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50 episodes
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Date created
2021/06/18
Latest episode
2026/11/01
Average duration
26 min.
Release period
39 days
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Three Associating is a podcast that offers the listener a peek behind the closed doors of therapists working within a relational psychoanalytic model. Join Rachael and Andrew as they explore with their supervisor Gill how their own hidden feelings and motivations influence the therapeutic process and affect their patients. In each episode, a relational dilemma arising in the context of work with a fictitious patient is explored. While reasons of confidentiality and privacy mean that none of the patients we discuss are real, the relational dynamics are. www.threeassociating.com
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Episode 10: I'm Glad My Mum Died (The Encore)
2026/11/01
In this episode, Rachael asks 'what is the value of the therapist’s hostility?' While the answer is always contextual, Rachael and Gill explore how hostility can serve as a defence against vulnerability and a longing for closeness. They also explore together the importance of affect and the ability to tolerate a range of emotions without shame including the negative affects.
The session also highlights how being in emotion whether positive or negative may obscure other levels of analysis which are attached to meaning and words. Rachael ponders why there had been a certain rigidity in her feelings towards the patient and what eventually may have allowed her to move beyond the rigidity.
The supervision session concludes with an acknowledgment that countertransference feelings are mercurial when the work is going well and when it isn’t attending to the rigidity is a push in the right direction .
Episode 9: Feudal Lord Forever? Maturing Through Play
2026/10/04
In this episode, Andrew gives new meaning to Winnicott's idea of “playing with reality” as he tries to help his patient into a more social reality through the medium of play. In the session, Andrew and Gill reflect together on the fact that in a long-term therapy both the patient and the therapist develop beyond where they started and that the match between them needs to be re-thought in the light of this.
In the beginning of the supervision, Andrew finds himself making a division in his head between work and play but then comes to realise that while the play is the work, there nevertheless is still room to transform the mode of play. In this way, the possibility of thinking about elided topics such as sexuality opens up. In addition, there is an opening up to a more enlivened way of working in the transference.
Episode 8: When A Patient Dies - Funerals And Feelings
2026/09/06
In this episode, Andrew deals with the poignancy of the premature death of his patient. His presenting problem in the supervision is whether or not he should go to the funeral. While this is indeed a dilemma to be reckoned with, as the session unfolds it becomes clear that there are many other issues and feelings that are masked by Andrew’s focus on the issue of the funeral.
One of the issues Andrew is struggling with underneath the tangible funeral issue is allowing himself to feel both his sadness at the death of the patient as well as his own significance to her. In the course of supervision, Andrew finds that he is caught in a dynamic that is familiar to him where it is easier for him to go to conflict than to go to more tender feelings.
Andrew explores some of the unconscious ploys that he uses to avoid certain feelings and comes to acknowledge the Lacanian claim that feelings can lie. Thus one feeling for example guilt can be used to cover over another for example mourning. This frees Andrew to more thoughtfully approach the issue of whether or not to go to the funeral and to understand the deeper meaning of his dilemma.
Episode 7: "I Feel Unsafe" - Victimisation and Fragilisation
2026/08/02
In this episode, Rachael takes on a number of important questions including when is it appropriate to bypass defences by uniting with the patient’s perspective and when to try to get under the defences and how to do this . Similarly, Rachael explores the question of when to push against resistance and when to work around resistance or go to a third option of analysing the resistance.
Rachael also comes up against the fact that her memory of the patient in a previous phase of therapy is affecting her ability to simply be present with the patient in the current moment.
Following Bion's dictum to try to be without memory or desire, Rachael is able to reappropriate the value of working in the transference-countertransference matrix as it is unfolding in the room. She is also able to share with the patient the load of reflection and thought by asking questions and directing the treatment rather than doing all the work herself.
Episode 6: Frustration and Envy - The Apparent Luxury of Collapse
2026/07/05
In this episode, Andrew encounters a patient whose stated objective is to own her own competence and self assuredness and to be more like him. Andrew anticipates encountering a people pleaser and is surprised when he encounters a lack of it. The patient stonewalls him in particular moments She resists his attempts to move closer by masking her anger and collapsing into tears and shutting him down.
In response, Andrew consciously carries her denied anger but denies his own unconscious envy of her freedom to collapse. This leads him to subtly undercut her anger while consciously intending to invite it.
In this interplay of the patient’s and therapist’s joint unconscious denials, affect heightens and thought decreases. Through supervision, a better balance between feeling and thought is achieved and Andrew moves forward taking ownership of his own envy in the gender wars.
Episode 5: I'm Glad My Mum Died, But It's A Shame I Didn't Get To Kill Her
2026/05/31
In this episode, Rachael gets tangled up in her own anger and hostility towards her patient on behalf of the patient’s daughter. While trying to distance herself from the patient's enmeshment with the daughter she inadvertently gets enmeshed herself in the patient’s dynamic.
By more fully accessing her anger with the patient and realising that in her mind she has been treating the daughter rather than the patient, she is able to recenter herself more clearly with the patient in the room.
The importance of feeling into the therapy and not only thinking into the therapy is emphasised, with the end point of integrating both. Rachael must own her murderous rage towards the mother/patient and to reflect on its meaning and beyond that have the capacity to articulate it in a form which can be heard by the patient. By the end of the session, Rachael is able to achieve this.
Episode 4: Therapy Terminable And Interminable
2026/05/03
In this episode, Andrew struggles with the question of therapy terminable and interminable. He faces an ethical dilemma as to whether continuing therapy with a particular patient who has made considerable gains would be in some way unethical.
Andrew is thoughtful about the issue of fostering dependence which is an important issue to consider. However, he finds through supervision that he has unconsciously stepped into enacting the role of the patient's authoritarian father who imposed separations on the patient as a child.
Andrew comes to see he has engaged in a subtle power struggle and has unconsciously used psychoanalytic premises as an anti analytical third that blocks thought rather than facilitates it. Interestingly, Andrew’s awareness of the enactments in therapy are discovered through a parallel process that emerges in the supervisory relational field.
Episode 3: Fostering Dependence And Nurturing Independence
2026/04/05
In this episode, Rachael struggles with her own feelings about her therapy being cut across by a psychiatrist who seems to be opposed to long term therapy.
She feels activated especially as the patient has asked her to intervene and contact the psychiatrist.
In supervision, she engages with her frustration at the interference in her treatment and her therapeutic relationship and also her anger in relation to the zeitgeist that opposes in-depth therapy.
Rachael recognises that in her activation she gets pulled into focusing more on the zeitgeist and less on the patient and is hooked by the emergence of her own sibling rivalry .
These are not enacted with the patient but they interfere with Rachael’s ability to think about the analytic meaning of the patient’s request. Through supervision, she is able to see that she is inadvertently being invited into a split and while activated is loosing the opportunity to explore the psychodynamic meaning of the patient’s request. Through this understanding she returns to her analytic position.
Episode 2: The Impenetrable Couple - Therapist As Third Wheel
2026/03/01
In this episode, Andrew presents an unusual situation where a patient requires his partner to be present in his therapy not to work on couple dynamics, but as a benign observer.
Andrew finds himself unable to resist this demand both because Andrew is ideologically opposed to imposing his will on the patient and because he can’t in the moment think why the patient’s preference should be resisted.
Andrew consciously accepts the patient’s narrative that therapy should take place in the threesome but unconsciously resists it. This resistance manifests in an insistent thought that the therapy will be short term.
In supervision, he realises that the thought is a wish covering over his frustration at being manoeuvred into working in a way that is restrictive and recognises that he is in the presence of a merger.
Andrew comes to see this merger as less sweet and more problematic than he had thought and he determines to use his frustration to challenge the merger and negotiate a different therapeutic frame.
Episode 1: I Used ChatGPT And I Still Got Castrated
2026/02/01
In this episode, Rachael struggles with her impulse to be castrating when she encounters what she experiences as an impenetrable patient, a Citadel. She is irked by the patient constantly batting away her interventions and seemingly needing to know better than her.
In this episode, she and Gill discuss a stinging intervention that Rachael made. The problem was less the intervention itself than Rachael’s desire to cut the patient down, a desire she recognised and asked for help to resist. Through supervision Rachael was able to be more in touch with the patient’s vulnerability and developmental age and to move past the power struggle the patient evoked and to think about how to engage his vulnerability.
Episode 8: Hot Shrink For A Hot Minute: Erotic Transference Part II
2025/09/07
In this episode, Rachael plumbs the mysteries of the erotic, both in the transference and the countertransference; mysterious because it occurs in liminal or transitional space as Winnicott would say. It is a space of illusion and disillusion where it is not clear what belongs to who. Both Rachael and her patient playfully enjoy the experience, while both in their own way bring in a third to dilute the experience. Rachael becomes aware of her own loss in this and is able both to observe and experience it while also observing and experiencing her patient's change. Together with Gill, the associators conclude that sometimes it is better to settle the waters by not stirring them. The erotic is often beyond words, and thus leaving the erotic known but unarticulated is, in this instance, a good option.
Episode 7: Jetlagging: The Unconscious Hiding In Plane Sight
2025/08/17
In his therapy with Noor, Andrew comes to realise that he is inadvertently co-constructing an avoidance of grieving and mourning. Through a careful unpacking of enactments in the room, Andrew comes to see how mini separations and losses within the therapy caused by sessions ending and holidays taken influence both the content and process of therapy. Through modifications in the pace and rhythms of therapy, Noor unconsciously communicates her grief. Andrew initially struggles to recognise this as to do so involves him in accepting loss himself. Andrew is helped by his unconscious, which reveals itself in the session both through an enactment of a jet lagged state, and an understanding of what the words jet lag signify. Thus, an understanding of both the music and the the words of the session, as it developed in supervision, allowed a paradigm shift from intellectual defence to emotional engagement.
Episode 6: Not Messing Around: The Pleasures Of Being A Mean Girl
2025/07/13
In this episode, Rachael encounters the uncanny intelligence of the patient's unconscious. The patient, having criticised Rachael for her “messy” management of her clinical practice then adopts the same management style and surreptitiously benefits from it. Feeling guilty, the patient has a dream revealing these dynamics but withholds her insights from Rachael. This produces a desire in Rachael to be mean and partake of the jouissance of revenge. By unpacking her own unconscious with Gill, it becomes clear to Rach that her countertransference wish is a clue to the patient's fear, which is preventing her from surrendering into the patient position.
Episode 5: Up Against The Limit: Staring Into The Void
2025/06/15
In this episode, Andrew finds himself embodying traumas the patient has experienced but has placed an explicit prohibition on articulating. During his therapy sessions with Rob, Andrew respects this prohibition. There is much else to speak about and the session feels lively. However, after every session Andrew feels strangely dead, reflecting a limit on his capacity to comfortably process powerful affects when words are off limit and the patient wishes to screen off pain and to avoid facing into the void.
Questions are raised about the perils of going along with the patient's wish not to speak the unspeakable as well the dangers of not doing so.
All the while, the affective registration of Rob's screened off trauma persists at somatic and affective levels in Andew as an embodiment of Rob's traumatic memories. The power of this is barely tolerable and Andrew feels doomed if he does speak and doomed if he doesn’t, but in the supervision he explores the possibility of a third way and finds a way out of the binary.
Episode 4: I'm Not OK That You're OK
2025/05/11
In this episode, Andrew presents us with an insoluble ethical dilemma. Is it desirable or even possible for therapists to remain neutral when the patient lives by a value system very discrepant from their own and seems to do so comfortably and credits the therapy for this outcome?
Andrew and Gill agree that therapists are not neutral as they have their own moral compasses, even if they believe it is incumbent on them to bracket them. They also agree it is fair to question the patient about the consequences of their new found comfort with problematic actions and to explore if the comfort is authentic or defensive.
However, Andrew and Gill also accept that they may be defending themselves against accepting the patient's comfort with a lack of empathy for those in his ambit. They are left with the question 'Whose defensiveness is it anyway?'.
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NTDoherty 2026/10/22
Useful and inspiring
The associating has helped me bridge many gaps in my psychodynamic training and helped me be a better and more successful therapist.
evp28 2026/09/14
excellent
extremely smart and thoughtful show. I surprise myself frequently forgetting that the cases are fictional. please, please keep making this show!!
enteranotherandtryonemoretime 2026/09/11
love
This podcast helps me so much to continue to work relationally and courageously. It’s sensitive and intelligent and humorous and strong. Please keep t...
Amy P - NYC 2026/06/24
A true gem
This is a must listen for any student of relationship psychoanalysis! The realness of the dynamics and the therapists vulnerabilities help normalize t...
Bombpop555 2026/06/16
Love the pod, really gets me thinking!
Love learning from and reflecting on these cases. They’re fictitious but so relatable to much of my own work as a therapist. Thank you for keeping the...
Helennist 2026/05/28
So interesting!
Great podcast, keep ‘em coming, please!
aRead.. 2025/08/28
Love this AND add more?
It’s so informative to hear the real life application of psychoanalysis and these 3 are entertaining.
One thing that would be incredible to hear is a...
ksjduwhdhus 2025/07/02
So supportive to my practice!
I’m so glad I found this podcast! The trio fearlessly dives into the taboo topics that come up for therapists—things most of us probably experience bu...
ceridwenmorris 2025/06/22
Fantastic insights
Always amazed to see where these sessions go. The conundrums are always so specific and curious; Gill’s insights and the way she guides the inquiry ...
AnyaMire 2025/05/14
Incredibly useful
I am a newish psychotherapist who is interested in depth therapy. This podcast is so useful to me. I recommend it to any fellow therapy ‘nerd’ who wan...
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