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In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss how organizations can shift from crisis reaction to collective sustainable adaptability in today’s turbulent climate. The biggest challenge many leaders face is leading organizations through complex crisis and chaotic disruption. Whether faced with adapting to ever-changing circumstances, or the fallout from economic instability, leaders are juggling challenges that reactive behaviors and process pivots are unable to simply resolve. To ensure long-term success, organizations must rethink adaptability itself and adjust their leadership to address the needs of the future.  Read our insights on how organizations can shift their organization’s culture, individual capacities, and collective capabilities to thrive amid disruption.    What to Explore Next:  Reinvention Through Disruption: Moving From Perpetual Crisis to Collective Adaptability - https://www.ccl.org/guides/perpetual-crisis-leadership-in-disruption/  Vertical vs. Horizontal Development - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/developing-talent-youre-probably-missing-vertical-development/  Can You Identify Your Organization’s Leadership Culture? - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/whats-your-leadership-culture/     Related Solutions:  Leading Through Uncertainty- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-challenges/leadership-through-uncertainty/  Strategic Thinking Training for Leaders- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/thinking-acting-strategically/   Organizational Culture- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-challenges/organizational-culture/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison explore the importance of talent development as leaders navigate challenges and prepare their organizations for the future. Developing talent is more than just education and training, especially in the context of today’s ever-changing and complex world. It involves identifying the mindsets, skills, and behaviors that will build capabilities and push your organization forward. By layering talent development with adaptability and a culture of learning, leaders can thrive through the unexpected and build strong, future-focused teams. Ren and Allison discuss what our research can teach leaders about talent development, and lead with that. Read our report on the most common talent development challenges leaders face and actionable insights to address them.   What to Explore Next: Talent Development Challenges for HR and L&D Leaders- https://www.ccl.org/articles/white-papers/challenge-of-talent-development/ Why & How to Show Boss Support for Your Employees’ Development- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/practical-ways-boss-support-development/ Building Leadership Capacity: Overcoming Talent Development Challenges - https://events.ccl.org/wcc/eh/4553267/lp/4976883/building-leadership-capability-overcoming-talent-development-challenges   Related Solutions: Talent Development - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-challenges/talent-development/ Talent Conversations Training- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/talent-conversations/ The Strategic Leader Program- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/strategic-leader/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss a historic chapter in modern leadership: the papal conclave. After the passing of Pope Francis this April, the world has watched in anticipation wondering which leader will be elected to carry on his legacy. Known for his authenticity and humility, his approach redefined traditional papal leadership and set the stage for those after him. Though the papal election process is centuries old, the character, vision, and leadership qualities of the next Pope will have a profound impact on the future and feel more important than ever. Ren and Allison discuss what we can learn from this historic conclave, and lead with that.   What to Explore Next: Purpose in Leadership: Why & How - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/purpose-in-leadership-why-how/ What Is Authentic Leadership, and Why Does It Matter? - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/authenticity-1-idea-3-facts-5-tips/ Direction + Alignment + Commitment (DAC) = Leadership - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/make-leadership-happen-with-dac-framework/   Related Solutions: Authentic Leadership Training - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/authentic-leadership/ Leading Through Change Training - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/leading-through-change/ Organizational Culture - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-challenges/organizational-culture/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison explore the vast expanse of space in the context of leadership. On June 5, 2024, NASA astronauts Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore journeyed into space for an 8-day trip to the International Space Station. To their surprise, returning to Earth became more complicated than expected. They were delayed several times due to a myriad of issues. On March 28, 2025, after 286 days – almost 9 months – at the space station, Williams and Wilmore safely returned back to Earth.  While life in space is much different from Earth, the leadership skills and resilience the astronauts showed in the face of uncertainty are tools that other leaders can relate to. Ren and Allison discuss what we can learn from their courageous journey, and lead with that.     What to Explore Next:   8 Practices for More Resilient Leadership-  https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/8-steps-help-become-resilient/   How to Lead Through a Crisis- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/how-to-lead-through-a-crisis/   Why You Should Collaborate Across Boundaries- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/boundary-spanning-the-leadership-advantage/     Related Solutions:   Resilience Training- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/resilience-training/   Boundary Spanning Leadership Training- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/boundary-spanning/  Leadership Paradox Training- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/leadership-paradox/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison tackle the Oscars—not by debating who should or shouldn’t have won, but by highlighting what we can learn about leadership from the Oscar nominees. For example, what does Wicked have to say about maintaining relationships when dealing with adversity? Or what can a character from another planet teach us about staying true to ourselves when making difficult decisions? And finally, is there something we can learn from established actor Demi Moore about taking risks and staying relevant? Ren and Allison tease out these lessons and others from this year’s Oscar contenders.     What to Explore Next: What Is Authentic Leadership, and Why Does It Matter? - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/authenticity-1-idea-3-facts-5-tips/ How to Foster an Innovative Mindset at Your Organization- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/how-do-you-respond-to-a-new-idea/ Leadership Resilience: Handling Stress, Uncertainty, and Setbacks- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/leadership-resiliency-handling-stress-uncertainty-and-setbacks/   Related Solutions: Better Conversations and Coaching - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/better-conversations-leadership-coaching-training/ Authentic Leadership Training - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/authentic-leadership/ Resilience Training for Leaders - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/resilience-training/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss how leaders can learn to navigate tough conversations with their teams. Amid fast-paced news cycles and constant notifications at our fingertips, handling our own thoughts and feelings about current events can feel difficult, let alone understanding those of the people around us. Yet, one of the most important responsibilities of leadership is creating a safe space for tough conversations. Whether you’re managing conflict or providing feedback, it’s crucial for leaders to foster an environment where honest and open conversations can take place, despite how uncomfortable they may be. Ren and Allison explore what leaders can learn about the importance of handling tough conversations head-on, and lead with that.   What to Explore Next: 5 Steps for Tackling Difficult Conversations - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/5-steps-for-tackling-tough-conversations/ How to Approach Challenging Conversations – https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/how-to-approach-challenging-conversations/   What Is Active Listening?- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/coaching-others-use-active-listening-skills/   Related Solutions: Listening to Understand - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/listen-to-understand/ Conversational Skills Training - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-coaching/coaching-skills-better-conversations-training/ Emotional Intelligence Training for Leaders - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/emotional-intelligence-training/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss the DNA analysis company 23andMe, and what its challenges mean for consumers in the ever-evolving digital landscape. 23andMe and other organizations in the DNA analysis industry have revolutionized personal genomics and empowered millions of people to gain access to their genetic information. But now that their business and success are faltering, many questions are arising surrounding the collection and use of genetic data. As the future of this industry becomes more and more uncertain, consumers are wondering what this means for their data and DNA privacy and how leadership and ethical business practices – or a lack thereof – influence their lives. Especially in our digital world where it’s almost impossible be a consumer without allowing some companies access to our personal information, what role do transparency and trust play in leadership?   What to Explore Next:   Why Trust Is Critical to Team Success - https://www.ccl.org/articles/research-reports/trust-critical-team-success/ Why Leadership Trust Is Critical, Especially in Times of Change - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/why-leadership-trust-is-critical-in-times-of-change-and-disruption/ How to Build Trust as a Leader (and Keep It) - https://www.ccl.org/webinars/how-to-build-trust-as-a-leader-and-keep-it/   Related Solutions: Psychological Safety Training - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/psychological-safety-training/ Communication & Leadership - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/leadership-and-communication-skills/ Leadership Development Program (LDP)® - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/leadership-development-program/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss the lessons we can learn about leadership from the TV series “Ted Lasso.” Known for its unique comedy and empathetic characters, the show is hailed as the perfect balance of humor and humanity. It also speaks to the power of optimism, resilience, and well-rounded leadership, and how when these come together, they can lead to unexpected and remarkable outcomes. Listen in as Ren and Allison explore what we can learn from “Ted Lasso” about the importance well-wounded leadership. “Ted Lasso” is the winner in our special Lead With That series, “Manager Madness,” where we discuss public figures, real or fictional, who embody leadership through both their actions and ability to inspire others. Our listeners voted in a “Manager Madness” bracket on social media stories to rank which leaders they would want to work with the most. Over the last several months, Ren and Allison have chatted about what it would be like to work with each leader.   What to Explore Next: How to Grow as a Leader - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/how-to-grow-as-a-leader/ How to Succeed as a Leader - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/6-ways-to-succeed-as-a-leader/ How to Use Experience to Fuel Leadership Development - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/use-experience-fuel-leadership-development/   Related Solutions: Leadership Development Program (LDP)® - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/leadership-development-program/ Leadership Fundamentals Course: Lead 4 Success® - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/fundamental-leadership-skills-training/ Organizational Leadership - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/organizational-leadership/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss what we can learn about leadership from the Duttons, a family featured in multiple TV series centered around their journey through post-Civil War America, the turn of the 20th century, and modern day. The franchise is known for its realistic depiction of life in the American West and for highlighting experiences that many can relate to, offering lessons on growth, personal development, and expanding perspective that we can apply to our own leadership experiences. Listen in as Ren and Allison explore what we can learn from the Dutton family’s journey in the context of leadership. This is the 7th episode in our special Lead With That series, “Manager Madness,” where we discuss public figures, real or fictional, who embody leadership through both their actions and ability to inspire others. Our listeners voted in a “Manager Madness” bracket on social media stories to rank which leaders they would want to work with the most. Over several months, Ren and Allison will be chatting about each of them one by one until we reveal the winner.   What to Explore Next: Network Perspective and Leadership: Are You Connected?- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/a-broad-perspective-a-must-have-for-promotion/ A Broad Perspective: A Must-Have for Promotion - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/a-broad-perspective-a-must-have-for-promotion/ Developing Talent? You’re Probably Missing Vertical Development - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/developing-talent-youre-probably-missing-vertical-development/   Related Solutions: Learning Agility & Leadership Agility - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/learning-agility/ Individual Leadership Development- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-challenges/individual-leadership-development/  Leadership Development Program (LDP)® - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/leadership-development-program/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss trailblazer and former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Widely known for her steadfast political acumen and role in shaping US international relations, Rice is also hailed as a distinguished author, professor, and decision-maker for several organizations and corporations. One thing that stands out about Rice’s leadership is her emphasis on the role of values in leadership, which she believes lead to stronger leaders and cohesive teams. Listen in as Ren and Allison explore what we can learn from Rice’s philosophies on leadership. This is the 6th episode in our special Lead With That series, “Manager Madness,” where we discuss public figures, real or fictional, who embody leadership through both their actions and ability to inspire others. Our listeners voted in a “Manager Madness” bracket on social media stories to rank which leaders they would want to work with the most. Over several months, Ren and Allison will be chatting about each of them one by one until we reveal the winner.   What To Explore Next: How to Set Achievable Goals (That Align With Your Values) - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/achievable-personal-goals-align-with-values/ Purpose in Leadership: Why & How - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/purpose-in-leadership-why-how/ How Leadership Works - https://www.ccl.org/articles/white-papers/how-leadership-works/   Related Solutions: Self-Awareness Training for Leaders - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/self-awareness-training-leadership/ Authentic Leadership - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/authentic-leadership/ Leadership Development Program (LDP)® - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/leadership-development-program/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss entrepreneur and venture capitalist Bryan Johnson and the leadership lessons we can glean from his business and health-related endeavors. Notably known for his pursuit of everlasting youth, Johnson has become an emerging figure in the longevity and anti-aging space. With a global audience showing interest in his journey, many wonder what the implications of this path may be, and what this signifies on a larger scale about the role that perspective plays in leadership. This is the 5th episode in our special Lead With That series, “Manager Madness,” where we discuss public figures, real or fictional, who embody leadership through both their actions and ability to inspire others. Our listeners voted in a “Manager Madness” bracket on social media stories to rank which leaders they would want to work with the most. Over several months, Ren and Allison will be chatting about each of them one by one until we reveal the winner.   What to Explore Next: A Broad Perspective: A Must-Have for Promotion - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/a-broad-perspective-a-must-have-for-promotion/ Network Perspective and Leadership: Are You Connected? - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/networks-and-leadership-are-you-connected/ The Most Important Leadership Competencies - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/most-important-leadership-competencies/   Related Solutions: Feedback Training That Works - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/giving-effective-feedback-that-works/ Leadership Development Program (LDP)® - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/leadership-development-program/ Individual Leadership Development - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-challenges/individual-leadership-development/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss what we can learn about leadership from the TV show “Schitt’s Creek.” Since airing in 2015, the series has become beloved by audiences for its comedic storytelling and its unique take on character development. Though the town of Schitt’s Creek and its characters are fictional, the show offers many lessons on the importance of growth and the strength that comes from the journey to self-awareness. Listen in as Ren and Allison explore what we can learn from the characters’ experiences in the context of leadership. This is the 4th episode in our special Lead With That series, “Manager Madness,” where we discuss public figures, real or fictional, who embody leadership through both their actions and ability to inspire others. Our listeners voted in a “Manager Madness” bracket on social media stories to rank which leaders they would want to work with the most. Over several months, Ren and Allison will be chatting about each of them one by one until we reveal the winner.   What to Explore Next: 4 Sure-Fire Ways to Boost Your Self-Awareness- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/4-ways-boost-self-awareness/ Understand Social Identity to Lead in a Changing World- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/understand-social-identity-to-lead-in-a-changing-world/ A Complete Guide to Self-Promotion at Work- https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/complete-guide-to-self-promotion/   Related Solutions: Self-Awareness Training for Leaders - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/self-awareness-training-leadership/  Lead 4 Success®- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/fundamental-leadership-skills-training/ Leadership Development Program (LDP)® - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/leadership-development-program/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss the climax of the ongoing rivalry between music artists Drake and Kendrick Lamar. After years of alluding to mentions of each other in their music, the feud came to a head when they shifted to air their grievances directly, a common aspect of hip-hop music culture. While both are well known for being influential artists and leaders, their duel has raised questions surrounding the impact of self-expression during times of conflict, especially in the workplace. While there is value in being able to express frustrations freely, this conversation highlights from a leadership perspective, why finding a middle ground through constructive conversations and conflict resolution is the best route to take, especially during tough situations at work.     What to Explore Next:   5 Steps for Tackling Difficult Conversations - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/5-steps-for-tackling-tough-conversations/  6 Tips for Leading Through Conflict in the Workplace - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/calm-conflict-in-the-workplace/  The 7 Costs of “Conflict Incompetence” - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/the-cost-of-conflict-incompetence/     Related Solutions:   Conflict Resolution for Leaders - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/conflict-resolution-training-for-leaders/  Conversational Skills Training - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-coaching/coaching-skills-better-conversations-training/  Better Conversations Every Day™ - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-programs/better-conversations-every-day-coaching-culture/

In this episode of Lead with That, Ren and Allison discuss superstar Beyoncé and the leadership lessons that we can learn from the music, business, and philanthropic accomplishments she has made throughout her career. From her start in the ’90s as part of girl group Destiny’s Child to now, Beyoncé has worked to become a dominant force in the music industry and beyond. Not only has she achieved unparalleled success as an artist, but she has been hailed as an innovator, influential leader, and unwavering advocate for the rights of many marginalized groups – working to pave the way for those who come after her. Beyoncé is proof that authenticity, resilience, and influence are valued aspects of leadership. Listen in as Ren and Allison discuss what it would be like to work with Beyoncé as their manager. This is the third episode in our special Lead With That series, “Manager Madness,” where we discuss public figures, real or fictional, who embody leadership through both their actions and ability to inspire others. Our listeners voted in a “Manager Madness” bracket on social media stories to rank which leaders they would want to work with the most. Over several months, Ren and Allison will be chatting about each of them one by one until we reveal the winner.   What to explore next: Authentic Leadership: What It Is, Why It Matters - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/authenticity-1-idea-3-facts-5-tips/ How to Influence People: 4 Skills for Influencing Others - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/4-keys-strengthen-ability-influence-others/ Practices for More Resilient Leadership - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/8-steps-help-become-resilient/   Related solutions: Authentic Leadership - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/authentic-leadership/ Resilience Training - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/resilience-training/ Influence Skills Training - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/influence-skills-training/

In this episode of Lead With That, Ren and Allison discuss the recent downsizing at Tesla and the ripple effect that massive layoffs have on leaders and employees across organizations and industries. Beginning this June, Tesla announced plans to lay off around 2,600 employees over a 2-week period, a large percentage of its global workforce. The announcement adds to a growing list of companies following the same pattern: years of growth followed by massive layoffs, leaving thousands of employees in a dreaded position. So, what’s the solution? Ultimately, employees and lower-level leaders don’t always have the power to influence these decisions, but they do have the ability to lead themselves and their teams though the fallout in an impactful and positive way.   While as a leader there always needs to be a balance between nurturing employees and focusing on the bottom line, the conversation highlights why great leadership is what makes the most difference during times of conflict and disruption.     What to Explore Next:   Lead With That: What Elon Musk Can Teach Us About Leadership & the Future of Work - https://www.ccl.org/podcasts/lead-with-that-what-elon-musk-can-teach-us-about-leadership-the-future-of-work/    How to Lead Effectively Through Disruption - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/lead-effectively-disruptive-world/    How to Be a Successful Change Leader - https://www.ccl.org/articles/leading-effectively-articles/successful-change-leader/    Related Solutions:   Leading Through Change & Disruption - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/leadership-topics/leading-through-change/  Organizational Change & Transformation - https://www.ccl.org/leadership-solutions/organizational-leadership/organizational-change-transformation/  Change Leadership- https://www.ccl.org/leadership-challenges/change-leadership/     About the Center for Creative Leadership: Leadership is all we do. But our approach is distinct. We work with you to discover your priorities and customize our unique leadership solutions to best fit your needs. We create leaders who move their worlds. Our innovative solutions are steeped in extensive research and experience gained from tens of thousands of organizations, a million+ leaders at all levels, and leaders in more than 130 countries, across 6 continents. We deliver results that matter – sustained impact for you, your business and the world. www.ccl.org