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In this episode of Product Rising, host Shannon Peavey talks with Diane Sadowski-Joseph, co-founder and Head of Product at Clarinet.io, about what it takes to lead people through profound workplace changes created by artificial intelligence. Drawing on more than 20 years of experience in organizational transformation, Diane explains why successful AI adoption requires more than new tools. Organizations must address human behavior, systems and processes, and the broader organizational ecosystem, including incentives, expectations, governance, and accountability. The conversation examines the emotional reality beneath AI transformation: fear of missing out, fear of jumping in, fear of job impact, ego pain, fatigue, and uncertainty about whether hard-earned expertise will retain its value. Diane offers a practical definition of psychological safety and explains why leaders build trust by being honest about what is known, what remains uncertain, how decisions are made, and where employees genuinely have influence. Diane and Shannon also explore the limits of bottom-up AI experimentation, the need for leaders to become capable AI decision-makers, realistic timelines for organizational change, and why time saved is not automatically a return on investment. For product leaders carrying the dual burden of building AI into products while also changing how their teams work, Diane shares concrete ways to learn out loud, automate work chores, use customer transcripts as organizational intelligence, and create progress without expecting people to operate like machines. If you are trying to move an organization forward while acknowledging the human costs and uncertainties of AI-driven change, this episode offers a candid, grounded, and hopeful guide. Chapters 00:00  Introduction 01:32  An approach to durable organizational change 02:58  Why AI change feels faster & more pervasive than past transformations 05:20  The speed-psychology link and the fears shaping AI adoption 07:02  Why relentlessly positive AI messaging can alienate employees 08:32  The truths leaders avoid 09:45  What psychological safety means 12:09  Building trust through transparency 14:20  Supporting leaders through change 16:03  Handling emotional reactions 18:09  Ego pain and the threat to professional identity 23:24  A more honest response to 'AI will not take your job' 24:57  Why bottom-up experimentation is not an AI strategy 27:39  How to improve difficult decisions 32:31  Common AI transformation scenarios 35:55  Being AI-native takes time 37:56  Measuring ROI 43:06  A practical starting point 44:51  Learning out loud 46:15  The dual AI challenge facing product leaders 47:44  How to automate internal work before burnout 48:48  Transcripts, work chores, and AI-enabled product learning 50:57  Final takeaway 52:02  Closing remarks Resources Where to find Diane Sadowski-Joseph https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianesadowski/ Clarinet https://clarinet.io/ People and Organizations Mentioned Claude Code | Anthropic Anthropic's coding tool Anthropic Academy Official Anthropic learning resources for building fluency with Claude OpenAI Academy Free official courses and learning resources for developing practical AI skills.https://academy.openai.com/ Invisible Technologies The AI operations company mentioned in connection with Clarinet product leader Salim Mahdi. Where to find our hosts: Shannon Peavey https://www.linkedin.com/in/spmad/ 🙋🏻‍♀️ Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

Some people seem to move forward quickly, like taking on larger roles, driving meaningful change, and increasing their impact, while others with similar experience and capability stall. The gap widens, especially in highly ambiguous and uncertain times with no playbooks to fall back on. As AI accelerates execution and organizational structures become less defined, the way product leaders create impact is changing. Roles are more ambiguous, influence is less tied to title, and expectations continue to expand without clear boundaries In this new series hosted by Jo Saunders, a long time member of the Women In Product community and founder of AscendFaster, the discussion focuses on how to increase your impact. Jo's guest, Molly Graham, is a writer, speaker and the host of the TED podcast WorkLife. She writes the popular substack, Lessons. And has had a long successful career in tech.  Molly is definitely someone who has had real impact in many roles and has written and spoken about what it takes to succeed in those high pressure and sometimes ambiguous environments. 📚Resources: WorkLife with Molly Graham - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/worklife-with-molly-graham/id1346314086 Glue Club - https://glueclub.com/ 🌟 Where to find Molly Graham Website: - https://mollygraham.com/ On LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mograham/ On Substack -  https://mollyg.substack.com/?utm_campaign=profile_chips 🌟 Where to find Jo Sanders On LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannsanders/ 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

Elizabeth Ames flips the script and interviews Carmen Palmer about this year’s Women In Product Conference. Titled Changemakers: Leadership Edition. The conference is designed to bring together executive level women to share, collaborate and learn from one another as we address the rapid changes all around the tech industry.   Carmen Palmer is the CEO of Women In Product. Prior to joining Women In Product she was the CPO at MarketCast. She has held senior product roles at NBCUniversal, Yahoo! and DemandMedia. Carmen holds a Bachelor’s degree from the University of California, Berkeley. In this episode Elizabeth and Carmen discuss this year’s Women In Product Conference at the Computer History Museum in October. Carmen shares details on the speakers, the format, the theme and most importantly the goal.  They also discuss some of the key overall programs of Women In Product and how to be a part of this vital community.  00:00 Welcome and Setup 00:57 Theme Change Makers 03:05 What Attendees Gain 06:31 Interactive Format Overview 06:54 Keynotes and Tracks 09:48 Beyond AI Topics 15:25 Networking as a Superpower 21:07 Who Should Attend 24:33 Programs for All Levels 28:11 Career Advice Embrace Uncertainty 32:33 Life Outside Work Authentic Self 35:12 Final Invitation and Wrap In The Lead is a monthly series on Product Rising sharing conversations with a wide range of industry leaders hosted by Carmen Palmer, CEO of Women In Product.  Where to find more information on the 2026 Women In Product Conference including an incredible line up of speakers. ✨Where to find Elizabeth: On LinkedIn 💫 Where to find Carmen: On LinkedIn  🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

The job market today is tough. AI is making it more difficult for companies to find qualified candidates, and for qualified candidates to standout. Two tech industry veterans dug in to find out what is going on and wrote an eye opening article in the Harvard Business Review about what is going on and how to improve the system for everyone.  Shraddha Sunil and Mudit Saraf spoke with Elizabeth Ames about their recent article and recommendations for improving the system for all participants. 00:00 Welcome and HBR Article 02:07 Why Study Recruiting AI 03:11 Research and Interviews 05:39 AI Flooding Applications 08:22 Recruiters Lose Resume Trust 10:23 Broken Signals and School Filters 12:41 Interview Cheating and Proxy Hires 17:26 Entry Level vs Senior Roles 19:37 Company Costs and ATS Changes 22:44 AI Interviewing Tools Explained 25:59 Rubrics Privacy and Bias 31:54 Surfacing Hidden Talent 33:28 Structured AI Interviews 36:07 Fixes for Hiring Leaders 40:18 Risks of Closed Hiring 43:18 Advice for Job Seekers 46:32 Build Projects and Specialize 48:21 Wrap Up and Thanks 📚Resources: HBR article “AI Has Broken Hiring. Here’s How To Fix It”  🌟 Where to find Shraddha Sunil & Mudit Saraf: On LinkedIn Shraddha Sunil https://www.linkedin.com/in/shraddhasunil/ On LinkedIn Mudit Saraf https://www.linkedin.com/in/mudit-saraf/ Where to find our hosts: Shannon Peavey https://www.linkedin.com/in/spmad/ Elizabeth Ames https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethames/ 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

The job market today is tough. So why would you step away from a secure job with a big tech company to start a company from scratch? Turns out there are plenty of reasons.  Kasha Stewart took that leap of faith this year and she hasn’t looked back. She’s building, learning and bringing all of her knowledge and skills to bear as she leads a Ed Tech startup with her two co-founders. It’s easy to get focused on staying in a safe job, or stepping into the grind of looking for a new one. Turns out there are other options. Here’s one of them.  00:00 Welcome Back Kasha 01:11 Why She Left Adobe 03:42 Pride And Plateau 07:02 Choosing Entrepreneurship 08:57 Founder Story Spark 12:05 The Problem To Solve 16:13 Creative Roots To Product 19:07 Startup Honeymoon Reality 23:23 Founder Resources Communities 27:09 Talking To VCs Early 29:10 Advisors Equity Basics 30:20 Validate Market And TAM 31:36 Clarity And Focus 33:10 Systematic Execution Habits 33:38 Pilots Metrics And Ambiguity 34:27 Profitability Reality Check 35:17 Rejection And Storytelling 38:48 Pitching Lessons In Real Time 41:17 AI Speed For Founders 44:50 Human Creativity With AI 47:10 Jobs Skills In The AI Era 51:42 Preparing To Make The Leap 54:21 Mindset Market And Small Tests 01:00:08 Final Advice And Wrap Up 📚Resources: FoundHer & FundHer - https://foundherandfundher.com Tech Kickstarters  🌟 Where to find Kasha: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/kashastewart/ Where to find our hosts: Shannon Peavey https://www.linkedin.com/in/spmad/ Elizabeth Ames https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethames/ 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

There’s been a lot of conversation lately about how AI is shaping the job market, especially for those just starting out. For recent grads, it can feel unclear where the opportunities are or even where to begin. To help make sense of it, Catherine Fisher, VP of Communications and Career Expert, joins Elizabeth Ames to talk about LinkedIn’s Grad’s Guide. The guide is based on data from LinkedIn as well as information gleaned from conversations with new grads across different roles and industries, as well as those who've taken less traditional routes. The guide arms entry-level professionals with the data and insights on the fastest-growing jobs, industries and locations for entry-level job opportunities. In a challenging job market, the Grad’s Guide helps anyone entering their first full-time role with insights on the entry-level job market, showcasing where opportunity is growing and how to approach their job search more strategically. 00:00 Welcome and LinkedIn Research 03:02 Why the Grads Guide Exists 05:21 A Tougher Job Market Now 07:39 Rethinking Entry Level Paths 10:42 Storytelling Your Experience 14:21 AI and Adaptability Advantage 15:53 Report Highlights Industries Jobs Cities 18:15 Creative Skill Building Alternatives 22:10 Networking That Actually Works 26:22 Ask Specific Favors 27:14 Fifteen Minute Outreach 28:26 Industry Events Strategy 29:37 Networking Into Jobs 31:05 Strategic Job Applying 33:14 LinkedIn Jobs Match 34:12 Getting Interview Feedback 38:02 Practice And Nerves 40:18 New Grad Playbook 42:28 LinkedIn Gym Mindset 44:42 Final Thanks And Links 📚Resources: LinkedIn’s Grad’s Guide 2026 How Graduates Can Find the Best Job Opportunities in 2026 Never Search Alone 🌟 Where to find Catherine: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinefisherlinkedin/ Where to find our hosts: Shannon Peaveyhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/spmad/ Elizabeth Ames https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethames/ 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

Rita Khan is a board member and advisor for a variety of organizations including a global consulting firm, a marketing agency, an internationally recognized Art Center. She was recently the Chief Consumer Officer at Optum, a UnitedHeath Group company that provides technology services, pharmacy-care services and various direct healthcare services.  Rita has also served as Chief Digital Officer for the Mayo Clinic and has worked extensively as an executive in consumer retail, healthcare and digital services.   In this episode Rita shares her journey leading digital transformation in retail and healthcare. She shares her insights on managing teams through transitions and how AI is impacting healthcare. Rita also shares how she is transitioning to a portfolio career - what that looks like and how she has prepared and through about it. In The Lead is a monthly series on Product Rising sharing thought provoking conversations with a wide range of industry leaders hosted by Carmen Palmer, CEO of Women In Product.  00:00 Welcome and Intro 01:31 Retail Roots to Product 04:26 Early Product Pioneers 06:44 Jump to Healthcare 09:06 Mayo Digital Officer Role 12:22 Culture and Change Agent 15:53 Measuring Outcomes in Health 18:15 Shipping Fast in Regulated 21:29 AI in Healthcare Today 24:32 Agentic Future for Patients 26:13 Trust and Transparency 26:52 Leading Through AI Change 29:35 Building a Portfolio Career 32:49 Designing the Flywheel 35:41 Whole Self and Networks 39:11 Burnout and Boundaries 41:54 Empathy in High Pressure 44:25 Women Shaping AI Future 46:48 Courage and Finding Voice 48:56 Sponsors and Mentors 50:08 Healthcare Automation Vision 51:21 Final Charge to Lean In ✨Where to find Rita: On LinkedIn 💫 Where to find Carmen: On LinkedIn  🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

In this episode of Product Rising's AI Safety, Ethics & Responsibility series, host Shannon Peavey sits down with Kelly Anderson, founder and CEO of DyeConverter, an AI-powered platform helping food and beverage companies replace synthetic dyes with natural alternatives. Kelly's path to entrepreneurship is anything but typical. A chef-technologist and the first chef in the world certified by MIT in AI and Machine Learning, she has spent more than a decade leading innovation, R&D, and product development initiatives for brands including Nestlé, Disney, Impossible Foods, Panera Bread, Starbucks, and US Foods. As regulators, consumers, and food manufacturers grapple with the future of food ingredients, Kelly saw an opportunity to apply AI to one of the industry's most complex challenges: reformulating products that rely on synthetic colors. If you've ever wondered how artificial intelligence can move beyond content generation and help solve real-world scientific and operational challenges, this episode is for you. 00:00 Introduction to Kelly Anderson and DyeConverter 02:08 What is a "chef-technologist"? 03:01 How culinary training shaped Kelly's approach to AI and innovation 04:08 From executive chef to food innovation leader 05:28 Discovering a broken food system and finding an AI opportunity 08:10 Why replacing synthetic food dyes is harder than it sounds 10:11 Health, regulatory, and manufacturing risks of natural color alternatives 12:41 How DyeConverter works 14:20 The role of the human in the loop 17:55 Flavor transfer, consumer expectations, and reformulation challenges 19:12 Which food dyes are being phased out? 20:40 AI-powered color matching and the Color Studio 22:42 Data sharing, trade secrets, and AI collaboration in food 25:01 Why the food industry needs food people building food technology 26:28 Beyond food dyes: the future of ingredient reformulation 28:05 Ultra-processed foods, consumer demand, and healthier products 30:22 Why business incentives matter more than good intentions 31:34 Food regulations around the world and lessons from Europe 34:07 What every industry should know about AI adoption 35:40 Consumer rights, transparency, and AI disclosure 36:21 How food companies are using AI today 38:14 AI, sustainability, agriculture, and the future of farming 39:32 Supply chain transparency and food traceability 40:38 Predictions for food, health, and AI over the next decade 42:18 Will healthier food become more affordable? 43:38 Resources for following innovation in food and CPG 44:18 Kelly's favorite cuisine and why she loves classic French cooking 45:15 Closing remarks 📚 Resources Where to find Kelly Anderson: Kelly Anderson on LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyai/ Where to find DyeConverter DyeConverterhttps://dyeconverter.com/ Learn More US Foods https://www.usfoods.com/ Nestle https://www.nestle.com/ U.S. Regulatory Requirements https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/hhs-fda-phase-out-petroleum-based-synthetic-dyes-nations-food-supply U.S. FSMA  Food Traceability Requirement https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safety-modernization-act-fsma/fsma-final-rule-requirements-additional-traceability-records-certain-foods Grow to Market Substack https://substack.com/@growtomarket Julia Child’s Coq au Vin recipe https://www.theendlessmeal.com/julia-childs-coq-au-vin/ Where to find our hosts: Shannon Peavey https://www.linkedin.com/in/spmad/ 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

What separates people who achieve remarkable results with AI from those who struggle to get reliable, accurate, or useful outcomes from the exact same tools? In this episode of Product Rising, host Shannon Peavey sits down with Stanford researcher and BigSpin AI founder Moritz Sudhof to explore one of the most overlooked challenges in AI adoption: the human factor. Drawing on research conducted with Stanford professor and Bigspin co-founder Chris Potts, Moritz shares surprising findings from the analysis of tens of thousands of real-world AI conversations. Their work reveals that the difference between successful and unsuccessful AI use often has less to do with the model itself and more to do with how people interact with it. Why do expert users encounter more AI failures than novices, yet achieve dramatically better outcomes? Why do so many users unknowingly accept flawed outputs? And what skills, behaviors, and product design choices can help close the growing divide between AI power users and everyone else? This conversation explores the emerging field of AI fluency, the risks of treating AI like an oracle or a vending machine, and why the future of successful AI products depends on designing not just the model, but the interaction between humans and machines. Moritz is part of our exclusive Product Rising series on AI Ethics, Safety & Responsibility, where host Shannon Peavey speaks with researchers, builders, policymakers, and practitioners working to shape a future where AI delivers meaningful value while preserving human judgment, agency, and trust. Whether you're a product leader, founder, builder, manager, or everyday AI user, this episode offers practical insights into how to get better outcomes from AI and why your own behavior may be one of the most important variables in the equation. CHAPTERS 00:00 Why Some People Get Better Results from AI 01:22 Moritz's Journey: From Language Research to AI Products 03:42 AI Is Not a Human Replacement 06:49 The Coaching Experiment That Changed Everything 09:14 Same AI, Different Outcomes 10:43 Designing User Behavior, Not Just AI Behavior 12:13 The Research Behind AI Fluency 15:14 The User Fluency Paradox 17:01 Why Expert Users See More Failures 19:18 Invisible Failures and Silent Mistakes 21:12 The Skills Every AI User Needs 21:55 Embrace the Skeptic Mindset 23:22 The Biggest Misconceptions About AI 25:42 The Vending Machine Problem 26:16 The Growing Divide Between AI Users 28:08 Introducing Bigspin 30:47 Bringing Product Builders Back Into the Room 32:33 Why AI Adoption Isn't a Tool Rollout 34:45 Passengers vs. Pilots 36:24 Improving Your AI Outcomes Today 37:49 What Product Builders Should Demand 40:16 Advice for Product Leaders Building AI Products 42:00 We're Designing Interactions Now 43:15 Final Thoughts and Where to Learn More 📚 Resources Bigspin AI https://bigspin.ai/ Stanford University https://www.stanford.edu/ BetterUp https://www.betterup.com/ Where to find Moritz Sudhof: Moritz Sudhof on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/sudhof/ Where to find Chris Potts - Chris Potts on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-potts-505611321/ -Chris Potts at Stanford https://web.stanford.edu/~cgpotts/ Where to find the paper Chris and Moritz authored called “A Paradox on AI Fluency” - https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.25905  Where to find our hosts: Shannon Peavey https://www.linkedin.com/in/spmad/ Elizabeth Ames https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethames/ 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

How do we introduce AI into high-stakes human environments without losing trust, safety, judgment, or effectiveness? This episode features a conversation with Lacey Picazo, CEO and founder of ZoCo Design, a research and design consultancy focused on helping organizations build human-centered digital products and AI experiences. Lacey, a professional product designer by trade, is a serial entrepreneur with strong opinions on the ways customer behavior interplays with AI and can change depending on the application or the environment.  With host Shannon Peavey, Lacey discusses a case study where her firm worked with mTuitive, a leader in digital pathology and cancer care, in order to illuminate the way behavioral science, workflow design, and human-centered product thinking can shape whether AI succeeds or fails in clinical environments. Rather than treating AI adoption as a purely technical challenge, this episode explores how clinicians and patients respond emotionally, cognitively, and behaviorally when AI enters decision-making processes, and why “more automation” is not always better. This is a thoughtful discussion about innovation, responsibility, understanding the rewards - as well as the risks - of a future that is reckoning with finding the right formulas for human-machine collaboration. Importantly, it also addresses the ways we can support the next generation in an AI-shaped world. Lacey is part of our exclusive new Product Rising podcast series, where host Shannon Peavey explores the world of AI Ethics, Safety & Responsibility . 00:00 Intro to the topic: AI enters healthcare 01:33 Why healthcare is different from other industries 04:05 Consumer product thinking doesn't always work 05:54 The stakeholder problem: patients, providers, payers, and more 07:02 Trust is kind of a big deal 08:29 Today it's easy to build, but still not easy to get adoption 09:55 Tempted to skip testing? Don't. 12:16 Why human behavior matters more than product features 14:23 Understanding clinicians as users 18:09 Where AI creates hesitation and bad friction 20:09 Professional identity: "Am I the kind of person who uses this?" 21:14 The mTuitive cancer care case study 24:21 Challenging assumptions before building 26:18 How clinician research actually works 28:31 What clinicians really want from AI 30:44 Will resistance to AI fade over time? 32:31 Finding the balance between efficiency and safety 34:23 Why some friction is actually good 36:40 Are companies overestimating automation? 38:35 The skill every AI product leader still needs 40:05 How to build customer intimacy in the AI era 42:56 Ambient listening and the unintended consequences of AI 44:22 The food bank story: how fear shapes behavior 45:58 Slow down: AI's hidden human costs 46:55 Closing thoughts  📚Resources: ZoCo Designhttps://zocodesign.com/ ZoCo Design’s mTuitive Case Study https://zocodesign.com/case-studies/mtuitive-case-study mTuitive https://www.mtuitive.com/ Melissa Perri https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissajeanperri/ Teresa Torres https://www.linkedin.com/in/teresatorres/ Women in Product’s Podcast Episode with Teresa Torres https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/continuous-discovery-with-teresa-torres/id1584224561?i=1000672408840 Shreyas Dosi’s Maven course https://maven.com/shreyas-doshi/product-sense?promoCode=MAVEN100&promoCode=MAVEN100 Where to find Lacey: Lacey Picazo, ZoCo Design https://www.linkedin.com/in/laceypicazo/ Where to find our hosts: Shannon Peavey https://www.linkedin.com/in/spmad/ 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/ Product Rising on Apple Podcastshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/product-rising/id1584224561 Product Rising on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7bcyVhpdhw0hbiRr6O4h1U Product Rising on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLijcNLDj_QE2ge6Wqeh0MLx_qMKwot--9

Marty Cagan joins Carmen Palmer for this episode in our monthly series, In The Lead.  Marty is a renowned product executive and author, and is widely considered a thought leader in the field of Product Management. He is the founder of the Silicon Valley Product Group (SVPG), where he advises companies on how to create successful products using the practices of world-class tech organizations.  Marty is the author of influential books on the topic of product management and product teams including  Inspired: How to Create Tech Products Customers Love  Empowered: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Products. Transformed: Moving to the Product Operating Model  Recently Marty and the team at Silicon Valley Product Group (SVPG) have been exploring the use of AI LLMs as product coaches. As always Marty has strong views on the adoption of AI technology enabling true product builders, the increasing importance of true empowered product managers, and how AI Models can assist in the transition by coaching PMs and Product Leaders.. In The Lead is a monthly series on Product Rising sharing thought provoking conversations with a wide range of industry leaders hosted by Carmen Palmer, CEO of Women In Product.  Your AI Product Coach 00:00 Reckoning for Product 03:11 GenAI Changes the Stakes 07:11 Feature vs Empowered Teams 09:57 Build to Learn vs Earn 12:18 Prototyping Tools Boom 13:37 New PM Litmus Test 16:05 Why Coaching Fails 20:57 AI Coaching Tipping Point 23:58 Prompting for Product Model 27:30 Load Strategic Context 28:19 Strategic Context Inputs 29:23 Project Model Prompts 30:52 AI Coaching Limits 34:58 Why Humans Still Matter 38:42 What Coaching Looks Like 39:25 Building Product Sense Fast 42:01 Frameworks For Real Work 45:23 Adoption Curve Reality 49:13 Career Advice And Wrap 📚Resources: SVPG Product Coaching and AI Configuring Your Model As Product Coach - an example of how to get started using an AI Model to provide product coaching ✨Where to find Marty: On LinkedIn Silicon Valley Product Group (SVPG) Website & Newsletter sign up  💫 Where to find Carmen: On LinkedIn  🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

There is a lot of debate about the state of the job market today. We definitely hear a lot about layoffs in the big tech companies and also about AI eliminating positions. But AI may be having a bigger impact in the requirements for specific roles and even perhaps new types of roles. We will be having periodic conversations with leading recruiters, hiring managers, and others about the evolving job market and what it takes to get hired/noticed.  Our first conversation is with Sally Thornton, CEO & Founder of Forshay, a firm that combines Executive recruiting with interim experts across Finance, HR, and Operations, and by aligning culture and leadership development skills to optimize team performance. 02:17 Forshay Firm Overview 03:27 Job Market Reality Check 06:09 Entry Level Pipeline Crunch 07:44 Where Hiring Is Growing 08:33 What Employers Want Now 09:56 Proving Curiosity in Interviews 11:34 Influence as a Core Skill 12:38 AI Transparency and Flatter Teams 14:47 Fractional Leadership Explained 19:36 How Orgs Are Reshaping for AI 22:43 The Rise of the AI Scout 24:55 Building an AI Experiment Team 25:43 Choosing Tools That Fit 27:16 AI in Hiring and Resume Filters 29:19 Beating the Rejection Machine 31:36 Community as Career Support 32:14 AI as Reflective Hiring Partner 34:37 Gut Instinct Versus Data 37:40 Future Proofing Through Community 39:56 Give More and Experiment Often 41:16 Tools That Reduce Overwork 43:42 Wrap Up and Where to Follow 📚Resources: To Sell is Human, Daniel Pink 🌟 Where to find Sally: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallythornton/ Forshay: https://forshay.com 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

We are reckoning with truths that are a bit uncomfortable. AI is not just a tool, but something people are relating to - personally. For kids and teens, we’re finding that that can be extremely dangerous. In this episode, Shannon Peavey speaks with Tracy Pizzo Frey, a veteran technology leader including 11 years at Google where she oversaw Responsible AI for Google Cloud. As a consultant, she worked with Common Sense Media to develop a system for assessing the risks of large language models and AGI, with a particular focus on kids and teens. Tracy brings deep technical experience and knowledge of how technology shapes behavior. Drawing on lessons from social media and emerging research, she explores what feels different about AI. For young people who are still developing social and emotional skills, these interactions may have unique implications. AI systems are responsive and engaging, but they do not challenge users or help them navigate real-world complexity in the same way humans do. Over time, that difference may influence how teens build coping skills, relationships, and a sense of self. Through her work with Common Sense Media, Tracy has evaluated leading AI systems and reached some important conclusions. Today’s models are not designed to serve as mental health companions for kids or teens, even though many young people are already engaging with them in ways that resemble emotional support. Tracy shares how these assessments were created, what they measure, and what they reveal about the current state of AI safety. She offers a grounded perspective on building & using these technologies responsibly, especially when younger users are already deeply involved.. 00:20 AI’s effect on kids 02:07 Why harms are specific to kids & teens 04:50 AI is not a search engine 07:27 Kids & teachers are often earliest adopters 08:06 Tech companies know more than they let on 09:15 Common Sense Media’s risk assessment project 09:57 Let’s not repeat mistakes 11:24 Tracy's involvement 13:11 Set your charter 14:50 Bring diverse, multi-disciplinary teams 16:25 Why psychological safety is important 17:38 Distilling masses of information into risk assessments 18:48 Why hype matters 20:30 How the team looked at social media 23:20 Early assessment of potential harms 25:10 Character.ai as precursor to interaction with LLMs 26:00 ‘Everything in the whole wide world’ 27:13 Why kids are different 32:18 The danger of so-called frictionless relationships 33:02 The best way to test 36:50 Some surprising findings 39:08 How tech can reshape a worldview 41:02 There are good people, but - business models 43:30 Know the tradeoffs 45:07 The fact-to-fiction scale 46:30 Some positivity 48:00 Books, lawsuits, and resources 📚Resources: Common Sense Media (CSM) AI Overview https://www.commonsense.org/ai CSM’s Parents’ Guide https://www.commonsensemedia.org/articles/parents-ultimate-guide-to-generative-ai CSM’s Parents’ guide to AI Companions & Relationships https://www.commonsensemedia.org/articles/parents-ultimate-guide-to-ai-companions-and-relationships Google’s AI Principles https://ai.google/principles/ Social Media’s Harmful Effects on Children https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/social-media-teen-mental-health-a-parents-guide AI & Everything in the Whole Wide World benchmark study https://sites.rutgers.edu/critical-ai/wp-content/uploads/sites/586/2022/01/Bender_AI-and-Everything-in-the-Whole-Wide-World-Benchmark.pdf Shannon Vallor’s research https://edwebprofiles.ed.ac.uk/profile/shannon-vallor Empire of AI by Karen Hao https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/743569/empire-of-ai-by-karen-hao/ Where to find Tracy: Tracy Pizzo Frey, Restorative AI https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracy-frey/ Where to find our host: Shannon Peavey https://www.linkedin.com/in/spmad/ 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

Gyanda joins Carmen Palmer for this episode in our monthly series, In The Lead.  Gyanda Sachdeva is VP of Product Management at LinkedIn where she currently leads the Consumer Experience team. She has over 15 years of product experience across a wide variety of domains including advertising, subscriptions, marketplaces and payments.  In this episode Gyanda shares her insights into managing product teams through the transition to AI and the changing role of PM. She also shares her personal career journey and the challenges of growing from an APM through individual contributor, group manager, director and now VP. In The Lead is a monthly series on Product Rising sharing thought provoking conversations with a wide range of industry leaders hosted by Carmen Palmer, CEO of Women In Product.  Leading the Transition to AI in Product 00:00 Meet Gyanda at LinkedIn 02:34 Career Journey to Product 05:01 Long Tenure Lessons 08:11 Unlearning as a Leader 11:02 AI Shift Moment 14:35 Experimentation Over Roadmaps 19:36 Full Stack Building Culture 22:50 Trust Guardrails and Agents 24:44 Associate Product Builder Program 25:48 Early Adopters Drive ROI 26:20 Mentorship and Product University 28:26 Leaders Get Everyone In 30:42 Scaling AI Enablement 34:13 Keeping Up With Velocity 37:27 Diversity Access and Role Models 40:25 Three Day AI Jumpstart 43:30 Product Launch Gone Wrong 46:26 Daily Tools and Language Barriers 48:12 Embrace the Skill Shift 📚Resources: Statistics on job skills change by 2030: https://economicgraph.linkedin.com/research/work-change-report A guide for new grads on job trends: https://news.linkedin.com/2026/Grads-Guide-2026  ✨Where to find Gyanda: On LinkedIn 💫 Where to find Carmen: On LinkedIn  🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/

In this episode, host Shannon Peavey speaks with Professor Rebecca Hinds, PhD, a Stanford-trained organizational behavior expert and author of Your Best Meeting Ever. Rebecca, who runs the Glean Work AI Institute, explains why the future of AI at work is not about squeezing more productivity out of individuals, but about strengthening organizations as a whole. She shares her system for applying design principles to create effective meetings and illuminates the ways these can help leaders decide when technology enhances collaboration and when it risks undermining human trust, creativity, and emotion. She also highlights a growing body of research on how AI can expand access to insight and make work more effective – though today, she says, many organizations are getting it wrong. Instead of imposing AI from the top down, she argues that companies should empower employees to experiment, and that they should tolerate and even celebrate failure. Importantly, she says, organizations need to establish thoughtful guardrails that allow people to discover how these tools can truly help teams become more effective. 01:56 First things first, the bad news on AI and meeting culture 03:12 The good news on AI and meeting culture 05:29 Why leaders need to think about meetings holistically 07:10 Seven design principles to appy to meeting design 10:16 The “Four-D, CEO” test for meetings 13:41 Where AI can excel 18:02 Thinking differently about human roles 19:18 Why we should worry about “digital twins” 20:45 Keeping human emotions in mind 23:05 What can happen if you deprioritize people 23:30 Psychological safety at work, and with AI at work 26:09 The critical need to have AI policies 28:30 Enabling employees to find the value in AI 30:54 Tolerating, even celebrating failure 33:48 Collaboration with AI: an individual experience 36:36 The future is managing agents 37:38 Hope for a future of unparalleled insights 40:26 Using AI to help the organization, rather than the individual 42:48 Sharing resources and research 📚Resources: Rebecca Hinds https://www.rebeccahinds.com/ Stanford University http://www.stanford.edu The Glean Work AI Institute https://www.workai.institute Rebecca’s book, “Your Best Meeting Ever” https://www.rebeccahinds.com/book Organizational psychologist Bob Sutton https://bobsutton.net/about-bob/ Harvard Business School professor Amy Edmonson https://amycedmondson.com/about/ Wharton School of Business Professor Ethan Mollick https://x.com/emollick?lang=en Charter newsletterhttps://www.charterworks.com/ 🌟 Where to find Rebecca: On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-hinds/ 🙋🏻‍♀️Where to find Women in Product: On LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-in-product/posts/  Website https://womenpm.org/ Join the Community https://womenpm.org/wip-community/