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The Frontier Psychiatrists Substack has this companion podcast. Owen Scott Muir, M.D. is a writer, physician, scientist, and podcaster, bringing content about healthcare that is personal, weird, and less boring than most of the things you’ve heard. Subscribe at https://thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/ thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com

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How To Ruin Your Relationships
2025/12/17
One of the things I like about being on the Internet is that I get to meet the actual humans! There are people I've had real relationships with over many years, and some of them I've just never gotten to see in person yet. Making content on the Internet helps connect you to other people making content on the Internet, and if you're good at making friends, sometimes you can make a new friend. One such friend is featured in this podcast, and it's Annalisa Hanson—she is a therapist, who made some great content on TikTok, and then we hopped on the phone because we were such mutual fans, and then she joined me here on the podcast. Another guest on this episode is Dr. Mason Hargrave, we are also Clubhouse, and then he invited me to record a podcast in what was his apartment at the time. It's a classic. Today’s conversation grew out of a phone call with Annalisa and subsequent calls with Brandon In, Mason, Ahmed Tahseen, and my daughter Quinn. We “delve” into AI chatbots as a source of relationship advice. It’s quite the cautionary tale. The music is by Owen Muir, with some tunes a gift from my friend John Vanderslice. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
Brain Stimulation (TMS) as a Treatment for Auditory Hallucinations
2025/11/19
Schizophrenia is a really challenging illness. There's been a lot of progress made recently, I will note. I've already written about novel treatments like Cobenfy, and using accelerated transcranial magnetic stimulation for negative symptoms and positive symptoms in schizophrenia. One of the most bothersome of those “positive symptoms”—things that shouldn't be there, in someone's mind, but are—are auditory hallucinations. If you imagine having invisible AirPods that are playing a terrible podcast that you'd rather not be listening to, and that everyone else can't hear, you get a sense of how distracting it might be to have auditory hallucinations. In my previous article about the treatment of auditory hallucinations with transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS), one of my favorite forms of brain stimulation, I highlighted promising results from early studies. Now we have a much larger Study, phase 3 trial, conducted over many years in Germany. We are even at the level of meta-analysis at this point! It’s a considerable study: 138 adults with treatment-persistent auditory verbal hallucinations and schizophrenia spectrum disorder were randomly assigned (1:1) to receive 15 sessions of active (n=70) or sham cTBS (n=68) administered sequentially as 600 pulses to the left and 600 pulses to the right temporo-parietal cortex over a 3-week period. I called friends of the podcast—Dr. David Garrison, Dr. Will Sauve, and my mom, Vita Muir, to talk through this paper together, and what it might mean for individuals suffering from psychotic disorders. In the meantime, the team at Radial, where we provide such treatment, does some funny, tough-guy faces with our Ampa One system: Thanks for reading! A live-action newsletter event coming up on January 11th in San Francisco: RAMHT 2026 SF. Join us! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
A Breakthrough in Violence Prevention, by Treating Violent Criminals with MBT Therapy
2025/09/18
I wrote an article about this research before, available here. However, I also made a podcast for my audience about the topic! Antisocial Personality Disorder is usually considered untreatable. A new study from the Anna Freud Centre’s MBT program demonstrates a remarkably effective treatment. At Radial, this is the modality of therapy we specialize in providing. It is also effective in borderline personality disorder and in suicidal adolescents. However, with some riffs, it turns out, it also helps ASPD. I even wrote a book on this a while back, published by Springer Nature (Amazon affiliate link). This conversation features my mom, Lila , and David Carreon, M.D.. If you enjoy it, please share it with others! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
How I Wrote 966 Articles and 98 Podcasts in Three Years
2025/08/03
This is the podcast version of yesterday’s article. Yes, I Know It Has A Different Title. Thanks for listening. And if you are looking for care for yourself or a loved one…join us at Radial—where I work—we focus on next-generation treatments. They include Spravato, Nightware, eTNS, PRISM Neurofeedback, soon, eCOT-AS by Neurolief, TMS, Accelerated TMS, and fMRI-guided SAINT TMS. Radial offers the most advanced mental health care, anywhere. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
How Can We Treat Bipolar Disorder in the Global South?
2025/06/22
I was invited, thanks to the magnificent and only-ever-positive internet, to give a lecture to colleagues in Nigeria. I’m kidding, a little—the internet can be rough. Ask a comment section of a YouTube video! However, it is also a technology that has brought the world closer together. One of those less absurd corners of the internet is LinkedIn—it’s like the world’s most boring dad and his boss decided to invite you to a global-scale compliance educational module. “So exciting, it’s mandatory!” I am giving the internet a hard time. Sometimes it’s a special kind of magic. Like, for example, today. Imagine you are a progressive hospital system in Lagos, such as Gracehill Hospital. Yes, that is in Nigeria. It’s a progressive country, compared to the rest of the continent, but some of that progress is recent, as in 2023. A new Mental Health law was recently enacted in Nigeria to replace the Lunacy Ordinance of 1958. The passage of the new law was a major leap from the old. It was received with excitement because the former law was not only outdated but failed to address core issues such as the promotion of mental health and the protection of the rights of the mentally ill. If you're looking to move your healthcare system into the future, you might want to consider finding speakers for your grand rounds. With Zoom, it’s easy to host hundreds of people. On LinkedIn, you can see professionals posting about what they are up to. And, if you're bold, you can simply ask one of those folks to speak. Which is what happened to me, and how I found myself drafting a lecture on Bipolar Disorder for an audience of Nigerian (and global—many people, both professionals, patients, and family members attend these seminars!). Nigeria has an estimated 250 practicing psychiatrists for a population of over 220 million (WHO, 2023), amounting to roughly one psychiatrist per 880,000 people. I probably spoke to 1/4 of them yesterday. There are substantial barriers to mental health care in Nigeria—much if it financial. According to the World Bank, Nigeria’s Gross National Income (GNI) per capita in 2023 was $2,460 USD. Fewer than 10% of Nigerians have health insurance. Those plans cost $250+ a year, but mental health parity doesn’t exist, and thus those services are only covered under yet more expensive plans. To draw a direct comparison, Nigeria has 0.11 psychiatrists /100,000 population. This is similar to Kenya (0.2/100,000) but with 400% more money budgeted to address the care of the population. The US has 13/100,000 and spends about 6.2% of its health budget on mental health care. The question, globally, is how to do more for our patients with less harm and at lower cost. One interventional treatment is considered essential—and its ECT. The WHO's keep an “essential medicines” list! Nigeria has access to ECT. Lithium is also an essential medicine. TMS is not on that list, yet. Maybe, I posit, it should be? What follows in this podcast is the talk I gave. Thanks for reading— and listening. A huge shout out to my gracious hosts at GraceHill, and their Partners, who make this series possible! The Frontier Psychiatrists is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. If you are interested in the Validation Institute’s award for Best Mental Health Treatment in 2024, consider Radial. It’s where I work, and with locations across the US already, we are working to bring the most advanced mental health care to everyone and make it accessible. If you are looking for help, Radial offers the most advanced mental health care. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
Ketamine in the Land of Taylor Swift
2025/06/20
One of my great joys as a psychiatrist is the ability to collaborate with excellent colleagues. Irfan Handoo, M.D., of Kansas City Psychiatric Partners, is one such human. In this interview, we learn about how Dr. Handoo went from psychopharmacologist to interventional psychiatrist, why Kansas City is the best city in the world, and why being South Asian is the ultimate hack to get your patients the best care. It's really easy to think of doctors being completely burned out, and not caring about their patients. Being a physician is a tremendously challenging thing to do with one’s time, and many doctors have their compassion wear thin. This interview with Dr Handoo reminded me how much some of us care, all day, every day. He's an inspiration to me, and I hope, to my listeners also. I am delighted to bring you this interview! Prior articles featuring the work of Dr. Handoo include: Thanks for reading and listening! The Frontier Psychiatrists is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
Suicide Among Resident Physicians
2025/05/29
Every once in a while, science authors will crank out a paper that answers some questions, but asks so many more. I’ve been talking, writing, and podcasting about physician suicide longer than most other topics in my creative life. I did a whole award-winning series as a Rudin Master Scholar in Ethics and Humanities, which no one noticed. Including podcasts like these: and this… and this… Today’s podcast is instead of a written column. Feel free to listen. The paper it’s about is here: Causes of Death Among US Medical Residents It was published on May 14, 2025. Please read it, listen to the podcast, and share with your world. It’s a challenging path, that of physicians, and we should consider making it less miserable, for all our sakes. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
Say His Name: Five Years Since Mr. George Floyd
2025/05/26
Author’s Note: This writing was adapted from a series of conversations around race in America and edited as audio, recorded in 2020, right after George Floyd was lynched.. The podcast of this writing is the real thing, as it were.  What follows is edited text to clarify the narrators, absent the audio.  Please consider following the podcast associated with this newsletter and leaving a 5-star review on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Please subscribe to support high-impact content like this. The author, David Foster Wallace, described the experience of reading his novel Infinite Jest as intended to feel “tornadic,” like you're in the middle of a tornado. That's what the last several weeks have felt like. Protesters: "Racist ass police! No justice, no peace! F**k these racist ass police! No justice, no peace!" "F**k these racist ass police!" Owen Muir, M.D.: I originally tried making this episode a linear narrative, but it wasn't happening. So, welcome to the tornado of racism in America. Buckle up. George Floyd spent 8 minutes and 46 seconds gasping for breath.  Police officers, some of whom were very experienced, knelt on his back...until he didn't breathe anymore. As a psychiatrist, I often emphasize how the words we use to describe someone's death have meaning. So, I'll say, you know, completed suicide, not “commit.” And George Floyd was lynched. Welcome. This is about anxiety, uncertainty, and existential despair. And I recorded the narration in one take because I wasn't, like, going to get it right a second time. So much of what we say about race is calculated, polite, and wrong. So I'm not going to try to do that tonight. Here we go. Sequoiah: "Yeah. My general reaction to all this is a little more, a little more extended. The, uh, f**k". Owen Muir, M.D.: That's my teammate. She is a TMS technician at the mental health practice we worked at together. She also works in the community with patients helping put their lives together, but tonight she's a field reporter on the revolution. Sequoiah: "I am a TMS tech, Winnicott coach, and black woman. Which seems very important right now. George Floyd, Say His Name.  George Floyd, Say his Name. So I just got home from a protest in Flatbush. Police would not let us pass. We were chanting with our hands up. And after a while, they decided to push the line backward. We resisted—we stood there with our hands up. They pushed us and pushed us, and when we wouldn't..." Owen: Now, as someone with a lot of white privilege, I'm outraged at hearing this, like, wow, this is f****d up. So I called another colleague in the special operations community, and I'm not using names in this episode for semi-obvious reasons, and I heard what he had to say. Master Sergeant: “The things that U. S. police forces are apparently fully within their legal rights to do, like, use tear gas, would literally have…been against the Geneva Conventions. It's an actual war crime. We cannot gas a civilian population.” Owen Muir, M.D.: The person I’m interviewing has over a decade of experience in the special operations community. He has fought and killed for our right to do what my other colleagues were in the street doing, peacefully protesting. Master Sergeant: "This is a perversion of what the United States stands for. We invade countries who treat their people the way that our police forces are on camera treating Americans " Sequoiah: "People started to back up, , and run and they then started to hit us with batons. , I fell. And then we reformed the line." Master Sergeant: "It's disgusting in a lot of ways." Owen Muir, M.D.: So when someone whose life has been dedicated to protecting our freedoms tells me they're upset with what they're seeing, I take that pretty seriously. Sequoiah: "Well, the other night, well, last night, when the cops and protestors were getting into, into fights and they were trying to, the cops were trying to push back the protestors, I saw them bring out the batons and, like, start attacking people...and each time they'd tell us to back up and back up and kept pushing us and pushing us. And finally, there was a frustration in the air, and people started to act out." Owen Muir, M.D.: Now, as a psychiatrist, my life has been saved by police officers on more than one occasion. I have been physically attacked in hospital settings.  The police have been called, and I have not died, and my colleagues have not died thanks to them. And this is Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York, and these people are black people. The Flatbush, at least the area I was in, is a predominantly black neighborhood.  So, look, Americans love the police.  They are a highly regarded part of society by many people, but that's not the experience for black America I have learned. Master Sergeant: “There are many things you can do in that spectrum that don't involve actively using force against a human being, which makes the process easier across the board. If I don't have to hurt somebody, the only thing that is hurting another person does for me is further endanger my Troops. " Owen Muir, M.D.: Now this makes sense to me because, having run the show in a psychiatric emergency department, where I have to protect myself, other patients, and violent people themselves from getting hurt, sometimes we use violence, but oftentimes we don't. Master Sergeant: "What started this particular instance has been four cops lynched George Floyd. One guy put his knee on the man. We don't do that to terrorists actively trying to kill us. " "George Floyd, Say His Name." Sequoiah: "It was at that point that they called in more backup and started to attack and arrest groups of gathered people from the neighborhood.” Owen Muir, M.D.: Police officers, when they're called to stand trial for the use of force, have a standard called the reasonable officer standard. I feel like I have to make it relevant for me--a white person—to watch humans being murdered by police and then people killing each other in the streets about it. There was an article I read about six months ago about yet another person being slammed to the ground, handcuffed behind their back, and suffocated to death by the police. I was shocked..that the person was white. Until I read several paragraphs down that he had schizophrenia. Oh, that's what made it okay. Reasonable officers can only be judged based on what someone would do in that moment of terror when they have to decide to use force. Sequoiah: "I was so emotionally spent and so exhausted. And then we saw marauding bands of police officers going down the street, just telling people to go home and attacking groups of people on the street.” "George Floyd, Say His Name.  George Floyd, Say His Name." Owen Muir, M.D.: Police officers are represented by unions. Those unions have spent 20 years bargaining for lack of accountability to protect, in their minds, their members. This means police officers have the right to huddle and discuss their stories before speaking to prosecutors. It means many other things.  But importantly, whenever any officer stands trial, the jury is instructed, per Chief Justice Rehnquist, to not use the benefit of 20/20 hindsight in judging their actions, but only what a reasonable, that is, terrified person, would do at the moment. Master Sergeant: "We have an entire job in the US military to validate whether or not we killed someone the right way." Owen Muir, M.D.: The court system is what's supposed to do that for police officers. But it doesn't; it just says, eh, it's okay. Master Sergeant: "That's an actual thing; we have entire organizational structures dedicated to the legality of murder." Owen Muir, M.D.: Killing black or brown people in America, if you're a police officer, has literally never been ruled against the law. Ever. Master Sergeant: "To not call it murder, to call it, to call it killing combatants, that's what a JAG does. Overseas, when they're deployed, they tell you whether or not you can kill this person. And sometimes, even though we can kill someone, we don't because they have a much higher value as an intelligence asset. Or for any number of other reasons. Or they're not actively shooting at us when we go get them. That happens a ton. Because sometimes, when you see 20 or 30 goons show up outside your house, breach your door with a shotgun round, rush in, and then point all their guns at you, you won't fight back. And then, okay, well, he's not shooting back at us, so we're going to take him in, and then... " Owen Muir, M.D.: You don't get to kill someone. In the U. S. military. Deployed in the field. In Afghanistan. Even if someone's a terrorist, if they're not pointing a gun at you and about to pull the goddamn trigger. “Cause one of the things I don't want to do is vilify police officers. And, and ...” Master Sergeant: "I mean, Owen, to be perfectly honest with you,  You may not want to vilify police officers, but the things I've seen police officers do in the past week while they know they're being recorded are actively the actions of villains." Owen Muir, M.D.: This hit me like a ton of bricks. This is not okay, but when people call for help, and the police arrive, they deal with a crisis. A lot of those crises involve people with mental illness, and police officers are being asked to do a thing that like is a whole medical specialty. Like, I'm a psychiatrist. It was 45 000 hours of training to learn how to calm people down when upset and have experiences we don't have access to. And, if you're called to the scene of a crisis, and someone's acting in a really strange and scary way, and you have a gun. You've been told to protect yourself, don't let yourself get hurt or let this person harm you, and you know nothing bad will happen to you if you pull that trigger. You're going to pull that trigger.  More often than not. And that's about a thousand times a year. You're about... God knows it doesn't even matter. The pe
The Scalable Depression Solution
2025/04/07
Owen Muir, M.D. of The Frontier P This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
Tardive Dyskinesia: Do I Have It?
2025/04/03
Oh my. The irony is thick with this one. Your author, and sometimes scientist, Owen Scott Muir, M.D. has been doing research on Tardive Dyskinesia. And…he might have the disorder. The search function lets you search for other articles on the topic. If you are interested in treatments for psychiatric disorders that don't cause this adverse effect—a permanent movement disorder—they exist. The care we provide in New York, California, and now, South Carolina works, diligently, to advance the science of safer treatment. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
Can Inflammation Status Predict Response to Depression Treatment?
2025/03/18
The frontier Psychiatrists breaks down a publication on the topic of immune modulation of TMS response in depression. And Dr. Owen Muir explains what inflammation is for mental health conditions in the process. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
The Plague Of Athens Podcast
2025/03/01
I’ve been obsessed with the Peloponnesian War as a historical event for 20 years now. I wrote an article about it recently, and also recorded a song about it many years back. Enjoy the listen! If you like the music, there is more of it on Spotify… The Frontier Psychiatrists is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
How Did Rapid Remission from Depression Become the New Standard of Care?
2025/02/20
This podcast was edited on a plane ride to Japan, and the intro was recorded in a bathroom while my kids slept off the jet lag. It’s still good. I recently went down with Ben Greenzweig, the Executive Director of the non-profit Living Water Brain Treatment Center in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. We are—right now—providing TMS treatment and, soon to be more, in a local community in Ben’s beloved home of Horry County. There are 400,000 residents and less than 30 psychiatric inpatient beds in the county. There are not enough services to meet the needs he saw in his community—so he started Living Water to help. I’ll remind readers that not only did he write an article about it, but he is also running a non-profit. Thus, consider donating. The audio from today’s podcast was recorded mainly on my phone, which I had in my pocket as I gave the talk. Please share it with friends. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
The Mystery of Machine Gun Kelly
2024/12/15
My readers and listeners know that this project, The Frontier Psychiatrists, is daily. Sometimes, I don't get the thing done till the end of the day. Today is one of those days. I was running on empty when it came to narrative this morning, so I decided to try to make a podcast. One of the tricky things about these more experimental days is that I don't know if the story is going to work. It's like walking a tightrope. I'll choose something— anything— to write about. And today I decide to make it even more difficult for myself, because I didn't feel like typing anything, and so I made a podcast instead. Today's was going to be about Machine Gun Kelly and being old. That's all I knew. The podcast you're about to listen to explains what happened, and the lessons I took away from the journey of trying to figure out who the heck Machine Gun Kelly is. The podcast features some of my favorite people, including Michelle Bernabe, RN , Courtny Hopen, RN, and my mom, Vita Muir. Surprisingly, it ends up featuring Drew Barrymore, and I'll let you listen to figure out how that happened. Thanks for joining me on this publication's experimental journey. I really hope you listen to the episode. It took all day to land, and I think it's good enough. Yes, the podcast was created—top to bottom— today. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/subscribe
Why Ketamine Clinics Keep Closing
2024/12/09
Today, The Frontier Psychatrists welcomes back my friend Ben Spielberg. He's been a reader for a long time and has contributed to the newsletter in the past. It was on Clinical Trial design, a perennial favorite around these parts. With only light edits, what follows is his work, narrated by me, for the Audio Version. I would invite you to the live class today on working as an out-of-network provider, but it sold out last night, so you'll have to wait for the next one. My prior article on Spravato is available here. The year is 2024. OpenAI has just launched its latest update to ChatGPT, promising more natural and less artificial-sounding language. Donald Trump has won the nomination for President of the United States. Another chain of ketamine clinics has engaged in a corporate reorganization. There is conflict in the Middle East. Are we sure that we're not living Groundhog's Day? I am the founder of Bespoke Treatment, an integrative mental health facility with multiple locations that has at times been referred to as a "ketamine clinic." I have also seen countless so-called "ketamine clinics" sell for pennies on the dollar and go bankrupt seemingly overnight. In this case, Numinus, a company that was publicly traded in Canada and owned a number of psychiatric clinics specializing in ketamine in the US and Canada, has sold its clinics to Stella (a company that has stealthily become one of the larger mental health providers in the country and is the first to bring the awesome SGB treatment to scale). It's not the first time this has happened. It's not the second, nor the third, nor even the fourth time this has happened. But yet, the common consensus is that ketamine clinics are a cheap, easy business with recurring revenue. So, what gives? Figure 1. A reddit user asking anesthesiologists if they should start a ketamine or Botox clinic for easy cash on the side. Does this make you feel gross? Should it? The Ketamine Clinic Model 101 The most basic outline for a ketamine clinic is as follows: a provider rents an office space with, on average, five or so exam rooms. They buy equipment for infusions like a pump, catheter, needles, and syringes. They buy some comfortable recliner chairs. They hire a receptionist to answer phones, field patient questions, charge credit cards, and handle medical record requests. They hire a nurse to insert the IV, monitor vital signs, check blood pressure, juggle multiple patients at once, and make sure the ketamine is flowing into patients’ veins unencumbered. Two SKUs are typically offered: ketamine infusions for mood, which last approximately 40 minutes, and ketamine infusions for pain, which last for up to 4 hours. Zofran is offered for nausea, and some clinics have fun add-ons like magnesium or NAD. An average mood infusion costs around $400-$500 in a medium cost-of-living area, while mood-infusions can run up to $700 in a higher cost-of-living area. Some clinics offer package discounts if patients buy six or more upfront, which helps with cash flow for the clinic (cash now is better than cash later, of course). A Note on Scope of Practice The first wave of ketamine clinics was started mainly by providers who were not mental health specialists. Instead, they were owned by anesthesiologists, ER physicians, and sometimes CRNAs. These providers were especially experienced with ketamine in hospital settings, as well as setting up infusions. Psychiatrists, on the other hand, do not usually order infusions in outpatient settings, and very few had actual hands-on experience with ketamine in practice. That being said, there are a number of variations to the model above: psychiatrist-owned ketamine clinics would often prefer to use intramuscular injections in lieu of infusions, but 2-3 injections would have to be given during a single session for mood and pain sessions were out of the question. Other ways to save costs might include having an EMT do the actual injections (this is highly state-dependent), asking nurses or MAs to work the front desk, or working a full-time regular doctor job. In contrast, your nurses run the actual ketamine services via standing orders, a written document that details routine and emergent instructions for the clinic. Some clinics offer full evaluations prior to rendering treatment, but many offer a simple brief screening on the phone to check for contraindications before scheduling a patient for their first session. The clinics owned by psychiatrists have historically been a bit more thorough in terms of the initial psychiatric evaluations, given that they can actually perform initial psychiatric evaluations within their respective scope of practice. Sometimes clinics may have therapists on-site who can render ketamine assisted therapy (meaning, therapy occurring concurrently) for an additional $100-$300. Otherwise, there is not much decision-making that goes on— other than deciding on medication dosages. Most infusions start off at .5mg/kg of body weight, which is by far the most evidence-based dosage. In practice, most clinics increase dosage every session because even though ketamine is considered to be a weight-based medicine for anesthesia, there is thought to be a “sweet spot” of dosage for everyone, if one can imagine an inverted U shape curved, where the ideal dosage for each patient is at the tippity-top of the inversion. Dosage increases are highly variable depending on the clinic: some have a maximum dosage, some will only increase a certain percentage, and some may even use standardized increments (e.g., only offering dosages in increments of 50mg). A typical series of infusions is 6-8 over 3-4 weeks, followed by boosters as needed. Fool’s Gold At first glance, the business model seems fantastic. As a cash business, there are no AR issues, no third party billing companies to deal with, and no prior authorizations to fight over. Sure, the cost is high, but it’s not that high compared to many other healthcare services. Since the benefits fade over time, a ketamine clinic has built-in recurring revenue from patients every week, month, quarter, or year – it’s like a subscription business! Ketamine is trendy and sexy; TV shows like White Lotus mention it, and ravers from the 90’s recall it with great fondness. Unlike SSRIs and psychotherapy, ketamine works for depression fast. It’s amongst the fastest treatments for depression that we have today, and there are a lot of depressed people. It can help someone out of debilitating depression in 40 minutes. It has none of the un-sexy side effects of SSRIs like sexual dysfunction, gastrointestinal discomfort, or uncontrollable sweating. Instead, it has sexy side effects: euphoria, hallucinations, and feelings of unity with the universe. Also, unlike SSRIs, it helps most people who try it. It really is an amazing treatment, and I often feel grateful that my clinic is able to offer it to patients in need Figure 2. Most business-savvy reddit user. Supply and Demand… or Something Mood disorders disproportionately affect individuals who are of lower socioeconomic status compared to individuals with a lot of disposable income. Of course, wealthier individuals are no more immune to mental health disorders than anyone else, but the main target market that benefits most from ketamine just do not have the means to afford it. They don’t have $3,000 to burn on yet another treatment that may or may not work. Often, the patients who could really use a series of ketamine infusions cannot scrounge enough money for a single infusion, let alone a whole series and prn boosters. However, there should be enough depressed people with cash to throw around out there… right? Wait, Isn’t That A Horse Tranquilizer? Of course, ketamine clinics can find more patients via marketing and advertising. However, I’ve found that many medical doctors who see this population, like primary care providers, are not up to date with the research. When I first launched my company, I used to go door-to-door to medical buildings in Santa Monica with cookies to speak with them about advancements in interventional psychiatry. I cannot count the number of times that I was laughed out of each office; referring providers are risk-averse, and the perception of ketamine has traditionally been poor. Medical doctors would exclaim, “Of course people feel better; you’re getting them high,” and lament that I was administering a drug thought to be highly addictive. Psychotherapists, who would also be fantastic referral partners, generally refer to psychiatry, but it’s less common for them to refer to specific treatments. Nowadays, psychotherapists who are particularly invested in ketamine can sign up with venture-backed companies like Journey Clinical and render their own ketamine-assisted psychotherapy with some prescriber supervision. The issue is that despite the media attention, people with depression don’t read innovative health newsletters, nor do they review papers in scientific journals. They rely on information from their psychiatrists, medication management providers, and psychotherapists. If they are not told that this is an option for them, they won’t hear about it without ad spend. Oh yeah, and there is a major issue with ad spend: the word ketamine itself is a restricted drug term, and legitimate clinics routinely get banned from Google and Meta for mentioning it, which makes digital advertising more difficult than it would be for any other legitimate service. The Matthew Perry Effect Ketamine is very desirable for some patients (unfortunately, sometimes the patients who want it most are frankly the worst candidates for it), but I’d wager that the majority of patients who need it are kind of scared of it. They want to feel good, they want relief from depression and trauma, but it’s a weird thing to do a drug that is a horse tranquilizer and also an anesthetic in a reclining chair in a medical off

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