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We kick things off today with a blind reaction to the new Narnia trailer (we have thoughts), before getting into some more serious questions about spiritual abuse and biblical discernment. Reflecting on our conversation with Liz Gregory from the Gloriavale Leavers Support Trust, Laura and I chat about red flags in Christian communities, how Scripture can be twisted or used to control people, and why asking questions doesn’t automatically mean you have a “critical spirit.” We also talk about the responsibility of church leaders, why we need to know God’s Word for ourselves, and how to recognise when something isn’t quite right. The goal isn’t to become suspicious of every church or pick apart every Sunday service, but to grow in discernment, test what we’re taught against Scripture, and keep our eyes on Jesus. A little Narnia, a little serious conversation, and plenty to think about! Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 00:00 - Coming up 00:53 - Welcome & Introduction 01:20 - Blind Reaction to the New Narnia Trailer 10:35 - Outsider Retreat Update 11:31 - Recapping Our Conversation with Liz Gregory 12:02 - Leaving Gloriavale: Laura's Initial Thoughts 15:31 - Recognising Spiritual Abuse in Christian Communities 17:32 - Red Flags of Cults and Controlling Churches 22:27 - How Scripture Gets Misused: Ephesians 5:22 28:01 - God's Care for Gloriavale Leavers 29:10 - The Higher Calling and Responsibility of Church Leaders 32:09 - Questioning Leaders vs. Having a Critical Spirit 34:23 - Are We Seeking Truth or Just What We Want to Hear? 35:43 - How to Recognise Counterfeit Christianity 36:37 - Should We Critique Our Sunday Church Services? 37:51 - Honouring Pastors While Holding to Scripture 38:55 - Sexual Abuse and the Misuse of Religious Authority 44:30 - Infertility, Faith and Trusting God 46:48 - Should Churches Be as Intentional About Reaching People as Cults Are? 47:53 - The Church Is More Than a Sunday Gathering 50:15 - Go to Jesus: Keeping Our Eyes on Him 51:53 - Live Your Faith Outside of Sunday Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

What does it take to help someone leave Gloriavale - and what happens once they’re out? In this episode, we’re joined by Liz Gregory from the Gloriavale Leavers Trust, who shares the remarkable story of a network of Christians working behind the scenes to help people leave the religious fundamentalist NZ cult: Gloriavale. Through secret phones, late-night conversations and a commitment to sharing the gospel, this network has helped people find a way out and a new beginning. Since the Trust began, they have supported more than 300 people leaving Gloriavale - but leaving is only the beginning. We talk about the challenges of starting again, learning to make decisions, rebuilding relationships and discovering what healthy Christian community looks like. Liz also shares why it’s so important to understand the difference between genuine biblical faith and spiritual control, alongside her own journey through infertility and the experiences that have shaped her work. This is a fascinating, moving conversation about freedom, faith and walking alongside people as they rebuild their lives. ❤️ Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.  0:00 - Introducing Liz Gregory & the Gloriavale Leavers Trust 1:53 - What Is Gloriavale? Understanding Life Inside the Community 4:50 - Leaving Gloriavale: Liz’s Journey to Helping Members Escape 14:20 - Helping Gloriavale Members: Night Raids, Phones & Evangelism 18:40 - Why More Third-Generation Members Are Leaving Gloriavale 21:40 - Life Inside Gloriavale: Love, Control & Claims of Being the One True Church 26:01 - Life After Gloriavale: Rebuilding Identity, Making Decisions & Finding Freedom 33:33 - How Do People Escape Gloriavale? 36:55 - Has Helping Gloriavale Leavers Challenged Liz’s Faith? 38:30 - Cult Chat, Understanding the Gospel & Recognising Spiritual Abuse 46:08 - Healthy Biblical Community vs Spiritual Abuse: How to Recognise the Difference 48:33 - Church Tribalism, Cults in New Zealand & Warning Signs of a Cult 57:13 - What Encourages Liz? Her Infertility Journey & Working for the Leavers Trust 1:13:42 - The One That Got Away 1:15:13 - Why Do Some Gloriavale Leavers Return? 1:17:12 - What Does Liz Hope Will Change at Gloriavale? 1:21:30 - Deprogramming After a Cult: Helping Gloriavale Leavers Rebuild Their Lives 1:23:20 - How to Help Yourself or Your Child Leave a Cult 1:27:33 - Supporting the Gloriavale Leavers Trust 1:29:10 - How Do You Live Your Faith Outside of Sunday? Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this Insights episode, Laura and I reflect on Part 2 of our conversation with Bob McCoskrie, chatting about everything from Christian perspectives on politics and voting to independent media, social media algorithms, and whether our faith is shaping our worldview or the other way around. We also get into what it means to endure through difficult seasons, stand firm in our convictions, and raise children who will hold on to their faith even when it’s not the popular choice. Whether it’s politics, the media we consume, or the pressures of living out our faith, we hope this conversation encourages you to think biblically, practise discernment, and keep following Jesus through it all! Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 00:00 Introduction 04:11 Should Christians Watch LDS Films? Faith, Discernment & Entertainment 09:02 Recapping Part 2 of Our Conversation with Bob McCoskrie 09:42 Value Your Vote: A Christian Voting Resource 11:27 Should Christians Split Their Vote? 11:42 Political Fatigue: Are We Over Politics? 13:26 Independent Media & Finding New Ways to Get Information 15:21 Is Christian Bias a Good Thing? 15:44 Is Your Faith or Your Algorithm Shaping Your Worldview? 16:42 Should Christians Stay Out of Politics? 19:49 Bob McCoskrie on Enduring Through the Fire 20:12 What Is the Baptism of Fire? 22:00 How Do We Endure in Our Christian Faith? 25:19 Is Being Cancelled a Badge of Honour? 26:22 Should Churches Talk About Politics? 29:38 Christian Parenting: Preparing Our Children to Stand Firm 34:39 New Zealand's Proposed Social Media Ban for Under-16s 38:24 The Six O'Clock News & Media Influence 39:30 Laura's Final Thoughts: The Importance of Discernment 40:13 Christa's Final Thoughts: Endure Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In Part 2 of our chat with Bob McCoskrie from Family First, Bob has a warning for Christians in New Zealand: “The culture is turning up the heat on Christianity.” We chat about the growing challenges facing Christians, why speaking up about our faith matters, and what it looks like to stand firm in biblical truth when it’s not always popular. If you haven’t listened to Part 1 yet, click here to catch up! We get into some big topics, from the nuclear family and gender ideology to immigration, multiculturalism, cancel culture and how the media has changed. Should Christians get involved in politics? How do we make informed decisions when it comes to voting? And what does Bob think about the under-16s social media ban? There’s plenty to unpack! But it’s not all about the challenges. We also ask Bob what gives him hope for New Zealand and, of course, how he lives out his faith outside of Sunday. We hope this conversation gets you thinking, encourages you to stand firm in your faith, and reminds you that we all have a part to play in the world around us. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 - Coming up  0:39 - Is New Zealand Woke? Politicians, Culture & Christian Values 4:37 - Is Becoming a Minority Christian Nation a Good Thing? 6:07 - “The Culture Is Turning Up the Heat on Christians” 9:39 - Why Christians Shouldn’t Back Down from Their Faith 13:08 - “It’s an Attack on the Nuclear Family” 14:04 - Is Gender Ideology on the Decline? 16:47 - Bob McCoskrie on Immigration in New Zealand 17:27 - Is Multiculturalism a Myth? 23:10 - Should Christians Get Involved in Politics? 32:07 - Cancel Culture: Are Christians Being Targeted? 32:43 - How the Media Has Changed in New Zealand 36:32 - Bob McCoskrie on the Under-16s Social Media Ban 44:27 - How Should Christians Decide Who to Vote For? 49:47 - What Gives Bob McCoskrie Hope for New Zealand? 50:35 - How to Live Out Your Christian Faith Outside of Sunday Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

Welcome back to another Insights episode with Christa and Laura, where we chat about what’s happening in the online Christian space and unpack some of the big ideas from our recent conversation with Bob McCoskrie from Family First. Click here to listen to part 1 of that convo... Now, this week we’re talking about Christian blessings and boldness - from why church still matters and the incredible benefits of being part of a Christian community, to whether Christians have become hesitant to openly live out their faith. We talk about bringing Scripture into politics, some fascinating research around church attendance and s*xual satisfaction, and what it looks like to keep following God when our faith is tested. We also catch up on Seeking Persephone and reflect on what it means to be unashamed of our faith, even when standing for what we believe comes with a cost. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 - Coming up 0:52 – Welcome & Introduction 1:52 – What’s Happening in the Online Christian Space 6:46 – Catching Up on Seeking Persephone 12:36 – Recap: Bob McCoskrie & Family First 16:54 – Is It Wrong to Leave Scripture Out of Politics? 19:32 – Does Going to Church Still Matter? 32:16 – Church Attendance & Sexual Satisfaction: What Does the Research Say?37:02 – Have Christians Become Ashamed of Their Faith? 42:09 – Are Christians in a Time of Testing? 48:34 – It’s Not About Winning: Staying Faithful to God Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

This week we're joined by Bob McCoskrie from Family First New Zealand. But before the public debates, the advocacy work and 20 years of Family First, there was a young man with a heart for ministry, a love of radio and a passion for reaching people with the truth. Bob takes us back to life before Family First, sharing his Christian testimony, his years working with young people, and how burnout and a growing awareness of the need for a voice for families began to shape his journey. We chat about the temptation to compromise our Christian convictions, recognising when seasons come to an end, and how Family First came to be. We also get into why putting family first matters, whether Christianity is under attack in New Zealand, and the personal impact of the many battles, hits and losses Bob has experienced along the way. It's an honest and encouraging conversation about faith, standing firm in your convictions and seeking the Lord's direction through every season. Thank you for watching - I hope this episode blesses you! Part 2 out 13 October. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.  0:00 - Coming Up 1:10 - Welcome & Introducing Bob McCoskrie from Family First NZ 3:17 - Bob's Life Before Family First 5:04 - Recognising the Need for a Voice for Families & Experiencing Burnout 6:17 - Bob’s First Love: Radio and Broadcasting 10:26 - Bob’s Christian Testimony & Journey of Faith 15:40 - A “Boring” vs “Messy” Christian Testimony 18:10 - The Temptation to Compromise Your Christian Values 23:10 - Recognising When a Season Has Come to an End 26:12 - How Family First New Zealand Began 29:30 - Why Does Putting Family First Matter? 32:38 - Is Christianity Under Attack in New Zealand? 35:35 - The Impact of Family First’s Battles on Bob Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this Insights episode, we’re starting with a look at what’s going on in the online Christian space and chatting about our new favourite show! Then we’re getting into our reflections on Part 2 of our chat with Nathan Seulei from Pillar NZ, looking at social media, screens, parenting and patriotism - and what all of these things can look like through a Christian lens. We unpack the conversation around the social media ban for under-16s, the impact of screens on children and family life, and our own experiences of trying to create a healthier relationship with technology. We also talk about what it means to love New Zealand and be patriotic as a Christian, while remembering that our ultimate allegiance is to God. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Coming Up | Social Media, Screens & Patriotism 0:30 – Welcome | Outside of Sunday Insights 1:07 – Listen to Part 2 with Nathan Seulei from Pillar NZ 1:35 – Join Us for the 2026 Outside of Sunday Retreat 2:12 – Katie Taylor Enters the Ring to “All Hail King Jesus” 5:43 – Our New Favourite Show | What We’re Watching 11:41 – Reflecting on Part 2 with Nathan Seulei | Finding Hope 12:35 – Supporting Your Spouse & Having a Godly Marriage 16:10 – Under-16s Social Media Ban | What Do We Think? 19:10 – Screens, Phones & Children | Our Thoughts on Screen Time 21:10 – Reduced Screen Time in Schools | New Zealand Policy 29:05 – Patriotism & Loving New Zealand as a Christian 29:31 – Should Christians Be Patriotic? | Faith & Patriotism 33:52 – Final Thoughts & Encouragement | It Starts With Us Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

Hey Outsiders! We're back with Part 2 of our conversation with Nathan Seiuli from Pillar NZ. If you haven't already listened to part 1 - click here! We’re diving deeper into New Zealand politics, faith and freedom - from the role of the media and the proposed under-16 social media ban, to Pillar’s advocacy work and its views on abortion and euthanasia. Nathan also shares why Christians shouldn’t put all their hope in politics or a Christian government, how we can stay engaged without becoming consumed by politics, and how Nathan lives his faith outside of Sunday. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Coming Up | Nathan Seuili & Pillar NZ 1:05 – Media Consumption & Why the 4th Estate Matters 4:10 – What Is New Zealand’s Under-16 Social Media Ban? 13:31 – Why Do We Get So Excited About New Ideas? 16:35 – Nathan Seuili on Tall Poppy Syndrome in New Zealand 19:22 – What Does Pillar NZ’s Advocacy Work Look Like? 23:05 – Is Pillar NZ a Christian Organisation? 25:44 – Can Christians Thrive Without a Christian Government? 28:27 – Pillar NZ on Abortion, Euthanasia & the Value of Life 30:31 – Nathan Seuili & Pillar NZ’s Relationship with Family First 32:40 – Coming to Auckland & Counting the Cost 36:09 – Politically Engaged vs Politically Consumed 39:19 – What Could NZ look like in 10 Years? 42:53 – How Does Nathan Seuili Live His Faith Outside of Sunday? Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

Click here to register for the Outsider Retreat, or here to register for the Saturday only.  In this Insights episode, Laura and I unpack some of the key themes from part 1 of Nathan Seiuli’s interview, including speaking truth to power, the responsibility that comes with influence, and what it looks like to engage with politics without letting it consume us. We chat about how power can often corrupt, why people in positions of influence need others who are willing to remind them of the truth, and the importance of speaking God’s truth in love. We also talk about our own responsibility as Christians, including how we respond to the things we can’t control and how our vote can be one way we communicate what we value. 💛 Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 - Coming up 0:40 – Welcome & Intro 1:57 – Laura Reacts to a Viral Christian Clip 4:22 – Recap of Part 1 with Nathan 5:12 – Being a High School Dropout 8:19 – Not Living for Politics 8:47 – God Using People in Unique Ways 11:11 – Our Struggles with Speaking 13:19 – We All Have Individual Gifts 15:15 – From Christian Ministry to Supporting Democracy 16:36 – A Kiwi, Not American, Flavour of Politics 17:33 – Nathan Inspired to Speak Up “For Such a Time as This” 18:38 – The Power of a Conversation & 30 Seconds of Bravery 21:38 – Pillar Bridging a Gap 23:24 – What Does “Speaking Truth to Power” Mean? 25:19 – Where Did “Speaking Truth to Power” Come From? 28:49 – We Can Also Speak Truth to Power — In Love 30:05 – Personal Responsibility 36:41 – Finishing Well Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

What happens when God takes you somewhere you never expected to go? In Part 1 of our conversation with Nathan Seiuli from Pillar NZ, we hear the story behind how Nathan went from working in church ministry, to the Free Speech Union, and eventually to founding Pillar NZ. Nathan shares about his Christian background, the unexpected doors that opened for him in political spaces and the media, and why he believes Christians can have a meaningful voice in places of influence. We chat about faith, politics, civil liberties, speaking truth, the importance of living with integrity and faithfulness, and what it means to trust God with the opportunities He puts in front of us. And perhaps one of the biggest challenges Nathan shares is this: it's not just about doing well now...  it's about finishing well. There's plenty more to unpack so make sure you're back for Part 2 on Tuesday!  Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.  0:59 – Welcome | Outside of Sunday Podcast 01:39 – Who Is Nathan Seuili & What Is Pillar NZ? | Civil Liberties & Freedom 02:44 – From Church Ministry to Pillar NZ | Nathan’s Ministry Journey 08:49 – Nathan Seuili’s Christian Background & Faith Journey 12:55 – From Free Speech Union to Founding Pillar NZ  15:23 – Why Politics? Why Should Christians Engage in the Public Square? 18:19 – Speaking Truth to Politicians | Faith, Influence & Christian Convictions 26:14 – The Grace of God & Learning to Finish Well 28:17 – Pillar NZ’s Goals | Civil Liberties, Democracy & the Next Generation 30:35 – Is Pillar NZ a New Zealand Take on American Politics? 33:53 – The Treaty of Waitangi, Democracy & New Zealand’s History 35:54 – Engaging With the New Zealand Media | Why the Fourth Estate Matters Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this Insights episode, Laura and I unpack some of the big themes from Emma Robinson’s interview - from hospitality and opening our homes to others, to the much harder questions we wrestle with when life doesn’t go the way we hoped. Laura talks about spending time in the Word and shares about her miscarriage. We also discuss infertility, grief and the question “What happens to babies who die in the womb?”, as well as what it looks like to trust God when we don’t understand why something has happened. We chat about finding peace in the middle of pain, caring well for friends who are grieving, and remembering that our purpose isn’t dependent on whether we become a Mum, a wife, or achieve the plans we had for our lives. It’s a deep one, but we hope it points you back to the goodness, nearness and faithfulness of God. 💛 Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.  0:00 – Coming Up 0:40 – Welcome & Recap 2:23 – Laura’s Initial Thoughts 2:43 – Troll Comments 4:52 – The July Bible Challenge & Prioritising Time in the Word 12:19 – Hospitality & Opening Our Homes 20:00 – Christa’s Highlights from the Episode 22:07 – Is There a Reason for Suffering? & How God Brings Good from Suffering 24:22 – Purpose & What We Believe About God 28:48 – Laura Shares About Losing Her Twin Babies in the Womb 31:05 – Have You Ever Experienced God’s Perfect Peace? 34:33 – What NOT to Say to Someone Who Has Miscarried 37:00 – You Are Still a Mum, Even If You’ve Never Birthed a Living Baby 38:00 – Are Miscarried Babies Growing Up in Heaven? 47:10 – Closing Comments from Christa Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In Part 2 of my conversation with Emma Robinson, we’re getting into some of the harder and more faith-stretching parts of her story - learning to pray bold prayers while still trusting God with the outcome, navigating seasons of waiting, and finding purpose even when life doesn’t look the way you hoped it would. We also talk about the words that can hurt when you’re walking through infertility, and why sometimes simply showing up, listening and acknowledging someone’s loss can mean so much. We also dive into Emma’s calling to speak and preach, what it has looked like navigating ministry as a woman when others don’t share the same convictions - people have even walked out while she was speaking. Through all of it, Emma’s heart is to follow God’s call, use the gifts He’s given her and point people back to Jesus. I loved this conversation and I hope it encourages you today! Click here to watch this episode on YouTube and click here to listen to part 1. 00:00 – Part 2: Welcome back & Emma’s journey continues 02:00 – Finding peace in the middle of unanswered prayer 05:00 – Learning to pray bold prayers 08:00 – Trusting God while still hoping for a child 11:00 – The comments that can hurt during infertility 14:00 – Showing up, listening & remembering the loss 17:00 – IVF, waiting & not putting life on hold 21:00 – Finding purpose beyond the dream you’re waiting for 25:00 – Emma’s calling to speak & preach 29:00 – Being a woman in ministry when others disagree 34:00 – “I’ve had people walk out” — navigating opposition 37:00 – Using your gifts for God’s glory 40:00 – Jesus Time & learning to hear God through His Word 42:00 – How Emma lives her faith outside of Sunday Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this episode, Laura and I are taking you behind the scenes of the Thinking Matters No Rivals conference in Auckland! We chat about some of our highlights from the weekend - from meeting the next generation of Christian thinkers to hearing from speakers like Annaliese and Nic Blackie, Dave Mann, Dr Luke Barnes and Abdu Murray, and recording some really great conversations along the way. More than anything, we left the weekend so encouraged by what God is doing in the Christian space here in New Zealand. We talk about the importance of knowing why we believe what we believe, equipping the next generation, reaching people rather than rejecting them, and being willing to engage our nation with the gospel. We hope this episode leaves you encouraged and looking forward to the episode to come - we can't wait to share them with you!! Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Why we’re doing things differently this week 1:05 – Behind the scenes & Thinking Matters highlights 3:35 – Equipping the next generation 5:15 – Reaching the Muslim community with the gospel 8:55 – Encouragement from Outside of Sunday listeners 10:45 – Why Christian camps matter 13:15 – The value of human life, abortion & the hope of Christ 18:15 – Dave Mann, Hope Project & why NZ needs the gospel 22:20 – From Christian nation to post-Christian NZ? 24:20 – Why apologetics matter 27:50 – The case for a Creator: science, reason & God 31:35 – Abdu Murray’s journey to faith 34:00 – The moments that made me cry 35:15 – Why we can be encouraged by what God is doing 37:00 – Why Thinking Matters matters & final encouragement Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

What happens when the life you thought you’d have doesn’t go according to plan? In this episode, I’m sitting down with Emma Robinson from Your Jesus Time to hear her story of growing up in a Christian home, coming to personally understand the gospel, studying at Bible college, meeting her husband, and finding your purpose in God.  Emma also shares vulnerably about her journey of trying to start a family, the questions and disappointment that came with waiting, and the moment she realised that her purpose couldn’t be dependent on becoming a mum. Then, in a deeply moving part of her story, she shares about losing her baby during the launch week of Your Jesus Time - and the unexplainable peace she and her husband experienced in the middle of their grief. This is a conversation about disappointment, purpose, lament, hope, and what it looks like to trust that God is still faithful when you can’t see what’s next. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. 0:00 – Coming Up: Faith, Pregnancy Loss & Finding Peace 0:40 – Welcome & Introducing Emma Robinson from Your Jesus Time 2:35 – Emma’s Journey to Faith & Growing Up in a Christian Family 4:40 – Moving Countries as a Child & How It Shaped Her Faith 5:30 – The Gift of Christian Hospitality & Opening Your Home 8:40 – From Christian Kid to Truly Following Jesus 12:08 – Bible College, Studying Scripture & Understanding What You Believe 15:30 – University, Communications & Finding Her Calling 16:20 – How Emma Met Her Husband & Their Christian Marriage 18:28 – Emma’s Pregnancy & Infertility Journey 26:35 – Trusting God Through Disappointment & Unanswered Prayers Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.

In this week’s Insights episode, Laura and I are talking honestly about motherhood, postpartum struggles and trusting God through the changing seasons of life. Laura shares her own experience with postpartum depression as we discuss the heartbreaking Lindsay Clancy case, the challenges many new mothers face, and the importance of support, understanding and taking postpartum mental health seriously. We also reflect on the bittersweet reality of seasons coming to an end. As Laura prepares for her youngest child to start school, we talk about motherhood, identity, laying down passions for a season and remembering that the things God has placed in your heart don’t necessarily disappear forever. Motherhood is a season asks a lot from us - but the season isn’t forever. Plus, we unpack the Cory Asbury and Forrest Frank shirtless photo controversy and share our thoughts on modesty, personal responsibility and avoiding judgment. We also discuss what to do when you're facing a big decision and God doesn’t seem to be giving you a clear answer. Wherever you find yourself right now, we hope this conversation encourages you to trust God with the season you’re in - and with whatever comes next. Click here to watch this episode on YouTube.  0:00 - Coming Up 0:35 - Welcome + a special announcement 3:47 - Cory Asbury & Forrest Frank: The shirtless photo controversy 9:28 - What does biblical modesty really mean? 15:20 - Recapping our conversation with Aleisha 16:33 - Laura’s initial thoughts on Aleisha’s story 18:25 - Laura’s stay-at-home mum season is coming to an end 19:55 - What do you do when God doesn’t make the decision clear? 27:40 - Motherhood, sacrifice & laying down your passions for a season 29:34 - The Lindsay Clancy trial: motherhood, tragedy & postpartum mental health 35:53 - Laura shares her experience with postpartum depression 51:53 - Final thoughts: trusting God through every season Support the show Outside of Sunday is part of the Outsider Network and is made with the help of Inspirational Media.