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“Live is always going to be great. Human connection is the only thing that will differentiate AI from people and from artists. And that is, I think, going to be the key lever that artists have left. So in the same way as you might go and buy a handmade coffee cup for $20 from an artisan stall when you can buy one for a dollar in Walmart, music will still hold great value.” – David Courtier-Dutton This episode is the second half of my conversation with the founder and CEO of SoundOut, David Courtier-Dutton, as we discuss the catch-22 financial companies can face when it comes to making a sonic impression, how some companies are reaching old and new customers alike by reviving the radio jingles of years past, and the role of audio branding in an increasingly AI-driven world. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Surprising Trends in Sonic Branding The second half of our conversation starts as David shares more of SoundOut’s discoveries about the effectiveness of branding, including why Visa and Mastercard’s sonic logos haven’t made the impact they’d hoped. “Listening to their sonic logo in isolation with no brand association,” David explains, “20% and 31% respectively said, yeah, we know the brand. But not one person out of those 400 across the two brands could actually write the brand name when asked what the brand was.” We talk about the old radio jingles and how some companies are finding success in reviving them for a new generation. “Both Maybelline and Pillsbury,” he tells us, “are sort of historic logos that were retired for a long time, and you just cannot underestimate the power of bringing back an old, beloved sonic logo… I wouldn’t say it’s an easy win, but it is, because those neural pathways are absolutely locked in.” (8:45) – The Role of AI in Music and Marketing David and I talk about the elephant in the room, AI and its impact on marketing, and the shift he’s seen over the past year. “Up until about six months ago,” he observes, “we were seeing very little of it. There are some obvious concerns around legalities … brands won’t want to use music created by AI in case it is actually breaching copyright. [But[ that will get sorted in the next six months or so, I think.” He shares his thoughts on how search processes are being increasingly handled by AI, and how audio can help brands stand out from the crowd. “The brand will go nowhere near the consumer,” he tells us. “So anything that you can do to make your brand more distinctive when you are advertising online and through music, anything to make a brand more prominent, can only help.” (20:30) – The Power of Authenticity in Branding As our discussion comes to a close, David elaborates on his observation that AI is increasingly talking to itself rather than users. “We’re basically talking agents talking to agents,” he explains, “so AI agents talking to AI agents… I would imagine within 12 months it’ll become quite a big thing. And within three years, it’ll be everywhere. Everywhere.” We talk about the role human creativity might still play in a marketplace driven by AI, and one advantage musicians still have over machine-generated content. “It can feign emotion,” he says, “but you’ll never move an AI with a song because it doesn’t do emotion, and it literally, it never will… Emotion and empathy are all that we have as humans to distinguish ourselves from machines. And so music will… music will survive forever.” Episode Summary The challenges and surprising innovations in building a distinctive audio brand.How AI audio content has already begun to reshape the digital landscape.David shares his insights on what the growth of AI means for human artists. 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“When you hand it to the composer in sonic branding, at that point, it becomes an art, because the job of the composer, of course, is to translate those desired emotions into music. And it’s not [the] music that the composer feels, it is what it makes the audience feel when they hear it, and that is almost pure art. We have done some science around it, and we know what might help in terms of instrumentation and timbre and pitch and all that sort of stuff, but, at the bottom line, the sonic logo is only going to be as good as the composer. They are the most important person in a sonic branding project, bar none.” – David Courtier-Dutton This episode’s guest is the founder and CEO of SoundOut, and he’s on a mission to prove that sound isn’t just art – it’s strategy. From building the world’s largest music testing platform to decoding how sonic logos tap straight into our memory and emotions, he’s turned the science of sound into a tool that brands can’t ignore, and he’s worked with such brands as Amazon, TikTok, Netflix, Sky, and Target to help optimize their sonic branding and marketing. His name is David Courtier-Dutton, and we’ll be talking about what makes audio unforgettable, how data reveals our hidden reactions to music, and where the future of audio branding might be headed. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – David’s Earliest Memories of Sound Our discussion starts off with a pivotal moment in David’s childhood, and in the years that followed, that taught him the power of sound. “It seared that moment in my brain,” he says, recalling George Harrison’s song “Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth), “of all the very few memories you have when you’re six, seven years old. It just stuck with me. And I lost the song for probably about thirty years or so. And then when I heard it again, I was straight back in that little car, absolutely transfixed by the radio at that point.” We talk about his journey from corporate law to sonic branding, and how it coincided with the dramatic changes that MySpace and social media brought to the music industry. “The industry appeared to be facing existential moments,” David recalls. “So I thought, ‘well, wouldn’t it be great, if the industry is going to go away and fans can connect with the bands, why don’t we create a business that enables the fans to invest in the bands themselves and actually finance them?” (15:00) – Understanding the Role of Sonic Branding David shares his observations on audio branding and the mistakes that can derail an agency’s search for the right sonic logo. “They get really attached to the sounds,” he explains, “and they start reading things into the options and the logos that perhaps don’t exist. They forget that this sonic logo will just be pinged out across the airwaves and listened to fleetingly by consumers, and you can really overthink it.” He tells us about SoundOut’s pioneering brand study, its methodology, and what it’s revealed so far about successful sonic branding. “From that historic data,” he says, “the key data point was that if you have your [brand] name in your sonic logo, then people were twice as likely to attribute it to the brand as if it wasn’t in. So that’s powerful. That’s a good argument for putting the name in.” (23:00) – Insights from the SoundOut Index As the first half of our conversation wraps up, David offers more insights from the SoudOut study and what they tell us about successful sonic branding. “If you’ve got three seconds or two seconds to create a logo,” he notes, “you’re not going to create something that has a hook as strong as Katy Perry or whatever it may be. It’s always going to be a short snippet of a melody.” We discuss the surprising gap the index revealed between what consumers think they know and what they actually know when it comes to brand recognition, and the advantage sound has over other, more traditional marketing. “People can’t block their ears,” David tells us. “They can look away, they can be doing something else at the same time, but you can’t close off your ears [or] your ability to listen and for those connections to be made. So it’s a very subversive way of marketing, but highly effective.” Episode Summary David shares his journey from a London law firm to music and marketing.How traditional branding can lead agencies astray when it comes to sonic logos.David discusses SoundOut’s five-year study of audio branding and recognition. Tune in for next week’s episode as we talk about the unique audio branding challenge companies like Visa and Mastercard face, what role human creatives might play in a market that’s increasingly giving way to AI, and how audio branding can help companies rise above the algorithmic noise. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) 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One topic that comes up quite often on Audio Branding is audio technology, and how far it’s come over just the last few years. Whether it’s choosing the right sound equipment, deciding if you should record with noise cancellation turned on (and just for the record, you shouldn’t), or taking advantage of advanced recording options like 3-D audio and Dolby Atmos, there’s a lot to consider when it comes to sound. But you might be surprised to learn that the science of sound optimization is a lot older than surround sound, or stereo recordings, or even audio recordings at all. Sound has been a part of our lives for as long as we’ve been around, and it turns out that we’ve been finding ways to boost sound quality and reshape the acoustic landscape around us for just as long. From ancient Roman amplifiers to prehistoric boulder harmonies, our ancestors explored the possibilities of sound in ways that scientists today are still trying to understand. Creating just the right sound experience can be a big enough challenge for modern-day concerts and movie theaters. How do you do it when you don’t have any microphones or speakers? This was the problem faced by Greek and Roman architects, and the science of archaeoacoustics, of how sound was shaped and used in ancient times, hasn’t entirely unraveled their solution. According to the ancient Roman architect Vitruvius, they used “acoustic jars,” or “echea” in Greek, small brass cups built into the walls between each of the seats. He didn’t invent them, though, so we aren’t sure who originally came up with the idea. These echea were believed to resonate and amplify spoken voices, boosting their sound for each listener like a set of personal speakers. They were arranged according to precise mathematical rules that differed depending on the theater’s dimensions. Did they really work? They must have worked well enough, since they were popular not only during antiquity but also in medieval times, with over a hundred cathedrals in France alone putting them to use. But research continues on just how they worked as well as they did. Some studies suggest that they didn’t actually amplify sound, but instead absorbed some of the surrounding frequencies to muffle the background noise: the world’s first noise-cancellation technology, more than two thousand years before headphones. But a 2011 presentation at the Acoustics of Ancient Theatres conference suggested that maybe their resonance effect did amplify sound. The verdict’s still out. If you’d like to hear an echea’s resonance for yourself, here’s a clip of a sound sculpture by Michele Spranghero that puts one to haunting use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb57mGHy4OE Rome wasn’t the only ancient civilization to take advantage of sonic resonance. More than a thousand years earlier, and several thousand miles away, lies the Peruvian archaeological site of Chavín de Huántar, once the capital city of the Chavin civilization. Its temples, plazas, and surviving buildings have been studied for many decades, and lately that research has helped uncover the role that sound and harmonic frequencies played in its religious ceremonies. One artifact that’s been consistently found there is the pututu, a wind instrument that’s also known as a conch trumpet since it’s made from the shell of a conch. This may be a little surprising since the ocean’s well over a hundred miles away, but there might be a surprising reason why so many ancient conch trumpets have been recovered from the Chavin temples. A research team from the Acoustical Society of America, accompanied by Stanford researcher Dr. Chris Chafe, investigated the acoustical properties of their chambers and discovered that they’re designed to resonate with the pututu’s distinctively warbling frequencies, not only amplifying them but pulling two or more pututu players into a musical harmony that’s felt as much as it’s heard. This effect can be experienced elsewhere – it comes from the rhythmic “beats” that emerge from its natural interference patterns – but it’s stronger inside the buildings. Some researchers have suggested this resonant harmony was a key part of the city’s religious ceremonies and that the temple’s soundscape was intended to create a profound experience for the musicians and their audience. If you’re curious about what a pututu sounds like, here’s a short clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5PkUXBo4NI There are plenty of soundscapes and resonant frequencies all around us, of course, and one of our earliest encounters with them might have been as simple as tripping over a rock. They’re called ringing rocks, or singing stones or sonorous rocks, and their discovery by prehistoric tribes all over the world led to one of the first musical instruments ever made, the rock gong or stone chimes. Ringing rocks are volcanic rocks, such as dolerite or basalt, and even though they aren’t made of metal and they aren’t hollow, they ring like bells when they’re struck. Groups of singing stones can be found throughout the world, from Ringing Rock Park in Pennsylvania and the Bell Rock Range of Australia to sonorous stone fields in Africa and Europe, and the science behind their sound isn’t as simple as you might think. According to a 1965 study by geologist Richard Faas, the rocks actually create a series of inaudibly low, or infrasonic, audio frequencies, but those overlapping frequencies constructively interfere with each other to create sounds that our ears can detect. But where do those low frequencies come from in the first place? Science is still working on that mystery, and some theories suggest it has to do with the rock’s structural tension, making it a kind of stone guitar string that vibrates with a hard tap. And if that isn’t mysterious enough, the Singing Stones of Brittany clearly didn’t come from the place they’re found today, but no one knows when or how they arrived. Did ancient people recognize their acoustic properties and relocate them as oversized musical instruments? Or were the stones, as legend has it, left there by the Devil? Check out this clip of a visitor at Ringing Rocks Park in Pennsylvania using six singing stones, each with its own distinctive note, to play a familiar melody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKtkbH6ANyk Sound has connected us to each other and the world around us since the dawn of time, and we’ve been discovering new ways to harness its power for just as long. As we move into the future, learning those lessons could help us reshape the way we experience it in the years to come. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“I give them a lot of credit because they use that so frequently, and that’s why they have so much success. I mean, it is an iconic melody in and of itself, but it’s that repetition and that usage, you know, whereas I feel like a lot of sound logo projects that come in, we’ll get to the finish line and they’ll be excited to use it, and then a month or two later, they’ll be like, ‘We’re not seeing quite the results that we’d hoped.’ It’s like, A, you’re not going to see it after a month, and B, you’ve got to use it consistently, you know, and potentially in multiple places. State Farm does it right.” – Connor Moore This episode is the second half of my conversation with founder and creative director of CMoore Sound, Connor Moore, as we talk about where AI voices might be taking sound design, how he became a juror at the International Sound Awards, and how sonic logos are making a comeback. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Current Trends in Sound Design The second half of our discussion starts as Connor talks about neural voices, the latest breakthrough in AI voice clones, and how popular they’re becoming with clients. “It’s a very interesting space,” he says, “having a customized brain and voice that can constantly adapt, you know, and so we’re seeing a lot more of that come through.” He talks about his work on Google Glass and how he might approach its UX design differently in today’s world, and how he helped reshape the famous State Farm sonic logo. “’Here’s a simple tweak at a foundational level,’” he recalls saying, “’Take away the square wave and use a sine wave at a base level.’ And they were like, ‘Oh.’ And we’re already 65% there.” (10:47) – The Importance of Simplicity We discuss his work with the International Sound Awards and the insights he’s gained from seeing nominees from all over the world. “Most of the work I’ve reviewed in the last four years has been more kind of traditional sonic branding,” he tells us. “It’s just great to be a part of that community and to hear all the cool work coming, because it’s at a global scale.” He talks about the resurgence of sound logos in today’s market, and the lesson to be learned from State Farm’s branding success. “The iconic nature of that example is the melody,” he says, “the melody that’s been around for so long. But I think that what I would say is just, you know, use it lightly. Be careful with overusing it.” (24:47) – The Future of Sonic Branding Our conversation wraps up with what he’s working on now, and the trends he’s seeing in branding and audio UX design. “Industries that you might not expect,” Connor explains, “old school industries that are becoming more tech focused, for example... which I think is interesting, because I think sound as a technology [is] starting to touch industries of old that are modernizing.” He tells listeners how they can get in touch, and shares his perspective as someone on the forefront of sonic branding. “I’m working on very emerging technologies,” he says. “I’m working on older industry segments that are stepping into new technology, I’m working in automotive... it’s a good balance that keeps me engaged.” Episode Summary Our discussion on the rise of wearable technology and voice-driven experiences.Exploring how simplicity impacts sound design and brand perception.Connor’s predictions on the evolution of audio branding and its applications. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“Too much sound complicates things, it confuses things, and it causes annoyance and fatigue, too much brain power needed. Too much cognitive load, and it’s a known fact. So oftentimes companies will come to me and say, ‘Hey, we have, you know, sixty sounds we want to create.’ And I go, ‘Okay, cool. Let’s take a look at the list. Let me understand your product a little better and let’s try to find ways to strip it back.’ Because, you know, that can be very overwhelming for users.” – Connor Moore This episode’s guest is a leading expert in audio UX and audio branding. As the founder of CMoore Sound, he’s shaped how major brands like Google, Uber, Peloton, and Airbnb use sound to enhance their products and connect with audiences. Over the past fifteen years, he’s helped define how sound influences everything from brand identity to user experience, and he’s been featured in The New Yorker, NPR, and Google’s Design series. He’s also a fellow judge for the International Sound Awards, which is how we met. His name is Connor Moore and his work shows how sound isn’t just decoration, it’s a powerful tool that shapes how we feel, navigate, and interact with the world. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Connor’s Audio Eureka Moment Our conversation starts with Connor’s early memories of sound, and how quickly he came to realize in college that audio branding wasn’t really a thing in marketing. “It really begged the question for me of why aren’t brands thinking about sound and music like they are for their visual branding,” he explains. “So that, to me, was a bit of a eureka moment and really kind of set me on my path.” He talks about how both old-time jingles and current audio brands like Netflix get it right when it comes to repetition, and his process for getting clients what they need to establish their audio brand. “With my business,” Connor tells us, “I’m involved at every stage… that’s a big value add. Having a veteran in the industry in the room at all times and really guiding the work, that is really the biggest differentiator.” (12:23) – The Evolution of Sonic Branding Connor tells us about some of his current projects, including a major car company that needs a creative approach to sonic branding. “They’re a product first company,” he says. “It’s an automotive company. Without the product, you don’t have the brand. So that is the biggest touch point for their customers. And you can do the audio branding process through UX. It’s really the same process.” He shares the insights he gained from working with companies like Samsung and Lucid Motors, and tells us about the early days of audio-first UX. “Back then they were just very simple kind of ringtones and alarms,” he says. “And what I did is I went in and really crafted really long form compositions that gradually pick up over time, you know, with volume, percussion, harmonics, [and] complexity.” (26:15) – Creating a More Thoughtful Soundscape As we come to the end of the first half of our discussion, Conner tells us how he balances the functionality of UX with the distinctiveness of audio branding. “There should be a level of cohesion across the experience,” he explains. “But there should also be levels of distinction. So a welcome sound for an in-car experience could be very soft and inviting, whereas, like, for a collision sound, it can’t be soft. You know, it has to be kind of in your face.” We talk about the value of silence, and how knowing when not to make a sonic impression can be as important as making one. “There’s a lot of power in simplicity and silence,” he says. “That is the biggest takeaway of my time in this space.” Episode Summary Connor discusses his first experiences with sound and sonic branding.We explore how sonic branding has become more intentional over the years.Our discussion turns to the need for thoughtful, pleasing soundscapes. Tune in for next week’s episode as we talk about the latest developments in AI-driven neural voices, Connor’s pioneering work at Google Glass and on State Farm’s famous sonic logo, and how companies that don’t necessarily need a musical jingle can still take advantage of an audio brand. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“I think, you know, what I mentioned before would really apply, and that’s sit down and really come up with a plan over the next twelve months. What do I want to do? Do I want to release a single every month or maybe it’s a couple of singles leading up to an EP and then actually execute that. And, you know, at the same time, be consistent. You don’t want to be an artist that puts out a few tracks and then, you know, goes away for about four years and tries to come back and do it again, because you’re going to have to really start over. I mean, there’s just too much out there, you know, to consume that, you know, you’re going to lose a lot of your fan base if you don’t engage with them. You have to consistently engage with the fan base, consistently release music and devise a plan, like I said, for each of the platforms so you can gauge and analyze exactly what’s working and what’s not. So the next time you put something out, you know what to do.” – Jesse Flores This episode is the second half of my conversation with Vice President of Artist and Label Partnerships at Intercept Music Jesse Flores, as we talk about how Intercept Records is balancing AI advances and human creativity, his thoughts on what music genres might take off next, and why rushing to upload your next single might not be the best long-term strategy for building a fan base. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – AI in Music Marketing Our conversation picks up as Jesse talks about how Intercept is putting AI to use for its clients without undermining its artists. “We definitely support AI when it comes to a marketing tool,” he explains, “[but] content creation, not so much, because we really support human-made content that has some soul put behind it, an actual human behind it.” He also offers his advice to musicians on social media. “You have to consistently engage with their fan base, consistently release music and devise a plan,” he says, “for each of the platforms so you can gauge and analyze exactly what’s working.” (9:30) – Strategies for Emerging Artists Jesse tells us where he sees the future of music heading, and whether AI music could someday become a genre of its own. “Talent is a priority,” he says. “You know, you’ve got to have talent if you’re an artist nowadays. I think that’s always been the case since day one. Making music that is timeless, making music that is undeniable… that’s what’s going to keep you in this for the long run.” As our conversation comes to a close, he shares his thoughts on the power of sound, and what artists can do to help set themselves apart from the background noise. “There are different points and moments in your life when you hear a song,” he tells us, “[and] you know what you were doing when you first heard it, or, you know, it brings back memories of this person that you were dating at the time, or where you were or who your friends were. Like, it’s just always going to be there for me.” Episode Summary Exploring the benefits and challenges of AI in marketing versus music creation.Jesse offers his advice on building a music career and engaging with fans. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“What can we do to make that number a thousand? That’s the kind of stuff we really focus on. We have tools and analytics within our dashboard to kind of help guide you with that and provide insight onto what strategies are needed to get to that place. But also, I think what makes a lot of sense is to have the right team around you for independent artists. You’ve got to have a really good manager, obviously a great distributor, a good entertainment lawyer, a good publicist, and a good online marketing and social media strategist. If you have those five people in your camp, you’re off to good start.” – Jesse Flores This week’s guest was recently named VP, Artist and Label Partnerships at Intercept Music. He’s a seasoned music industry executive with over two decades of experience in business development, artist partnerships and label relations, and, as Senior Director of Label and Business Development at Virgin Music Group, he played a pivotal role in securing and managing relationships with high-profile artists and independent labels, working with artists such as Stephen Marley, Slum Village, Carla Morrison, Dax and more. With a background in both tech and sound, he’s built tools that treat music not just as art but as a powerful business asset. His name is Jesse Flores, and in this episode, we’ll be talking about what it really means for artists to own their sound, why marketing is part of the creative process, and how the right tools can help great music get the recognition it deserves. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Jesse’s Journey into the Music Business Our conversation starts off with Jesse’s early memories of sound, particularly an unforgettable concert when he was a child. “It was my first concert ever,” he recalls. “I was seven years old, and it was the Jacksons’ Victory Tour. Obviously, at the time, Michael Jackson was probably the biggest artist in the planet. And I was young, but I was a fan.” He shares his professional journey, from music student to music executive in Los Angeles, and how narrowly he avoided an early career pitfall. “I really had a good time to, you know, sit down and think about it and weigh the pros and cons,” he explains, recalling a job transfer that would’ve sent him across the country. “And, at the end of the day, I decided to stay in L.A., which was a blessing and the right decision because if I’d moved to Miami, I probably would have lost my job in the next year or two because they closed that office down.” (9:45) – Working with Independent Artists Jesse tells us more about his work at Universal and what goes into building an up-and-coming musician’s brand. “We had a team just nationwide of people where, you know, they bring them into our market and we were the experts in our region,” he says. “So we knew exactly where to take them, what stations made the most sense, what retailers were really supporting them, where we were selling the records.” He talks about his transition from Universal to Intercept records and explains how he’s still leveraging his connections to help indie artists. “Any artist that was coming off their major label deal but still wanted to release music,” he tells us, “we gave them that opportunity to do that, and not only just put out their music and using our pipes, but also have major label services.” (13:00) – Rising Above the Digital Noise Jesse and I take a closer look at social media, and the double-edged sword that music platforms can represent for musicians who are just starting out. “Anybody can release music,” he says, “so there’s just so much clutter out there, you kind of have to sift through it. And in order to rise above the noise, I think the key thing is to have a good distribution partner.” We discuss which platforms are the best choices for artists, and his strategies for helping bands find success. “Not everybody is gonna perform as well as some other platform,” he says. “One might have great success on YouTube, but not so much on Spotify and Apple Music. So what we want to do is sit down with the artists, figure out what they’ve done up to this point, and what we can do to really augment what they’ve been doing.” Episode Summary Jesse discusses his lifelong progression from music fan to music industry insider.His strategies for helping independent artists succeed via social media.We discuss whether live performances are still important in the digital age. Be sure to tune in for next week’s episode as Jesse shares his thoughts on AI, why consistency is key for both new and established artists, and his tips for standing out from the musical crowd. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“In this age of AI and, you knew I was going to go here at some point, so how can an artist differentiate themselves now that AI can basically create music with the push of a button? Like, it’s hard. It was hard before, and now we have this to worry about. I think you touched on it maybe indirectly earlier in the connection, the spirit of creating and being a human. I think it is the dopest superpower that we have, and I do believe that everyone has it. It’s just, you know, what level it’s in, but just because it’s not, like, music or visual art or dance or something doesn’t mean you’re not creative.” – Jastin Artis This episode is the second half of my conversation with artist, producer, and creative sound leader and founder of A&R in Your Pocket Jastin Artis, as we talk about what musicians need to know when they’re starting out as professionals, whether record deals still matter in the digital music scene, and how AI, from digital assistants to licensed voice cloning, is reshaping the industry. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) – Navigating the Fine Print We start the second half of our conversation with a focus on some of the lingo of the music industry, such as PRO, short for performance rights organization, payments. “That’s how you get paid royalties on the back end,” Jastin explains. “You might hear that phrase, right? For when your stuff is played on these different avenues and, you know, obviously streaming.” We talk about split sheets and how payments are divided in a group, and the importance of figuring things out ahead of time. “It’s easy if it’s just you, which I know most of us are often doing, right?” he says. “But you have your producer, maybe you have another songwriter, that’s three people. You wanna make sure you have your equally splits or whatever share… you guys agree to. Do not do that after the song is out.” (13:13) - Creativity in the Age of AI The conversation shifts to building the foundation for musical success early and the challenge of starting out in the industry. “There’s people obviously we’ve seen in music that are A-list artists because they did have the team,” he tells us. “But if you talk to them in the beginning, they didn’t know what they were doing. They felt like they could figure it out, and they did.” He shares how AI has changed his workflow and approach to music, and his confidence that the human touch isn’t going away anytime soon. “We still have to just believe in, like, the human aspect of what we do,” Jastin says. “That can’t ever go away. I don’t care, regardless of what is happening now, what could happen. It just, and maybe that’s just my belief, that’s just where I’m gonna keep my eyes on the prize.” (28:55) - Human Connections in Music Our discussion comes to a close as Jastin tells us how listeners can get in touch and what he’s working on right now, including a leadership coaching program. “It’s a 12-week program that’s centered around being sync-ready,” he explains. “Like, that’s a big thing that I’m leading with, and we’ll continue now that I’ve seen how it works. And, I know I’m still learning too, but man, I’m getting paid for beats that I made in, like, 2006.” He also shares his latest musical successes, including his upcoming album. “There will be new music coming,” he says. “Probably not by the end of [2025], but… I’m working on my thirteenth album. That’s kind of like, wow, I can’t even believe I’m saying that.” Episode Summary Jasten shares his insights on forming a strong musical career foundation.Our discussion on how AI and the digital music scene has affected musicians.Jasten’s thoughts on the necessity of human creativity amidst AI growth. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“I mean, you know how it was with Michael. And when I heard that phrase, it was just... He saved my life. Like, what? He just sung a song, right? Like, but, you know, take probably one of my favorites, ‘Man in the Mirror.’ Man, it still gets me. So, just from an experience standpoint, and I’ve done some travels in mental health and, you know, talking to people, I do understand how important music, or how powerful I should say, music is. So it absolutely feels like that being a musician, and then, I think, if you’re a musician in church, it’s… I’ve had some moments, Jodi.” – Jastin Artis This episode’s guest is a multi-faceted artist, producer, engineer, and indie A&R who bridges creativity with leadership. With twelve albums to his name, his work in sync licensing includes placements with the NBA alongside agency and micro-sync representation. His company A&R In Your Pocket empowers independent artists with industry knowledge and opportunity, and he inspires audiences worldwide as a keynote concert speaker teaching leadership through music. As a chronic health warrior, husband, and father of two, he embodies both artistry and perseverance. His name is Jastin Artis, and in this episode we’ll be exploring his creative journey, the lessons behind the music, and how he believes the music industry can survive and thrive into the future. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) - How Sound Shapes Our Emotions As we start things off, Jastin tells us about his early musical influences, from Jimi Hendrix and Led Zeppelin to growing up with Michael Jackson on the radio. “I would say I was probably four or five,” he recalls. “It was when the movie came out, Moonwalker, and I used to go to my mom’s friend’s house who was in the neighborhood every day after school and watch that movie.” We talk about the power of sound and music, and how easy it is to lose touch with our musical side as adults. “Everybody who has a guitar that’s for decoration, that’s sitting there,” he says. “I’m telling you, please pick it up. Play it while you’re watching your favorite show, whatever. That little time adds up.” (10:45) – Harnessing the Power of Music Our conversation focuses on the healing power of sound, and the impact it’s made on Jastin’s own life. “If it weren’t for music,” he tells us, “I don’t think I would be here… if I didn’t have access to these records, if I didn’t have that, just, I don’t think I would be the man that I am.” He shares his perspective as producer and A&R executive, and how hard it can be to shake off that perspective sometimes when it comes to just sitting back and enjoying music. “I’m listening and I’m like, wait a minute,” he says, “what did they do, know what I mean? And then other times you’re just, let me just chill.” (18:30) - The Intersection of Sound and Branding As the first half of our conversation wraps up, Jastin tells us more about his A&R work and what it’s taught him about the sound industry. “I like to call being an A&R is like the cool uncle or auntie,” he explains, “while being the manager is the parent. There is some separation there.” He talks about his role as a teacher of sound and music, and what it takes to turn musical talent into commercial success. “I was just telling someone today,” he explains, “what good is it learning music production and writing and all this other stuff… [if] you don’t know how to run your business?” Episode Summary Jasten shares some of his formative experiences with music and artists.We discuss how music influences emotions and even impacts mental health.Jasten talks about the importance of nurturing talent in the music industry. Tune in for next week’s episode as Jastin explains the financial language of the music industry, such as PRO payments and split sheets, his advice on how to sell yourself as an artist on social media, and his observations as an industry veteran on the growth of AI and what it means for musicians. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) 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“I’m blown away by it. So, when I close my eyes and I listen to these things, and I hear those textures and I understand the footsteps coming from afar and getting closer and, you know, like, this stuff matters. Like, it paints the picture [so] that I don’t even have to have my eyes open. I can see the whole movie happen with sound.” – Michael Dargie This episode is the second half of my conversation with founder & executive creative director at Make More Creative, and Author of BrandJitsu™, Michael Dargie as we talk about his approach to uncovering and building up a sonic brand, how close we are to fully synthetic voiceover, and his insights as a marketer and director into what he’s looking for in a voiceover artist. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) - Finding Your Brand’s Unique Sound The second half of our conversation begins as Michael talks about how the art of quickly building up a story in improv intersects with storytelling in branding. “What do you do? Why do you do it? Who do you do it for? Why do they care?” he asks. “It’s that circle of expectations. And it doesn’t have to be perfect and it doesn’t have to be sales-y.” He shares more about his process for establishing a brand’s sonic identity and the building blocks of a successful campaign. “I think from a brand standpoint,” he explains, “and a sound specific standpoint is, ‘What is true for the brand?’ Just to oversimplify, ‘are you comedy, are you rock and roll, or are you country? Are you Donnie or Marie?’” (12:30) - The Balance of Sound and Storytelling Michael walks us through his process for casting and directing an ad campaign for a company that wanted to build a more versatile brand image. “We were trying to show that it’s manufacturing,” he tells us, “going from idea to thing to in the hands of somebody who needs a thing. That was the narrative arc. So part of it was I really wanted a feminine voice to tell that story.” He describes the casting process and what sets the right voiceover artist apart from the competition. “I think the other thing too,” he says, “that you’ll know as well is like, are you direct-able? Can you take a note and then do something with it and surprise us with your new approach to it? …Especially when you’re doing a read that’s maybe not even half a page, but you have to go through eight emotions.” (24:37) - The Future of Sound in Branding Our conversation wraps up as Michael shares his thoughts about the power of sound, and how critical it is to a successful ad campaign. “It’s not something to be thrown away or to be tucked in at the end,” he tells us. “It’s your palette, and I think it… serves the visual that you’re going for. It’s the subtext for it all.” He tells listeners how they can get in touch and offers his thoughts on AI and where humans fit into the mix. “My agency name is Make More Creative,” he explains, “because that’s what we do… We are using AI for a lot of stuff right now, but we always have people in the mix.” Episode Summary Michael’s improv-inspired process for discovering what sound represents a brand.He explains the importance of sound in building the brand’s narrative.Michael’s insights on AI voices and the evolving role of sound in marketing. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“I don’t know if you can see it, [but] that’s an octopus. Yeah, on my upper arm. If you’re not watching this, the audio version is, there’s sunlight coming through and it’s dappling across this octopus. I’m a scuba diver. I really did believe, when I was young, that I was going to be a marine mammal biologist. That was my destiny. I watched Jacques Cousteau and I was all about it, and then life happened and I wasn’t all about it. It was until later in life that I got into scuba diving.” – Michael Dargie This week’s guest is a storyteller, creative instigator, occasional octopus whisperer, and founder of Make More Creative. He mentors with Calgary Economic Development and Canada’s Trade Accelerator Program, and speaks regularly at incubators, colleges, and universities. He’s the author of BrandJitsu™: Move Your Brand From ‘Meh’ To Memorable, a methodology that helps companies find, shape, and share their stories, and he’s a creative chaos agent with Loose Moose Theatre and Dropbear & Panda Productions, and the host of the multi-nominated RebelRebel podcast. His name is Michael Dargie, and in this episode, we’ll be diving into the power of sound in storytelling, branding, and bold creative expression. From podcasting to performance, he shares how voice and sound shape everything he creates—emotionally, strategically, and playfully. You’ll hear how his experiences as a comedian, filmmaker, and entrepreneur all connect through the thread of sound. And whether you’re a fellow storyteller or just love great audio, you’ll leave this conversation inspired to find your own voice, and maybe stir up a little creative trouble while you’re at it. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) - Becoming an Octopus Whisperer We start the conversation off with Michael’s early memories of sound, which in his case includes gunslinger ballads on the family stereo. “I would just listen to these songs,” he says, “these stories, and just get lost in the moment. I would let my brain drift away and see it all happening.” He also tells us more about what it means to be an octopus whisperer. “I have been diving with them,” he explains, “I’ve interacted with them, I’ve hung out with them. I love them. They’re. They’re smart. They’ve got, like, nine brains. You know, each arm has its own brain. It’s like distributive intelligence.” (13:01) - Creative Rebel in Sound Michael talks more about being a creative rebel, and how his podcast, The RebelRebel Podcast, aims for people who don’t necessarily fit just one creative box. “It’s for creative rebels and entrepreneurs,” he says, “people that go left when people go right, you zig when others zag, and I’m curious about that story. So if you fit that model, then you’d be a great fit to the show.” We discuss his improv comedy experience and the lessons it taught him about marketing. “[Improv] is a huge part of it,” he tells us. “Like, you agree to what’s happening and then see where it goes instead of blocking the scene or stopping the action… You’d be like, you know what? Heck with it, let’s find out.” (22:24) - Podcasting and Sound Design As the first half of our conversation wraps up, Michael tells us about his book BrandJitsu™ and the foundational role of sound in branding. “The top of the iceberg,” he explains, “is the stuff that people see or hear or interact with your brand. What’s below the surface are all the things that matter and enable it to be there for you to enjoy. This book is all about all those pieces below the surface.” We talk about how sound sets the stage for a brand, and how it’s best utilized by a brand. “I think music and sound becomes subtext,” he says. “It contrasts what we see, and I think contrast is the most important part of any experience… What are these things? Why are they pulling at each other?” Episode Summary Michael shares his formative memories involving music and storytelling.An exploration of what it means to be a creative rebel when it comes to sonic branding.Michael talks about his podcasting experiences and the importance of sound. Be sure to tune in for next week’s episode as we continue to explore the surprising intersection of improv comedy and audio branding, we talk about some of the commercial campaigns Michael’s worked on, and about his approach to finding the sound, mood, and voiceover artist. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“I think there’s nothing that truly resonates across all of your senses like sound does. If I’m watching something gorgeous, it’s a feast for my eyes, and it starts and ends there. But if I’m listening to something, it’s the one thing that can truly always be in your brain presence — always bringing things up or bringing things down. I mean, if you’re in a bad mood, one of the five ways to get out of it is going to be put on music, guaranteed.” – Jeremy Toeman This episode is the second half of my conversation with founder of Augie, media and technology leader, and entrepreneur Jeremy Toeman as we discuss the sometimes-random twists and turns that created social media as we know it, the lessons he’s drawn from video-game design to help improve audio-first UX, and his perspective on balancing AI efficiency and human authenticity. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) - The Role of Sound in Branding The second half of our discussion begins with a look at podcasting, and why Fortune-500 interviews aren’t always the best approach for a business podcast. “They’re not really leverage-able,” he explains. “There’s not a lot of practical value in, like, ‘he gets up at 5 AM every day and does a 20-minute cold plunge, and he doesn’t look at any device and only eats oysters.’ Okay, but I’m never going to do that.” We talk about what AI has to offer podcasters and about how its ability to sift through user data and predict trends can impact even the most seemingly human elements. “I had someone blow my mind the other day,” he says, “He got on my podcast, and he had used an AI tool to listen to my other episodes and then predict for him what questions I would ask him… And it was pretty on spot.” (12:15) - Practical Tips for Creators We talk about UX design for everything from software apps to smart devices, and how he’s taking his cues from the video game industry. “Think about tech products,” he says, “video games have music. They have sound effects, music... There should be so much more in our tech world where audio can make it a more satisfying experience..” He tells us about his daughter, who’s just published her first indie video game, and the hands-on approach to Foley sound effects that her experience taught him. “We were in my car and it was making this weird noise when you open the door,” he recalls, “and she’s like, hang on, can everybody be quiet? And she grabbed her phone and went to record it.” (20:00) - Enhancing Your Brand Identity As our conversation comes to a close, Jeremy talks more about the power of sound as a branding tool. “I think there’s nothing that truly resonates across all of your senses like sound does, right?” he says. “Like, if I’m watching something gorgeous, it’s a feast of my eyes, and it starts and ends there.” He tells us about his upcoming projects and AI developments, and how he’s working to balance the human and AI elements of new media. “We don’t want to take away from video editing or voiceover actors or principal photographers or any of these people,” he explains. “We look at how what we’re doing will be additive overall to the video ecosystem, and that includes voiceover actors and all the rest.” Episode Summary Discussion on how sound influences brand perception and user experience.Jeremy offers advice on using sound effectively in product design.Jodi wraps up the conversation with key insights and calling for action. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“I love the use of AI voices or synthetic voices for people who might, you know, they’re embarrassed. I’ve worked with engineers my whole career, and sometimes, like, it’s not that they don’t want to tell their story or break something out there, but maybe they just don’t have the self-confidence or they were made fun of as a kid. I mean, I’ve always thought I had a super nasally voice and never liked the sound of my voice. And years into public speaking, I’m like, fine, I can, handle it now. So I love it from that perspective of, if, for some reason you couldn’t, now you can. I hate it from the perspective of, well, you can’t have the human do all this stuff, but instead you just sort of one-clicked it and now it’s sort of an average, generic, mediocre, you know, as they say, AI slop.” – Jeremy Toeman This episode’s guest is the founder and CEO of Augie, an AI-assisted video creation and editing studio for marketers and social media managers. He’s also the creator and host of Founder at 50, a podcast and newsletter exploring the challenges and reinventions faced by entrepreneurs later in life. He’s held leadership roles at WarnerMedia, Etsy, CBS Interactive, and Sling Media, and founded several successful startups in the media tech space. His name is Jeremy Toeman, and we’ll be digging into how sound shapes trust, helps tech feel more human, and why even a simple “ding” can change a user’s experience. If you love the magic where tech and storytelling meet, this one’s for you. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) - The Emotional Power of Sound Our discussion starts with Jeremy’s early memories of sound, including a childhood movie that’s made a lifelong impression on him. “They incorporate, like, opera,” he describes 1979’s Breaking Away, “into the scenes. When he’s bike racing, you’re hearing like The Marriage of Figaro in the background. And the last time I watched it through, there’s something, like, every time the music would hit these moments, I’m just like weeping on my couch.” He shares his perspective as both a child and a parent when it comes to watching scary movies, and we talk about the hidden role cinematic sound plays in setting the mood. “If you not only turn on the lights,” he explains, “but simply mute it... They might still get tense, but, like, the thing that rocks them to their core goes completely away.” (11:46) - The Evolution of Audio Technology Jeremy tells us more about his career journey, including the pioneering MP3 and streaming technologies he helped develop around the turn of the millennium, and how the limitations of the early internet led to a stronger focus on sound quality. “If the video buffered,” he explains, “you would be expecting it. It was normal. It was 2005, all video buffered, there was no such thing as non-buffering video. Whereas if the audio skipped even a little bit, it would just be really jarring.” He discusses some of the major brands he’s worked for, such as CBS and WarnerMedia, and the people skills that working at such large companies taught him. “There’s a saying that nobody quits a company,” Jeremy says, “they quit a manager. And so for me, a lot of my time was really trying to grow my, what they call the soft skills, but I think are the hard skills, which is how do you make teams of people with disparate priorities, perspectives, values, needs, how do you get them to really align?” (19:01) - AI’s Role in Creative Products The first half of our conversation wraps up as Jeremy talks about Augie’s approach to AI and the hurdles his company’s working to avoid. “It bothers me personally,” he says, “that [we could] end up in this place where, like, 80% of the content is written by a bot, said by a bot, visualized by a bot, and then, wait for it, watched by a bot.” He explains how his technology balances the human and algorithmic elements of content, and his belief that, when there’s a choice to be made between the two, the human side should come first. “Is it all about what’s going to get me the absolute maximum new audience?” he explains. “I mean, from one angle, sure. But from the other angle, I want the audience that is like, I like this Jeremy guy, he talks about this, that, and the other. And, like, oh, you put a clip up talking about Arrested Development, not AI. Well, AI is going to do better SEO, but Arrested Development is my favorite TV show. So that’s the one that went live.” Episode Summary Discussion on how sound shapes audience emotions in movies.Jeremy discusses his career journey and the tech behind sound.The role of AI in enhancing creativity and audio branding. Tune in for next week’s episode as we talk about why podcasters shouldn’t always aim for the biggest success stories, how his daughter’s work as an indie game developer has given him a behind-the-scenes look at video game sound design, and how AI video editing is transforming the ad industry. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“That’s a big thing that I always like to try to put together in the shows — creating the sense of space, where we are taking that audience somewhere. And sonically, what does that sound like? I like having a lot of detail on, okay, this space, i.e. this portion of the episode. It’s like, if I go back to the American Kennel Club example, okay, this is Missouri in the 1850s in the summer. Okay, cool. I can work within that. There’s a lot of information and detail there that I could pull out.” – Joshua Suhy This episode is the second half of my conversation with JSS Audio Sound Designer, Audio Engineer, and Producer Joshua Suhy as we discuss how he helps synergize the aural and visual components of a branded podcast, his advice to people who are still building a reputation in the sound industry, and the best strategy to new podcasters looking to avoid the dreaded “podcast graveyard.” As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) - The Importance of Sonic Branding As the second half of our discussion begins, Joshua talks about his work with marketing teams and what it takes to align a new audio brand with an established visual identity. “A missed opportunity that lots of brands aren't paying attention to is trying to figure out what do we sound like,” he says. “How are we coming across to an audience on an audio, an aural component versus just visual?” We discuss how music and sonic logos fit into branded podcasts, and about the versatility of original music content. “You can begin to see the possibilities,” he explains, “if you own the IP, [of] how much more capability you have creatively if you actually own the content that you're working with.” (14:20) - Branded Podcasts and Flagship Shows We talk about sound design and his advice for sound engineers who are just starting out in the industry. “The biggest thing, I think,” he says, “is to establish rapport with the agency or the people that you're working with, being able to trust them, but with the understanding that it's a symbiotic relationship between the two of you.” He tells us about how branded podcasts differ from regular content, and how the branding goes beyond just commercials and interstitials. “A big thing is really being able to figure out what is your voice,” he says. “What is the brand voice? What are you looking for in your show? What audience do you want to reach? And, essentially, creating an audience avatar of this.” (20:30) - Advice for New Audio Professionals Our conversation wraps up as Joshua explains why it’s better to start slow as a podcaster, and why monetization shouldn’t necessarily be the primary goal. “If it leads to that, that's great,” he tells us. “But if your sole and only motivation behind your podcast is to make money, chances are you're going to be disappointed, and chances are your show is going to end up in the podcast graveyard with a lot of other people.” He shares how listeners can get in touch, and why sound designers shouldn’t write off their early mistakes. “That particular approach that you did for that episode may not have worked,” he says, “or the sound design approach didn't work for this, but that could be exactly what’s needed to help make the next episode or the next show go from good to great.” Episode Summary How brands can set themselves apart from the crowd through sonic branding.Exploring how branded podcasts blend brand identity and useful content.Joshua shares his insights as a sound designer for those starting in the industry. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“But from that point, it was just a matter of, okay, I’ve got to put all this kind of stuff together now. And now that there isn’t a moving image that I’m necessarily locked into, I wield more power in regards to molding the action, so I could decide how a scene breaks down. And I think the example that I had given to you was, if we have a scene where two characters are in a room or one character walks up to another one, I can decide, am I the character already in the room? Or am I the person outside of the room coming up to the other character? Because obviously those are two vastly different sound design approaches.” – Joshua Suhy This week’s guest is the founder of JSS Audio and a veteran of over fifteen years in the audio industry as a Sound Designer, Audio Engineer and Producer. His goal is to capture the essence of creative people’s ideas and bring tangible experiences to their audiences. Helping people tell stories through sound is his passion. His name is Joshua Suhy, and we’ll be talking about the subtle power of audio, the unexpected moments that define a mix, and why even the smallest sound can shape how we experience a story. If you want to learn how sound can influence feeling, this episode’s for you. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that. (00:00) - Using AI in Sound Design Our conversation starts off with how Joshua has been putting AI to work for him in the studio, from finding gigs to helping manage his schedule. “One thing that I use it a lot for is to send me, like, a digest every morning of verified, paid, open audio gigs,” he explains. “I'm trying to use AI for the sake of what AI is supposed to do, [to] try to make my life easier.” He shares his early memories of sounds and the path that led him to become a sound engineer and producer, including a memorable sound editing project in his film class “Specifically it was the Bugs Bunny vs Elmer Fudd boxing match,” he says, “being able to blend real life sound effects, and we had the Hanna-Barbera sound library available at the school. So I'm like, I have [all] the stuff that I had always heard as a kid.” (18:30) - Transition to Audio Production The discussion turns to how the pandemic created a podcast boom that helped revolutionize audio and deepened Joshua’s approach to sound engineering. “Over time, we've changed it to where we wanna have full control over what's going on,” he tells us, “in regards to sending microphones out to people, sound checking people, making sure that they sound as good as possible, because I want the best quality coming in.” We talk about how audio standards loosened at the height of the pandemic as more people than ever before joined the podcasting sphere, and how technology has been working since to close the gap between home and work studios. “What I liked about it, though,” he explains, “was [how] it humanized podcasting and humanized the personalities... So being able to see, in an interview, somebody's child [walking] in the room, like these are people with real life situations.” (25:00) - Impact of the Pandemic on Podcasting As the first half of our conversation comes to a close, Joshua tells us about some of the podcasts he’s worked on that have left a big influence on him, such as the American Kennel Association’s Down & Back podcast. “Mike would write the script,” he says, “we would record Bud doing the voiceover, and then I just put everything together and build all the sound effects and music and all that kind of stuff in there, and they're just so much fun.” He shares his process for creating a Foley library of sound effects, and what he does when there isn’t a ready-made sound that fits his needs. “Footsteps, clothing sounds, things like that,” he says, “if I didn't have good cloth movement sounds, let's say, in my library, I would do my best to try to just shove a mic in front of my shirt and manipulate it that way.” Episode Summary Exploring how Joshua utilizes ChatGPT for studio planning and finding new gigs.His career journey from music and cinema to audio post-production.How the pandemic changed the podcasting landscape and audio technology. Be sure to tune in for next week’s episode as we talk about his work on branded podcasts, and what sets them apart from traditional podcasting, where he stands on licensed vs original music content, and why monetization shouldn’t necessarily be the starting goal of an up-and-coming podcast. Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast: Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.com Connect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/ Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVO Connect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/ Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!) Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest! https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/ Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy https://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/ Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/ This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy