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Welcome to CFO 4.0, where we explore the dynamic landscape of Financial Leadership in the era of Technology 4.0. I'm your host, Hannah Munro, Managing Director of itas, a pioneering Financial Transformation consultancy. In this podcast series, we unravel the intricate connection between cutting-edge technologies and the financial domain. It's more than just adopting tools; it's about cultivating the skills necessary to navigate and spearhead the transformative journey within Finance. CFO 4.0 embodies the archetype of the Financial Leader in the future — a fusion of strategic visionaries and tech-savvy innovators. As the CFO role swiftly evolves from a mere cost controller to a strategic influencer, each transition opens up novel possibilities. Tune in as we share valuable insights and guidance from inspirational CFOs and finance leaders every episode, empowering you to revolutionise your processes, people, and data. Seize the opportunities, propel your business and career forward, and lead with unwavering confidence. Join us in shaping the future of Finance — this is CFO 4.0, your guide to the Future of Finance. We’d love for you to join our community, and if you like what you hear (which I’m sure you will 😉) it would be great if you rate and share.

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291. Technology Doesn't Transform Organisations. People Do with Ilana Esterrich

2026/10/27

This week on CFO 4.0 returning guest Ilana Esterrich joins Hannah Munro to challenge traditional thinking around ROI and introduce a more meaningful measure of success: return on change. Together, they explore why adoption, attention and organisational behaviour play a crucial role in whether transformation delivers lasting value. In this episode, you'll learn: Why traditional ROI calculations often fail to tell the full story.What "return on change" means and why leaders should measure it alongside ROI. How attention audits can uncover low-value work and hidden inefficiencies.The importance of deciding what work will stop before introducing new technology.How to support teams through adoption challenges and post-launch productivity dips

290. CFO Revisited | The Unconventional CFO with Jeremy Foster

2026/10/13

In this CFO 4.0 Revisited episode, Hannah Munro talks with Jeremy Foster, now CFO at Kasasa and formerly CFO of Talroo, to explore why some of the most effective finance leaders don't fit the traditional CFO mould. Jeremy shares his unconventional journey to the CFO seat and explains how stepping beyond conventional finance thinking can help organisations move faster, make better decisions, and support sustainable growth. Also covered on the podcast Jeremy's unconventional path to becoming a CFOWhy modern CFOs need to think beyond traditional financeBuilding agile, high-performing finance teamsApproaches to scaling finance in high-growth businessesMaking smarter marketing investment decisionsThe tools and practices behind an agile finance function

289. CFO 4.0 Revisited | Top Tips on Finding and Getting your Perfect FD/CFO Role with Andrew MacAskill

2026/09/29

In this episode of CFO 4.0 Revisited, Hannah Munro is joined by Andrew MacAskill, Founder of Executive Career Jump and a finance professional dedicated to helping senior leaders accelerate their careers. Together, they explore what organisations are really looking for in CFOs, how finance professionals can position themselves for new opportunities, and the practical steps finance leaders can take to future-proof their careers. In this episode, you'll discover:What organisations look for when hiring CFOs and finance leadersHow to identify the right company and role for your skills, ambitions, and valuesWays to stand out and get noticed during a job searchAlternative career paths beyond traditional CFO and Finance Director rolesPractical advice for future-proofing your finance career in a changing business environment Links mentioned in episode Follow Andrew on LinkedInLearn more about Executive Career JumpExplore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

288. Strategic Investment: How CFOs Can Turn Vision into Results with Evan Campbell

2026/09/22

In this episode of CFO 4.0, Hannah Munro speaks with Evan Campbell, author of Adapt to Win, about the often-overlooked gap between strategy and execution. From allocating resources effectively to prioritising the right initiatives and measuring success, Evan shares practical insights for finance leaders looking to maximise returns on strategic investments. The discussion explores how CFOs can create alignment across the business, improve decision-making, and drive lasting competitive advantage. Key topics include: Connecting strategy to investment decisionsPortfolio management techniques for modern finance teamsAvoiding common pitfalls in strategic executionCreating accountability across the organisationMaking better decisions with limited resources Links mentioned in episode: Evan's LinkedinEvan's book Adapt to Win Learn more about Chinoock Ranch ConsultingExplore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

287. The Fractional CFO Files: The Trusted Advisor with Adrian Message

2026/09/15

In this episode of The Fractional CFO Files, Hannah Munro is joined by Adrian Message from The CFO Centre to explore what truly defines a successful fractional CFO. Drawing on years of experience supporting businesses through growth, change and uncertainty, Adrian shares why trust, adaptability and strong relationships often matter more than technical expertise alone. In this episode, you'll learn: How fractional CFOs adapt their approach to meet the unique needs of each business and build trusted relationships with founders and leadership teams.Why emotional intelligence, honesty and difficult conversations are often just as important as financial expertise.How CFOs can enable growth by moving beyond transactions and controls to focus on strategy, education and business improvement.Practical lessons from Adrian's career, including scaling businesses, navigating financial challenges and helping finance leaders create greater impact. Links mentioned in this episode Adrian's LinkedinLearn more about The CFO centreExplore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

286. The New CFO: What Does It Really Take to Step Up Into the CFO Role? with Nicola Horton

2026/09/08

In this episode of CFO 4.0, host Hannah Munro is joined by Nicola Horton, Principal at the CFO Centre, to explore what it really takes to step up into the CFO seat and thrive once you're there Nicola draws on her own journey from financial controller to CFO, including leading a business turnaround in her first CFO role, as well as nine years spent coaching finance leaders through that same transition - sharing practical lessons on everything from building the right team to nurturing bank relationships that take years to earn trust. In this episode we cover: Why starting a CFO role at a new company can be easier than an internal promotionThe most common gap when people step up: letting go of the detail and thinking strategicallyHow to build trust with your bank long before you need their supportWhy "the right team" matters more than almost anything elseHow to bring a reluctant owner-manager or board on side with bigger decisionsNicola's advice for making the most of your first 100 days in a new CFO role Links mentioned: Nicola's LinkedinLearn more about The CFO centreExplore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

285. CFO 4.0 Revisited: The essential mindsets you need to be successful in your new CFO role with Ash Noah

2026/09/01

This week we're revisiting Hannah Munro's conversation with Ash Noah, VP & Managing Director of Learning, Education and Development at AICPA & CIMA, on the mindset shifts CFOs need to close the gap between what finance delivers and what the business actually needs. This episode covers: Why finance is hitting 90% on governance but only 40% on business guidance — and how to close that gapBuilding a value creation mindset by understanding your business model, not just costs and profitsWhy an analytics mindset and a "digital first" approach are now essential, not optionalHow agile methodology and design thinking help CFOs become better problem solversAsh's top tips for the first 90 days in a new CFO role — and why you need to "kick the tires and smell the diesel" Links referenced in this episode: Ash's Linkedin Learn more about AICPAExplore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

284. Finding your Rodman: The quiet specialists holding your company together with Jack McCullough

2026/08/25

Jack McCullough, President of the CFO Leadership Council, is back on CFO 4.0 to sit with Hannah to talk about the idea that every organisation has quiet specialists - rarely high on the org chart, rarely natural leaders who are so irreplaceable that losing them would do more damage than losing a member of the C-suite. Jack introduces his new book "The Rodman Paradox". Borrowing his title from NBA legend Dennis Rodman (a specialist who never scored much but became, by some measures, the greatest winner in basketball history) In this conversation, Jack and Hannah dig into: Why traditional org charts fail to capture who really holds a company togetherHow to spot your own "Rodmans" using organisational network analysisWhy promoting a Rodman is often the worst thing you can do for them (and for the business)How to recognise and reward specialists who don't want titles, meetings, or management responsibilityReal stories from the book Links mentioned in this episode Jack's LinkedinLearn more about The CFO Leadership CouncilJack's Book The Rodman ParadoxExplore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

283.The Fractional CFO Files: How CFOs get Sales, Ops & Products on the same page with Roger Castle

2026/08/18

Roger Castle is a fractional Finance Director and CFO with The CFO Centre. In this episode, Roger joins Hannah to unpack what it really takes to lead through change, from persuading a fast-growing team to accept its first-ever cost cuts, to helping SME owners turn vague ambitions into concrete, achievable growth plans. Roger shares the practical realities of working as a fractional CFO across multiple clients at once, and the mindset shift required to move from corporate scale to hands-on SME finance. In this episode, they cover: Leading a workforce through its first-ever cost-cutting exerciseReading personality types to get sales, ops and product directors aligned around the numbersTurning short-term-focused CEOs into long-term plannersBlending top-down market data with bottom-up revenue modellingManaging a management buyout alongside an incumbent FD

282. CFO Revisited: Start-up CFO to COO - Funding, Scaling and Recruiting in a start-up world with Sabrina Castiglione

2026/08/11

In this episode of CFO 4.0 Revisited, we're looking back at Hannah Munro's conversation with Sabrina Castiglione at the time, Chief Operating Officer at Pento, and now CFO at Omnea. Sabrina's path into finance leadership is anything but conventional. She studied chemistry at university, spent years in financial services, then made the leap into startups as CFO at Tassie before stepping into the COO seat at Pento. In this session, Hannah and Sabrina cover: How a business's needs shift as it moves from Seed to Series A and beyondWhat life as a startup CFO really looks likeMaking the move from CFO to COOThe current landscape for startup fundingHow the economic climate has changed what investors look forPeople vs roles - what recruitment looks like inside a startup Links mentioned in this episode Sabrina’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scastiglione/Explore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

281. CFO Stories | The UK's Youngest CFO on Building Trust, Not Just Teams with Sophia Levell FCCA

2026/08/04

In this episode of CFO Stories, Hannah is joined by Sophia Levell FCCA, CFO of Access Fertility and one of the youngest CFOs in the UK. Sophia shares the fast-tracked path that got her there and what she's learned since. In this episode, we cover: Why she dropped out of college to start her ACCA journey earlyThe mentor-shaped transition from finance operator to strategic CFOHiring for complementary skills, not personality Building trust with the C-suite through constant, unfiltered communicationSophia's advice for anyone stepping into their first CFO role Links mentioned Sophia's LinkedinLearn more about Access FertilityLearn more about ACCAExplore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

280. CFOs CFO | How to Delegate Like a CFO: Strengths, Ownership & Fractional Support with Sara Daw

2026/07/28

In this episode of the CFO 4.0 Podcast, host Hannah Munro is joined by returning guest Sara Daw, CEO of The CFO Centre Group, to explore how CFOs can build the right team around them from smart delegation to bringing in a fractional "CFO's CFO" for M&A, systems work, or steady-ship support. In this episode: Why delegation should focus on outcomes, not tasksHow to build a team that plays to individual strengthsWhat to do when a delegated task goes wrongThe emerging "CFO's CFO" model and when to use itGround rules for successful peer-level fractional partnershipsWhy the future of executive work is a team sport, not a solo act Links mentioned in this episode: Sara's Linkedin Learn more about the CFO centreExplore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

279. How AI, Demographics and Change Are Reshaping Finance Careers with Clive Webb

2026/07/21

In this episode of CFO 4.0, Hannah Munro is joined by Clive Webb, Head of Business Management at ACCA, to discuss ACCA's report Career Paths Reimagined exploring how careers in finance are being reshaped by AI, demographics, and shifting expectations of work, and what CFOs need to do now to prepare their teams for the future. In this episode, they cover: The eight key drivers reshaping careers in accountancy and financeWhy the UK's ageing population and declining birth rate mean we'll all need to work longerHow AI and automation are shifting organisations from a "pyramid" to a "diamond" structureWhy curiosity is the standout skill for the human-machine era The balance of technical skills vs soft skillsPractical advice for CFOs on developing talent pipelines and rethinking assumptions Links mentioned: Clive’s LinkedinLearn more about ACCACareer Paths Reimagined reportExplore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

278. CFO 4.0 Revisited | Driving Change in Finance: Unleashing the Power of Transformational Leadership with Ilana Esterrich

2026/07/14

In this episode of CFO 4.0 Revisited, we're looking back at episode 134, where Hannah Munro was joined by Ilana Esterrich, then CFO at Planned Parenthood, now CFO & Strategic Advisor for a rich conversation on sustainable transformational leadership. Ilana shares her wealth of knowledge and experience in driving successful organisational transformations, highlighting the critical role change management plays in achieving lasting results. In this episode, we cover: The significance of people skills in driving successful changeHow to communicate the "why" effectively and align it with individual motivationsCreating a sense of one team and fostering a culture that's open to changeWhy reducing non-value-adding activities in finance processes matters

277. First 100 Days as a CFO: The Career Strategies Every New CFO Needs to Know with John Lees

2026/07/07

In this episode of CFO 4.0, Hannah Monro sits down with John Lees career strategist, coach, and author to unpack the real work behind a successful CFO transition. John shares why your first 100 days actually begin long before day one, how to balance appearing confident with genuine curiosity, and the art of "checking in" with peers, stakeholders, and even the person on the security desk. He also digs into the people dynamics that make or break a new role: spotting enablers, navigating blockers, understanding personality at the top, and building trust across the C-suite fast. In this episode, you'll learn: The three biggest mistakes new CFOs make in their first 90 daysHow to practise "informed curiosity" to build credibility from day oneWhy due diligence on culture and people matters more than technical skillsHow to navigate difficult early conversations when the numbers don't add upThe check-in framework for 30, 60, and 90 days and why it matters Links mentioned in this episode John's Linkedin Learn more about John Lee's Associates John's Book "Get Ahead in Your New Job"Explore other CFO 4.0 Podcast episodes here.Subscribe to our Podcast!

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ASobering 2022/05/06

A Must Listen for (Aspiring) CFOs! 🔥

Hannah and her talented guests talk all things business, but it’s so much more than that! You’ll get tons of actionable advice and tangible tips, but ...

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Jack-Mick 2021/01/21

W CCR Important Podcast for CFOs

This is becoming a “must follow” podcast for CFOs and those who aspire to become one. They have had several insightful guests and Hannah is a great...

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