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Episode 48 Advocating for Billing Features Connecting two FinOps community call threads on getting SaaS vendors to improve billing data, featuring Mike Rosenberg of Nubank’s two-year push that led a major vendor to ship a requested billing capability in private preview. Helped by persistent, fact-based advocacy, networking with engineers, and renewal leverage. The episode also highlights a FinOpsX 2025 talk by Laurent Kiss and Priyanka Pandey (Delivery Hero) outlining four moves to drive vendor adoption of FOCUS format. 00:00 Welcome Back FinOps Pod 00:27 Mike’s Vendor Win Story 01:47 How He Worked the Process 03:11 Leverage and Business Case 05:04 Two Community Calls Connect 06:12 Delivery Hero Four Moves 07:31 Ask Precisely Not Just Small 08:21 Focus Versions Reality Check 09:29 Scale the Ask as Community 10:32 Before You Ask Check Support 10:51 Wrap Up and Call to Action Join the Tech Value CommunityGet Started with FOCUS Data SetsHow to Work with Your SaaS Providers and Internal Stakeholders for Broad FOCUS™ AdoptionMike Rosenberg

Episode 47 Benjamin van der Maas: Using AI to Scale FinOps Benjamin van der Maas discusses how his team is using AI to scale their FinOps efforts. Topics covered include the necessary groundwork for effective AI implementation, the importance of domain expertise, and how AI can streamline reporting and analysis. The conversation also touches on AI's role in sustainability and the potential challenges of relying on large language models (LLMs).  Automating Anomaly Investigation with AI - YouTubeFinOps Certified: FinOps for AIBenjamin van der Maas | LinkedIn

Episode 46 Brad Payne: Integrating FinOps and Business Strategy Brad Payne, who leads the FinOps team at PointClickCare, shares how his team tackled cloud cost challenges not by jumping straight into optimization — but by focusing first on allocation and unit economics. That shift helped them uncover how cloud costs connected to specific products, customers, and revenue — sparking deeper collaboration with finance, pricing and packaging, and product teams. This resulted in FinOps moving beyond infrastructure to influence real business decisions. FinOps Certified: FinOps for AIBrad Payne | LinkedIn

Episode 45 Kim Wier & Ron Tatro - Revisiting FinOps as Product, 3 Years Later Kim Wier & Ron Tatro return to share how their FinOps products have evolved over the last 3 years at Target. They share success and challenges they have had with forecasting both public and private clouds, the impact the introduction of AI has had, and how they provide cost, stability and tech debt information to over 5,000 developers. And they make it all sound approachable! FinOps as a Product - Kim Wier & Ron Tatro - YouTubeRon Tatro | LinkedInKim Wier | LinkedIn

Episode 44 Larry Advey - Leveraging FOCUS for Stakeholder Management Larry Advey discusses the significance of standardizing FinOps nomenclature through the FOCUS (FinOps Cost and Usage Specification) project to streamline communication across multi-provider environments. Larry shares his insights on the impact of FOCUS in reducing confusion among stakeholders by creating a unified language for billing data. The episode also highlights Larry’s experiences from recent FinOps events, upcoming plans for FinOpsX, and the importance of engaging with the community for continuous improvement. 00:00 Welcome to FinOpsPod 01:25 January Recap and FinOpsX Planning 06:28 Focus Project and Stakeholder Management 09:36 The Role of a Focus Maintainer 16:23 The Vision for Focus 20:11 Exploring FOCUS Nomenclature 21:09 Utilizing the FOCUS Sandbox 21:32 Diving into Use Cases 22:49 Navigating the Focus Website 29:12 Engaging with the FinOps Community 34:24 Conclusion and Final Thoughts FinOps X 2025 - The Home of FinOpsFOCUS SandboxFOCUS™ - FinOps Open Cost & Usage SpecificationLarry Advey | LinkedIn

Episode 43 FinOpsPod Year End 2024 In this episode, hosts, Joe & Stacy, with special guest Sam Benson, highlight significant events like the successful FinOps X and FinOps X Europe conferences, community growth, and the evolution of FinOps practices. The episode wraps up with reflections on the past year's achievements and aspirations for 2025, encouraging practitioners to stay engaged and keep learning. 00:00 Welcome to FinOpsPod! 00:28 Meet the Hosts and Special Guest 01:11 Year-End Reflections 02:45 Sam's Role and Contributions 05:49 Community Events and Highlights 08:44 FinOps X and Memorable Moments 10:18 The 'No Runners' Theme 11:56 Adapting and Evolving in FinOps 14:08 Is Rob a Master Gardener? 15:58 Highlights from FinOpsX Europe 18:05 FinOps Scopes and Expanding Roles 20:05 Focus and Community Engagement 22:47 Emerging Topics and AI 25:38 Looking Forward to 2025 30:49 Closing Remarks and Holiday Wishes FinOps X 2025 - The Home of FinOpsThe Scope of FinOps Extends Beyond Public Cloud

Episode 42 James Barney - The AI Episode James Barney discusses the complexities and nuances of applying FinOps principles to AI usage in the cloud, explores various models of AI consumption, such as SaaS and self-hosted solutions, and delves into the challenges of accurately tracking and managing AI costs. Insights are shared from James Barney's recently contributed paper on AI cost management, emphasizing the importance of understanding AI's impact on cloud expenditures and business value. The conversation also touches on the necessity of open dialogue within organizations and the potential for AI to enhance non-customer-facing processes. Practical advice is given on how to approach AI cost management conversations and the value of learning by doing. Note - views expressed by James are his alone and not those of his employer. 03:59 Understanding AI Cost Structures 05:38 FinOps Strategies for AI Workloads 12:10 Balancing Innovation and Cost Control 18:08 Tracking and Reporting AI Costs 19:34 Understanding AI Workloads 21:39 Guardrails for AI Usage 22:45 The Role of Context in AI 25:16 Politeness in AI Interactions 28:03 Exploring AI Tokens 31:35 Challenges in AI Cost Management 35:41 Community Involvement in AI James Barney | LinkedInCost Estimation of AI WorkloadsHow to Forecast AI Services Costs in CloudHow to Build a Generative AI Cost and Usage Tracker

Episode 41 Anderson Oliveira - Facing Career Challenges Anderson Oliveira shares his experience of losing his job as a FinOps Manager, how he stayed positive, and took his time to find his next opportunity. Lessons in this episode on community engagement and keeping the FinOps Principles in the forefront. FinOps Jobs - All the cloud financial management jobs in one placeAnderson Oliveira | LinkedInFinOps X Europe - Barcelona, Nov 11-14

Episode 40 Anthony Johnson & Brent Eubanks - Measuring for Success with Key Momentum Indicators TJ & Brent Eubanks join Rob Martin to discuss their experience and lessons learned with how to use Key Performance Indicators. While KPIs are good for a moment in time, they learned the importance of making sure to measure progress - or momentum - towards organization success. Brent Eubanks ☁️ | LinkedInAnthony "TJ" Johnson | LinkedInFinOps KPIs

Episode 39 FinOpsPod Live - Day 2 of FinOps X 2024 - Community Lovefest! If you aren't interested in feeling FinOps Community love, then this isn't the episode for you. Recorded at the end of Day 2, Stacy Joe and audience members go over their impressions from the conference. Highlights include discussion of the USS Midway party and keynotes, a wedding proposal, community appreciation, and a secret about Joe's career background that prepared him for FinOps. FinOps X Europe - Barcelona, Nov 11-14FinOps X ‘24 Day 2 KEYNOTE: American Express, FinOps Releases by Google Cloud, Microsoft, and AWS

Episode 38 FinOpsPod Live - Day 1 of FinOps X 2024 Catch the vibes of FinOps X! Joe & Stacy review the experiences from Day 1 of the conference. Voices include: Tim O'Brien, Rob Martin, John from a Small Consultancy, Dann Berg, Karin Milkins, Anjali Oleksy and many more from the FinOps community! FinOps X 2024

Episode 37 Tammy Burnitt - Adopting FinOps At A Global Enterprise Tammy Burnitt shares her experience in establishing a FinOps practice in a large global enterprise. Tips on spreading the message on FinOps and gaining collaborators, not competitors. Tammy Burnitt FOCP | LinkedInFinOps X 2024

Episode 36 John Grubb - Building an Open Source FinOps Stack John Grubb shares how he is building his own open source FinOps stack. A great listen for anyone who has ever wondered how to even approach building their own tool.

Episode 35 Adrian Tatsch - The Business Persona Connecting to FinOps Adrian Tatsch, most recently from McKesson, shares lessons from her career journey on the business side, and how they benefited her when she discovered FinOps. This is a must listen for anyone navigating a their career. Adrian Tatsch | LinkedInFinOps X - June 27-30, 2023 San Diego, California

Episode 34 FinOpsPod Year End 2023 Joe and Stacy review the stats on FinOpsPod in 2023 and Ambassadors share about their year and what their plans are for 2024. Happy New Year! FinOps X 2024FinOps Certification and Training