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Are you questioning the value of investing in church life? Are you asking yourself, “Why get up and go to a building with people I barely know? Can’t I just listen to praise songs on my own and find a YouTube sermon from a pastor I like?” These are good and legitimate questions. Many people in their 20s and 30s have come to see church as more of a problem than a solution. Does the church still matter? Dr. Carmen Joy Imes Dr. Carmen Joy Imes (PhD, Wheaton) is Associate Professor of Old Testament at Biola University. She is the author of a new book, Becoming God’s Family: Why the Church Still Matters (InterVarsity Press, 2025). Previously, she published Bearing God’s Name: Why Sinai Still Matters and Being God’s Image: Why Creation Still Matters. In our conversation, we discuss: * Russel Moore recently wrote, “We now see young evangelicals walking away from evangelicalism not because they do not believe what the church teaches, but because they believe the church itself does not believe what the church teaches.” We see this as very true, and hear Dr. Imes’s response and recommendations. * The story of Pentecost in Acts 2 is a dramatic and important moment in the initiation of the New Testament church, but Carmen Imes takes us back to the basis of why Pentecost means so much. We learn from the Old Testament the information that explains what really happened at Pentecost. * We can learn principles from the Old Testament stories that informs how we relate to God and people in the church today. * As Americans, we swim in a culture of individualism and consumerism. Instead of independence, Perhaps we need to teach ourselves and our children how to be interdependent. The Bible actually informs how Christians can become interdependent. * The Letter to the Hebrews has a lot to say about the importance of the local fellowship of believers. We discuss how this Hebrew mindset can help us to connect with others in community. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Where to purchase these books: Support independent booksellers! Purchase any of the books mentioned above from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

God has called each and every one of us to mission, in and through the various vocations we have and the relationships we all have forged. “Mission” is this: We are Sent People. Just as Jesus is the Sent One, now the Father and the Son has sent the Holy Spirit into his people so that we too can be sent ones. All of us—not just the ministry professionals—can encounter God and experience God’s power as we are boldly living every aspect of life for Him and for the sake of others. Our guest is Jon Hietbrink. He is the co-author, along with Linson Daniel and Eric Rafferty, of Reviving Mission: Awakening to the Everyday Movement of God (InterVarsity Press, 2024). In this episode, we discuss: * Every believer—not only in ministry occupations as pastors, campus ministers, and missionaries, but also everyone—is in full-time missional work in and through our everyday jobs–businesspeople, teachers, baristas, homemakers, politicians, artists, and scientists. Our “ordinary lives” are the context for amazing mission. * The “Four Es” for living a missional Christian life: Encounter, Explore, Empower, and Establish. * Encounter: As Christians, we believe we encounter a God who is here and moving. But what we believe and what we experience can be very different. Many of us have not encountered God like we see in the Bible. We discuss ways to move away from our cynicism and to seek to encounter God in our everyday lives. * Explore: Since God is with us and God is moving, then God is already at work everywhere we go and he is doing things all around us. We just need to lift up our eyes and become inquisitive as to what’s going on. We talk about practical ways to do this. * Empower: In John 16:7, Jesus tells his disciples something pretty shocking: “But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.” A quote from the book: “Let that sink in. The Holy Spirit inside of you is better than Jesus next to you.” * Establish: Committing to communal rhythms of transforming habits and habitats. We want to live for Christ in every aspect of our lives, but we get burned out, or we just drift away. We need to be resilient. Establishing habits and enmeshing ourselves in various depths of Christian community helps us be able to keep going in our faith and mission. Scroll down to learn more about Jon Hietbrink. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Jon Hietbrink Jon Hietbrink serves as a Vice President of Campus Ministry for InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, helping to cultivate missional movements on campuses across the country. He’s one of the founders of the EveryCampus coalition. Jon earned his MA in Missional Church Movements from Wheaton College. He loves hiking in creation and traveling to new places. He lives in the Midwest with his wife, Stephanie, and their two Gen Z kids. Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

Caleb Campbell joins Bob and David to discuss some of the content in his book, Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor (InterVarsity Press, 2024). Caleb believes that while it’s possible to be both a Christian and hold Christian nationalist ideas, Christian nationalism itself is an unchristian worldview, rooted in the desire for power that is irreconcilable with the Christian faith. We recorded the first part of this interview on August 29, 2025. This was before the assassination of one of the leading voices of Christian American Nationalism, Charlie Kirk. In light of that devastating event, we thought we’d table the episode and then revisit with Caleb and get his thoughts. So the first part of this interview is from last year, and the second part is from this year. * Caleb shares his personal story of how people in his congregation became more strident about political issues and how he suffered relational fallout because of it. * What is Leviathan? And why does Caleb think that American Christian Nationalism is “Leviathan”? * Many feel that the actual Leviathan that has gripped the country is liberal progressivism. Is Caleb equally concerned about what’s happening with the secularist Left? * Politics seems to always revolve around anxiety and rage. But Christians should know better. We follow Jesus, who constantly told us, “Do not be afraid.” How do we help people move away from being so anxious and angry? * How do we engage with people who have become even more strident in light of the awful assassination of Charlie Kirk? * How is AI imagery creating iconography that creates a heretical syncretism of Christianity and Americana? * In the book, Caleb offers a “Field Guide for Responding to American Christian Nationalists.” The loose structure of our conversations looks like this: 1. Clarifying Questions 2. Possible Shared Values 3. Shibboleths (vs Red Flags) 4. Good things to honor, and then 5. “Humble Subversion” with the gospel of Jesus Christ. * We reflect on Galatians 6:1-2, “If anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” Scroll down to learn more about Caleb Campbell. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Caleb Campbell Caleb Campbell is Lead Pastor at Desert Springs Bible Church in Phoenix. Check out Caleb Campbell’s Substack, also called Disarming Leviathan. In the early 2000s, Caleb was invited to play the drums with one of the bands at the church. He met Jesus through a friendship with someone from at the church. In 2006, he joined staff. In 2015, he was called to serve as Lead Pastor. Caleb is the Director of the J29 Coalition, which seeks to equip pastors to “recapture the evangelical political imagination.” He also serves on the board of United Pastors of Arizona and as the statewide regional director of the Surge Network. Caleb has a Masters Degree in Ministry from Phoenix Seminary and a Doctor of Ministry from Fuller Theological Seminary. On two previous episodes, we had historian John Fea on to discuss his books, Was America Founded as a Christian Nation? and Believe Me: The Evangelical Road to Donald Trump. These are well worth a listen to be educated on all the nuances of these issues. Where to purchase Caleb’s book: Support independent booksellers! Purchase any of the books mentioned above from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

We talk with award-winning author Tish Harrison Warren about how to navigate burnout and weariness. Two-thirds of Americans are dissatisfied with their work, and a sense of languishing is widespread. Many of us feel overwhelmed, spiritually dry, and filled with doubts… about our faith and about our place in this world. In her new book, What Grows in Weary Lands: On Christian Resilience (Convergent/Random House, 2026) Tish Warren draws from both her own season of exhaustion and the rich well of Christian tradition — particularly that of the earliest Christian monks — to discover the habits and mindsets that anchor us, give us resilience, and offer us hope. We discuss: * Tish was very busy after becoming a best-selling author. She was writing for the New York Times and Christianity Today as well as her next book. But she came to a place of burnout, when she became spiritually dry. She stopped all that writing and went off social media in order to explore how to get through these difficult times. She tells us what she learned in that time. * The things that make us weary are usually the good things in life, what Thomas Aquinas called “arduous goods.” * When we experience dryness and weariness, we choose to escape that through scrolling or binge-watching. But the Desert Fathers and Mothers chose to live in the deserts of Egypt, Palestine, and Syria. We can learn a lot from them as they struggle with the “dark night of the soul,” to find a deeper, more satisfying faith in God. Scroll down to learn more about Tish Harrison Warren. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Tish Harrison Warren Tish Harrison Warren is a writer and an Anglican priest. She is the author of several books, including Liturgy of the Ordinary: Sacred Practices in Everyday Life, which won Christianity Today‘s 2018 Book of the Year, and Prayer in the Night: For Those Who Work, or Watch, or Weep, which won Christianity Today‘s 2022 Book of the Year and the 2022 ECPA Christian Book of the Year. She formerly wrote a weekly newsletter for The New York Times, which focused on faith in public discourse and private life. She was also a columnist for Christianity Today. Her articles and essays have appeared in Comment Magazine, The Point Magazine, Religion News Service and elsewhere. She currently serves as the C. S. Lewis Theological Writer-in-Residence for the Anglican Episcopal House of Studies at Baylor’s George W. Truett Theological Seminary. She is a senior fellow with The Trinity Forum. She and her husband Jonathan recently planted Immanuel Anglican Church. She lives in Austin, Texas, with her husband and three children. Where to purchase these books: Support independent booksellers! Purchase any of the books mentioned above from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

All of us want to make sense of life—of our work, our relationships, and our place in the world. Who are we? Why are we here? What should we do with our lives? And is there a hope I can cling to as I struggle to make a slight difference in the world? Our guest is Steven Garber. He has spent his life as a teacher of many people in many places, including his work as Senior Fellow for Vocation and the Common Good for the M.J. Murdock Charitable Trust, and the Economics of Mutuality Alliance. He was the founding principal for the Washington Institute for Faith, Vocation and Culture. And Steve continues his work as Senior Fellow for the Institute for Marketplace Transformation. Anybody who is a regular listener to this podcast will have heard the name “Steven Garber” mentioned a lot. Not only was he Bob’s doctoral mentor, but he has also influenced many of our previous guests. Steve is the author of some fantastic books, the latest being Hints of Hope: Essays on Making Peace with the Proximate (Paraclete Press, 2026). In our conversation we discuss: * How our work in this broken world can be frustrating and that even the most beautiful things we see and do show signs of that brokenness. * But that we can, and must, work (empowered by God’s Spirit) toward something “proximate” to how God would want things, bringing hints of the hope that is to come. * The Gospel of John begins with ‘The word became flesh.” While this is the center of Christian theology, it is also a statement of pedagogical genius. We discuss how, in the things we do in our various vocations, we see “words become flesh,” in other words, we see that ideas are not just ideas, but that they can result in practical transformation. * Quoting Samwise Gamgee from the Lord of the Rings, we see that good books (and good movies, good music, good poems, good art) tell the truth about the human condition. * We hear the story of the Mars Corporation (M&Ms, Dove, Pringles, Pedigree Wiskers), a family-owned company who wanted to honor God and people with their business. Steve was asked to help them think through what it might look like to have a more complex bottom line than just about making money, creating a sustainable business model that seeks the flourishing of all entities in the business ecosystem (from the procuring of chocolate from African farmers, all the way to the end user eating a Snickers bar). * They created the Mutuality of Economics Alliance, a model for business that puts human and environmental flourishing at the heart of value creation. * Oxford University’s Saïd Business School teamed with the Economics of Mutuality group to publish Putting Purpose into Practice: The Economics of Mutuality, which is now free online. * Steve mentioned the book Completing Capitalism: Heal Business to Heal the World by Bruno Roche (chief economist for Mars, Inc.) and Jay Jakub (Senior Director of External Research at Mars Inc.), a practical book that sees capitalism as more complete when generating financial capital is joined with generating human, social, and natural capital. Scroll down to learn more about Steven Garber. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Steven Garber Steven Garber served as the Professor of Marketplace Theology at Regent College for several years. He also served as adjunct professor of the Doctor of Ministry in Faith, Vocation, and Culture at Covenant Theological Seminary (where he mentored Bob as he researched how to reintegrate the mission of God with the mission of human vocations). Garber is also the author of Visions of Vocation: Common Grace for the Common Good, The Seamless Life: A Tapestry of Love and Learning, Worship and Work, and The Fabric of Faithfulness: Weaving Together Belief and Behavior. Together with his wife Meg, he lives near children and grandchildren in Virginia. Support independent booksellers! Purchase any of the books mentioned above from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

Christians are struggling with how to live like Jesus in a violent world. Influencers, politicians, and political pundits are telling us that we need to fight to take America back. When, in the midst of an ever-increasing culture war, we hear that Jesus advocates for radical change not through waging war but by waging peace, many of us roll our eyes and think, “Pie in the sky thinking.” Easter week is the culmination of the earthly ministry of Jesus. Our guest, Jason Porterfield, has written a book about Holy Week that will shake us out of our lethargy about hoping for peace. He is the author of a fantastic book, titled, Fight Like Jesus: How Jesus Waged Peace throughout Holy Week (Herald Press, 2022), an award-winning book that equips readers with practical peacemaking skills as it examines how Jesus waged peace on each day of Holy Week. Scroll down to learn more about Jason Porterfield Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Jason Porterfield Jason Porterfield’s passion is to cultivate God’s shalom peace wherever it is painfully absent and to help churches embrace their peacemaking vocation. Jason is with a ministry called Servants, an international network of Christian communities living and ministering among the urban poor. He was a founding member of the Servants team in Vancouver, started a new team in Indonesia, and was the director of operations for North America. Jason holds a Master in Theology from Fuller Theological Seminary. Support independent booksellers! We recommend purchasing Jason’s book from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

N. T. Wright is perhaps the most influential New Testament scholar of our generation. He is an Anglican bishop, having served as the Bishop of Durham and as a Lord Spiritual in the UK Parliament. He then became a research professor of New Testament and Early Christianity at St Mary’s College at the University of St Andrews in Scotland, and later a senior research fellow at Wycliffe Hall at Oxford. Bishop Wright is the author of over seventy books, many of which are highly regarded as top academic scholarship. But his influence on regular run-of-the-mill Christians is greatest through his many books written at a more popular level, including the three books Simply Christian, Simply Jesus, and After You Believe, which guide readers in faith and Christian living. And, of course, Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church. In that groundbreaking book, Tom Wright dismantled the narrative we all assumed was the gospel story: that we are saved in order to go to heaven. He wrote that our hope for the future is our physical resurrection to live with God in the New Heavens and New Earth. This new book, God’s Homecoming: The Forgotten Promise of Future Renewal (HarperOne, 2025), almost serves as a sequel to that. He returns to the grand narrative of the Bible and explains that God’s promise has always been that he would dwell with humans in a renewed creation. God’s home has been, and always will be, with us. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Support independent booksellers! Please consider purchasing Tom Wright’s books from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

Many of us find the Old Testament difficult to understand. Some find it incomprehensible, and some find it difficult to square with our modern sensibilities. We wonder if the Old Testament is irrelevant. Or we try to understand it and find it so confusing that we give up trying to read it. Our guest is one of the most influential Old Testament scholars of this generation. John Walton has spent his career engaging deeply with the Old Testament’s text and understands the ancient context in which it was written. His latest book is Old Testament Theology for Christians: From Ancient Context to Enduring Belief (InterVarsity Press, 2025). In it, he invites us to leave our modern, and even our inherited Christian, preconceptions at the threshold as we enter the world of the Old Testament. We discuss: * How the New Testament writers viewed the Old Testament, and the danger of shirking our desire to understand it. * That since the Old Testament was written for us, it was not written to us. To fully comprehend the way that it is for us, we have to do whatever it takes to join the author’s implied audience. We discuss the importance of delving into both the cultural and literary contexts. * The Israelites swam in the “cultural rivers” of the Mesopotamian and Egyptian religious ideas. Does this mean that the Old Testament is just a flawed human creation because it was influenced by its Ancient Near Eastern context? * From the beginning, God’s intention has always been to dwell among his people and to be in relationship with them. Not only that, God makes plans and has purposes, and includes humans in his plan as fellow workers. How can this foundational relationship principle help us grasp all the stories of the Old Testament? * As Christians, we think the focus of faith is on salvation and eternal life. Therefore, we define our identity in those terms: “I’m saved and heaven bound.” The Israelites didn’t see it that way. The substance of their faith was something else. What can we learn about authentic faith from their view of their relationship with God? Scroll down to learn more about John Walton. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. John H. Walton, Ph.D. Dr. John H. Walton (PhD, Hebrew Union College) is professor of Old Testament, emeritus, at Wheaton College and Graduate School. His many books include “The Lost World” series, which includes the influential book, The Lost World of Genesis One. He has written commentaries on Genesis, Job, Daniel, and Jonah. He is also the co-editor (with Craig S. Keener) of the Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible. Support independent booksellers! We recommend purchasing John’s books from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

Whether you’re single or married, young or old, finding and keeping meaningful and genuine personal relationships is what we all desire. In our digital age, relationship building is not easy. Young people are finding people to date on apps, and they are communicating with friends on social media. No matter whether you're married or single, we all need to understand how to have healthy relationships. College chaplain Erin Moniz is deeply attuned to the questions and concerns of today’s emerging adults. In her new book, Knowing and Being Known: Hope for All Our Intimate Relationships (IVP, 2025), she explores the essential elements of healthy relationships, addresses the complexities of intimacy, and shines a light on the barriers that can impede genuine connection. What we discuss in this episode: * The secular culture says that the two key benchmarks of full adulthood are (1) Autonomy, and (2) Sexual Activity. * But the sad truth is that this hypersexuality and romance idolatry has seeped into the church. We still see adulthood in these categories, though they're framed slightly differently. * We begin to reimagine a theology that emphasizes the importance of intimacy in all our relationships (with God and with our fellow humans). * The Fall introduced shame into our relationships. Shame is destructive and is not the same as guilt or conviction. * Erin explains how vulnerability is the currency of intimacy. * While marriage and family remain important, the church and other ministries need to focus on what true friendship is and how to develop friends. Scroll down to learn more about Erin Moniz. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends! Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Rev. Erin F. Moniz Rev. Erin F. Moniz (DMin, Trinity School for Ministry) is a deacon in the Anglican Church in North America and Associate Chaplain and Director for Chapel at Baylor University, where she disciples emerging adults and journeys with them toward healthy, gospel-centered relationships. Support independent booksellers! We recommend purchasing Erin’s book from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

What kind of boss will you be remembered as being? We all get a "Sentence." When they think of you, how will they finish this sentence: "I used to work at such-and-such company, and my boss was..." Bob Robinson and David Loughney talk with Dr. Chip Roper. He is the Founder and President of the VOCA Center. The VOCA Center is a faith-based organization that brings God's wisdom to your work through teaching, coaching, and leadership development. It recently partnered with the Barna Group to conduct a research survey to discover what brings joy and what brings challenges in the contemporary workplace. Listen to the whole podcast here. Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

How do we get beyond the competition we often see among different Christian ministries and work together for God’s glory and Kingdom? Churches and nonprofits are all seeking people’s attention, their participation, and especially their funding. But they do so from a scarcity mindset, believing that any funding directed to one organization or church is funding taken away from their own. We all like to say that we work for the same Lord Jesus and for the sake of His kingdom, but in practice, we compete with each other. Into this fray comes Dr. Angie Ward, professor of leadership and ministry at Denver Seminary. She is a leadership author and teacher with nearly 30 years of experience in church, parachurch, and Christian higher education ministry. Her new book is Beyond Church and Parachurch: From Competition to Missional Extension (InterVarsity Press, 2025). In our conversation, Angie Ward offers a new blueprint for churches and all other Christian ministries toward a unified future. In our conversation, * Dr. Ward provides a comprehensive definition of “church.” * She explains why it is essential that we see the church in terms of the people of God united to participate in God’s mission in a variety of ways. * She provides a new paradigm: “Missional Extensions.” This terminology helps us understand how various Christian ministries function and interact. * She provides practical ideas for ministries to cease competing and to start collaborating. Scroll down to learn more about Angie Ward. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends. Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Dr. Angie Ward Angie Ward (PhD, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) is the Director of the Doctor of Ministry Program and Associate Professor of Leadership and Ministry at Denver Seminary. In addition to Beyond Church and Parachurch, she is the author of Uncharted Leadership: 20 Case Studies to Help Ministry Leaders Adapt to Uncertainty (Zondervan, 2023) and I Am a Leader: When Women Discover the Joy of Their Calling (NavPress, 2020). Angie loves running, basketball, humor, and movies. She and her husband live in a college neighborhood in Denver. They have two young adult sons and one very spoiled beagle. Support independent booksellers! We recommend purchasing these books from Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-3333. Ask for 20% OFF by mentioning that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast! Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

God did not create work to be drudgery, but due to the effects of the Fall and our sinfulness, work can definitely not be what it should be. But that does not mean that work is all bad. In fact, work is where we often find purpose and joy. Dr. Chip Roper is the Founder and President of the VOCA Center. The VOCA Center is a faith-based organization that brings God's wisdom to your work through teaching, coaching, and leadership development. It recently partnered with the Barna Group to conduct a research survey to discover what brings joy and what brings challenges in the contemporary workplace. This “Life@Work 2025 Report” is free to download here. Our conversation with Chip Roper: * We discuss practical strategies to increase joy at work for both workers and leaders. * The study discovered that the majority of U.S. adult workers (7 out of 10) say that they experience joy more than half the time they’re at work. * What brings us joy at work includes (1) work relationships, (2) our achievements and purpose, and (3) helping others and making a difference. * Workers who derive their primary satisfaction from helping others are nearly 3 times more likely to experience high levels of joy compared to those motivated primarily by financial rewards. * Gen Z and Millennial workers seek meaning beyond the paycheck and find joy in helping others in and through their work. * While relationships with people bring joy at work, what’s ironic is that this is the same category that scored high on what creates challenges at work. Scroll down to learn more about Chip Roper. Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends. Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Dr. Chip Roper Dr. Chip Roper is the Chief Solutions Officer and President of the VOCA Center. He earned a Doctorate of Ministry from Missio Seminary and an Executive Coaching Certification from Columbia University. He coaches business leaders, drawing on his 30-plus years of experience in Profit & Loss leadership. Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

The way of Jesus is for organizations to nurture flourishing individuals and societies. But many of us have experienced the devastating effects of a toxic work environment. This is not the way God meant organizations to run. From the ancient Old Testament Scriptures and the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles, everything in life is meant for universal flourishing, or Shalom. Our guest is Dr. Justin Irving, Professor of Christian Leadership at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. His newest book is titled, Healthy Leadership for Thriving Organizations: Creating Contexts Where People Flourish (Baker Academic, 2024), In it, he provides theological foundations for healthy Christian leadership in for-profit corporations, nonprofits, and churches. He also provides insights from interviewing over 200 executive leaders. In our discussion, we discuss: * Leadership for human flourishing * Cultivating healthy teams * Delegation for the good of the people we lead and for the organization * What hinders good organizational communication * How to measure how healthy an organizational culture is * How to be sure that every aspect of an organization aligns with the organization’s values and beliefs In our conversation, we discussed the Good Place Operating System (GPOS), from The Good Place Institute, for which Bob Robinson is a Partner Consultant. The GPOS is a systematic approach to clearly stating a purpose and mission in a charter, to build all the systems in an organization to align with the charter, and then to measure success on business dashboards. If you’d like to explore implementing an operating system meant for kingdom purposes in which people are valued, communities flourish, and profits are made for these regenerative purposes, connect with Bob by emailing him at [email protected] . Scroll down to learn more about Justin Irving. Subscribe to the podcast on your favorite app: Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends. Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Dr. Justin Irving After serving for 20 years at Bethel Seminary in a variety of faculty and administrative roles, Dr. Justin Irving now serves as Professor of Leadership, Chair of the Department of Leadership and Discipleship, and Director of the Ed.D. program at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, KY. Check out his Purpose in Leadership blog. Dr. Irving is a member at Sojourn Church Midtown in Louisville, Kentucky. He is married to Tasha, and they have five children. Would you consider buying Dr. Irving’s books from independent booksellers Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore? They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-333. Mention that you heard about the book on the Reintegrate Podcast and get 20% off. Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

Some people are lucky enough to get paid to do what they love. But many are not. In You Have a Calling: Finding Your Vocation in the True, Good, and Beautiful, (Brazos Press, 2025), award-winning author Karen Swallow Prior has encouraging news: If you pursue the good, true, and beautiful in all your work, you will find your greatest fulfillment. In this conversation, we discuss: * The difference between passion and calling. How does this help us make vocational decisions? * What are the various callings we have, not just in our 9-to-5, but in all of life? * How does our context determine our callings, including when and where we live, who is in our lives, and what needs arise? * How are our callings from outside ourselves, often in the service to others? * How can we find meaning in every role, regardless of what our career is? * How can we reintegrate our vocational lives through truth, goodness, and beauty? Our discussion will help anyone and everyone who wants to know that our daily work, ordinary though it may be, can fulfill a higher calling to God. You will gain a renewed sense of purpose, knowing you are created for virtue in all that you do. Scroll down to learn more about Karen Prior. Subscribe to the podcast on your favorite app: Thanks for listening! If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it with your friends. Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Dr. Karen Swallow Prior Dr. Karen Swallow Prior is the 2025-26 Karlson Scholar at Bethel Seminary. She has been a reader and a writer her entire life. She earned her PhD in English from the State University of New York at Buffalo. She has taught at Liberty University and Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. She has written or co-written several books, including study guides for some of the greatest books in British literature. Would you consider buying Karen’s books from independent booksellers Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore? They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-333. Mention that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast and get 20% off. Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe

After another day of trying to meet deadlines and working on projects, you’re again dissatisfied with how much you did or how well you did it. Then you go home, grab a bite to eat, and then go to your kid’s concert or sporting event. When you come back home, you see that big house chore that has been waiting for weeks. You sigh and drop into bed thinking, “What’s wrong with me? Why can’t I get more done?” We are constantly colliding with our limitations. And we think that it is because we are fallen, sinful people. But what if? What if our limitations are a gift from God, that this is part of the very good part of being a created being? What if we are not supposed to carry the burden of trying to be something we are not and cannot be? Our guest on this episode is theologian Dr. Kelly M. Kapic. He’s written a book that addresses this guilt we all experience when we feel that we should always be doing one more thing. Its title is You’re Only Human: How Your Limits Reflect God’s Design and Why that’s Good News (Brazos, 2022). This book has won a number of awards, including Christianity Today’s Book of the Year award in the category of Popular Theology. Scroll down to learn more about Kelly Kapic. Subscribe to the podcast on your favorite app: Thanks for listening! Please share this podcast with your friends. Your hosts are Dr. Bob Robinson and David Loughney. For further resources on reintegrating all of life with God’s mission, go to re-integrate.org. Dr. Kelly M. Kapic Kelly M. Kapic is Professor of Theological Studies at Covenant College, where he has taught since 2001. With a PhD in Systematic and Historical Theology from King’s College University of London, Kapic has written or edited over fifteen books. His earlier work includes Embodied Hope: A Theological Meditation on Pain and Suffering, A Little Book For New Theologians: Why and How to Study Theology, and The God Who Gives: How the Trinity Shapes the Christian Story. He also completed two volumes with the economist Brian Fikkert: Becoming Whole: Why the Opposite of Poverty isn’t the American Dream and A Field Guide to Becoming Whole: Principles for Poverty Alleviation Ministries. His upcoming release will be Christian Life (in the New Studies in Dogmatics series of books from ‎Zondervan Academic). We recommend purchasing these books from independent booksellers Byron and Beth Borger at Hearts & Minds Bookstore. They are eager to serve God’s people with great books. Order online through their secure server or call 717-246-333. Mention that you heard about these books on the Reintegrate Podcast and get 20% off. Get full access to Bob Robinson’s Substack at bobrobinsonre.substack.com/subscribe