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I invite you to enjoy this conversation with freediving World Champion and record-breaking freediver, Katerina Sadurska of Ukraine. This episode shall serve as the final installment of this four-part series—now we have heard from a total of four World Champion, World Record-holding freedivers. This conversation with Katerina is a breath of fresh air. I feel a particularly feminine touch in her exposition, which brings great balance to the masculine energy of relentlessly striving for more. I use feminine and masculine here not in the biological sense, but rather in the archetypal sense—where both sides lie on the same spectrum, each with equal importance and belonging. We must acknowledge and integrate the masculine and feminine elements of our psyche to live a whole life. It’s both a metaphor and a practical lesson we can apply to our individual process in freediving, to freediving as a collective sport, and in our everyday lives. As such, Katerina’s voice is the keystone of the project, and I am so grateful to her for sharing her brilliant wisdom and gentle touch with us.

Freedivers and nonfreedivers alike! Materialists, minimalists, naturalists, and enhancement…ists!!Here is a fascinating conversation with freediving legend William Trubridge on the future of sport. AI has erupted onto the scene in our modern world! What consequences will AI technology effect on anti-doping in sport? Human enhancements have burst onto the scene! What need have we for anti-doping when doping IS the game? (See….Enhanced Games coming Memorial Day 2026) Will culture choose to embrace AI in all its forms, accepting the consequences both imagined and presently unimagined? Will culture choose to embrace human enhancement in hopes of a healthier global population and aspirations of unseen horizons of human performance?How much say do we have? Is it even up to us at all? Are you willing to take action? How far are you willing to go for the future you want. One thing is for sure: William Trubridge is a man of action in the fight for the future he wants. Whether I agree or disagree with his ideas or methods, he has my respect.Enjoy.PEACE!!

Vitomir Maričić joins Pumacocha Unlimited for a deep dive into the new era of competitive freediving—a new era being ushered in by him, his team, and their students. We discuss what’s changing, what matters most in training, and how elite athletes manage pressure, risk, and unlocking one's full potential. Vitomir is a world champion freediver, coach of several world champions and world record holders, and he owns several Guinness World Records--including his most recent insane 29 minute 3 second breath hold (after breathing up on pure O2). Topics: training philosophy • competition realities • safety • mindset under pressure • the future of the sport • sports psychology • competitive freediving • mental toughness • endurance athletics

1) Devotion 2) Yoga Asana/Stretching 3) Pranayama/Breathwork 4) Yoga Nidra/Relaxation 5) Equalization Practice 6) Visualization 7) Self-belief training 8) Clean Living 9) Sleep and Recovery 10) Humility

Petar Klovar (@petar_klovar) is a multiple time freediving world champion who currently holds absolute world records in two of the four competitive freediving disciplines—the two which do not involve any 'finwear.' He's freediving’s bad boy. He's constantly under attack. No matter what Petar does, people have an opinion. Some watch in awe, some prey on his downfall...while others actively plot it. He’s just too good to be true! If it isn't possible for me, it isn't possible for you! I sat with Petar for two hours to hear his side of the story. Have a listen. Moment of silence for Andrey 0:00-3:20 Petar’s Background 3:20-7:55 Petar’s Current World Records (FIM) 7:58-21:14 Petar’s Current World Records (CNF) 21:15-33:30 On overcoming doubts and negative self-talk 25:00-36:45 “The Hook” 38:00-42:42 Willing to risk health and life 42:45-45:54 Dusty’s “Razor’s Edge” 45:55-53:00 What is Sport? What is Athlete? 53:00-1:05:25 103m CNF World Record Controversy 1:05:25-1:12:40 THE VIDEO/Diver Safety 1:12:45-1:44:30 Enhanced Games 1:44:30-1:51:45 Athlete Drug Testing/Accusations/Suppression 1:51:45-1:58:45 Willing to give one’s life to the things we love 1:58:45-2:06:40 What Petar has learned from friend/coach Vito Maricic 2:06:40 One message to Competitive Freediving Community 2:09:30-2:10:00 PEACE!

On Wednesday morning (9/21), Armenia’s Independence Day, I sat down with Sam to discuss* the state of Armenia and the events which took place last week in Armenia and Yerevan. Including attacks by Azerbaijan on sovereign Armenian land and a subsequent visit by Nancy Pelosi- the highest ranking US official to visit Armenia since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Sam was at Yerablur on Armenia's Independence and was detained by police as was every other civilian at the cemetery, many of whom were parents of fallen soldiers and were beaten and dragged off by the police in anticipation for PM Nikol Pashinyan's ceremonial visit to the cemetery. Some of you will remember Sam from his appearance on the podcast in 2020 after fighting in the 44 day war for Artsakh when we first met in Yerevan shortly after he returned from the front lines near Shushi. Welcome back, Sam (Dustin, The Wind's first guest nearly two years ago) and thank you for sharing your knowledge and opinions. **Mostly I listened while he talked and Sam and he did a wonderful job explaining the current events, the region's history, and his all around thoughts on Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Very happy to share this with Sam.

This week I tell the story of one of the most bizarre days of my entire life. November 18, 2020. On that day I drove my black rental Kia from Goris, Armenia through Lachin Corridor to Stepanakert, Artsakh just one week after war in the region ended at the signing of a "peace treaty". I give my recounting of the day- what I witnessed, how I felt, and a few of my thoughts on the dirty war waged on the people of Artsakh by Azerbaijan and Turkey.

What is it about tragic situations that promotes such strong bonding and prosocial acts within groups of people? Why are we so willing to set aside our self-interest and lay down our lives in the interest of group survival? What lessons can we learn from these hardships that we can carry into our lives during peaceful periods?

Dustin, The Wind. welcomes our first guest!! Sam is a Armenian local living in Yerevan his entire life. His family has history in Artsakh, living there until the previous was broke out in the 90's forcing his family to flee. We talked about life in Armenia, what it means to be Armenian, and about his time fighting on the front lines of this war. Sam is a translator, he works in hospitality, he is trying to start his own hotel/ tour guide company, and he is a soldier- a defender of his homeland.

Dusty talks about his adventure through Nagorno-Karabakh-the area being fought for during the war, his weekend in Dilijan, and partying with Russian mafia (not really).

Dusty drinks Armenian wine, raves about Armenia, goodness of people, and travel. To donate to families affected here in Armenia Venmo my friend, the amazing @msarkisian and follow her Instagram @sarkisii

Dusty talks about his upcoming travel plans to report on the conflict in Armenia and gives the scoop on his 5-day water fast.