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Two drinks in for part two of this conversation about women bartenders! Kamea shares some takeaways from her research on the legal history of female bartending, and Rose mixes another zesty cocktail for the table.  Listen now for more personal stories, history, and tips on making cocktails at home. If you laughed or learned something from our show, please share Thyme to Chat with a friend and rate us on your favorite app. It really makes a difference as we make this community. Protection of the Patriarchy  Reflecting on women’s relationship to bartending we see a continued fight for equal rights. Both for the opportunity to serve, but also to patron public drinking establishments. Turning to Britain we can read up on the “Barmaid Problem” as women attempted to create careers in Victorian hospitality. This attitude of a grave social problem is echoed in the United States and starts to boil over in the 1940s with renewed smear campaigns against female bartenders.  In 1948, Justice Felix Frankfurter wrote an opinion on behalf of the Supreme Court that affirmed the decision to only allow women to bartend if the establishment was owned by her husband or father. The ruling on Goesaert v. Cleary was to protect women from morally corrupt work environments. This was not overturned until the 1976 case Craig v. Boren. Here young RBG made discrimination on the basis of sex (language used in the passing of title nine just four years prior) a man's problem. For more on his groundbreaking case tune in to this episode of RadioLab.  She Persisted Women have been trailblazing behind the bar for years. Some notable names include Ada Coleman, who is most well-known for creating her signature cocktail the Hanky Panky. In 1903, she was the first (and only) woman to be awarded the position of head bartender at The Savoy. She held this position for 23 years. Less well known is  Marcy Skowronski, who made her bar a free the t*****s zone and was a bartender until she was 92 years old! Today women make up a large percentage of bartenders in the United States but are still navigating social dynamics that impact their work opportunities.  Connect with us on Instagram: @thymetochatpodcast  You can connect with your hosts at @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal.   *This show contains strong language and is not appropriate in all settings. Listener discretion is advised* Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

Rose shares some juicy secrets about being a woman behind the bar. Listen now for some personal stories, history, and tips on making cocktails at home. If you laughed or learned something from our show, please share Thyme to Chat with a friend and rate us on your favorite app. It really makes a difference as we make this community.  Connect with us on Instagram: @thymetochatpodcast  You can connect with your hosts at @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal.   *This show contains strong language and is not appropriate in all settings. Listener discretion is advised* ___ Rose's Old Fashion 1 Sugar cube or ¼-½ tsp of sugar -2 dash angostura bitters -3 dash orange bitter -1.5oz barrel aged Gin -Ice cubes -Cherry (luxardo, maraschino, amaretto, or any canned cherry) -Orange Peel Procedure: Place your sugar into a rocks glass or mason jar dash angostura and orange bitters on top of your sugar. Using a muddler or wooden spoon, crush your sugar cube and lightly mash the sugar into the bitters until incorporated. Pour your Gin into the bottom of your glass and top with ice. About ¾ full. Using a bar spoon or soup spoon stir. With the confidence of an experienced lover's hand, keep the back of the spoon gently pressed against the inside of your glass to ensure a smooth spin. Continue to stir until the outside of the glass is foggy and cold to the touch. Garnish with an orange peel and a cherry.   Bitters In mixology, the world of bitters is vast and magical. Prohibition-era cocktails are where we start to see bitters hit the cocktail scene. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

Listen to our to our thoughts on how to get erotic in the kitchen--as a real person. In this episode, we chat about what it looks like to bring aphrodisiacs into your kitchen. How do you actually invite pleasure into your cooking?   If you laughed or learned something from our show, please share Thyme to Chat with a friend and rate us on your favorite app. It really makes a difference as we make this community.   Connect with us on Instagram: @thymetochatpodcast  You can connect with your hosts at @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal.    *This show contains strong language and is not appropriate in all settings. Listener discretion is advised* ----more----   Pasta > Sex? Rose's favorite pasta recipe. For our experienced  pasta mixers see the ratios below. For those who need more guidance on methodology, please connect with your hosts for visual instructions.   2 C Semolina flour 1 Tsp Kosher salt 2 Large eggs  5-6 Egg yolks  1.5 tsp Olive oil  For the home cook that wants to make pasta without the labor of making pasta, we encourage you to try your hand at scratch made  gnocchi . Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

So Kamea experienced a foodgasm, and Rose quit her job what better way to process than to podcast?  Finishing our exploration of sex and food with a conversation about aphrodisiacs. Are they even real? What is so alluring and exotic about them? Listen to hear a personal exploration of these questions as well as some unexpected Kitchen Confessions.  If you laughed or learned something from our show, please share Thyme to Chat with a friend and rate us on your favorite app. It really makes a difference as we make this community. Connect with us on Instagram: @thymetochatpodcast  You can connect with your hosts at @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal.    *This show contains strong language and is not appropriate in all settings. Listener discretion is advised* ----more---- Food and Erotica  Both ways of experiencing the act of inhabiting a body. To experience them fully we must tune into our senses and learn to have a relationship to our sensations. Isabel Allende illustrates this connection of flesh and food in her book Aphrodite. Lust and gluttony hold a deep history of indulgence and reservation as we seek our own path toward enlightenment. The common thread is of course human desire.   Get Handsy The Kamasutra does include instructions for utilizing aphrodisiacs, but it comes with some ground rules. These include using your own common sense and not taking the life of another being. Should we just get in there with our hands? Forks are a relativity new addition to society.    Zhuzh it up!  So much of culinary brilliance is taking something simple and adding a little sparkle. Rose offered some great tips on how to zhuzh up a basic store bought pita and greek style dip for simple whore-d'oeuvres. Check out her Instagram for instructions, and go get some.  Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

Can you even imagine courting someone without involving food? Have you ever made (or answered) a foodie call? Recorded on a less than ideal mental health day after margaritas and snacks. Tune in to hear us follow our curiosity into vulnerable tangents about experiences with men, and the amount of sh** our younger selves put up with. If you laughed or learned something from our show, please share Thyme to Chat with a friend and rate us on your favorite app. It really makes a difference as we make this community. Connect with us on Instagram: @thymetochatpodcast  You can connect with your hosts at @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal.    *This show contains strong language and is not appropriate in all settings. Listener discretion is advised* ----more----   Ohhh it's not me, it's my social conditioning... First, we are not sponsored by this product, but just in case you were lost when we made the rainbow poop comment here is the squatty potty. Looking at media that is readily available to us through algorithms and magazines of our youth, we find roots of unchecked tapes that have played in our heads for years. Insider gave us specific dishes to order,  Cosmo helped us "understand" what it means when men order specific foods, and the Guardian offered advice for being successful on a dinner date. And finally, Forbes offers benevolent sexism (in the form of men paying for dates) as a reason for the gender pay gap.  This is an extensive history of subversive messaging that causes anxiety and social harm across the gender spectrum.    Cyber Fresh Data  We are continuously flabergasted and fascinated by all the ways in which we use data to reach conclusions. Rose had some great tidbits from this study on British dating and food choices. Kamea found a questionable study about what to include on a dating profile to elicit more action as well as odd points about baby saliva.    Food. It makes or breaks.  Think about it. We all have non-negotiable food deal breakers. Maybe you can't deal with a taste or a habit. Perhaps you don't share food, or you are hot for a delicate yolk dance.  Whatever the case may be, we can agree that what we eat is deeply personal and impacted by the relationships in our lives.       Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

Which would you rather give up? Have you ever had a foodgasm? Tune in to the first episode of Thyme to Chat's second season to hear a lively conversation about pleasure, shame, and the human experience.  If you laughed or learned something from our show, please share Thyme to Chat with a friend and rate us on your favorite app. It really makes a difference as we push to make this community. Connect with us on Instagram: @thymetochatpodcast  You can connect with your hosts at @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal.    *This show contains strong language and is not appropriate in all settings. Listener discretion is advised* ----more----   What is the milkshake?  Wikipedia says that according to Kelis the milkshake is a metaphor for "something that makes women special." While unclear about what exactly that is, we can all agree it is a euphemism. For those of us who need a a little help in this department  we can thank the internet for this recipe for brining boys to the yard.    Fuckable...what?  It is wild how even in casual social situations we manage to sexulize food by making it feminine and consumable. In pervious episodes we have talked about how women are depicted as food, but what about when our species just wants to f**k food? Consider this Fox News anchor's  break down about how the green M&M is suddenly less sexy and no longer a turn on for him. As promised here is the Skinny Cow logo mentioned in the episode. And just to give you something else that makes you go hmm...we give you sexy fish sticks. Yep.    Monkeys and Meat  It's a true story dear listener. They really do this!    Why do we sexulize breastfeeding?  The book mentioned here is Inventing Baby Food: Taste, Health, and the Industrialization of the American Diet by Amy Bentley. You can find an excerpt here. To see the Time cover for yourself and learn more about the story behind the image see this article. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

A re-introduction to our show for season two. Welcome to Thyme to Chat a podcast hosted by Rose  and Kamea. We are here to help you digest your relationship to food. Listen now for comedic relief and tantalizing food for thought.  ----more---- Have a kitchen confession? Send us an email Thymetochat V Gmail. Or connect with us on Instagram.  Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

Rose and Kamea chat about the holidays and introduce a new segment that will premier in season two of Thyme to Chat--Kitchen Confessions! An opportunity for listeners (and now viewers) to get their voice on the show and shed some dirty culinary secrets. Listen now to hear Kamea and Rose spill the tea on their own kitchen shenanigans. To submit a confession of your own, email us at thymetochat [at] gmail, or send a voice memo to Thyme to Chat Podcast on Instagram. Season two launches in February 2022.  Follow and subscribe so you don't miss any conversations.  Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

Because Rose and Kamea have been spending a great deal of time together producing this show, they find themselves riding the crimson tide at the same time. This caused a lively conversation about this biological phenomenon, period cravings, and of course misogyny.  Listen as we end season one with a period.   LISTENER SURVEY The first 50 respondents will receive a surprise from the hosts.  Connect with us on Instagram: @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal. You can find more information about your hosts on our podcast website.   *This show contains strong language. Listener discretion is advised* ----more---- On the Rag  Don't you think it is weird that we have so many different ways to say period without saying period? We have a lot of complex emotions around the subject. So many that we now have a blood drop emoji and menstrual equity advocates are thrilled about its potential to aid in conversation. Especially educational ones with youth.   The history of why menstruation is so taboo is complex and ancient. I mean people who menstruate are portals between the living and the dead. It is a superpower, but we are socially conditioned to keep it a secret. It is hard not to be shocked when we see an athlete openly flowing as they run. Menstrual products have come a long way but the truth is millions of people don't have adequate access and miss school or work opportunities because of it.  Finally, if you are interested in the concept of misogyny being the law enforcement branch of the patriarchy, check out this interview with the author of Down Girl.  Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

After a rocky start to recording, Kamea and Rose dive into a conversation about the origin of the catchphrase Go Make me a Sandwich. Why is it assumed this request is misogynistic? Is it our societal expectation that masculinity comes with a get out of politeness free card?  While we are on the subject: what qualifies as a sandwich? Turns out folks have very strong, and surprising, opinions about what is and isn't a sandwich.  Connect with us on Instagram: @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal. You can find more information about your hosts on our podcast website.   *This show contains strong language. Listener discretion is advised* ----more----   Weather Men and Frog Sex Here is the clip of the SNL skit Wikipedia credits with being the originator of the catchphrase featured in this episode. After the episode, we of course googled frog sex...turns out some do in fact f***.   Interruptions and Politeness in the Workplace   This Guardian article offers some insight on Justice Sonia Sotomayor opinions regarding oral argument rules and the recent revamp. For a great listen on the build-up to this revamp, check out this episode of More Perfect. The truth is though, that many of us face being interrupted in the workplace. We mention our own battles with upspeak in this episode and how we have learned to use it to appear less threatening.  Tender Traps and the History of Sandwiches  For a brief overview of the see the history of sandwiches.  Let us not forget though that it was the great invention of sliced bread that gave women the best set of tools for catching boys. What is a Sandwich?  Legally speaking there are a few definitions for what is and is not a sandwich. For tax purposes, New York has a very wide and inclusive definition of sandwiches. Would you agree that a burrito is a sandwich? Let us know by connecting with us on Instagram, or sending us an email.  Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

Have you noticed a seemingly sudden waking of the witches?   Society's narrative of enchanters has been nothing short of damning and outright dangerous. Yet, WitchTok continues to pull in views by the billions, and to some tarot feels as approachable as an artisanal cocktail.   Join your hosts, Rose Tomlin and Kamea Black, for a spooky conversation about #kitchenwitches, the craft, and modern witch hunts. Making your own kitchen magic? Turn up the volume on our kitchen witch companion playlist here on Spotify.   Connect with us on Instagram: @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal. You can find more information about your hosts on our podcast website.   *This show contains strong language. Listener discretion is advised* ----more----   Representation of Witches  Growing up we observed depictions of witches being women outside of the status quo. In fairytales and folklore, they are described as ugly, old, and often living in solitude. Interestingly, our beloved Wizard of Oz had a significant hand in solidifying our imagery for green witches and the classic witch costume. However, the famous MGM version of the story also complicated our imagery when they gave us Glinda the good witch. In her glittering ball gown, she does not call herself a fairy godmother--she is a witch. If you recall, Glinda also asks Dorthy if she had brought her broomstick for easier travel. In the end, Dorthy used her own power to get home but she had to endure a journey before she discovered she held magic within her.    In our modern lives, folks are increasingly calling themselves a witch and diversifying our understanding of what witches look like. On WitchTok we see increasing representation of non-binary people practicing magic and offering mentorship. Currently the Peabody Essex Museum, in Salam Massachusetts, has an exhibit featuring the work of Frances F. Denny. Her project Major Arcana celebrates the diversity of this traditionally taboo identity in her portraits of witches.    Kitchen Witches  It is true, Kitchen Witches were originally charms for the kitchen to ward off unwanted spirits in the heart of the home. For a Halloween-inspired craft, you might consider making your own.    Baby Soup and Broomsticks For more on baby soup, you can read this article that explores some of the historical events behind our wild witch stories.  As for why witches ride broomsticks...well it could have linkages to an old fertility ritual, but there is strong evidence to suggest that it was so they could go on trips. Other stories that surround Halloween do have roots in the old traditions of Samhain. For an overview of some of those traditions, see this post from our friends at Sea Witch Botanicals.    Witchhunts  While we like to think of witchhunts as being a mere relic of the past, it is important to recognize that real people are physically harmed because of accusations of being a witch. For more consider this article in Scientific America or this piece that illustrates witch hunts as a modern global issue.   For those looking for deeper homework, I offer a lecture from Dr. Silvia Federici. In this video, she discusses witch-hunts and their role in the expansion of capitalist accumulation alongside enclosure, enslavement, and land dispossession from women and Indigenous communities.    Finally, please read Lindy West's book The Witches are Coming. If you consume content best through video, you can hear her read excerpts from this book here.    Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations

If a woman’s place is in the kitchen, why are only 6% of women in the restaurant industry running the show? In part two of A Woman’s Place, Rose and Kamea reflect on depictions of female chefs in media culture as well as the additional pressures that hinder women’s ability to rise to the top. When we turn to the professional kitchen, we once again find ourselves surrounded by pervasive messaging that is steeped in predetermined gender roles.  TW: toward the end of the episode we briefly mention sexual assault and workplace harassment. Rose does provide a heads up before diving in to provide you an opportunity to tune out if needed.  Did this conversation stir anything up for you? Send us a message on Instagram: @culinaryherbalisim and @tastysaltyreal. You can find more information about your hosts on our podcast website. *This show contains strong language. Listener discretion is advised* ----more----   Julia Child's Wine and Cheese Party  In this episode of The French Chef, Julia Child offers instructions for a glorious wine and cheese party. If you want to skip her appetizer recipes, and just hear Julia’s wine tasting notes start at 20 minutes. For a quick overview of her career timeline, see this article from the National Women’s History Museum.    Women Outnumber Men in Culinary School Enrollments Data suggests that women do in fact outnumber men in culinary school enrollments. These numbers reflect Rose’s own experience in culinary school. Surrounded by women as a student, only to find herself a rarity as a woman leading a kitchen. Our society continues to subscribe to predetermined gender roles and debate who belongs in the kitchen.      Celebrity Chefs A list of the top 20 wealthiest celebrity chefs can be found here. For those interested here is a thoughtful response to “That Times Article”  that celebrated the gods of food. In this episode, we briefly touch on awards for female chefs, but we didn't have time to dig into the meat of the topic. Some argue that a separation of categories for female chefs is actually an oppressive practice.   History of the Chef's Uniform  Turns out there are several folk stories surrounding the origin of the chef's hat, also known as a toque. For an overview of some different stories see this article by the Culinary Institute of America.        Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thyme-to-chat/donations