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*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation reveals that the Kingdom Passover is the spiritual doorway into God’s Kingdom, made possible through the crucifixion and blood of Jesus Christ. It emphasizes that this is not about human effort, but about receiving what Christ has already accomplished through grace and faith. Through His blood, believers enter into God’s presence, stand in His victory, and participate in the unfolding Kingdom on earth. The message highlights unity, transformation, trust, and the present reality of walking in Christ’s authority as part of His Body. Show Notes 1. The Cross as the Door into the Kingdom Christ’s crucifixion is thekey to the Kingdom PassoverHis death opened anew door from one age into anotherThe Kingdom is entered through His sacrifice, not human works 2. The Blood Covenant and New Covenant Reality The covenant in Christ’s blood iseverything for believersIt is based onwhat God has already done, not what we doThe Passover representsappropriation of Christ’s finished work 3. Access into God’s Presence Through Christ’s blood, believers:Enter God’s presenceReceive redemption and grace Ongoing transformation still comes by believing Him 4. Inclusion of All Creation God’s plan includesall creation through ChristThe Kingdom removes divisions:“Neither Jew nor Greek…” A new creation reality is emerging through His blood 5. Standing in Victory and Authority Believers stand in:Christ’s victoryThe rest of God Authority comes through positioning in Him, not striving 6. Manifestation of the Kingdom on Earth The Kingdom is not distant—it iscoming into this realmChrist is being revealed through His peopleHis Body becomes the vessel of Kingdom expression 7. God’s Appointed Times and Revelation The feasts areappointed times of revelationGod is unveiling things previously hiddenBelievers are called to live withanticipation and faith 8. Grace, Faith, and Trust Salvation and walking in God are by:Grace + Faith Trust becomes a deep, unwavering response Walking with God becomes an automatic reflex of trust 9. Living in the “Now” of God The Kingdom is not future only—it ispresent (“today”)Believers must remove delay and excusesThe call is to step intoimmediate obedience and reality 10. Walking in Openness and Truth Victory comes through:Transparency before GodThe Word as a sword Not through worldly systems or duplicity Key Quotes “The key to the Passover of the kingdom was Christ’s crucifixion.”“That door that Christ opened… was so necessary.”“The covenant that He made in His blood is everything to us.”“By grace we’ve been saved through faith.”“I don’t care what’s coming… I trust what the Lord’s doing.”“We are in Christ… walking in His victory.”“It’s now. It’s today.”“You prevail as you stand… before the Lord with the sword.”“God is our provision… this is a new day.” Scriptural References Exodus 12The original Passover (foundation of the concept)John 1 (29)Christ as the Lamb of GodHebrews 10 (19–22)Access to God through the blood of JesusJeremiah 31 (31)The New CovenantEphesians 2 (8–9)Saved by grace through faithGalatians 3 (28)No Jew or Greek, one in ChristRomans 8 (19–21)Creation included in redemptiona...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation centers on God’s desire for a people who live in continual worship—not limited to music or moments, but expressed through a life lived in His presence. True worship is a spiritual state of being, rooted in relationship, obedience, and surrender. It involves standing in God’s presence through all circumstances, allowing Him to work through refining processes, and choosing daily to respond to Him. This lifestyle of worship transforms believers into a priestly and prophetic people, functioning in spirit and truth and building up the Body of Christ. Show Notes 1. God’s Desire for a Different Kind of Worship God is calling for more than traditional expressions of worshipHe desires a people who live as akingdom of priests and prophetsThe journey requires walking with God and allowing Him to reveal the way forward 2. Worship Begins with a Choice Israel refused direct relationship with God out of fearGod originally intendedall His people to be priestsEntering deeper worship requires willingness to hear God—even when it is difficult 3. From Levites to Melchizedek Priesthood There is a contrast between:Settling for structured religion (Levites)Entering relationship-based priesthood (Melchizedek) God is calling His people into the higher order of relationship and authority 4. Worship as a 24/7 Lifestyle Worship is not limited to songs or gatheringsIt is:Walking with God continuouslyLiving with awareness of His presenceCarrying worship in the spirit at all times 5. Standing in God’s Presence Standing before the Lord is itself worshipTrue worship is revealed:During trialsIn devastationWhen remaining unmoved and trusting Him 6. Worship Beyond Music Worship includes:Waiting on GodServing othersLiving life with a surrendered heart If worship is only singing, it stops when the song ends 7. Worship in Everyday Life Worship continues even while:WorkingThinking deeplyGoing about daily tasks A spirit of worship allows God to speak at any moment 8. Worship Builds the Body of Christ Serving others = worshipSpeaking truth and building others up is worshipMinistry flows out of a life rooted in God’s presence 9. Worship in Spirit and Truth True worship must be:Spirit-ledRooted in Christ (truth) Anything outside of this lacks effectiveness 10. Refining Fire Produces True Worship Trials and hardship refine believersThe proper response is:GratitudeSurrender God removes everything that hinders relationship with Him 11. Worship Is a Daily Choice Every person is given the opportunity to worshipIt is not forced—it is chosenEach day presents the decision to live in His presence Key Quotes “God is looking for worshipers on a 24/7 basis.”“Standing in His presence is a form of worship.”“If all worship was singing, when you stop singing, you stop worshiping.”“Our worship is because we’re standing in His presence all the time.”“It’s not important what the mind understands—it’s that the spirit moves into it.”“When you stand in His presence and speak what He speaks, it becomes a creative force.”“No matter the devastation… the first thing should be, ‘Thank you, Lord.’”“Every day is a choice to worship Him.” Scriptural References John 4 (23–24)Worship in spirit and truthExodus 19m(5–6)A kingdom of priestsHebrews 7Priesthood of MelchizedekRevelation 1 (6 / 5 10)Made kings and priestsRevelation 7 (15)Serving Him day and nightRomans 12 (1)Living sacrifice (lifestyle worship)Ephesians 4 (11–16)Building up the Body of Christ1 Thessalonians 5 (16–18)Rejoice always, give thanksMalachi 3 (2–3)Refiner’s fireHebrews 13 (15)Sacrifice of praise Takeaway True worship is not something you do—it is who you become. It is a continual life lived in God’s presence, expressed through obedience, surrender, and relationship. Whether in trials, daily tasks, or ministry to others, worship flows from a spirit aligned with Him. And at its core, it is a daily choice to stand before God and live for Him in everything.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This discussion centers on the necessity of moving beyond intellectual knowledge of God’s Word into a living, personal experience with Christ. True spiritual growth comes as the Word becomes alive within the believer through direct encounter, not just study or conversation. Faith is developed through experiencing Christ in real circumstances, and the transformation occurs in the spirit—not the mind. As believers cultivate a relationship with the Lord, endure through trials, and remain led by the Spirit, the Word becomes their life, producing maturity, endurance, and a deeper union with God. Show Notes 1. Growth Requires Experience, Not Just Knowledge Spiritual growth is essential—without it, there is no movement forward.The Word must be experienced, not merely read or discussed.Faith grows through real encounters with Christ in everyday life. 2. The Word Must Become Alive Within Hearing the Word is not enough—it must be imparted to the spirit.The difference between “knowing about” and “knowing” God is personal experience.A living Word transforms the believer from within. 3. Relationship with God is Central The goal is not information but relationship.Encountering God’s presence makes the Word real and personal.Waiting on the Lord allows the Word to become life. 4. The Spirit Over the Mind True understanding comes through the spirit, not the intellect.The mind can resist or distort the Word, but the spirit receives life.Being led by the Spirit defines true sonship. 5. Endurance and Testing Produce Maturity Trials and devastation are used by God to deepen relationship and growth.Endurance is essential to spiritual completion.Holding fast to God in difficulty draws believers closer to Him. 6. Living as Carriers of the Word Believers are called to speak a living Word that penetrates hearts.The Word becomes life—what we think, speak, and live daily.This life flows from a deep, Spirit-led relationship with God. Quote “The Word must be alive. It must be living in you. It must be an experience to you.”“It's not just talking about the Word… it's actually experiencing Him in a reality.”“Knowing about the Word is not good enough… it’s about knowing Him.”“The Word must become real to you in your own heart… otherwise you really haven’t heard it yet.”“Endurance means you hold fast… and instead of pulling away, you draw closer.” Scriptural References Romans 10 (17)“Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.”Colossians 1 (27)“Christ in you, the hope of glory.”Romans 8 (14)“Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.”Matthew 24 (13)“He who endures to the end shall be saved.”John 5 (39)“You search the Scriptures… these are they which testify of Me.”John 6 (63)“The words that I speak… they are spirit, and they are life.” Takeaway The Christian walk is not about accumulating knowledge of God but about encountering Him. When believers pursue a real relationship with the Lord, allowing His Word to be imparted into their spirit, it becomes life within them. Through endurance, testing, and continual surrender, they grow into maturity—living not by the mind, but by the Spirit—and becoming vessels through which the living Word flows to others.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation centers on breaking spiritual bonds—especially preconceived ideas, doctrines, and attachments—to truly know God. The speakers emphasize that bonds, even those formed around God Himself, can become limitations or idols. Through testing, repentance, and even devastation, believers are refined into a deeper, more authentic relationship with God. True knowing of God comes not through comfort or fixed beliefs, but through surrender, transformation, and continual turning toward Him. Show Notes 1. The Nature of Bonds Human nature seeks attachment—to people, doctrines, and systemsThese bonds can become spiritual limitationsEven religious structures (denominations, worship styles) can restrict knowing God 2. Bonds Can Become Idols Anything we cling to for identity or security can replace GodA fixed concept of God can actually block deeper revelationTrue relationship requires freedom from these attachments 3. Breaking Bonds to Find God We must let go of ourideaof God to truly know HimQuestioning our foundation is necessary—not rejecting God, but refining understandingFear of losing what we “know” about God reveals hidden bondage 4. Testing Our Relationship with God Are we willing to have our beliefs shaken?Resistance to change or correction reveals spiritual bondageA real relationship with God can withstand testing 5. Devastation as a Path to Revelation God often uses hardship more than blessing to reveal HimselfDevastation strips away false foundationsThrough this process, we see God’s love more clearly 6. Repentance and Turning to God Repentance is not just sorrow—it’s turning fully to GodGod becomes the answer—not circumstances or emotionsHis reassurance builds trust: “I’m still here” 7. Becoming God’s Workmanship God forms His nature within us through repeated dealingsHis love and heart are woven into us over timeThis process creates a deep determination to walk with Him 8. Walking Through Failure and Restoration Failure is part of the journeyGod remains present through mistakes and confusionLike Peter, restoration comes through love and renewed calling Key Quotes “Bonds are death… you don’t bond—you become alive in Him.”“The problem with bonds is that they become an idol.”“You have to break bonds with God in order to find God.”“Are you afraid of losing your security… can you let the Lord shake it?”“Through devastation, we come to know God in a greater way.”“Let God be your answer—not circumstances.”“I’m still here… you’re just not where you should be.”“Out of devastation, we’ll find God.”“Are you going to make mistakes? Absolutely… but God’s with you through it.” Scriptural References Exodus 20 (3–5)Idolatry and placing anything before GodIsaiah 55 (8–9)God’s ways higher than our understandingHebrews 12 (6–11)God disciplines those He lovesJames 1 (2–4)Trials produce maturityRomans 12 (2)Transformation through renewed thinkingJohn 21 (15–17)Jesus restoring Peter (“Do you love Me?”)Proverbs 3 (11–12)The Lord corrects those He lovesPhilippians 3 (8–10)Letting go of all to know Christ Takeaway To truly know God, you must be willing to let go of everything you think you know about Him. Bonds—whether to doctrine, experience, or identity—can quietly replace relationship. God uses testing, shaking, and even devastation to strip away what is false so that what is real can emerge. In that process, you discover that He has never left—and that kwnoing Him is a continual, living journey, not a fixed conclusion.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores how God allows seasons of shaking, testing, and even loss to move believers beyond dependence on security and into a deep, personal relationship with Him. Through trials, God reveals what is truly in the heart and draws His people into a genuine, Spirit-led walk where they hear His voice, know Him intimately, and remain steadfast regardless of circumstances. Show Notes 1. Recognizing the Voice of God There is a clear difference between hearing words spoken intellectually and hearing words spoken by the Spirit.A true relationship with God brings discernment—believers recognize when something is not from Him.God is raising sensitivity to His voice and presence. 2. The Need for a Firm Spiritual Foundation Even a slight deviation from the Lord can lead away from truth.A consistent focus on God is essential to stay aligned with Him.The relationship with God is ongoing—there is always “more.” 3. Pursuing God with the Whole Heart The desire to fully know God goes beyond words—it requires lived experience.True pursuit brings transformation, not just understanding.“Where the rubber meets the road” is in daily walking it out. 4. Letting Go of False Security Many pursue God out of a need for security rather than relationship.God often removes those securities to reveal Himself.True knowing of God comes when natural supports are stripped away. 5. The Journey of Job: Testing and Revelation Job’s life illustrates how God allows testing to reveal genuine faith.The removal of protection exposed the depth of Job’s relationship with God.Through devastation, Job encountered a deeper revelation of God. 6. Testing Produces Endurance and Dedication Trials develop endurance, faith, and unwavering commitment.God uses testing to form something real and lasting in believers.True devotion is proven when everything else is shaken. 7. Revelation Comes Through Relationship God reveals Himself more deeply through seasons of testing.Familiar words take on new meaning after experience with God.The foundation of the Body of Christ is revelation from the Father—not knowledge alone. 8. Hearing God Personally Christianity is not meant to be secondhand—it is relational and direct.Each believer must hear God personally.The goal is a real, living relationship with Him. Quotes “You recognize immediately—that’s not God—when it’s not spoken by the Spirit.”“Without that foundation in the Lord, everything can be just slightly off.”“We’re running after Him—we want to know Him with our whole being.”“God is not about providing security—He removes it so we can know Him.”“Only when everything is shaken do we discover what’s really in our hearts.”“Job would go through anything—but he would not reject God.”“Revelation comes alive through the experience of walking through the test.”“We have to hear from God—it has to be real.” Scriptural References Job – The testing of Job and his deeper revelation of GodRomans 5(3–4) Tribulation produces perseverance, character, and hopeHebrews 12 (26–27) Everything that can be shaken will be shakenMatthew 16 (16–18) Revelation from the Father as the foundation of the ChurchJames 1 (2–4) Testing of faith produces endurancePhilippians 3 (10) “That I may know Him…” Takeaway God allows everything that can be shaken to be shaken—not to destroy us, but to remove false security and bring us into a real, unshakable relationship with Him. In the end, it’s not about what we have, what we know, or what we rely on—it’s about truly knowing God and hearing His voice for ourselves.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode centers on the call to fully trust Christ within and enter into a place of rest, where believers stop striving and begin relying on the Spirit of God in them. Through testing and difficult situations, God is proving and deepening that trust, teaching believers to surrender control and recognize His sovereignty in every circumstance. The conversation also reveals that this walk is not meant to be lived alone. The Body of Christ functions as a living organism, where members support one another through trials. True oneness is not something manufactured by human effort—it is a spiritual reality imparted by God, unfolding within His people as they yield to Him. Ultimately, the message emphasizes that transformation, unity, and guidance come from Christ within, not from human reasoning or effort, leading believers into a deeper experience of oneness with God and each other. Show Notes   Trust is being testedGod is proving whether believers truly trust Him in all circumstancesSpiritual growth comes through testing and endurance Rest in Christ within Stop striving, second-guessing, and relying on selfTrust that Christ within knows what to do and say God is in control Even when situations feel overwhelming or unclearTrust must remain even when there is no visible answer The Body is essential Believers are not meant to walk aloneThe Body functions together in suffering and support The Body is an organism, not an organization Connected directly to Christ as the HeadOperates by the Spirit, not human systems Oneness is imparted, not created It comes from God through a living wordIt unfolds within believers, not produced by effort Transformation happens by the Spirit Not through discipline or self-effortThrough yielding, waiting, and listening to God Quotes “Be still and let God be God… trust that what you're going through, God is aware of it.”“Throw all your weight on Christ in you… and quit second guessing yourself.”“Do you really trust Me, even when you can’t stand?”“You’re not supposed to deal with it alone… this is a body function.”“The body is not an organization… it’s an organism connected to the Head.”“Oneness had nothing to do with us… it was an impartation from the Lord.”“You are not going to figure this out… it’s Christ in you.” Scriptural References Psalm 46 (10)“Be still, and know that I am God”Galatians 2 (20)“Christ lives in me”Colossians 1 (27)“Christ in you, the hope of glory”John 17 (21)That they may be one as the Father and Son are one1 Corinthians 12 (26)If one member suffers, all suffer togetherEphesians 4 (15–16)Christ as the Head, the Body joined togetherHebrews 4 (9–10)Entering into His restEphesians 5 (21)Submitting to one another in the fear of God Takeaway True spiritual maturity comes when we stop striving and fully trust Christ within us, allowing Him to lead, speak, and act through our lives. This trust is proven through testing, strengthened in surrender, and expressed through a living connection with the Body of Christ. As we yield to the Spirit, oneness with God and one another naturally unfolds—not by effort, but by His life within us.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores the progression of God’s purpose for believers—from being predestined in Christ to ultimately being glorified and walking in the fullness of God. The speakers emphasize that the Kingdom of God requires a spiritual determination, a “violence of spirit,” that refuses to remain on a lower level of life and presses into the presence and purposes of God. Romans 8 is presented as a key passage revealing that God’s work of salvation—from foreknowledge to glorification—is spoken of in past tense. Believers are called to be conformed to the image of Christ in spirit, soul, and body, not merely experiencing inward redemption but moving toward a full expression of Christ’s life. The conversation highlights that this fulfillment is not meant to occur through isolated spiritual individuals but through a corporate Body of believers functioning together in love and unity. As the Body of Christ grows into maturity, faith becomes collective—where one member’s strength supports another. Through this unity, the life of Christ can be manifested more fully. Ultimately, the speakers point to a time when the glory of God will be revealed through His people. As believers step into their identity as sons of God and walk in the fullness of Christ’s life, creation itself will experience freedom through the revealing of God’s children. Show Notes Pressing Into the Kingdom The Kingdom of God advances through spiritual determination and pursuit.Believers must shake themselves free from spiritual ruts and press into the presence of the Lord.The call is to rise to the level where Christ is and dwell in the Father’s presence. Conformed to the Image of Christ Romans 8 reveals that believers are predestined to become like Christ.This transformation involves the whole person—spirit, soul, and body.The life of Christ is meant to be manifested through believers. A Corporate Fulfillment God’s ultimate purpose is not fulfilled through one spiritual hero.The fulfillment of Scripture requires a family of believers walking together in love.The Body of Christ functions collectively, with shared faith and mutual support. The Atmosphere God Has Been Waiting For Love, humility, and service toward one another create the environment where God’s purposes can unfold.Laying aside self allows the Body to move together into the fulfillment of God’s promises. The Hope of His Coming The coming of Christ is not only future but is also being completed within His people.Persistent faith and prayer bring the manifestation of what God has spoken. Refusing a Lesser Level Believers are called to refuse living on a lower spiritual plane.The “violence of spirit” is a determination to walk in the level God intends. The Glory Revealed Through the Sons of God Romans 8 reveals that creation itself awaits the revealing of the sons of God.As believers step into their identity and glorification, creation experiences freedom. Key Quotes Mike: “Sometimes we just gotta shake ourselves loose in the spirit and go after things in the Lord.” Trisha: “We are predestined from Romans eight to be conformed to the image of Christ… spirit, soul, and body.” Roger: “It cannot be fulfilled except in a family of people who really have given their lives one to another, to love each other.” Ken: “We refuse to live on a lesser plane, a lesser level, but insist on being where God is bringing forth His people.” Roger: “Where we're lacking, one is lacking faith that's made up for by somebody else's faith that we can go on into the fullness of God.” Mike: “If we've been glorified, then creation is set free to come into the glory of the sons of God.” Scriptural References Matthew 11 (12)“The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.”John 14 (2–3)“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places… that where I am, there you may be also.”Romans 8 (28–30)Predestined, called, justified, and glorified.Romans 8 (19–21)Creation waits for the revealing of the sons of God.Malachi 4 (2)“You will go out leaping like calves released from the stall.”John 9 (1–3)The blind man healed so that the works of God might be displayed.Luke 18 (1–8)The persistent widow before the unjust judge.1 Thessalonians 5 (23)“May your spirit and soul and body be kept blameless.” Takeaway God’s purpose for His people moves from predestination to glorification, forming a corporate Body that reflects the life of Christ. This fulfillment does not come through isolated individuals but through a unified people walking in love, faith, and determination. As believers press into the fullness of God and become conformed to Christ in spirit, soul, and body, the glory of God is revealed through them—and creation itself begins to experience freedom.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation reveals that true sonship is formed through a deep relationship with God expressed in both His love and His discipline. While many understand God’s love as comfort and affection, the speakers emphasize that His love is most powerfully revealed through refinement, correction, and personal dealings. As believers draw near to God in worship and surrender, He responds not only with comfort, but with transformation—shaping the heart, mind, and nature into His likeness. This process often involves trials, testing, and discipline, which are not signs of rejection, but evidence of acceptance as sons. Sonship is not automatic—it is a choice to walk with God through whatever He allows, trusting that every experience is designed for growth, holiness, and maturity. Over time, what once felt painful becomes understood as love, and even embraced as part of becoming fully aligned with the Father’s heart. Show Notes 1. Being Set Apart and Transformed Salvation is a transfer of ownership—giving your whole life to GodGod begins actively working in the heart to bring changeAdvancement in God always produces inner transformation 2. Love Expressed Through Relationship Worship and love deepen intimacy with GodAs we love Him, we become more aware of His loveRelationship is cultivated through ongoing communion with the Father 3. God’s Love Through Discipline God’s response to closeness is refinement, not just comfortDiscipline is aimed at making us partakers of His holinessEach person’s process is uniquely “tailor-made” by God 4. The Path of Sonship Is a Choice God does not force sonship—He invites itWalking as a son requires accepting disciplineGrowth depends on how far we choose to walk with Him 5. Learning to Embrace Trials Trials and testing are opportunities for growthThankfulness in difficulty accelerates maturityLooking back reveals God’s purpose in every hardship 6. The Fire of God as Love God’s fire refines and cleanses those who love HimJudgment becomes purification for those who receive HimHis love removes what is not like Him 7. Trusting the Father’s Process Trust is foundational to enduring disciplineSpiritual maturity produces rest in difficult circumstancesGod uses every situation to reveal His love and build faith 8. Becoming the Bride and Sons of God God’s love is relational and purposefulWe are being formed into a people aligned with His heartSonship and relationship lead into union with Christ Key Quotes “As God thrusts us into a new level, it brings about a change in our heart.” — Dale“The more we love Him, the more we experience His love.” — Ken“When you draw near to God, His response is to discipline you.” — Ron“He disciplines us so we can be partakers of His holiness.” — Ron“The fire is His love… it’s refining and cleansing.” — Lois“If you want to be a son, you’ve got to accept His discipline.” — Debbie“He’ll walk with you as far as you want to walk.” — Ron“Learn to thank Him in the trial.” — Ken“There is a trust and rest because you know who you have believed.” — Ron Scriptural References Hebrews 12 (6, 10–11)“He disciplines every son whom He receives… that we may share His holiness.”Hebrews 12 (7)“Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children.”James 1 (2–4)Trials produce endurance and maturityRomans 8 (14–17)Sons of God are led by the SpiritRomans 8 (28–29)All things work together for good… conformed to His imagePsalm 23 (4)“Though I walk through the valley… I will fear no evil”Galatians 3 (28)New creation identity in Christ1 Peter 4 (17)Judgment begins at the house of GodHebrews 3 (14)“If we hold firmly… we share in Christ” Takeaway God’s love is not just something we feel—it is something that transforms us. If you truly want to grow into sonship, you must embrace both His love and His discipline. The very things that feel difficult are often the clearest evidence that He is working in you. ? Sonship is a choice: To trust Him. To walk with Him. To thank Him—even in the fire. Because in the end, every trial is shaping you into His image—and drawing you deeper into His heart.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode explores the reality of Christ expressing Himself through His Body. As believers grow in maturity and oneness, they begin to move beyond striving and into a deeper flow of the Spirit where the Lord speaks through yielded vessels. The cross becomes the pathway into this life, bringing the dying out of self so that Christ can live and minister through His people. Instead of relying on knowledge, religious systems, or personal effort, the Body of Christ is learning to trust the Spirit of God and enter into His rest. In that place of faith and surrender, believers become living channels of the Holy Spirit, speaking a living word and ministering Christ to one another in love, freedom, and unity. Show Notes Entering a Life in the Spirit The discussion begins with the recognition that believers are being drawn into a deeper experience of knowing the Lord by the Spirit and relating to one another in that same realm. God's purpose has never been centered on isolated individuals but on a corporate Body—a family and a Kingdom through which Christ can express Himself. Maturity and Oneness in the Body As the Body matures, there is a growing sense of unity and shared life. Ministry becomes less about individual effort and more about the collective expression of Christ flowing through His people. The Cross as the Pathway The cross remains central to spiritual growth. Through the process of dying to self and accepting the Lord’s dealings, believers are transformed and brought into true sonship. What may seem like pressure or difficulty is actually God's loving work shaping His sons and daughters. Moving Beyond Religion into Spirit Many believers remain stuck in systems that operate at the level of the soul and flesh. Without the work of the cross, spiritual growth stalls. True life in the Spirit requires leaving behind religious striving and entering into genuine spiritual experience. Freedom From Striving As believers learn to trust the Spirit, they stop striving to perform or prove themselves. Instead, they begin to minister from the Lord's presence, allowing His Spirit to speak through them naturally. Christ Ministering Through His People When believers serve one another with love and faith, Christ Himself is ministering through them. The Spirit flows through simple acts of obedience, planting seeds, watering hearts, and allowing God to bring the increase. Entering Into God's Rest The conversation concludes with the call to enter into God's rest. This means trusting the Lord rather than relying on personal understanding, past experiences, or religious tradition. In this place of faith and surrender, the Holy Spirit flows freely and Christ speaks through His Body. Quotes Debbie: “We're coming into a place of spirit and a place of knowing the Lord by the Spirit, and knowing each other by the spirit.” Ron: “He wants a kingdom. He wants a family. He wants a body of Christ.” Ken: “You just jump into the water and go with it. The Lord creates something that you look back and you say, who spoke that word?” Ron: “This is what God's doing because He loves me and He wants me to be a son, and He wants me to come closer to Him.” Mike: “That which is spirit is spirit. That which is flesh is flesh and religion is flesh.” Ken: “When things drop off because of the cross, all of a sudden you realize how much lighter you are.” Ron: “We're not asking people to come to the Lord. We're creating an open door in their hearts.” Ken: “We're simply ministering out of the Lord's presence in the Spirit.” Ed: “You're ministering to your brother as if he is Christ.” Ron: “This is gonna be Christ speaking through me.” Scriptural References Galatians 2 (20) “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.” Matthew 28 (19) “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.” Matthew 25 (40) “Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” John 3 (6) “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Hebrews 4 (9–11) “There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.” Proverbs 3 (5–6) “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.” Philippians 1 (21) “For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.” 1 Corinthians 12 (27) “Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.” Takeaway Christ desires to express Himself through His people. As believers embrace the work of the cross, release striving, and trust the Holy Spirit, they enter a place of rest where the Lord speaks and ministers through them. The Body of Christ becomes a living channel of the Spirit—bringing life, freedom, and revelation to others.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation reveals that God is not primarily raising up individual spiritual heroes, but a corporate Body of believers functioning together as one living organism under Christ the Head. Through the many-membered Body, Christ receives His voice in the earth as believers speak and live the Word of God. A true word from God is creative, imparting the life and nature of God into those who receive it. As believers become cleansed and yielded vessels, they function as channels of that living Word. The vision presented is of a corporate people—an anointed family, a mighty army—each member placed by God and functioning in their unique role. Some speak the Word, others build, create, govern, serve, or perform practical works. Together they demonstrate the Kingdom of God on the earth. This corporate functioning fulfills Jesus’ promise that greater works would be done, not by individuals alone but by a unified Body empowered by the Spirit of God. Show Notes 1. The Body of Christ Is Corporate, Not Individual God does not work through isolated individuals but through a many-membered Body. Believers help prepare and build one another through the living Word.Christ receives His voice through His people.The Holy Spirit speaks through yielded vessels. Key idea: God needs a people, not just a person. 2. God Places Each Member in the Body Every believer has a divinely appointed function. God sets members in the Body according to His will.No one appoints themselves or judges another's role.Each person fills a place designed by God. Realizing this brings humility and unity. 3. A Word From God Is Creative God’s Word is not merely information—it creates spiritual reality. It is not aimed at intellect alone.It forms Christ within the believer.It carries the same creative power that formed the world. Receiving the Word requires openness, dedication, and purification. 4. God Is Raising a Body That Knows Him The Holy Spirit is emphasizing a corporate people who know God personally. Each member can hear from the Lord.Each member can speak a living word.Christ is expressed through the whole Body. This represents a new level of corporate awareness of Christ within. 5. Greater Works Through the Corporate Body Jesus’ promise of greater works becomes possible through a unified Body. One person can accomplish much.Many functioning together can accomplish far more.The family of God releases multiplied authority. This reveals the potential power of the Body when aligned with Christ. 6. The Kingdom Requires Many Functions The Body includes far more than speakers or preachers. God raises up: CraftsmenBuildersWorkersCreatorsLeadersServants The Kingdom operates through anointed people doing God’s work in every sphere of life. 7. The Body of Christ Is a Mighty Army The Body functions like an army with many roles. Not everyone is on the front line.Each function contributes to victory.God’s power is revealed through the collective. The strength of the army comes from God working through His people together. Key Quotes Mike “God needs a people, not one person. Through this many-membered body He functions, and we give Christ His voice.” Ken “When you realize you’re part of something greater than yourself, you begin to see the greater works Jesus promised.” Ron “When a word comes from God, it is God. It carries the same creative power He used to create the world.” Mike “Our prophecies and prayers will do more than any law passed by man.” Ron “The Kingdom is not just people speaking the Word. It’s men and women who do God.” Ken “What we’re really talking about is a mighty army.” Scriptural References The Body of Christ 1 Corinthians 12 (12–18)“For as the body is one and has many members…”Romans 12 (4–5)“So we, being many, are one body in Christ.” Members Placed by God 1 Corinthians 12 (18)“God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.” The Creative Power of the Word Genesis 1 (3)“Then God said, ‘Let there be light,’ and there was light.”Isaiah 55 (11)“So shall My word be… it shall accomplish what I please.”Hebrews 4 (12)“The word of God is living and powerful.” Greater Works span style="font-size:...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores the central truth that love is the only foundation upon which spiritual life and ministry can function effectively. While doctrine, discipline, gifting, and structure all have their place, they ultimately fail if they are not rooted in the love of God. The speakers identify frustration in ministry, especially around the recognition of the fivefold ministry, as often stemming from a deeper issue—the absence of love as the driving motivation. Love is not about position or title. Christ alone holds the position. The Body functions properly not when offices are recognized, but when believers operate in His presence and His love. True maturity is not defined by visible roles but by oneness formed through divine love. As believers press into love and unity, everything contrary to it surfaces—division, pride, self-will, and accusation. These exposures are not setbacks but part of God’s cleansing process. Love sustains, corrects, humbles, and empowers the Body to function as family. Without it, nothing works. With it, Christ prevails. Show Notes 1. Love as the Core Motivation Change begins with motivation.Ministry, gifts, and discipline fail without love.Love must be the foundation of everything. 2. The House Analogy Structure alone does not make a home livable.Spiritual systems may look perfect but won’t function without love.Love is what makes the “house” of God livable. 3. Frustration Around Fivefold Ministry Correct doctrine does not guarantee effectiveness.Recognition of offices does not produce maturity.The missing element is the impartation and appropriation of God’s love. 4. No Positions in the Family Christ alone holds the position.The fivefold ministry functions organically within the Body.Grace, not title, brings forth true ministry. 5. Love and Oneness Love cannot be separated from unity or fullness.Maturity comes through shared participation in love.Oneness emerges as love deepens. 6. Love Exposes the Opposite Pressing into love brings hidden division to the surface.Accusations and relational tensions test love.Laying down self-will is necessary for unity. 7. Love Sustains and Prevails The Lord prevails through love, not personal striving.Love keeps believers steady through backlash.Failure becomes an opportunity for cleansing and growth. 8. The Example of Moses Korah operated from position-thinking.Moses responded in humility and worship.Love trusts God to defend and establish. Key Quotes “It’s all about motivation.”“If the true motivation of the love of the Lord’s not in your heart… things just fail.”“You can have all your doctrines correct… and yet things don’t work.”“There are no positions in the family.”“He’s the only one with the position.”“Without the love of Christ, you’re nothing.”“Take up the banner of love and oneness—we’re not going any further.”“The Lord will prevail—not you—but the Lord will prevail through you.”“The love of Christ controls us.”“It’s God’s love in all aspects of who we are and what we’re doing.” Scriptural References 1 Corinthians 13 (1–3) Without love, even spiritual gifts and sacrifice amount to nothing. Ephesians 4 (11–16) Fivefold ministry given for maturity and unity in Christ. Colossians 3 (14) Love as the perfect bond of unity. 2 Corinthians 5 (14) “The love of Christ controls us.” Matthew 22 (37–40) The greatest commandments: love God and love others. 1 John 4 (8) “God is love.” 1 John 1 (9) Faithful forgiveness and cleansing. Numbers 16 Moses and Korah — humility before God versus position-seeking. Takeaway Spiritual growth, unity, and effective ministry cannot be manufactured through structure, recognition, or correct teaching alone. The determining factor is love—God’s love imparted, received, and lived out. When love governs: The Body functions without striving.Positions fade and grace emerges.Christ prevails through His people. The real question is not, “Are we structured correctly?” It is, “Are we motivated by love?” Love is not an addition to the foundation. It is the foundation.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. SUMMARY This episode explores what it truly means to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness. The discussion centers on surrendering to Christ’s authority, aligning with His purposes, and allowing Him to manifest His Kingdom through a yielded people. The family emphasizes that worship is not merely singing, but presenting our lives as living sacrifices. True Kingdom alignment is revealed when believers continue loving, trusting, and walking with God regardless of circumstances. The ultimate question remains: Is God enough? SHOW NOTES Seeking first the Kingdom means living under Christ’s authority.Righteousness is alignment with His will, not self-effort.The Kingdom has been present since Christ introduced it and is now being manifested.The Kingdom is revealed through humility and surrendered vessels.We do not bring the Kingdom; we align with His purposes and allow Him to work.Worship is the purest expression of seeking the Kingdom.Worship is not just singing—it is presenting our bodies as living sacrifices.The greatest worship is loving God regardless of circumstance.True commitment says, “I will walk with God whether I live or die.”Overcoming comes through the blood of the Lamb, our testimony, and loving not our lives unto death.The love of the Lord is unchanging and unfathomable.God completes what He begins.The central question: Is God enough in every situation? KEY QUOTES “If He's King, then He's in authority, and whatever He speaks, that we do.”“We don’t bring the Kingdom; we align our spirits with His purposes.”“The greatest worship you and I can give is when, in spite of everything we go through, we say, ‘Yes, I love You.’”“Is God enough for you? Worship Him.”“To love Him is His perfect will.”“There has to be that thing in your spirit that says, ‘I’m going to walk with God regardless if I live or die.’”“The love of the Lord is the key.”“What He has begun, He will complete.” SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES Matthew 6 (33)– Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness.Matthew 11 (12)– The Kingdom suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.Romans 12 (1)– Present your bodies a living sacrifice, your spiritual service of worship.Revelation 12 (11)– Overcome by the blood of the Lamb, the word of testimony, and loving not our lives unto death.Hebrews 12 (2)– Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.Psalm 22 (3)– He dwells in the praises of His people.Jeremiah 31 (33)– I will write My law on their hearts.Philippians 1 (6)– He who began a good work in you will complete it. TAKEAWAY Seeking first the Kingdom is not about activity—it is about surrender. When we worship, yield, and love God regardless of circumstances, we align with His purposes and allow His Kingdom to be manifested through us. The question every believer must answer is simple but profound: Is God enough?

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This message reveals that divine order is not created by human structure, hierarchy, or position, but by submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. In this “new day,” individual independence gives way to corporate submission—each member of the Body aligned under Christ as Head. Ministries such as apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers are not ranks of authority but expressions of the Holy Spirit moving through different members at different times. No individual receives preeminence; the anointing belongs to God alone. Just as a physical body functions in coordinated harmony under the direction of the head, so the Ecclesia functions when every part submits one to another under Christ. Divine order is not democracy, nor hierarchy—it is Spirit-led alignment under the Lordship of Jesus. Show Notes 1. Divine Order Is Not Man-Made Divine order is not someone “setting people in place.”It is not structural hierarchy.It flows from submission to Jesus Christ as Lord.In this day, independence in spiritual life is not sustainable.The whole family must be aligned together. 2. The Holy Spirit Creates the Order The Holy Spirit is the source of all anointing.Ministry roles are not fixed titles but Spirit-led expressions.At one moment someone may function apostolically; at another, differently.The Spirit is the true Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, and Teacher.God does not share His glory with individuals. 3. The Body Functions Through Alignment No part is more important than another.Just as the physical body functions under the brain’s direction, the Body of Christ functions under Christ as Head.When one part is missing or out of alignment, the whole body suffers.Divine order means the right function at the right time under the Spirit’s direction. 4. Submission Is the Key Jesus washing the disciples’ feet demonstrated mutual submission.Leadership exists for equipping the saints—not self-exaltation.“Submit one to another in the fear of God.”Lordship is not democracy; Christ is Lord.Under His Lordship, we are changed and refined. 5. The True Ecclesia The church is not a building but people gathered in submission to Christ.Ministries are gifts for maturity in the Body.God sets members in the Body as it pleases Him.The goal is a mature, functioning Body under Christ. Key Quotes “Divine order is centered in the Holy Spirit.”“It’s not hierarchy—it’s the Holy Spirit expressing Himself.”“God is not going to share His glory with anyone.”“No one has to be the outstanding one—we are all equal in the Body of Christ.”“Submission is such a key point in all of this.”“He’s the Lord—not a democracy.”“When we submit our spirits to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, He controls what we speak.”“There will be order in the Kingdom Ecclesia—and it’s happening.” Scriptural References Lordship & Submission Ephesians 5 (21) “Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.”Philippians 2 (9–11) Every knee bowing to Jesus as Lord.Luke 22 (26–27) The greatest among you shall be as the servant. The Body of Christ 1 Corinthians 12 (12–27) Many members, one body.Romans 12 (4–5) Members one of another.1 Corinthians 12 (18) God sets the members in the body as it pleases Him. Ministry Gifts Ephesians 4 (11–13) Given for equipping the saints.1 Corinthians 12 (4–7) Varieties of gifts, same Spirit. God’s Glory Isaiah 42 (8) “My glory I will not give to another.” The Ecclesia Matthew 18 (20) Where two or three are gathered in My name.Acts 2 (42–47) The functioning early church community. Takeaway Divine order is not about position, prominence, or control—it is about submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. When each member yields to Him and to one another, the Body functions in harmony, maturity, and power. The Spirit determines expression, God receives the glory, and Christ alone remains the Head.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. SUMMARY This podcast explores the deeper work of God beyond salvation and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The family emphasize that true oneness in the Body of Christ is formed not by gifts or experiences, but by the purifying fire of God that burns away the old nature. Many believers stop after initial experiences with the Lord, but God calls His people into a progressive, transformative journey that requires hunger, submission, and surrender. SHOW NOTES Many believers move in gifts but lack ongoing hunger.Gifts alone do not produce oneness—only continual revelation does.The Holy Spirit gives power but not transformation by itself.The fire burns away carnality, individuality, and self-centeredness.The early church was forged in fire—pressure, persecution, divine dealings.True oneness forms when people face fire together.When tested, believers can either submit or become bitter.Trials expose the “chaff”—selfishness, attitudes, and old patterns.God won’t force surrender.The key is asking what God desires.Believers were bought with a price.Self-will and personal control must submit to the potter’s hands.Being Christ’s disciple means relinquishing ownership of one’s life.Christ leads; believers follow.“This is just who I am” is not truth—God plans to remake His people. QUOTES Ken: “The gift without the hunger leaves something lacking.” “There is more. It’s an exciting, eventful journey into God.” “You’re the one God wants to change and create in His image.” Ron: “You may move in the gifts and still be very carnal.” “The fire is the next step God is requiring.” “If you’re not your own, you don’t get to make the decisions about your life anymore.” Debbie: “To become a son, you must go through the fire.” “To be a Kingdom disciple means I no longer belong to myself—I belong entirely to Christ.” “If Christ leads, nothing is wasted.” Mike: “You are not your own… you were bought with a price.” “We glorify God by letting Him come through the vessel.” Lois: “What is being burned out? Selfishness. All of those attitudes.” SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES - 1 Corinthians 6 (19–20) - Acts 2 – Day of Pentecost - Acts 5 (1–11) – Ananias & Sapphira - Philippians 1 (6) - Malachi 3 (2–3) - Romans 12 (1–2) - Luke 22 (42) - Isaiah 64 (8) - John 17 (21–23) TAKEAWAY The pathway to oneness in the Body of Christ is formed in the fire of God that burns away the old nature and forms His likeness in us. The fire reveals motives, removes selfishness, reshapes our identity, and brings us into a unity only God can create. Oneness is born when believers surrender their will, humble their hearts, embrace God’s dealings, and allow Christ to fully live through them. The fire is not punishment—it is formation, God’s love forging His sons into His image, together.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This message reveals that the “greater works” Jesus spoke of are not primarily outward signs and wonders, but the inward work of God forming His people into true oneness. Through the breaking of the human nature and the renewing of the mind and spirit, God is creating a people who can see with His eyes, love with His heart, and function together as a fully formed body in Christ. These greater works culminate in the completion of the Body of Christ—living, unified, and expressing God’s heart toward all. Show Notes • The “greater works” include miracles, but go far beyond outward manifestations • Human personality, mindset, and effort cannot produce true unity • Oneness is a work of the Spirit, not agreement of opinions • God is forming a people who are not recognizable by natural or religious standards • Comparison and self-measurement hinder spiritual transformation • A broken spirit allows God to change us more quickly and deeply • The greatest sign is what happens inwardly before it manifests outwardly • Seeing with God’s eyes removes contempt, prejudice, and judgment • Jesus consistently defied human ideas of worthiness • The ultimate greater work is the completion of the Body of Christ • Oneness reveals God’s heart toward every person • God alone receives the glory—this work cannot be credited to human effort Key Quotes “You cannot bring people into one mind naturally, but in the Spirit, God brings us into oneness.” “The greatest sign you’re going to see is the one that happens inside.” “God is creating something so new that it’s not recognizable—even to our own minds.” “Our spirit needs to be broken so God can change us quicker.” “The greater works ultimately turn into the completion of the Body of Christ.” “We can’t take any credit for this—it’s all about what He’s doing.” Scriptural References John 14 (12) – Greater works than these shall he do Ephesians 4 (13) – Unity of the faith and the full stature of Christ 1 Corinthians 12 (12–27) – One body, many members John 17 (20–23) – Jesus’ prayer for oneness Romans 12 (2) – Transformation through renewing of the mind Philippians 2 (5) – Having the mind of Christ 1 Corinthians 2 (16) – We have the mind of Christ Psalm 51 (17) – A broken and contrite heart Colossians 1 (27–28) – Christ in you, bringing us to completion Takeaway The greater works are not something we perform—they are something God forms within us. As our hearts are softened, our spirits broken before Him, and our vision purified, God brings us into true oneness. This inward transformation produces a unified Body that sees as He sees, loves as He loves, and stands complete together in Christ—right now.