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In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Abi and Jen sit down with Dr. Jill Hogan, a researcher, former music educator, and assistant teaching professor of psychology at Siena University. Jill shares her path into TAB, from spending time in a colleague’s art classroom to exploring artistic thinking through research, classroom visits, and her work on *Studio Thinking from the Start*. During their conversation, Jill and Jen discuss their book, *What Artists Do: TAB Pedagogy and Practice for K–12 Choice-Based Art Classes*, and what they learned from the educators whose experiences shaped it. Together, the trio explores TAB’s guiding principles, student agency, teacher autonomy, and the many ways TAB can take shape across different teaching contexts. They also discuss common misconceptions, the relationship between interest and lasting learning, intrinsic motivation, and the importance of giving teachers space to think, adapt, and trust their own practice. For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: Teaching for Artistic Behavior. You are also invited to join us on Mighty Networks, an online platform dedicated to everything TAB. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior / TAB TAB Resources TAB Storytellers Podcast  TAB Mighty Networks Community  Jill Hogan  Jill Hogan, Siena University Faculty Profile  What Artists Do: TAB Pedagogy and Practice for K–12 Choice-Based Art Classes  Studio Thinking from the Start: The K–8 Art Educator’s Handbook  Studio Habits of Mind / Studio Thinking Framework  Harvard Project Zero: Eight Habits of Mind  Here is a link to the lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at ⁠[email protected]⁠.

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Abi and Jen sit down with Paula Liz, an artist, educator, author, and founder of Anti-Racist Art Teachers. Together, Paula, Abi, and Jen discuss anti-racist art education, student advocacy, artivism, contemporary artists, representation, and the small but meaningful actions educators can take within their own spheres of influence. Paula shares the origin story of Anti-Racist Art Teachers, the need to respond rather than remain silent when harm shows up in classrooms or professional spaces, and the ways art education can help students imagine, create, and build a more equitable future. They also discuss the importance of art rooms as spaces where students can develop voice, agency, and leadership. For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: Teaching for Artistic Behavior. You are also invited to join us on Mighty Networks, an online platform dedicated to everything TAB. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior / TAB TAB Resources TAB Storytellers Podcast TAB Mighty Networks Community Paula Liz / Art with Ms. Paula Liz Paula Liz, About @paulaliz.art on Instagram Art with Ms. Paula Liz on YouTube Anti-Racist Art Teachers Anti-Racist Art Teachers: Artivism Resources Anti-Racist Art Teachers Resources Anti-Racist Art Teachers Lessons Anti-Racist Art Teachers Artists Database Anti-Racist Art Activities for Kids Book Resources Be a Creative Changemaker: A Kids' Art Activity Book: Inspired by the Amazing Life Stories of Diverse Artists from Around the World by Paula Liz Be a Creative Changemaker Resources & References Anti-Racist Art Activities for Kids: 30+ Creative Projects that Celebrate Diversity and Inspire Change by Paula Liz, Abigail Birhanu, Khadesia Latimer, Lori Santos, Tamara Slade, and Anjali Wells How Minds Change: The Surprising Science of Belief, Opinion, and Persuasion by David McRaney National Art Education Association Studio Habits of Mind / Studio Thinking Framework Harvard Project Zero: Eight Habits of Mind International Baccalaureate Visual Arts Empty Bowls MIT Living Wage Calculator Living Wage Calculation for the District of Columbia Capital Area Food Bank Here is a link to the lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at ⁠[email protected]⁠.

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Abi and Jen sit down with Emily Bawol, an art teacher, artist, and art therapist at A2 STEAM in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Emily shares how her path through discipline-based art education, art therapy, motherhood, Waldorf, Montessori, Reggio-inspired learning, and project-based education helped her recognize that she was already building a TAB studio before she had the language for it. Together, the trio explores the role of the art teacher in a TAB classroom, especially around idea generation, material exploration, autonomy, and helping young artists trust that their own ideas matter. Emily talks about creating a studio rooted in wonder, where students learn that they are the most important tool in the room, while still building the skills, habits, and confidence they need to bring their ideas to life. For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: Teaching for Artistic Behavior. You are also invited to join us on Mighty Networks, an online platform dedicated to everything TAB. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior / TAB TAB Resources TAB Storytellers Podcast TAB Mighty Networks Community Emily Bawol / A2 STEAM Art & Design A2 STEAM Project-Based Learning American Art Therapy Association: About Art Therapy CASEL: Fundamentals of SEL Discipline-Based Art Education, Getty Virtual Library Waldorf Education, Association of Waldorf Schools of North America American Montessori Society: About Montessori North American Reggio Emilia Alliance PBLWorks: What Is Project Based Learning? Melissa Purtee: The Difference Between TAB and Choice and Why It Matters TAB Institute at MassArt Julie Toole, MassArt TAB Institute Faculty Profile TAB Storytellers S3E5: Meet Julie Toole Harvard Project Zero Thinking Routines Project Zero: See, Think, Wonder Studio Thinking Books and Resources Peter London, No More Secondhand Art, Internet Archive Seymour Simmons III: The Value of Drawing Artists Mentioned: Jean-Michel Basquiat, official estate website Frida Kahlo Museum / Museo Frida Kahlo Mark Rothko, National Gallery of Art Pablo Picasso, National Gallery of Art Vincent van Gogh, Van Gogh Museum Here is a link to the lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at ⁠[email protected]⁠.

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi sit down with longtime TAB educator Tom Burkle and preservice art educator Liam Schneider for a beautiful full-circle conversation about teaching, mentorship, student agency, and what it means to grow into TAB over time. Liam was once Tom’s elementary art student, later became Abi’s student at the University of Northern Colorado, and recently returned to Tom’s classroom as a student teacher. Together, they reflect on Tom’s early move toward choice, the small classroom moments that can shift an educator’s whole philosophy, and the power of seeing students, and future teachers, as capable artists and thinkers. The conversation moves through TAB history in Colorado, curriculum design, artist statements, classroom management, confidence-building, and the real planning and organization behind a choice-based studio. Tom and Liam also talk honestly about behavior, routines, individualized consequences, and the importance of reflective mentorship in helping new teachers stay grounded, curious, and willing to try again. Bonus update: Since this conversation was recorded in March (yes Abi was busy and yes she got behind and is playing catch up), Liam graduated and has found a job! He will be teaching high school pottery next year in the same town near Tom, and they are both excited for this next chapter. Here is a pic of Abi and Liam from the right before Liam graduated. Resources Teaching for Artistic Behavior / TAB: Official TAB website and starting place for learning more about TAB pedagogy, practice, professional development, and community.  https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org TAB Community on Mighty Networks: Online community for TAB educators to connect, ask questions, and share resources. https://teaching-for-artistic-behavior-inc.mn.co/ Fred Tjardes School of Innovation, Greeley, Colorado: Mentioned by Liam and Abi as a powerful example of inquiry, student agency, theme-based learning, and choice-centered practice beyond the art room.  https://ftsoi.greeleyschools.org/ Understanding by Design by Grant Wiggins and Jay McTighe: Tom mentions this book as part of his early thinking around curriculum, assessment, and how students demonstrate higher-level thinking.  https://www.ascd.org/books/understanding-by-design-expanded-2nd-edition Understanding by Design Framework White Paper: A helpful overview of the UbD framework for curriculum planning and assessment. https://files.ascd.org/staticfiles/ascd/pdf/siteASCD/publications/UbD_WhitePaper0312.pdf Olivia Gude’s “Postmodern Principles: In Search of a 21st Century Art Education”:  Liam references Connie Stewart introducing him to postmodern principles, which became a game changer in his understanding of choice, meaning-making, and contemporary art education.  https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00043125.2004.11653528 University of Northern Colorado:  Referenced as part of Liam’s preservice teacher education journey and Abi’s teaching context. https://www.unco.edu/pva/art-design/areas/art-education/ TAB Colorado:  Mentioned in the conversation as part of the broader Colorado TAB story and community.  https://coloradotabinc.org MassArt TAB Institute: Referenced in the conversation as part of the broader timeline of TAB professional learning and community-building.  https://pce.massart.edu/programs/tab Teaching for Artistic Behavior: A Definition and Historiography by Abi Paytoe Gbayee: Abi mentions her dissertation and Tom’s connection to her research on continuums of choice. https://www.proquest.com/dissertations-theses/teaching-artistic-behavior-definition/docview/2817860186/se-2 Here is a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected]⁠.

Join us in this episode as we talk with TAB Institute Directors Melissa Purtee, Jen Rankey-Zona, and past TAB Institute attendees Ellie Bejar-Benz, Darren Farris, and Margaret Fetzko about the TAB Institute. This year’s focus is on building sustainable studios, and the power of being in community with other art educators. The conversation centers on how TAB helps students and teachers build creative confidence, use materials with intention, embrace authentic problem-solving, and reconnect with the joy and humanity of artmaking. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior / TAB — official TAB website. TAB Professional Development — TAB workshops and professional development opportunities. TAB Mighty Networks Community — online TAB educator community. MassArt TAB Institute — MassArt’s Teaching for Artistic Behavior Summer Institute page. Massachusetts College of Art and Design / MassArt — official MassArt website. Boston Modern Quilt Guild: Current Quilt Shows & Events — includes the no-new-materials/upcycled denim quilt challenge mentioned in the episode. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston — mentioned as being near MassArt. Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum — mentioned as another nearby Boston museum. Gelli Arts Gel Printing Plates — linked for the “Gelli blocks” reference. NAEA Learning: Going Deeper with Teaching for Artistic Behavior — includes Katherine Douglas and Diane Jaquith discussing TAB.Here is a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at ⁠[email protected]⁠.

In this episode Abi and Jen welcome elementary TAB educator Jess Baker to explore the powerful connections between Teaching for Artistic Behavior, special education, differentiated instruction, and student independence. Jess shares how her graduate work helped her recognize the ways TAB already supports students with exceptionalities by centering choice, access, collaboration, and authentic artmaking. Together, we talk about honoring the whole child, advocating for students in the art room, and why play, freedom, and independence matter so deeply in a TAB studio. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior / TAB — official TAB website. TAB Community on Mighty Networks — online TAB educator community. Parents Encouraging Parents / PEP Conference — Colorado Department of Education — conference Jess references for families of children with disabilities. CAST Universal Design for Learning Guidelines — UDL resource connected to the conversation about access and differentiated instruction. Colorado Multi-Tiered System of Supports / MTSS — MTSS resource connected to the discussion of student support systems. Response to Intervention within Colorado MTSS — RTI resource connected to the MTSS/RTI language in the episode. TAB Storytellers: Meet George Szekely & Ilona Szekely — episode referenced during the conversation about play, collections, and agency. Play and Art Podcast with Dr. Ilona and Dr. George Szekely — podcast focused on play-based art teaching. Discovery Museum — da Vinci Workshop — maker/exploration space Jen mentions. Boston Children’s Museum — Art Lab — hands-on art space mentioned in relation to children’s open-ended artmaking. The Art Barn / Cultural Center of Cape Cod — children’s art space on the Cape mentioned by Jen. Margie’s Java Joint — Greeley coffee shop mentioned in Abi and Jess’s story. Here is a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected]. Also we are using our imagination to pretend Abi got this episode published in March. Life was life-ing.

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi sit down with the incredible Dale Zalmstra, whose work and mentorship have profoundly shaped TAB practice in Colorado and beyond. Dale shares her nontraditional path into art education, how she found TAB early on, and why community, reflection, and teacher involvement are essential to sustaining student-centered, choice-based learning. This conversation is a powerful reminder that TAB is a philosophy—rooted in trust, creativity, and authenticity—that continues to grow through relationships and shared leadership. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior (TAB) Website: https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org Core ideas: The child is the artist. The classroom is the studio. What do artists do? Mighty Networks – TAB Community Online community of TAB educators (linked through  TeachingforArtisticBehavior.org → “Join Our Community”) TAB Art Educators Facebook Group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/178282718971259/ National Art Education Association (NAEA) https://www.arteducators.org Colorado Art Education Association (CAEA) coloradoarted.org ArtSource (Colorado) www.artsourceco.org TAB Colorado and TAB CO Conference  TAB Colorado: coloradotabinc.org TABStock https://www.facebook.com/groups/248738239772624/ Colorado Visual Arts Standards Colorado Visual Art Standards What Artists Do Subtitle: TAB Pedagogy and Practice for K–12 Choice-Based Art Classes By Jen Ferrari and Jill Hogan Publication date: June 26, 2026 (preorders available at time of recording) Here is a link to a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected].

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi sit down with Dr. Yichien Cooper to explore how curriculum can be a living, justice-centered practice shaped by listening, trust, and creative risk-taking. Yichien shares how she brings the principles of TAB into higher education spaces, even without a formal art education program, and how honoring students' lived experiences can transform both teaching and learning. It’s a conversation full of reflection, encouragement, and powerful reminders that what we do in the classroom plants real seeds. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior: teachingforartisticbehavior.org TAB community (Mighty Networks): teaching-for-artistic-behavior-inc.mn.co.  National Art Education Association (NAEA): arteducators.org.  TAB Art Educators Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/178282718971259/ Here is a link to a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected].

In this episode, join Jen and Abi as they sit down with retired Arizona art teacher Colleen Eckles to learn how she moved from traditional, product-driven projects into a full TAB practice over the course of her 29-year career. Colleen shares the messy middle, “Free Art Fridays,” center set-ups, admin conversations, and high-stakes testing, along with the joy of trusting kids as artists and finding community through TAB books, conferences, and online spaces. Colleen brings a heartfelt encouragement for teachers, both new and folks on the edge of burn out, to start small, find their people, and keep honoring students’ creative agency. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior: teachingforartisticbehavior.org TAB community (Mighty Networks): teaching-for-artistic-behavior-inc.mn.co.  TAB Art Educators Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/178282718971259/ Blocks Paper Scissors Podcast - Clark Fralick and Clyde Gaw https://blockspaperscissors.podbean.com/ Make Artists Podcast - Ian Sands https://open.spotify.com/show/4dLxBE4pANtQ5Iw44gCWMk Abi’s Dissertation - Teaching for Artistic Behavior: A Definition and Historiography: https://www.proquest.com/dissertations-theses/teaching-artistic-behavior-definition/docview/2817860186/se-2 National Art Education Association (NAEA): ⁠arteducators.org⁠. Here is a link to a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected].

Join Jen and Abi as they chat with Anna Gibson, TAB art educator in Santa Fe, and Steve Heil, New Mexico Lead Department Analyst at New Mexico Public Education Department, about nurturing advanced artists within a TAB (Teaching for Artistic Behavior) framework. They trace their TAB journeys, explain an inclusive advanced-art model (screening, teacher nomination, or self-selection), and show how authentic showcases and contests build agency, visibility, and healthy “eustress,” especially for students from marginalized backgrounds. The conversation blends creativity research, gifted-education practices, and culturally responsive teaching to keep young artists in the pipeline from elementary through high school and beyond. Resources: Teaching for Artistic Behavior: teachingforartisticbehavior.org TAB community (Mighty Networks): teaching-for-artistic-behavior-inc.mn.co.  National Art Education Association (NAEA): arteducators.org.  New Mexico Art Education Association (NMAEA): newmexicoarteducators.org.  Recycle Santa Fe Art Festival: recyclesantafe.org.  Inside Out Project (JR Artist): insideoutproject.net.  Zaretta Hammond — Culturally Responsive Teaching & the Brain: crtandthebrain.com New Mexico Association for the Gifted (NMAG): nmgifted.org  New Mexico Public Education Department (NMPED): web.ped.nm.gov  NAEP 2016 Arts Assessment (The Nation’s Report Card / NCES): nationsreportcard.gov/arts_2016/ and NCES overview.  nationsreportcard.gov George Szekely: georgeszekely.com; book Play and Creativity in Art Teaching.  Szekely website Clyde Gaw (TAB/choice-based art): clydegaw.blogspot.com Navajo Nation: navajo-nsn.gov Pueblo of Zuni: ashiwi.org Here is a link to a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected].

Join Abi and Jen in this inspiring episode as we dive deep with Chicago-based art educator Kitty Conde. Kitty shares her rich journey from building an art program from the ground up to championing TAB pedagogy in her public school. From organizing community-integrated Shark Tank-style student projects to mentoring over 40 student teachers, Kitty shares actionable insights and honest reflections on scaffolding choice, advocating for student voice, navigating standards, and embracing intergenerational learning. Her passion and systems-thinking approach remind us what it really means to teach artists, not just art. Resources & Links Teaching for Artistic Behavior (TAB) – https://teachingforartisticbehavior.org Mighty Networks (TAB Community) – Accessible via the TAB website > "Join Our Community" Engaging Learners Through Artmaking by Katherine M. Douglas & Diane B. Jaquith Studio Thinking / Studio Habits of Mind – Project Zero, Harvard Knowledge Loom – Archived resource, formerly at knowledgeloom.org DonorsChoose – https://www.donorschoose.org National Art Education Association (NAEA) – https://www.arteducators.org National Board for Professional Teaching Standards – https://www.nbpts.org Illinois Arts Learning Standards – Based on National Core Arts Standards (https://www.nationalartsstandards.org) Thinking Through Art: Studio Thinking from the Start – Lois Hetland et al. Here is a link to a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected]

In this episode of TAB Storytellers Abi and Jen sit down with Bridget Kudrle, a veteran TAB teacher and president of TAB, Inc., to talk about the whirlwind of starting a school year, what it means to lead with choice and trust in the art room, and how community keeps us grounded. From QTIP (Quit Taking It Personally) to building routines that save your sanity, Bridget shares wisdom for both new and seasoned TAB educators.  Resources & Links: Teaching for Artistic Behavior Regional TAB Groups MassArt TAB Institute Anti-Racist Art Teachers Here is a link to a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected]

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, Jen and Abi speak with dynamic art education leaders Matt & Laura Grundler of the K-12 Art Chat podcast. In the conversation, they share insights into their current work, recent projects, and their powerful journey as art teachers and administrators. The conversation also touches on advocacy, mutual support as partners and educators, and how they help guide fellow teachers in embracing their personal and professional identities. Here are links to resources or more information that was discussed in the TABcast: K12 Art Chat Podcast (Matt & Laura Grundler) https://www.davisart.com/free-resources/k12-artchat/ The Creativity Department for all things Matt and Laura  https://www.grundlerart.com/ Peter H. Reynolds (Author & Illustrator) https://www.peterhreynolds.com/ The Dot Sky Color Studio Thinking https://www.studiothinking.org/ Dwayne Edwards / PENSOLE Lewis College of Business & Design https://www.plcdetroit.com/ Davis Art Publications https://www.davisart.com/ Understanding by Design (UbD) Understanding by Design White Paper Here is a link to a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected]

In this episode of TAB Storytellers, we are joined by Connie Stewart, Professor Emeritus from the University of Northern Colorado and a passionate advocate for student-centered, contemporary art education. Connie shares her journey with Teaching for Artistic Behavior (TAB), her commitment to individualized instruction, and her work with contemporary artists and big ideas in the classroom. She offers practical advice on questioning strategies, meaningful integration, and staying curious as both an educator and artist. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about honoring student voice, fostering inquiry, and keeping your own artistic spark alive. For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: www.teachingfor artisticbehavior.org. Also, you are invited to join us on Mighty Networks (https://teaching-for-artistic-behavior.mn.com/), an online platform dedicated to everything TAB! Here are links to resources or more information that was discussed in the TABcast:  Teaching Contemporary Art with Young People Authors: Julia Marshall, Anne Thulson, Connie Stewart Critical Conversations in Art Education Editors: Lisa Hochtritt, Eli Burke, Toya Northington, Connie Stewart Think 360 Arts for Learning Website: https://think360arts.org Artists: Cyrus Kabiru Known for: C-Stunners – wearable sculptures made from discarded materials Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ckabiru/ Tomás Saraceno Known for: Interdisciplinary installations involving spider webs, sound, air, and architecture Website: https://studiotomassaraceno.org John Constable Known for: Detailed cloud and landscape studies (historical reference) Public domain works available via Wikimedia Commons Some Additional Artists: These artists have done work that could be curated for the classroom depending on your age group and community Titus Kaphar  Lenka Clayton Laurel Roth Hope Alberta Aguilar Cyrus Kabiro Aram Han Sifuentes-banners (could be used to express opinions about school, local community) Joo Young Choi Guerilla Girls; the art of complaining Ibrahim Mohama Here is a link to a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected]

In the last episode of TAB Storytellers season 3, Abi and Jen decided to end with a candid, heartfelt conversation that celebrates their journey, the evolution of TAB (Teaching for Artistic Behavior), and the challenges and triumphs of teaching art in diverse environments. They reflect on their personal and professional growth, share updates about roles, research, and family life, and explore meaningful themes like student agency, teacher identity, and curriculum design. It's a rich and inspiring check-in that reaffirms the community and philosophy behind the TABcast. For more information about TAB, please visit the TAB website: www.teachingfor artisticbehavior.org. Also, you are invited to join us on Mighty Networks (https://teaching-for-artistic-behavior.mn.com/), an online platform dedicated to everything TAB! Here are links to resources or more information that was discussed in the TABcast:  Engaging Learners Through Artmaking (Book, 2nd Edition) Fred Tjardes School of Innovation, Greeley, CO Here is a link to a lightly edited transcript of this episode. We recognize that there are probably errors and grammatical issues. If anyone with the time or inclination to edit this wants to do so, please email us at [email protected]