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TWO lead singers?? Natasha Gray and Becky Fontaine join Shawna to discuss their song, “Body Count.” Also: balancing the dark and the light, getting treats for answering questions, (not) being punk enough, how there’s no one way to be in a band, and more. I heard a songwriting story about Sonic Youth once - no idea if it’s true. KIM GORDON CAN YOU CONFIRM?? SHOW LINKS: If you or someone you know needs help: https://humantraffickinghotline.org/en/get-help Iron Roses new album is out now! Body count music video with wow shirt: https://youtu.be/7_VJ7TZ4TMA?is=VclQlLK1VGvE6QQs IG & FB /// @theironroses Spotify /// https://bit.ly/4u1Ug9W Linktr.ee /// https://linktr.ee/theironroses  SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com NEW WAR ON WOMEN ALBUM: https://smartpunk.com/collections/war-on-women The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen  https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

Shawna chats with Lindsey Cox, the singer of Oklahoma-based art pop band, Stepmom about their song “Survival Mode.” They discuss: the nightmare of being on hold, a musician that does art or an artist that plays music?, having a singular vision, spirituality, the Trap Stepmom, a hyper femme mirror, getting off the hamster wheel, created while clear, and more.  SHOW LINKS: https://stepmomband.com/ https://www.factoryobscura.com/ https://www.kosu.org/show/lindseys-lounge https://decisivepink.bandcamp.com/music https://www.palehound.com/ https://www.patreon.com/stepmomband Soccer Mommy, Husbands, and a different Stepmom SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com NEW WAR ON WOMEN ALBUM: https://smartpunk.com/collections/war-on-women The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen  https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

SHOW NOTES: It’s Shawna Summer! Shawna chats with Abbey Carbonneau of the org Book More Women They discuss: “Waterfalls” by TLC, needing numbers and visuals, the power to make headliners, admiration for people that work at festivals, systems thinking and points of leverage (what?), including artists about the things that affect them, what’s a non-corporate phrase for “on the ground”? Why has gender equity in live music plateaued? Balancing data and real people’s stories, and basic photoshop skills (in the Patreon-exclusive Bonus Moment!) FFO: non-profit nerdery, women in music, data, cameo’s from Rosie. SHOW LINKS: Book More Women - bookmorewomen.com Insta @bookmorewomen  Measured: the Book More Women podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/1CEnTkDGlvqhnpAvXICk1k SHAWNA’S LINKS shawnapotter.com NEW WAR ON WOMEN ALBUM: https://smartpunk.com/collections/war-on-women The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen  https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

SHOW NOTES: Shawna chats with Natalie Jurosky, the musician and leader of Scranton Girls Rock that helped Shawna create the online course version of her Safer Space Program. They talk about different learning styles, how talking is musical, bringing music into learning, whatever you want to do there’s a way to do it safely, and can you market this? This course is for bands, venues, small businesses, small hobby groups, anywhere you gather, students, faculty, people that host parties, and basically anyone that cares! SHOW LINKS: Charles Wiegel at AK Press The V Spot in Scranton: https://www.vspotbar.com/ ScrantonGirlsRock.org Music to Life: https://www.musictolife.org/ Loud Ladies SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen  https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

SHOW NOTES: Shawna chats with Elise Okusami of the band Oceanator about the value of storytelling and not waiting for a big hero to save us through their song, “Lullaby.” Also? The pitterpatter of Rosie’s paws on the floor (and scratching and shaking and just generally making sound), Oceanator as a family affair, what we’re like to tour with, and who else lists Dookie as their first punk record? SHOW LINKS: Oceanator on Bandcamp: https://oceanator.bandcamp.com/track/lullaby-2 Oceanator on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cw/oceanator WAR ON WOMEN/Oceanator tour info: linktr.ee/waronwomen  Music to Life: https://www.musictolife.org/ Mood Machine book - Liz Pelly: https://booksaremagic.net/item/gQpiPqSJBXgQuxapRjFf2Q/lists/L6k6O686GxwY/ ABIYOYO book - Pete Seeger: https://mpt.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/abiyoyo-video/reading-rainbow-stories/ Anansi the spider: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anansi Baba Yaga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Yaga Freedom Sounds album: https://folklife.si.edu/magazine/freedom-sounds-from-smithsonian-folkways Pears: https://pearstheband.bandcamp.com/album/pears SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com The new Safer Spaces: Online Course: https://shawnapotter.com/safer-spaces-course Making Spaces Safer book: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html Request fun video messages: https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow All things War On Women: linktr.ee/waronwomen  https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter

Shawna chats with Yadee Araniva, the singer for Ratas En Zelo, about the hypocrisy of religion, fearing the devil, fearing ICE, but also the balance of all things, feeling joy, and embracing cringe. Listen in and get to know this cool NYC band! SHOW LINKS: https://www.instagram.com/ratasenzelo/ https://linktr.ee/ratasenzelo Know your rights when it comes to ICE: https://immigrantjustice.org/for-immigrants/know-your-rights/ice-encounter/ https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/wp-content/uploads/Home-Raid-booklet-ENG.pdf Honorable mentions: Cake Like  Downtown Boys La Neve 2 Minutos piperrak Non servium SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen EURO TOUR INFO: destiny-tourbooking.com

Shawna throws out her usual podcast format to chat with drummer, activist, and lyricist Katy Otto on the heels of her celebrating 25 years of running her record label, Exotic Fever Records. If you own a copy of War On Women’s “Improvised Weapons,” you have an EXF release! They talk writing process, the things we’re working on (personally and musically), dads of daughters, Heart, Rosanne Cash, the Geffen Lollapalooza, the intimacy of co-writing lyrics, a little light misandry towards powerful men, being great at something you don’t feel like doing, becoming feminist because you survived being a teenage girl, and making bell hooks a mix tape. Also: Salt-n-Pepa, punk recipes, Euro punks, the military budget, Landis Expandis, a Fugazi in every town, record players, and our Bikini Kill cover band, Rah Rah Replica. Patron-only bonus moment available exclusively on Patreon, so sign up to catch that and other cool stuff from Shawna! This episode is sponsored by Pupcakes and Pawstries and Ronnie of Navarro Hair Design. SHOW LINKS: Katy is on the cover of *that* Q And Not U album!! Read about it here: https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/430176/beep-happening-how-q-and-not-u-made-a-classic-album-and-its-cover/ Exotic Fever Records - exoticfever.com Bald Rapunzel -  https://baldrapunzel.bandcamp.com/ Del Cielo - https://delcielodc.bandcamp.com/album/us-vs-them Trophy Wife - https://trophywifetheband.bandcamp.com/ Sun Within -  https://www.instagram.com/sunwithinband whitepicketfence - https://whitepicketfencedc.bandcamp.com/track/how Rah Rah Replica’s first show! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmDqaMaT2ZU Men Can Stop Rape - https://mcsr.org/ HIPS - https://www.hips.org/ Improvised Weapons link: https://www.exoticfever.com/artists.php?id=115 Secure Relating by Sue Marriott Nonviolent Communication by Rosenberg SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen EURO TOUR INFO: destiny-tourbooking.com

This one is for the prog-rock girlies! The business of being in 2 bands. Is it Boise or Boy-see? Finding bandmates as an adult woman. Getting unglued to our phones. Passive vs Active participation in our lives. Are we post- post-riot girl yet? Honorable mentions: Failure Shiner Earth The French Tips The Breeders “Do ya love me now?” SHOW LINKS: “Perfect Too” music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWnffTaMm8 Bloodlemonmusic.com Builttospill.com Finn Riggins Treefort Music Fest  Marshall Poole Mostly Muff Purring Mantis Tea Day Blogs (@teadayblogs) The Prids Social Change Now book: https://www.deepaiyer.com/home/social-change-now SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen

After being interviewed by Christina Rowatt for her mental health podcast Occupy the Void, host Shawna turned the tables and interviewed her for But Her Lyrics! An enjoyable chat about what it’s like to be a woman in journalism and podcasting, her favorite interview moments, and how a love of language has led her life. Also: Rosie barking, the Extra Extra jingle, having a face for TV, passionate metal fans that also love Rihanna, how lyrics affect us emotionally, men and men-tal health, Shawna is not an expert in anything, “it’s all cabaret”, creative process, art does not have to be made for public consumption, and can the internet help us find female cinematographers in australia??? SHOW LINKS: Her War is Our War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9JU7ECTdXc Occupy the Void: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/occupy-the-void-with-xtina/id1733957293 Revolver Fan First podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLANorT3Y7McP3s6W82Ucxz_LQZtSrbuIi Insta: https://www.instagram.com/xtina_rowatt/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheVoidwithChristina Soundgarden “Fell on Black Days” - I like the music video version better than the album version, so here you go:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySzrJ4GRF7s&list=RDySzrJ4GRF7s&index=1 SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen

In this episode of But Her Lyrics, host Shawna speaks to Caithlin De Marrais, bassist and co-singer and -lyricist for 2nd wave emo band, Rainer Maria. On Thanksgiving morning they dove deep into an early song “Rain Yr Hand,” about how accessing all ages music making spaces is fundamental to our development. Overall themes? Reflection, hindsight, growth, and community. There will be a Patreon-exclusive bonus clip where they discuss what thanksgiving brings to mind, how the War On Women song "This Stolen Land" applies to it, and more. Also in this episode: shoutout to Rocketown in Franklin, TN (rip), kids needing a place to go to make good trouble, extreme accessibility, anyone can play music, imposter syndrome or authenticity?, diversity is our survival, the hindsight of a reunion 20 years later, a chance to reflect, confronting our fear, and guess what - emo’s big now! SHOW LINKS: https://rainermaria.bandcamp.com/ https://www.instagram.com/rainermariamusic Skeletal Lightning -- https://skeletallightning.com/ CAITHLIN DE MARRAIS NEW ALBUM, 'LEARNING TO LIVE WITH FIRE', OUT MARCH 2025! Sounds of Saving (SOS) -- https://www.soundsofsaving.org/ We’re a music and mental health nonprofit that designs and provides tools, content, resources, and curriculum to young people, ages 14 to 24, on how to discover and utilize music to support their mental health and wellness. Just Accessible Music (JAM) -- https://www.justaccessiblemusic.com/ Making music accessible to people of all ages and abilities.  Figurenotes -- https://figurenotes.org/ Figurenotes was created at the Resonaari school in Finland by music educators Kaarlo Uusitalo and Markku Kaikkonen. Initially designed to enable those with learning disabilities to play music, it has since developed into a tool to help anybody get started.  Very intuitive to those with Autism Spectrum Disorder. But Her Lyrics This Stolen Land episode (mentioned in Patreon-exclusive bonus clip of this interview) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-stolen-land-pt-1-004/id1538652998?i=1000512385785 Kaia’s response to why we use YR instead of YOUR: “Kaia said it was slang we often used in written notes at the time. According to t’internet it originated with the Beat generation (we were definitely reading poetry at the time) and was later repopularized in the indie rock world circa 1980s by Sonic Youth.” SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen

Join host Shawna as she speaks with Carina Zachary, singer and lyricist for NYC-based band Husbandry, about their song “Ghostload” from the album A Port In A Storm. They met in a punk rock parking lot and it got weirder from there. #ripthecrown Content warning - this episode talks about gun violence and school shootings. You'll also hear Carina speak about songwriting, taking breaks, how she got into music and what's coming up next for the band. SPONSOR LINKS:  https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/ https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/ SHOW LINKS: https://husbandryny.bandcamp.com/music IG: @husbandrynyc YouTube: https://youtube.com/channel/UCg_jU8D78gk4B1hRs5FXg0Q?si=H4H71BVtnhx_xC7N https://www.everytown.org/ http://staging.childrensdefense.org/policy/policy-priorities/gun-violence-prevention/ War On Women Audiotree - https://youtu.be/SSxGUO3W9rE?feature=shared 12 O’Clock Boys - https://www.npr.org/2014/01/26/265362077/take-a-ride-with-baltimores-renegade-bikers-the-12-oclock-boys SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen

In this very special episode, host Shawna Potter chats with her former bandmates from the late 90s/early 00s Nashville indie band, Fair Verona. An old, unlabeled mp3 of the FV song “The Downfall of a Well-Known Actress” found its way onto the Lostwave message boards and with some great detective work, this online community found where the song came from and were pleasantly surprised to find out we’re all still playing music. This conversation dives deep into the origins of the band with Beth Cameron and Leah Bergman, and Lostwave member, Tom Stratton, asks questions and gives context. Listen to find out what Lostwave is, how often do these mp3 mysteries get solved, the weird times of 90s indie cred vs selling out, the lack of fellow girls that played guitar (even in Nashville), harassing Mary Timony, and what the hell is “The Downfall of a Well-Known Actress” about anyway? SHOW LINKS: Fair Verona: https://fairverona.bandcamp.com/album/the-last-recordings Turned Out A Punk w/Shawna Potter - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-184-shawna-potter-war-on-women-avec-fair-verona/id940288964?i=1000419596110 Lucy’s Record Shop (the podcast) - https://www.lucysrecordshop.com/ Self - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subliminal_Plastic_Motives Helium - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_(band) Shipping News - https://shippingnews.bandcamp.com/track/claws AVEC (Shawna’s band after FV, before War On Women) - https://www.discogs.com/release/2771380-Avec-If-I-Breathe-I-Fall-Asleep Forget Cassettes (Beth) - http://www.forgetcassettes.com/ Black Bra (Beth) - https://blackbramusic.com/ Leah’s Pixies cover band - Is She Weird, Is She White Baltimore Afrobeat Society (Fela Kuti cover band Shawna was in) - https://www.facebook.com/baltimoreafrobeatsociety Find my Mind - discord server - https://www.reddit.com/r/Lostwave/comments/ol3f2c/fond_my_mind_discord_server/ Tom Stratton's band: (https://www.youtube.com/@YouthDeathClub) SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen You can support this podcast by liking my youtube channel, and sharing, subscribing, and reviewing But Her Lyrics... wherever you get your podcasts - it’s free and it helps. To find episode transcripts, or to find out more about what I do, my book, my trainings, my patreon, request me on Cameo, etc, head to shawnapotter.com To learn about all things WOW, head to linktr.ee/waronwomen

Host Shawna Potter talks to Linh Le of Bad Cop Bad Cop as they dig into their song “Safe and Legal.” She’s later joined by Amelia Bonow, co-founder of Shout Your Abortion. There’s a lot of talk about the importance of story-sharing, as well as: the hardship of finding a real bathroom at warped tour, instruments as a shield, old footage of dance recitals, being both a gymnast and a rockabilly, moving to the west coast, laughing a lot, never wearing pants, gender is not a genre. The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order. Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter. Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki.  SPONSOR LINKS:  https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/ https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/ SHOW LINKS: https://badcopbadcopmusic.com/ Original bass players band, Jen Carlson? https://www.thesidewalkproject.org/ https://www.bassistagainstracist.com/ “Simple Girl” video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOxO3-xI8Q “Safe and Legal” video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REH_SpKYZUI PlanCPills.org ShoutYourAbortion.org Photo of Linh: @sarahmacphotographs SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen War On Women songs about reproductive rights: Roe V. World, Pro-Life?, and Childbirth.

Host Shawna talks to Emily and Valerie, members of the Canadian rock band, The Anti-Queens. In this fast-paced interview, they talk about gear, recording this latest album (lots of gear talk for the nerds!), sexism in music, writing overtly political lyrics for the first time, Canada’s image on the world stage versus the reality, being lied to by the educational system about Indigenous history, day jobs, tearing down Justin Timberlake, and so much more. The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order. Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter. Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki.  SPONSOR LINKS:  https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/ https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/ SHOW LINKS: The Anti-Queens: https://antiqueens.com/ https://wemattercampaign.org/ https://www.torontoindigenoushr.com/ Finding Our Power Together - https://findingourpowertogether.com/ Canada’s Unmarked Graves: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-residential-schools-unmarked-graves-indigenous-children-60-minutes-2022-02-06/ Crossdog - https://www.crossdogisaband.com/ Aqua Tofana music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVi3KiEwfHE SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen

Content Warning: sexual assault, child abuse, addiction, racism, and other heavy themes are discussed. Host Shawna Potter talks to Clementine Morrigan and Jay Lesoleil, the hosts of F*****g Cancelled (two L’s because they’re Canadian), a podcast that examines all things related to cancel culture in lefty/progressive circles. In this episode, Shawna aims to learn more about their critiques and what influenced them. They talk about real life experiences with cancel culture, the effects it has on victims of violence, trauma-responses, how to best support survivors of rape, sexual assault, and abuse, and so much more. If you’re asking yourself, “What’s the big deal, aren’t call outs just a consequence of bad behavior?” you’re not alone - and they have an answer ready. This episode does not cover every facet or nuance of responding to harm. It should be noted that most of the content centers on gender-based violence, and therefore might not sufficiently address racism and other forms of identity-based violence. There is no one right way to respond to your own abuse or assault. While public call-outs are one tool in the toolbox, the guests of this episode argue that it is an ineffective and overused one. The official sponsors of this episode are First Defense Krav Maga, and Pupcakes and Pawstries, where you can use promo code waronwomen15 to get 15% off your next order. Episode transcripts, important links, and ways to support Shawna and this podcast can be found at shawnapotter.com. Everything War On Women can be found at linktr.ee/waronwomen. For bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, and the chance to make special requests and get shoutouts on air, become a patron at patreon.com/shawnapotter. Thanks to Brooks Harlan for chopping up War On Women’s song “Her?” to create the podcast theme song. Main podcast photo: Justin Borucki.  SPONSOR LINKS:  https://www.firstdefensekravmaga.com/ https://pupcakesandpawstries.com/ SHOW LINKS: Clementinemorrigan.com Jaylesoleil.com F*****g Cancelled Podcast: https://www.fuckingcancelled.com/ We Will Not Cancel Us by adrienne maree brown  - https://www.akpress.org/we-will-not-cancel-us.html How to Be Accountable: Take Responsibility to Change Your Behavior, Boundaries, and Relationships by Joe Biel Author and Dr. Faith G. Harper -  https://microcosmpublishing.com/catalog/books/3295 Imperfect Victims Criminalized Survivors and the Promise of Abolition Feminism by Leigh Goodmark  - https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520391123/imperfect-victims Fumbling Towards Repair by Mariame Kaba and Shira Hassan - https://www.akpress.org/fumbling-towards-repair.html Creative Interventions Toolkit - https://www.creative-interventions.org/toolkit/ BUT HER LYRICS PRIMER EPISODES: SkyDxddy “7 Years” - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/7-Years-with-SkyDxddy---033-e2h08en Palehound/TurnAround “Killer” - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/Killer-with-Palehound--TurnAround---024-e1v190v/a-a9bejof Sarah Schulman, author of Conflict is not Abuse - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/Sarah-Schulman--author-of-Conflict-is-Not-Abuse---018-e1kkji9/a-a86hcid Hannah Brancato (FORCE/The Monument Quilt) on War On Women’s “Say It” - https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/shawnapotter/episodes/Say-It-with-Hannah-Brancato---017-e1h8q6t/a-a7ougv2 SHAWNA’S LINKS: shawnapotter.com Making Spaces Safer: https://www.akpress.org/making-spaces-safer-book.html https://www.youtube.com/@shawnapotter https://www.cameo.com/shawnapotterwow linktr.ee/waronwomen