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2026/11/05
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What is the Place of Church Leaders in Determining Repentance in Marital Abuse?
2026/11/05
Years ago, in my seminary ethics course, my professor delved into foundational biblical grounds for divorce.
He noted that the specific grounds for divorce, clearly taught in Scripture, are adultery and desertion. But he went on to explain that the biblical foundation of those two grounds is that they are a “radical breach of the marriage covenant.”
A “radical breach” is not some disagreements or “we have just grown apart.”
When there has been a great betrayal by the spouse such as an adulterous relationship or a pattern of failure to love and care for one's spouse (Exodus 21:7-11), the marriage covenant has been radically broken and God, in His mercy, says the offended spouse may make the radically broken covenant legal through divorce.
Isolation: You Are Not Alone
2026/10/31
Mary and John joined a mission work. They were excited about their ministry in which they would work shoulder to shoulder.
But, now on a mission field far from home, they were under the director's seeming complete control. Their work visa, their house, their children in the mission school. Everything was controlled in some way by the mission agency.
And the director abused his authority and created daily drama in their lives.
He lied. He manipulated. And he isolated them.
There a number of ways those, who are abused in the home or workplace, are isolated by their abusers. Isolation provides secrecy and a means for the abuser to remain unaccountable for his sin.
Kissing Up: Abusive Middle Managers
2026/10/05
It is an extraordinary thing what the God of the universe has done on our behalf. It is written all over the Bible and experienced by millions upon millions through the millennia.
Jesus illustrated this reality in Matthew 18 when he told a parable (or story) of a middle manager (MM), his boss, and a subordinate of his own.
What I want to point out, in the context of this blog, is the toxicity of this middle manager.
A Word of Great Value: Pearls Before Swine
2026/09/04
The CEO was known to use people's words to turn on them. He would simply lie and justify and blame shift when exhorted.
We were concerned that he would simply kick us off the mission then and there and we would be stuck half way around the world from our home. Our children were in their last two months of class time in the mission school.
Yet the CEO said he wanted to hear why we were leaving.
To us it was asking us to stick our necks out with the possibility of being chopped off.
Jesus Was Given All Authority: So . . .
2026/08/08
The king sat down to his royal feast with some of his closest advisers. His power was felt by all who sat with him.
Yet, the king knew that he was going to be betrayed by one of those advisers. His secret service had uncovered the plot. He knew an overthrow of his kingdom was at hand.
Toxic Followership: Moses and Korah
2026/08/01
There have been numerous cases where leaders in the church—though not perfect in character or in leadership skill—have been rejected by followers who instead wish to be the leader.
The motive behind the rebellion is not that the leader is disqualified from leadership but rather the follower arrogantly assumes he or she can do it better.
Traumatic Praise: Well-Meaning Re-Abuse
2026/07/31
Praising abusive leaders, no matter how much good they have also done, can further traumatize those who have suffered under their leadership.
When should we keep our mouths shut when speaking well of the dead?
Susie's Story: The Care and Feeding of an Autocrat
2026/07/31
“Susie” was employed as the Programming and Missions Director in a non-denominational church with 400 members.
She served under an autocratic pastor.
The lack of respect shown by the senior pastor created significant hurt. However, Susie only realized the significance of the emotional injury later.
Crazy Making and Abusive Leadership: Who is Crazy Here?
2026/07/31
As my friends and I discussed John 11, I was struck by verses 47 and 48. These couple sentences are so appropo for those who have faced abuse in any setting.
The term "Crazy-Making" is often used to describe this infurtiating experience.
Jesus has just raised his friend, Lazarus from the dead . . .
And yet, this is what the chief priests and Pharisees said.
Making a Difference: Research that is Boots on the Ground in Dracula's Neighborhood
2026/06/23
Truly toxic leadership always ends badly. This is a type of leadership distinguished by a lack of humility to see and respond to their own failings. Sure, there are "grey" leaders who might be too harsh or somewhere along the line of narcisissm, but they respond to confrontation with thoughtfulness and a willingness to work on their leadership skills. But toxic leadership does not possess this humility.
Leadership Wisdom and Humility: God Chose What is Foolish in the World to Shame the Wise
2026/05/29
1st Corinthians 1 says so many things to leaders as well as subordinates in Christian organizations. It speaks of calling and of wisdom and of foolishness and of power and of weakness and of arrogance—all of it which are related to leadership and those who follow.
How Good Leaders are Chosen: Moses and the Exodus
2026/05/17
What makes a leader good is not that he simply rejects prevailing political approaches, speaks his mind, displays power, or brings wealth and fortune to an organization. However, what is fundamental to good leadership is someone who has skills, humility, and cares for the needs of others, particularly the vulnerable.
Tongues Are Sharp As Swords: Verbal Abuse in the Bible
2026/04/29
Those who suggest emotional or verbal abuse is not really abuse need to reconsider scripture.
Why Leave a Toxic Organization?
2026/04/29
In my study of toxic leadership over the years, I have found that many experts in their various fields want to give hope to their readers. They provide many excellent ideas on how to remain under a toxic leader while pursuing a flourishing ministry. I am going to suggest in this blog that they are usually for naught.
Janet's Story: God's Man & Misuse of Spiritual Authority
2026/04/28
Janet's abusive pastor disregarded church protocol, manipulated his congregation, and exerted authority. She eventually sought healing and learned valuable lessons. She advises others to trust their instincts, uphold core values, seek support, and educate the church on abusive leadership.
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