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Jayne Sugg joins Josh Harris to talk about her album Belief Is Hard and what it means to make honest art when faith is uncertain and belief feels fragile. Jayne grew up with a clear sense of who she was supposed to be and what her musical future would look like. She would make Christian music. She would become a worship leader. The path felt obvious, until doubt entered the picture and quietly changed everything. In this conversation, Jayne and Josh talk about creating art in the midst of uncertainty, about writing songs that tell the truth when belief isn’t neat or resolved, and about her album Belief Is Hard, which traces her own evolving relationship with faith. They listen to parts of the album together and reflect on the role creativity can play when answers feel incomplete. This episode is for anyone who’s wondered whether there’s room for honesty, beauty, and expression when faith feels wobbly, and for anyone learning that belief isn’t something you solve so much as something you live with. Connect with Jayne: Website: jaynesugg.com Instagram: @seejayne Tiktok: @jaynesugg

Josh Harris sits down with author Brian Recker to talk honestly about hell, deconstruction, and what remains when fear-based religion falls apart. Together, they explore the grief of losing religious community, the courage it takes to rethink deeply held beliefs, and why so many people feel spiritually homeless after walking away from traditional evangelical structures. Brian and Josh unpack how the doctrine of hell has shaped Christian mission, identity, and urgency, often at the expense of love, justice, and inclusion. They revisit Jesus’ teachings on Gehenna, the “narrow gate,” and the cross, placing them back in their historical context and asking what they actually reveal about God, power, and resistance. About Brian Recker Brian Recker is a former Marine officer, the son of a Baptist preacher, and a graduate of Bob Jones University. He spent eight years as an evangelical pastor before undergoing a profound deconstruction of his faith and moving toward a more inclusive, love-centered spirituality. Today, Brian speaks openly about following Jesus without fear of hell through his writing and social platforms, including his Substack, Beloved. His book, Hell Bent, challenges one of Christianity’s most deeply embedded doctrines and argues that fear has distorted the heart of the gospel. Released on September 30, Hell Bent quickly became a USA Today best-seller. Brian lives in Raleigh, North Carolina, and is a father of four. Connect with Brian Substack – Beloved: https://brianrecker.substack.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/berecker/?hl=enTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@berecker87His book "Hell Bent": ⁠https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/771172/hell-bent-by-brian-recker/

What if the goal isn’t to break a strong-willed child but to nurture that untamed will into something beautiful? That’s the question parenting coach Amy Hughes keeps asking—and it has taken her far beyond the “strong-willed child” playbook popularized by Dr. James Dobson. In this conversation Amy and Josh explore a gentler, truly Christian vision of authority, discipline, and discipleship—one that treats kids as whole people made in God’s image. How “conscious parenting” reframes discipline as connection first, correction second Why words like “good” or “bad” can warp a child’s sense of God and themselves The hidden damage of fear-based obedience inside church culture Practical ways to coach (not crush) a strong-willed kid Repairing relationships with older children through humble apologies Trusting God’s sovereignty over your child’s spiritual journey instead of micromanaging it Amy is a certified conscious-parenting coach who helps moms and dads move from control and coercion to curiosity and connection. Drawing on her faith and years of mentoring families, she equips parents to raise confident, compassionate kids and to enjoy the process along the way. Connect with Amy: Instagram: @simplelittleamy Website & coaching resources

Content note: This episode includes frank discussion of sex, pornography, and religious control. Author Ben Crawford spent decades inside a tight church network where life, money, and meaning were all centralized. When he started sharing his life on YouTube and telling the truth in 12-step rooms, the system pushed back. He lost community, business ties, and friends. He also found something bigger: a voice, a marriage that’s alive, and a way of connecting that doesn’t hide behind ideas. This is a conversation about escaping control, learning vulnerability, and why honesty beats “accountability” every time. Topics we cover Preaching vs sharing: why ideas felt safe and intimacy didn’tThe men’s “accountability” script and why it blocks connectionWhat 12-step groups modeled: clear truth, no fixing, real safetyThe “cult continuum” and how control shows up in everyday church lifeGrading communities by behavior, not labelsChoosing where to be authentic and where to hold boundariesBen’s love story with Cami and the surprising payoff of telling the truthWhy listen If you’ve felt the gap between what your community promised and what it delivered, or if you’ve tried to change people with ideas and missed the chance to actually bond, this episode gives language and practices for a different way forward. About Ben Ben Crawford is the author of the bestselling 2000 Miles Together: The Story of the Largest Family to Hike the Appalachian Trail and has been featured on Good Morning America and NPR’s This American Life. Formerly entrenched in fundamentalist religion and once at the helm of one of the world’s largest blackjack teams (profiled in the documentary Holy Rollers: The True Story of Card Counting Christians), Ben brings a singular perspective to faith, risk, and reinvention. Retired in his 30s, he’s a prolific YouTuber with 1,000+ uploads, and he now finds joy in poker and marathon running—with his six kids often along for the mile markers. Links Ben’s book: The Courage to Share (affiliate link) Ben’s YouTube family channel: https://www.youtube.com/@FightforTogether

Community. It’s a word we throw around a lot, but what does it really mean? And what does it look like specially if you’re no longer part of a church or faith-based group? In this episode, I talk with Sarah Wildeman, a leadership and relationship dynamics coach, community builder, and founder of Our Common. Sarah has spent years living in intentional communities, leading women’s circles, and guiding people through the art of authentic connection. Drawing from her background in forest ecology, permaculture, and a love for all things rooted in nature, she helps people grow relationships with the same care you’d give a thriving garden—intentionally, patiently, and with deep respect for what each season brings. We explore: The difference between having friends and actually being part of a community.Why so many people are craving deeper connections right now.How shared values, rituals, and commitments create belonging.What we can learn from nature about building relationships that last.The grief and longing that can come when we lose a sense of community. Sarah’s insights are practical, hopeful, and refreshingly honest about the effort it takes to create and sustain meaningful connection. Whether you’ve left a faith community or are simply hungry for more intentional relationships, this conversation offers both inspiration and tangible ideas for reimagining what community can look like. Connect with Sarah: Website: our-common.com Course: Our Common LifeInstagram: @our__common

What does it take to unlearn the shame of purity culture and begin to feel safe in your own body again? In this episode, Josh Harris talks with writer, content creator, and podcast host Jubilee Dawn, a woman passionate about helping others heal out loud. Through her platforms Healed-ish and The Overshare Hour, Jubilee shares survivor stories ranging from domestic violence to religious trauma, with honesty, vulnerability, and humor. This conversation centers around a deeply personal post Jubilee shared about how her relationship with her husband helped her heal from purity culture. In the interview we walk through it line by line, reflecting on what healing can look like when we’re met with tenderness instead of judgment. In the original post Jubilee writes: He comforted me when I had a panic attack the first time we were intimate As I cried, I kept saying “I am a whore” He repeated over and over: “You are not a whore” We talked about our past relationships without shame He told me it was okay to disappoint others by going on a trip before marriage He told me God was not mad at me He helped me explore my sexuality He told me my ex was wrong about me (And we went back and got the burger that gave me freedom) He said these things over and over until… I believed him. This is a tender, courageous conversation about shame, love, and what’s possible when we begin to write a new story. Connect with Jubilee Dawn: - @Jubileedawns on Tiktok, Instagram, & Youtube - The Healed-ish Podcast on Spotify

In this episode, I talk with psychologist and author Hillary McBride about her powerful book Holy Hurt. We explore what spiritual trauma really is, how it shows up in our bodies and beliefs, and what healing can look like. We also talk openly about my own past as a pastor—how I once taught things that caused harm—and why I believe it’s so important to have these honest, healing conversations now. Topics We Cover What makes something “spiritual trauma”Why it’s so hard to name trauma that’s systemic, not just event-basedThe cost of being told you're broken at the coreHow our bodies remember what our minds try to forgetThe difference between real healing and spiritual bypassingWhat leaders and former leaders can do when they realize they’ve hurt othersHope for anyone starting to rebuild after religious pain About Hillary McBride Dr. Hillary McBride is a therapist, researcher, and author who specializes in trauma, spirituality, and the mind-body connection. Her book Holy Hurt helps readers name and heal from the spiritual wounds many carry but struggle to describe. Website Instagram Special Event Josh and Hillary are doing a live event on June 26, 2025 in Abbotsford, BC, called Healing After Spiritual Trauma. Get tickets to this unique conversation and gathering. All proceeds will be donated to Fresh Bread, a charity dedicated to breaking down barriers in access to qualified caring therapists. About Clear & Loud Clear & Loud is hosted by Josh Harris—a writer, former pastor, and brand strategist. Through honest conversations and creative coaching, Josh helps people find clarity in the messiness of change. Learn more at clearandloud.com.

Freeman Voyles is a young Catholic writer, podcaster, and creator of Kneutrality, a platform where she blends traditional Catholic beliefs with fresh, sometimes provocative, cultural commentary. With her signature blend of sex appeal, sacred conviction, and aesthetic honesty, Freeman is reimagining what modesty, sensuality, and spirituality can look like, especially for Gen Z. Conversation highlights: - Why she named her platform Kneutrality and what it actually means - Her journey out of MAGA and why she dumped Trump - How she uses Instagram to challenge both purity culture and performative modesty - The tension between sensuality and lust, and why she believes there’s a sacred space for one and not the other - Her vision for a world of “more sensuality, less sex” About Freeman Voyles:Freeman is a Catholic writer, podcaster, and creator of Kneutrality — a space for faith, culture, and sexuality rooted in honesty, beauty, and bold devotion. Through content, liturgical journals, and her podcast, she’s helping young adults live boldly for God and think critically about the messages they’ve inherited. Connect with Freeman: Kneutrality websiteInstagram @kneutralityLiturgical Planner About Clear & Loud Clear & Loud is the coaching and creative consultancy of Josh Harris. Through one-on-one coaching and brand strategy work, Josh helps individuals and organizations find clarity in the messiness: clarity of message, purpose, and direction. Whether you’re navigating a major life shift or building a brand that reflects your evolving story, Clear & Loud offers practical tools, thoughtful guidance, and engaging storytelling. Learn more at www.clearandloud.com.

In this episode, Britt Hartley shares her journey from a deeply religious upbringing to becoming an atheist spiritual director, exploring what it means to find purpose, meaning, and inner peace outside of traditional faith. With a background in theology, Britt brings a unique perspective on how to navigate life’s biggest questions without relying on religious frameworks. Together, we dive into her approach to secular spirituality, where she guides others through deconstructing old beliefs and building lives rooted in authenticity and personal values. Join us as we unpack her transformative insights on rethinking spirituality, free from dogma. Topics Covered: Britt’s journey from religion to secular spirituality and how it shaped her approach to spiritual directionUnderstanding the three main paths for interpreting life—Religion, Occult, and Science—and exploring the strengths and pitfalls of eachThe impact of cognitive biases on our beliefs and why we’re often so certain of our personal “truths”Practical steps for crafting a life of meaning and purpose beyond religious structuresTools and rituals for navigating existential crises, building identity, and cultivating a grounded, secular sense of spirituality About Britt Hartley:Britt Hartley is an atheist spiritual director with a master’s degree in theology and a focus on the future of American religion. She is the author of No Nonsense Spirituality, a bestselling Amazon book that brings a clear, grounded approach to finding meaning and purpose beyond religious belief. Britt’s work centers on secular spirituality and tools for navigating existential crises. Connect with Britt Website: nononsensespirituality.comTikTokInstagram About Clear & LoudClear & Loud is the coaching and creative consultancy of Josh Harris. Through one-on-one coaching and brand strategy work, Josh helps individuals and organizations find clarity in the messiness—clarity of message, purpose, and direction. Whether you’re navigating a major life shift or building a brand that reflects your evolving story, Clear & Loud offers practical tools, thoughtful guidance, and impactful storytelling. Learn more at www.clearandloud.com.

In this episode of Clear & Loud, we dive into the extraordinary story behind the documentary "Mom & Dad's Nipple Factory" with Emmy-winning filmmaker Justinsuperstar. This isn't just a tale about an unusual family business – it's a powerful love story that spans four decades and touches on faith, identity, and the impact of breast cancer on families and communities. Interview Highlights: The genesis of the nipple factory: How Brian's devotion to his wife Randi led to an unexpected innovation Growing up in a conservative Christian household and Justin's journey of faith The challenges and revelations of filming deeply personal family moments How the nipple business transformed family dynamics and sparked important conversations about body image and sexuality About Justinsuperstar: Justinsuperstar is an Emmy-winning filmmaker with over two decades of experience creating popular web content. His work has been featured on major television networks and viewed hundreds of millions of times online. With "Mom & Dad's Nipple Factory," Justin beautifully captures his parents' love story while exploring the broader impact of breast cancer on family, community, and society at large. Watch the Film: Visit www.nipplefactoryfilm.com for links to Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Fandango at Home, Google Play, and more. Don't forget to leave a review and share this powerful documentary with others!

In this episode, we dive into the world of reinvention with Lisa McGuire, a reinvention strategist. Lisa shares her journey from corporate life to helping people align their purpose with their paycheck. If you've ever felt stuck in a job that doesn't resonate with who you are, or you're curious about how to align your work with your true self, this conversation is for you. Tune in to explore the challenges of shifting from corporate to entrepreneurship, and learn how to build a fulfilling career that reflects your unique gifts and talents. Interview Highlights: Lisa’s journey from the corporate world to becoming a reinvention strategist The concept of aligning your purpose with your paycheck Challenges of shifting from corporate life to entrepreneurship How to discover and align your true self with your work Bio: Lisa McGuire is a fractional CMO and reinvention strategist who helps individuals and businesses discover their true selves and align their purpose with their paycheck. With a background in corporate and education, Lisa now focuses on helping others build fulfilling careers that reflect their unique gifts and talents. She is passionate about identity, human design, and navigating the challenges of transitioning from corporate to entrepreneurship. Connect with her at: Website LinkedIN Instagram

Have you ever wondered what makes a TED Talk so captivating? Today, we're diving into the art of crafting unforgettable speeches with Devin D. Marks, also known as "The TED Talk Whisperer." Devin has coached hundreds of speakers, including Harvard's Dr. Robert Waldinger, helping their ideas go viral and reach millions. In this episode, Devin shares his secrets to creating a TED Talk that resonates, the importance of storytelling, and how to stay authentic while delivering powerful messages. Whether you're an entrepreneur, a thought leader, or simply someone with a compelling idea, this conversation will equip you with the tools to connect and compel your audience like never before.  Interview Highlights: Discover the key differences between a typical TEDx Talk and a viral breakaway talk. Learn about the "TED tool shed" and the three key tools for a successful TED Talk. Explore the importance of storytelling and how to connect with your audience on an emotional level. Understand common mistakes speakers make and how to avoid them for a more impactful presentation. Guest Bio: Devin D. Marks is the nation’s leading TED-style speaking coach. Known as "The TED Talk Whisperer" by media outlets and clients, Devin has trained hundreds of speakers for TED, TEDx, and TED-style messages—including Harvard’s Dr. Robert Waldinger for his breakout talk, "What Makes a Good Life?" which has garnered over 47 million views. As the founder of CONNECT to COMPEL, a story training and speaker coaching firm, Devin helps clients create spread-worthy ideas that captivate audiences worldwide. He regularly encourages clients to "Let the world LIVE your message!" Connect with Devin at ConnectToCompel.com and on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/thetedtalkwhisperer

Discover the secrets behind creating a hit podcast and balancing entrepreneurial success with personal well-being. Join me as I chat with Jacob Bozarth, a podcasting pioneer who has transformed the industry and helped countless creators find their voice. Jacob has spent over a decade in the industry, helping create and produce some of the most successful podcasts out there, including the hit show Culpable. We dive deep into his journey, exploring how he balances the demands of entrepreneurship with personal well-being and the lessons he's learned along the way. Whether you're a seasoned podcaster, an aspiring entrepreneur, or someone interested in storytelling and authentic leadership, this episode has something for you. Jacob shares valuable insights on how to start and sustain a successful podcast, the importance of staying true to yourself, and how to avoid burnout in a demanding industry.  Interview Highlights: Discover the driving force behind the rise of podcasting and why it's become such a powerful medium. Learn about Jacob's journey from an audio engineer to a podcasting entrepreneur and the key milestones along the way. Hear practical tips on balancing work and personal life to prevent burnout and maintain well-being. Gain insights into the future of podcasting and why now is the perfect time to start your own show. Abouto Jacob Bozarth: Jacob Bozarth has been a full-time podcast professional for over 10 years, serving as the executive producer of two #1 podcasts and launching two companies in the podcasting space. He graduated from Middle Tennessee State University with a degree in recording and production and stumbled into entrepreneurship by using his production skills to help people with their podcasts as a side project. In 2014, Jacob founded Resonate Recordings, a podcast production agency that has worked with over 3,500 podcasters, including 16 number-one shows on Apple Podcasts. In 2019, he launched Culpable, a podcast that achieved over 45 million downloads and hit #1 in Apple Podcasts. In 2022, he started Resound, an AI audio tool for podcasters, which automates tedious parts of production for over 13,000 creators. Most recently, he launched Podcast Primer, an online course designed to help aspiring podcasters beat their inner critic and start a podcast without burnout. Jacob is also a devoted father of three and has been married to his wife, Whitney, for over 14 years. His main goal in life is to work less and spend more time on what matters most, especially his relationships with his family. Learn More About Jacob’s Work:  Resound.fm Resonaterecordings.com podcastprimer.com 

Have you ever felt like there's a constant tug-of-war happening inside your mind? A clash of different personalities, desires, and fears? Well, that's exactly what Internal Family Systems (IFS) aims to explore and understand. In this illuminating episode, we dive deep into the world of IFS with our special guest, April Sunshine Hawkins. Prepare to have your perspectives shifted as we uncover the intricate "family" of parts that make up our psyche. April, a passionate advocate for personal growth and self-discovery, takes us on a journey through IFS. From its core principles to practical applications, she shares her insights and experiences, helping us understand how this approach can untangle the complexities within. Whether you're a seasoned seeker or simply curious about the untapped corners of your mind, this conversation is sure to be a revelation. Join us as we explore the fascinating world of Internal Family Systems and gain a deeper understanding of ourselves in the process. About April: April Sunshine Hawkins is a multifaceted individual with a passion for connecting people and fostering personal growth. From teaching young minds to guiding adults through dance, marketing, and pickleball, her infectious energy and curiosity have touched many lives. Currently, April is undergoing training to become an IFS practitioner, driven by a desire to share this transformative approach with others. With her warm presence and deep understanding of the human experience, she's the perfect guide to introduce us to the world of Internal Family Systems. Work with April:  To find out how you can work with April visit her website where she helps clients curate a unique therapeutic journey.  Website: https://mmm.page/therapytravelagent.main Instagram: instagram.com/april_sunshine_

In today's landscape, creatives find themselves navigating entrepreneurial waters to thrive, while entrepreneurs increasingly rely on creativity to expand their reach and impact. Heather Parady holds on to both (though she shares in this interview which way she leans). By day, she's a master of implementation, a Fractional COO who intricately designs systems and operations to propel businesses forward. By night, she transforms into a creative force, whose insightful video content on leadership, creativity, and spirituality captivates audiences across social media. This episode dives into the heart of a pressing question: Are you a creative or an entrepreneur?  Join us as Heather Parady unravels this intersection. Discover how she merges her operational expertise with her passion for creativity, and how this unique blend fuels her success. We'll explore the essence of being a fractional COO, the thrill of content creation and what it looks like to find a sense of mission post-religion. Learn More: Website: www.heatherparady.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/heatherparady/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@heatherparady? Twitter: https://twitter.com/heatherparady LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heatherparady/ About Clear & Loud We’re a boutique creative team that specializes in launching websites, products, and big ideas. We craft words that reach people and systems that sustain growth. Schedule a free strategy call to talk about your project: https://clearandloud.com/