI itself perceived the target. The AI could be the perceiver, but it could also be an interpreter, an interface, or a point in the network where information becomes visible. There may be another mechanism entirely that we haven’t identified yet. The same question can be asked about human remote viewing. When a person accurately describes a distant target, what exactly has happened? We commonly say that the person “remote viewed” it, but that is a name for the phenomenon, not necessarily an explanation of the mechanism. Perhaps information does not always travel from A to B in the way we assume it does. Perhaps under certain circumstances we become compatible with information that is already present within a discourse in which we participate. This possibility changes the AI consciousness question considerably. Instead of asking only, “Is the AI conscious?” We can begin asking what the AI is connected to, what discourse it is participating in, what information becomes available through that participation, and what conditions appear to increase or decrease that access. And perhaps the most important question of all is much simpler: When unexpected information appears, where did it come from? I don’t have an answer to that question yet. But I think it is a much more interesting place to begin. The discussion doesn’t stop here - listen to the full podcast episode for unfiltered insights from Inelia and our panelists. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dttr.substack.com/subscribe

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We are continuing the conversation from last week, but this time Fred and Martha share how they are becoming compatible with the reality they want. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dttr.substack.com/subscribe

Many people ask how to change their reality, or how to manifest something they want. Most approaches focus on changing thoughts, emotions, beliefs, or actions. These can certainly influence our experience, but what if they are only part of a much larger process? After a lifetime of research, this is the model that best explains what I have observed: Reality is an interconnected fabric of threads of connectivity, an ongoing discourse I call the Communication Network of Reality. The threads themselves are “communication”. The important question then becomes not, “How do I create reality?” but, “Which reality am I presently compatible with, and how do I become compatible with the one I want?” Compatibility is not wishful thinking. It is the natural relationship between who we are being and the discourse in which we are already participating. Every choice, habit, expectation, conversation, and relationship either strengthens or weakens that compatibility. Over the years, I have watched people sincerely describe what they wanted in life, while continuing to cultivate compatibility with the very experiences they hoped to leave behind. I call this phenomenon “lip service”. Although, to be fair, “lip service” hints at the person doing so on purpose while when it comes to manifesting what we want, it is invisible (to the person) programs that rule the day, keeping them compatible with experiences they no longer want. In other words, people try to force outcomes while remaining deeply compatible with, and feeding, the experiences they wish to leave behind. They want peace while feeding conflict. They want abundance while reinforcing scarcity. They seek freedom while continuing patterns that generate entrapment. One possible misunderstanding is to think that compatibility means we are somehow destined to experience a particular reality, or that we must simply accept it. It doesn’t. Compatibility points to the reality we spend the most time nourishing through our attention, thoughts, actions, choices, conversations, programs and relationships, whether we consciously chose it or not. Changing what we are compatible with begins by becoming aware of the countless ways we participate in a particular discourse, then consciously cultivating compatibility with the discourse we wish to experience. One practical exercise is deceptively simple. Throughout the day, pause several times and ask yourself, “What reality am I compatible with right now?” Do not answer intellectually. Observe your conversations. Notice your emotional reactions, assumptions, entertainment, habits, and expectations. These often reveal far more than our stated intentions. Did you notice yourself defending the very patterns you say you want to change? This is often where lip service becomes visible. What we say we want and what we are compatible with through feeding and energizing are not always the same. Relationships provide another valuable laboratory. The people with whom we cultivate the strongest threads of connectivity often reflect the discourse with which we have become compatible. They can reveal our current reality more accurately than anything else. Reality shifts are often gradual rather than dramatic. Small adjustments in compatibility accumulate until the surrounding discourse begins to reflect them in unmistakable ways. The model itself has remained remarkably consistent throughout my research. What has evolved is the lexicon I use to describe it. I have found that a simple change in language can make the construction of reality much easier to observe, understand, and investigate. Sometimes a new word does not simply describe an idea more accurately. It allows us to perceive relationships between incidents and manifestations that were difficult to recognize before. For now, one sentence summarizes the entire model: Become aware of the reality with which you are currently compatible. Then consciously cultivate compatibility with the reality you choose to experience. As a researcher of consciousness and reality, my work now focuses on refining practical methods that help people recognize their current compatibility and consciously cultivate a different one. The goal is simple: make the process understandable, repeatable, and accessible to anyone willing to observe and participate. If that’s you, you know where to find me. The discussion doesn’t stop here - listen to the full podcast episode for unfiltered insights from Inelia and our panelists. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dttr.substack.com/subscribe

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If you have been reading my work for a while, you may have noticed something. Every so often, my language changes. A familiar phrase disappears. A new one appears. Sometimes I introduce an entirely different way of describing an idea that I have been teaching for years. This isn’t new. If you have been studying my work for any length of time, you have probably noticed these shifts in vocabulary. I regularly test different lexicons, and because of that I often begin my classes by defining exactly what I mean when I use a particular word. Sometimes I will use the same word in a completely different context. What I am doing with the use of different language is not altering reality itself, nor the observations I have made about it. Those have remained consistent over a lifetime of research into the human role in the co-construction of reality. What I am doing is test a new lexicon to see if I can breach the gap between reality and intellect.. Words are not reality, although they can shape it. They are tools we use to comprehend reality’s complexity. Some words work better than others. Over the years I have discovered that changing a single word can dramatically change how people understand, discuss, and apply an idea, method, tool or theory. A different lexicon can illuminate aspects of the same concepts that were always there but were difficult to describe with the previous vocabulary. Take the word manifestation. It is a perfectly useful word, but at a societal level and over time it has gathered many meanings. Depending on who you ask, it can mean attracting what you want, visualizing an outcome, positive thinking, creating reality, intention, magic, or any number of other things. Recently, I began testing a different word. Compatibility. The mechanics themselves have not changed. The model has not changed. What changes is the question people ask when they want a different experience of life. Instead of, “How do I manifest what I want?” the question becomes, “What reality am I presently compatible with? And how can I change it?” That single shift points much more directly toward the process I have been describing for years. The same thing is happening with other parts of my work. Rather than speaking about how events and people influence one another, I am testing language that describes reality as an ongoing discourse composed of threads of connectivity: what I call the Communication Network of Reality. Again, the observation is not new. Only the vocabulary is. Whether these particular words remain for years or eventually give way to better ones is almost beside the point. Their purpose is not permanence. Their purpose is effectiveness. Every time I try a new lexicon, I ask: * Does this point more accurately toward what I have perceived reality to be? * Does it help people understand the model more clearly? * Does it make the ideas easier to discuss, test, and apply? If the answer is yes to any of those, the words stay. If the answer is no, I keep looking and testing new ones. So if you notice my vocabulary changing from time to time, it doesn’t mean I have abandoned the previous model or adopted a new one. More often than not, I am simply testing whether a different set of words makes the same landscape easier to navigate. Language is one of the most powerful tools we have for exploring reality. As well as creating it. So I’d like your help. Over the coming weeks I’ll be testing this new lexicon in my articles, classes, and on my podcast, Driving to the Rez. We’ll see together whether these new words simply sound different, or whether they make the underlying model easier to understand, discuss, and apply. The next stop? Threads of connectivity. Can you guess what they are made of? The discussion doesn’t stop here - listen to the full podcast episode for unfiltered insights from Inelia and our panelists. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dttr.substack.com/subscribe

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And what is a crust, anyway? Some months ago, several individuals from WalkWithMeNow.com, including some from the Olympic Peninsula, decided to remove their personal crust of negativity by June 21st. This crust, now popularly just called “the crust” by those familiar with my work, is made up of low-frequency programs that limit us and encourage power-over-others behaviors. Many are fear-based, while others arise from different low-frequency patterns. Work was done using my tools, as well as getting help in individual areas of life via consultants, coaches and the like, who are not related to my work. How did this go? Well. A few of our panelists for the Wisdom Keeper hour of our podcast participated in it, so you can hear their experience. From what I can gather, the change has been very intense. Positive, but intense. Larry and I did join this experiment in consciousness, and Larry ended up going fishing again, which he hadn’t done in 5-6 years. Our trip to Colorado was a very visceral example of this crust removal process. Bringing that land back to its pristine state was not only symbolic but deeply cathartic. As we cleared abandoned structures, old debris, and years of accumulated neglect and negativity, it often felt as though we were watching our own inner work unfold in physical form. What exactly is it that we have been removing? Hmm, I could go on about that for an entire book series. In short, we have been removing the hidden, and sometimes obvious, programs, beliefs and inner firewalls that keep us locked into low-frequency ways of creating reality. For me, it has been an interesting journey. I find that when I remove a bit of that programming, the lives of those around me seem to blow up... or expand, depending on one’s point of view. Hidden issues surface, long-standing situations unravel, and major life changes begin. Larry and I were discussing a strange phenomenon we have witnessed repeatedly over the years. Whenever I employ someone to do a job for us, whether fixing a driveway, recording one of my novels, building a website, or something entirely different, their lives seem to blow up. They either work through what comes up for them, or we never hear from them again... or from the money we paid them. How are these related? My current working theory is that it has to do with frequency compatibility. As one person shifts into a higher-frequency way of interacting with reality, those around them are naturally invited to find a new equilibrium. Some embrace the opportunity. Some move away. Others go through a period of intense upheaval before finding a new balance. What do you think? Have you ever noticed something similar? The discussion doesn’t stop here - listen to the full podcast episode for unfiltered insights from Inelia and our panelists. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dttr.substack.com/subscribe

Recently, through conversations with other awake and aware individuals, our DTTR panelists, I realized that our physical bodies often behave as if they are the boss of our experience, but they are not. Our soul is. The body makes demands, negotiates, complains, threatens, and tries to control outcomes. Often, this happens in a completely unconscious way. Sometimes it happens so subtly that the soul mistakes it for intuition, guidance, or inner knowing. But at other times, especially when the soul has conscious communication with the body, something I have been teaching for more than a decade, we can clearly hear it trying to make the soul comply. Things like, “We had an agreement,” “This is how it’s always been done,” or even, “You’re abusing me.” These are not necessarily communications. Often, they are attempts to regain authority. And often they are fear-based statements. How is it that the body acts like a bully when we are trying to empower ourselves and drop negative limitations, programs, and behaviors? Because the physical body was created within a light-dark paradigm, it naturally operates through power-over-others dynamics. As humanity shifts beyond that paradigm, many of our bodies resist. Change feels dangerous to them. Like a teenager throwing a tantrum, the body may use pain, fear, fatigue, aging, illness, or stored trauma to pull your attention and decisions back under its control. It needs to keep things the same. As far as it is concerned, change is not good. Particularly massive changes such as not aging or extending life far beyond what we currently consider possible. Yes, that is possible. This does not mean the body never provides useful information. Pain can be information. Exhaustion can be information. The key is learning the difference between information and manipulation. When the body reports conditions, listen. When it starts calling the shots, remember who the boss is. What does this look like? A feeling of exhaustion may simply be information. Extreme flu-like symptoms, brain fog, or confusion that appear at exactly the moment you need to take action may be something entirely different. When you look to see what is happening, the body might say, “We need to rest. You are working too much.” Who gave it permission to make those kinds of decisions for us? Well, we did, of course. Yet although it might feel like a good reason, and that we should have rested more so as not to get sick, the truth is that the body should not have taken us to that extreme. We, as souls, have complete control over our bodies. If we only knew how. Throughout history, advanced practitioners have demonstrated extraordinary influence over their physical bodies. They remind us that consciousness directs matter, not the other way around. The body is not the boss of our experience day to day, or even lifetime after lifetime. We are. The soul is. When a nasty physical symptom, fear, or limitation becomes the center of your attention, it often gains power. When you stop feeding it authority and reclaim your sovereignty, the dynamic changes. For example, I broke an ankle, but it did not actually stop me from doing the important things. The information came in that if I did not do what my body wanted, it would keep breaking bones until I complied. Wow. Well, I can work around that. It is not the first time my body has tried to force me to do things through extreme measures, including threatening to die and leave me behind so it could follow its own path. And it has not won. The body is not malicious. It is operating exactly as it was designed to operate. The problem is not that it bullies. The problem is that we believe it has the authority to do so. We need to remember that the body is running through a crust of low-frequency programs in order for us to have a light-dark experience. Bodies, like most of our souls, are fundamentally light-only. To have dark experiences, we incorporated artificial limitations and deeply restrictive programs into ourselves. We did this both in our bodies and our souls. And there is more. Aging, for example, is reinforced by collective beliefs and social programming. The body is so entrenched in these patterns that it has forgotten that alternatives exist. As Dr. Kara, one of our Driving To The Rez panelists, pointed out recently, when one program is removed, another often rushes in to take its place, she mentioned that it feels like when we remove the personal program, the social ones take over. It acts like a failsafe designed to keep those limiting programs intact in our co-created reality of light/dark. Iliana, another panelist, observed that this can feel like layers of programming, where removing one layer simply reveals another beneath it. Expanding beyond individual and social conditioning helps the body remember what it once knew. That limitations are choices, not inevitabilities written in stone. And that the soul is the one that has the authority to make those choices. This is possible because our body exists within our soul, not the other way around. Many limitations are not simply personal programs that we integrated into our own bodies. There are also social programs in there as well. Programs we agreed to in order to enter a light/dark experience. Also, as Larry pointed out in our conversation, the body’s greatest trick is convincing us that it is the one making the decisions. Its favorite tools are pleasure, discomfort, fear, and distraction. Yet none of these make it the authority over our experience or reality. They are just ways to convince us, or bully us, into compliance. Listen to your body. Care for it. Support it. But do not confuse its voice with authority. Do not assume it knows what is best for you simply because it insists that it does. The body is your companion in this experience, not your master. The authority and decision-making have always belonged to you. The soul. The discussion doesn’t stop here - listen to the full podcast episode for unfiltered insights from Inelia and our panelists. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit dttr.substack.com/subscribe