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If you have ever named a harm and been told you were “just doing it for attention,” you already know the move. The conversation stops being about the harm and starts being about you. This episode takes that move apart. Not as an insult, but as a mechanism; one that runs the same way whether it is a single conversation or an entire institution protecting itself. Using the tools of behavior analysis, I walk through how harm gets permitted, how the people who name it get recast as the problem, and why “we followed policy” can be technically true and still leave real people holding real damage. Along the way: what a behavior is actually for versus what it does to everyone else; why understanding why someone caused harm never makes the harm smaller; and a claim I have never heard my own field take credit for, that rights themselves are behavioral, something you can see in the pushback when they are violated. I use real cases, including one I lived through and one I can document start to finish. Some of it is personal. All of it is aimed at one question: what does justice actually look like for people who are harmed, over and over, by the systems that are supposed to protect them? I will not hand you the answer in the first five minutes. But I promise we end on something you can actually do. Content note: this episode discusses sexual assault and institutional harm. Be kind to yourself; take breaks if you need them. We end on action. Human first. Human always.

The conversation explores the formation of the ABA Workers Union, the influence of BF Skinner, the concept of counter-control, burnout as an environmental control issue, the ethics accountability gap, challenges faced by RBTs, collective bargaining, and ethical concerns related to individualized treatment. It also discusses the core design principles of successful group management. The conversation delves into the principles of fair decision making, graduated responding, and conflict resolution, highlighting the importance of self-governance and the direct join union's organizational principles. It explores the impact of strikes on workers and clients, the rationale for strikes, and the need for creative alternatives. Additionally, it discusses the impact of company growth on workers, sustainability, and the role of unions in challenging vocational awe and promoting collective action. Takeaways The ABA Workers Union aims to address challenges faced by behavior analysts through collective bargaining and environmental control.Burnout and ethical concerns in behavior analysis highlight the need for organizational change and collective action. Fair and inclusive decision makingImpact of strikes on workers and clients Chapters 00:00 Introduction to ABA Workers Union04:31 The Influence of BF Skinner05:09 Counter-Control and Organizational Behavior06:25 Burnout and Environmental Control14:39 Ethics Accountability Gap16:25 Challenges Faced by RBTs26:02 Collective Bargaining and Behavior Contracts34:13 Ethical Concerns and Design Principles36:11 Principles of Fair Decision Making36:40 Graduated Responding and Conflict Resolution37:07 Authority to Self-Govern38:02 Direct Join Union and Organizational Principles39:08 Empowering Autonomy at the Local Level40:08 Challenges of Union Representation41:08 Impact of Strikes on Workers and Clients42:55 Rationale for Strikes and Contingencies43:24 Avoiding Strikes and Creative Alternatives45:07 Impact of Company Growth on Workers50:34 Sustainability and Organizational Values54:43 Behavioral Observations in the Workplace01:03:47 Role of Unions in Challenging Vocational Awe01:06:30 Collective Action and Social Validity

Oh Behave! Podcast: Naming the Sidestep in the Conversion Therapy Debate On March 31, 2026, the Supreme Court decided Chiles v. Salazar. The headlines said the Court sided with a therapist's free speech over Colorado's ban on conversion therapy for minors. This episode is about the quieter story underneath that headline, and the move almost everyone missed. The Court answered a narrow question: can the state regulate what a licensed therapist says? It never had to answer the question that actually matters: what does conversion therapy do to the rights of the child it's performed on? That shift, from a question about the child to a question about the adult's speech, is the sidestep this episode is named for. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. Working from a behavior-analytic lens, we walk through what the Court actually decided and the four things it pointedly did not. We take the 8-1 majority seriously, including the principled free-speech reasoning that a thoughtful person could land on without any animus toward LGBTQ kids. We look at the licensing argument that was available but never made. And we build the case for keeping the child, the actual rights holder, at the center of the frame where they belonged the whole time. Then we do the harder thing. We look at the evidence honestly, and we apply the same scrutiny to the research that supports our position as to the research that doesn't. We name the real limitations in the conversion-therapy harm data. We correct a myth that's convenient for our own side. And we land on the one distinction that survives all the methodological mess: the difference between an intervention measured by whether it helps the person receiving it, and one measured by whether it makes the people around them more comfortable. The argument we end on doesn't depend on winning the evidence debate. It holds even if you set every study aside. Because a child is not raw material. A child is not a problem to be fixed. A child is a person, first and always. Whether you're a behavior analyst, a clinician, a caregiver, or someone who followed the headlines and felt like something was off but couldn't name it, this one is for you. This episode is a companion to our relaunch episode, "Human First, Human Always," but it stands entirely on its own. A note on content: This episode discusses conversion therapy, harm to children, and suicide. Please take care of yourself as you listen. If you need support, the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline is available 24/7 (call or text 988). The Trevor Project supports LGBTQ youth at 1-866-488-7386 or by texting START to 678-678. Full sources, a plain-language glossary, and further reading are in the show notes. Truth matters, which means you should be able to check the work. Human first. Human always. Show Notes are published to Substack

The Oh Behave! Podcast is back; and this episode explains why it took as long as it did. This is not an apology for the hiatus. It's something more honest than that: an account of doing the actual work of examining beliefs, sitting with discomfort, and changing course rather than just knowing you should. That process takes time. It took the time it took. This episode is about being wrong. Specifically, it's about why being wrong feels the way it feels, what the science says about that, and why the ability to be genuinely wrong without it costing you your sense of self might be one of the most important things a human being can develop. We start with a concept from behavioral science called cognitive fusion; the experience of a belief feeling less like something you're thinking and more like something you are. When a belief fuses with your identity, a challenge to the belief stops feeling like a correction and starts feeling like an attack. That's not weakness or stubbornness; it's a description of how human cognition works, grounded in a framework called Relational Frame Theory (RFT). From there, we look at history. How being wrong feels is not a matter of personality or intelligence; it's a learning history. If being wrong was dangerous in the environments where you learned who you were, your nervous system learned to treat it as a threat. It may still be responding to a danger that is long gone. Then we get practical. The goal is not to stop feeling the sting of being wrong; it's to feel it fully and still be able to move. The episode introduces flexible engagement as a name for that capacity; the ability to stay in honest contact with your experience, including the parts that challenge what you believe, without fusing so tightly that thoughtful response becomes impossible. We walk through what that looks like in practice and what it feels like from the inside. Finally, we look at the verbal behavior itself. Understanding that you're wrong and saying "I was wrong" out loud are two completely different behaviors with two completely different histories. The words live in a social world; and that social world shapes whether honesty becomes more or less likely over time. Intellectual honesty is not only an individual practice. It is a relational one. The episode closes where it began: the scientific method is not a departure from human nature. It is human nature formalized. From the day we are born, we are collecting data, running experiments, seeking to understand. Being a scientist is being human. Human first. Human always.

Oh Behave! Podcast with Educational Justice: The Intersection Human Rights, Ethics, Race, Class, & Disability Status with Abigail Twyman Intro & Outro is The River (Freedom) by Nikki Leonti courtesy of Audiio.com (License #: 5516039362) Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world. Book referenced: Blind Spots by Kimberly Nix Berens, https://amzn.to/3tPFbiC Adverse Childhood Experiences, https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/aces/index.html https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/02/387007941/take-the-ace-quiz-and-learn-what-it-does-and-doesnt-mean Rehabilitation Act of 1973 IDEA 1999 - Individuals with Disabilities Education Act IDEA 2004 - Individuals with Disabilities Education Act 2004 ADA - Americans with Disabilities Act RTI - Response to Intervention - Identification & Addressing MTSS - Multi-tiered Systems of Support - Like RTI but broader FAPE - Free and Appropriate Public Education - Rooted in the 14th Amendment - Brown v Board of Education is the start of what created FAPE. LRA - Least Restrictive Environment

The Oh Behave Podcast is joined by Kelly Baird, Founder of BWIBAAD & President of MOBBAC, and Jeron Trotman, Founder & President of BMBA, to discuss BACB Elections & representation.

Anthony Bronaugh joins the podcast to discuss the role of behavior analysis and BCBA in consulting with teachers and education administrators. Intro & Outro is Chased By The Mood (Instrumental) by Benjamin Campbell courtesy of Audiio.com (License #: 6817664205) Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world. Thank you.

In this episode, Louis Stay joins the Oh Behave! Podcast to talk about Moral Disengagement Theory. We discuss and define the mechanism of moral disengagement as well as talking about examples of what this looks like within human services, especially behavior analysis. We also talk about what it takes to combat moral disengagement.  In relation to this topic, Louis Stay & Brian Middleton both invite you to engage in actively changing the field of behavior analysis for the better by actively opposing the use of Graduated Electronic Decelerator (GED) on humans regardless of their ability of disability. You can take action by signing this petition, as well as by sending letters as outlined on this website. The reality is that the use of electroshock should never have been used as a practice, let alone been accepted within any therapeutic community. Please help in banning this horrible and inhumane practice.  Intro & Outro is I See Angels (Instrumental) by Chill Winston courtesy of Audiio.com (License #:7271361259) Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world.

Natasha Bouchillon joins the Oh Behave! & ACT natural Podcasts to discuss incorporating art into ACT & ABA. Discussion also includes a curriculum that uses art to teach ACT skills and incorporates art into ABA called Canvas ABA.  To see more of Natasha's work, check her out on YouTube, Instagram, LinkedIn, Etsy, and her art website & ABA website, as well as her Amazon author page. Intro & Outro is Olympic Spirit (Instrumental) by Sebastian Kauderer courtesy of Audiio.com (License #: 7947796761) Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world.

Jennifer Lords, creator of the Reflective Behavior Change Facebook group, joins the Oh Behave! and ACT natural Podcasts to discuss reflective behavior change. In this episode we discuss reflective behavior change, what that means, and how we can use a better understanding of our working memory and existing research to increase success for behavior change, including greater success in studying. Intro & Outro is Becoming (Instrumental) by Matthew L. Fisher courtesy of Audiio.com (License #: 9201711006) Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world.

Dr. Sho Araiba joins the podcast for a third time to discuss art and behaviorism. Dr. Araiba had a paper publish titled "Literary Behavior Analysis of Ghost in the Shell: From Science to Art of Behaviorism." It was published in Perspectivas em Análise do Comportamento (Perspectives in Behavior Analysis).   Please join us for a facinating dicussion! Check out Sho's YouTube and Instagram channels. Here is a video of the dragon mentioned in the episode. ~Intro & Outro is Wild Side (Instrumental) by Friggin Foxes courtesy of Audiio.com (License #: 5665524904) Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world.

Tara Zeller of Appletree Connection joins the Oh Behave! Podcast & ACT natural Podcast to talk about the importance of higher quality RBT training, including training RBTs in understanding important ideas from ACT & RFT to better serve our clients. We also discuss neurodiversity as well as applying ACT concepts in a variety of ways. Learn more about the Appletree Connection at their website, Facebook page, Instagram page, and YouTube channel. Intro & Outro is Turtle Up Fool (Instrumental) by Lance Conrad courtesy of Audiio.com (License #: 2899624249) Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world.

The Inappropriate Opossum of the Inappropriate Behavior Blog joins the Oh Behave! Podcast to talk about the BACB 5th edition task list items E-2 (Responsibility as a Professional) & E-6 (Responsibility in Public Statements), as well as touching on other aspects of section E of the task list, which is Ethics. To learn more about the Inappropriate Opossum's work, check out the Inappropriate Behavior Blog and the related Facebook Page. Intro & Outro is Black Cavendish (Instrumental) by Cemetery Men courtesy of Audiio.com (License #: 6411413475). Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world.

Kayla Motl of AllDayABA joins the Oh Behave! Podcast to talk about the behavior science aspects of cults. Brian & Kayla discuss an operational definition of cults as provided by the B.I.T.E. model, as well as what behaviorism can offer to understanding the behavior of those caught in cults and the behavior of cults and their leaders as well. To read more of Kayla's work, go to her blog, Facebook page or Facebook study group. Intro & Outro is Nov (Instrumental) by Phelipe Figueiredo courtesy of Audiio.com (License #: 3042011488) Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world.

Ryan O'Donnell of The Daily BA (YouTube, Facebook, Instagram) joins the podcast to talk about change in the field of behavior analysis, including the challenges related to that. Intro & Outro is Fever (Instrumental)by Yellen courtesy of Audiio.com (License #: 1415988103).  Intro and Outro music is licensed exclusively for use with this podcast; however, all other parts of this podcasts are open source education materials, and only require citation in order to be used in whole or in part. Please consider contributing to the Podcast to further the goals of making knowledge freely accessible to the world.