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Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on "The Julia La Roche Show" have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.
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#336 George Noble: The Fiscal Bill Is Coming Due, Gold Could Double From Here, and the Death of Speculation Is Underway
2026/02/05
George Noble, CIO of Noble Capital Advisors, lays out his big theme for 2026: rotation. George argues that the debasement trade is the dominant macro narrative, with the bill coming due for decades of reckless fiscal and monetary policy. He calls the 60/40 portfolio dead, urging investors to dump bonds and buy gold, noting that gold miners could double in 12 months if prices hold. He makes the case that the AI trade is over. Noble sees energy as one of the most compelling opportunities. He expects emerging markets and foreign equities to continue outperforming the US, small caps to beat large caps, and the equal-weight S&P to trounce the cap-weighted index. His bottom line for investors: get out of bonds, buy gold, add energy, put money abroad, and switch from cap-weighted to equal-weight.
Links:
George Noble's Independent Research Conference: https://noble-capevents.com/
X: https://x.com/gnoble79
Timestamps:
0:00 Welcome and intro to George Noble
1:17 The debasement trade: The big macro picture
3:42 The bill is coming due for decades of reckless policy
5:10 The US government's math doesn't work — bond yields way too low
6:55 2026 theme: Rotation — don't worship the altar of price
7:06 The macro backdrop and where to be allocated
7:33 US exceptionalism is fading — fiscal pulse now in Europe
8:45 China outperforming the US — and it's going to continue
9:48 Rotation out of US dollar-based assets
11:27 Long bond headed north of 5%? Implications for housing
13:27 Credit spreads tight, inflationary boom possible
14:50 The bond market measured in gold — it's crashing
16:26 The 60/40 portfolio is dead
16:55 Inflation: People don't live on rate of change, they live on prices
18:55 The K-shaped economy and rising prices everywhere
20:41 Gold update: You cannot be bullish enough
22:30 The song remains the same — macro drivers still in play
24:04 Gold miners could double in 12 months
25:21 Don't get caught up in short-term thinking
26:45 The Dunning-Kruger Institute of Finance
28:48 The death of speculation
29:26 Is it a stock picker's market again?
30:30 The Japan analogy: MAG 7 is today's Japan 1989
32:16 Just avoid MAG 7 and you'll outperform
33:23 Recency bias and why consensus is stuck
34:42 George is not bearish — he's rotating
35:12 Energy: Only 3% of the S&P — massively out of favor
37:46 Oil prices and the case for energy equities
39:14 Venezuela is a nothing burger — fade the hot takes
40:41 AI trade is a short: Nvidia, Tesla, software
43:05 SaaSmageddon and ServiceNow at 73x earnings
45:51 Rotation: The theme in one word
46:11 What should the average investor do?
48:36 The playbook: Equal weight, gold, energy, foreign markets, no bonds
49:19 March 11th conference
53:00 Closing
#335 Alex Gurevich: Zero Interest Rates Are Not Off the Table, Deflation Is Coming, and the Next Perfect Trade
2026/02/03
Alex Gurevich, founder and Chief Investment Officer of HonTe Investments, a Bay Area-based investment management firm, and the author of The Next Perfect Trade and Wall Street Journal bestseller The Trades of March 2020, returns to The Julia La Roche Show. In this episode, Gurevich discuss his updated thesis on interest rates, deflation, and the forces shaping markets. He argues that zero interest rates are "not off the table" — and that the probability is far higher than the market is pricing. He sees labor market deterioration happening quietly under the surface, warning that "the less visible it is, the worse it's probably going to be" because policymakers won't act until it's too late. Unlike the consensus worried about inflation, Alex is firmly in the deflation camp, though he notes any deflation can be countered by fiscal stimulus — he just doesn't think the government will act aggressively enough given how burned they were by the post-COVID inflation. He also discusses his newly released second edition of "The Next Perfect Trade," explaining why he kept the original text intact to maintain intellectual honesty about what worked and what didn't over the past decade. He declares the 40-year bond bull market "definitively over," shares his framework on carry as an underappreciated edge, and offers a fascinating take on AI's future energy demands potentially exceeding the output of the sun.
Links:
Book: https://www.amazon.com/Next-Perfect-Trade-Magic-Necessity/dp/1544550014/
X: https://x.com/agurevich23
Website: https://honteinv.com/
0:00 Welcome and congratulations on the second edition
1:19 The Next Perfect Trade — second edition out now
2:01 Setting the table: The macro view today
3:30 All the fireworks have been in precious metals
4:08 Interest rates are "pinned in confusion"
4:45 Alex's view: Leaning toward zero rates
5:40 Labor market deterioration — the less visible, the worse it will be
7:20 The behavior of rates during Fed cutting cycles
8:58 What zero rates would mean for the economy
9:36 The relationship between stocks, jobs, rates, and growth is broken
11:30 Could we have strong growth and weak jobs simultaneously?
13:13 Deflation, not inflation
14:10 The pendulum: Deflation, then too much stimulus, then inflation again
15:25 Recency bias from COVID stimulus keeping government cautious
16:02 Precious metals: What does the move signal?
18:41 Why the second edition? Intellectual honesty
20:29 Admitting mistakes: "It was arrogant of me"
23:12 Growth as a trader — recognizing your weaknesses
24:08 The one chart to rule them all — is the 40-year bond bull market over?
25:41 Bull markets break up before they break down
27:19 The 2020 bond breakout should have been a warning
29:47 The underappreciated power of carry
32:04 Be the casino, not the gambler
33:30 The corporate borrowing rate indicator
36:27 Why the indicator broke down in 2021-23
38:26 Has the macro investing world changed?
39:52 The most underappreciated force in macro right now
42:46 AI's energy demand will overwhelm all sources — even fusion
45:18 Is energy the trade?
46:55 The perfect trade: Japan is getting interesting
48:40 Where to find Alex and parting thoughts
#334 Chris Whalen: Trump's Fed Chair Pick Kevin Warsh Is a Classic Hawk, Why Gold Is Due for a Correction But The Bull Market Isn't Over, & The Private Credit Cesspool
2026/01/31
In this week's episode of The Wrap, Chris Whalen breaks down President Trump's nomination of Kevin Warsh as Fed Chair, calling him "the only choice" and a "classic hawk" who won't be afraid to lecture Congress on the link between deficits and inflation — something no Fed chair has done in 30 years. Chris explains why Warsh will likely shrink the balance sheet while giving Trump one or two rate cuts, and predicts the nomination may actually keep Powell on the board through 2028 just to deprive Trump of another conservative seat. On markets, Chris sees a more boring year ahead after 2025's extraordinary run, with gold and silver due for a 10-15% correction — though the bull market isn't over. He notes that crypto platforms like Hyperliquid are now trading precious metals, signaling money flowing from crypto into the "shiny object that's moving most." Chris also warns that private equity is becoming a major risk, with one in five firms now illiquid or in default, representing hundreds of billions in potential bank losses.
Links:
The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/
Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen
Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 Welcome
1:09 Kevin Warsh nominated as Fed Chair — Chris's reaction
2:15 Warsh will have to build consensus on the FOMC
3:01 Warsh won't be afraid to link deficits and inflation
3:15 Will Warsh be more hawkish?
4:26 Warsh during the financial crisis — what to expect
5:25 The martyrdom of Jerome Powell: Yellen and Powell did too much
6:04 Hard decisions the market won't like
6:15 A conservative Fed puts pressure back on Congress
7:21 Will Trump like Warsh lecturing on deficits?
7:49 Powell refusing to say if he'll stay as governor
9:32 Is staying on the board political?
10:32 What will Powell's legacy be?
12:09 The state of the Fed's balance sheet: Poor
13:21 Central banks should keep assets short — the Fed didn't
14:15 Powell's comments on the deficit being "unsustainable"
16:08 Markets: S&P briefly hit 7000
17:47 Credit-sensitive stocks under pressure, metals outperforming
18:41 Labor market and layoffs: Amazon, UPS, FedEx
19:19 Personnel costs and inflation
19:42 Gold to $5,600, silver to $110 — correction coming?
20:50 Crypto platforms now trading gold and silver
22:21 Central bank gold holdings now exceed foreign Treasury holdings
24:26 Where Chris is putting his money
24:43 WGA 50 bank rankings preview
26:57 Private equity risk: 1 in 5 firms illiquid or in default
28:29 AI companies leveraged to their eyebrows
28:50 Viewer mail: Taking profits on Annaly?
32:29 Parting thoughts: Earnings, Warsh, and what's ahead
34:47 Closing
#333 Danielle DiMartino Booth on Powell's Policy Errors, Why Unemployment Is Headed to 6%, and Gold Going Meme
2026/01/29
Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO and Chief Strategist at QI Research, breaks down why the Fed's decision to pause was both premature and political, arguing Powell is "committing policy errors to quietly dig at the administration." She explains why the Fed should have cut today — and why she believes we need 100 basis points of cuts given deteriorating labor market data that Powell is choosing to ignore. Danielle unpacks the DOJ subpoena drama, revealing that betting markets dropped Powell's odds of leaving by August from 90% to 60% after the charges, and she believes he's now "enjoying the cat and mouse" with Trump. She revisits her open letter calling for the FOMC to elect Chris Waller as chair, explains why Rick Rieder would be "inviting the fox into the hen house," and shares her bold prediction: unemployment will have a 6 handle within a year. Plus, she discusses the hidden stress signals in Buy Now Pay Later data and why gold is behaving like a "meme stock."
Links:
Danielle's open letter: https://quillintelligence.com/2025/12/10/the-weekly-quill-open-letter-2/
Danielle's open letter part 2: https://quillintelligence.com/2026/01/22/the-weekly-quill-open-letter-ii-public/
Danielle's Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/dimartinobooth
Substack: https://dimartinobooth.substack.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DanielleDiMartinoBoothQI
Fed Up: https://www.amazon.com/Fed-Up-Insiders-Federal-Reserve/dp/0735211655
Timestamps:
0:00 Welcome
1:05 The Powell subpoena: Danielle's reaction
3:35 Betting markets: Powell leaving odds dropped
4:51 Powell is the cat, Trump is the mouse
5:54 Why Powell is being political by NOT cutting rates
6:35 How Powell moved the goalposts on rate probability
7:32 The contradiction: Integrity vs. ignoring the American people
8:33 Financial conditions are easy because of passive investing, not the Fed
9:19 The shutdown has affected data integrity
10:05 Outlook for the year: Rate cuts coming?
10:50 Conference Board labor differential — recession signal
12:06 Should he have cut today? Yes. We need 100 basis points of cuts
12:52 Open Letter Part Two: Why the FOMC should have elected Chris Waller
15:03 Rick Rieder: Inviting the fox into the hen house?
16:34 Who will be the next Fed chair?
17:35 What we don't understand about Fed chair transitions
19:04 The questions reporters should have asked Powell
21:29 Hidden signal: Google searches for "file unemployment" keep rising
22:28 Buy Now Pay Later for dental bills and utilities — the stress is real
25:41 Gen Z risk appetite and the environment that shapes investors
26:45 Gold is a meme now
29:01 DoubleLine roundtable: Long utilities, short financials
31:14 Commercial real estate capitulation and bankruptcies
32:14 Bold prediction: Unemployment will have a 6 handle by next year
33:20 Parting thoughts: Don't forget about your neighbors
33:45 Closing
#332 Chris Whalen: Trump Doesn't Want Home Prices to Fall — But He Has No Choice
2026/01/24
In this week's episode of The Wrap, Chris Whalen breaks down President Trump's Davos speech, noting that despite promises on housing affordability, the administration has no real plan to lower prices — and Trump explicitly said he doesn't want home prices to fall. Chris explains why that won't matter: hot markets like San Diego and Florida are already cooling, and he predicts a significant correction by 2028 that could push prices back to 2020-21 levels, leaving every mortgage made since COVID underwater. He warns that Trump will "run the economy hot" to win the midterms, with consequences to pay afterward. On rates, Chris explains why long-term yields keep rising despite Fed cuts and what happens if a new Fed chairman loses an FOMC vote. He also discusses gold's march toward $5,000, calling it "the return of gold" as central banks worldwide reverse 70 years of policy, and weighs in on the FDIC's approval of Ford and GM to establish deposit-taking banks.
Links:
The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/
https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira802
Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen
Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 Welcome and intro
0:50 Trump at Davos: Greenland walkback and housing
2:55 The two sides of housing: Owners vs. buyers
4:00 401(k) withdrawals for down payments — does it help?
5:00 Why stoking demand pushes prices higher
6:17 Hot markets cool first: San Diego, Florida, Carolinas
7:58 Demographics and housing: Boomers vs. millennials
8:37 Rate cuts coming and the 2028 correction
9:35 What happens if prices fall 20%? Every post-COVID loan underwater
10:10 Signs to watch for a broader market shift in 2026
12:36 Why long-term rates rise when the Fed cuts
14:15 How lenders are feeling right now
15:14 Gold closing in on $5,000
16:28 Trump will run the economy hot for the midterms
18:05 You pay for it after the election
18:51 What if the new Fed chair loses an FOMC vote?
21:00 What should the Fed actually be doing?
22:45 The asymmetry of gold and silver investments
26:32 The return of gold: Central banks reverse 70 years of policy
27:06 Peter Schiff's crisis call — does Chris buy it?
28:36 FDIC approves Ford and GM banks — what it means
32:46 Viewer mail: Gold as a hedge for real estate
33:45 Viewer mail: Stable coins debate
35:30 Closing
#331 Jim Rickards: Gold Is Going to $10,000 (At Least) — Here's What's Really Driving It
2026/01/23
In this special in-person interview, Jim Rickards breaks down why the Trump administration is far more strategic than the media portrays, explaining the "flood the zone" tactic and Scott Bessent's "Three Arrows" approach to bringing down the debt-to-GDP ratio. Jim dismantles the popular "debasement trade" narrative, revealing that foreign central banks are not dumping Treasuries and that the real risk lies in the Eurodollar market and the $1 quadrillion derivatives system underpinning global finance. He warns that stablecoins are quietly hoarding Treasury bills needed for collateral — and the risk of fraud waiting to blow up. On gold, Jim explains why $5,000 is just the beginning, making the case for $10,000 to $25,000 based on historical precedent from the 1970s when the dollar lost 94% of its value measured in gold. He also offers a bold prediction: the potential breakup of NATO as geopolitical alliances fracture under pressure.
More about Rickards:
Rickards is a New York Times bestselling author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis and several other best-sellers, including The New Great Depression, Aftermath, The Road to Ruin, Death of Money, The New Case for Gold, Sold Out: How Broken Supply Chains, Surging Inflation, and Political Instability Will Sink the Global Economy, and his newest book MoneyGPT: AI and the Threat to the Global Economy. An investment advisor, lawyer, inventor, and economist, Rickards has held senior positions at Citibank, Long-Term Capital Management, and Caxton Associates. He is also the Editor of Strategic Intelligence, a widely-read financial newsletter.
Links:
http://www.jamesrickardsproject.com/
https://x.com/RealJimRickards
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:33 Why the second Trump term is different from the first
5:25 The Heritage Foundation and Project 2025
6:45 Executive orders and legislative wins
8:20 Federal courts and the Supreme Court battles
9:49 The economy: Is it really chaos?
11:32 The national debt: Why $39 trillion isn't the number to watch
13:45 The debt-to-GDP ratio explained
15:30 The Keynesian multiplier and diminishing returns
17:38 How we fixed the debt ratio after WWII (1945-1980)
18:36 Scott Bessent's "Three Arrows" strategy
19:19 The debasement trade: Why it's a false narrative
21:15 Are foreign central banks dumping Treasuries? (No)
23:15 What triggers a financial panic
24:45 How the Fed actually "prints money"
26:30 The Eurodollar market: Where real money comes from
28:00 The $1 quadrillion derivatives market
30:15 Stablecoins: The hidden risk in crypto
33:24 Tether's commercial paper problem
35:37 Gold: Why it's really moving
37:45 The Russian asset freeze and its unintended consequences
42:26 Gold does well in deflation too
45:48 The first Pentagon financial war game (2009)
49:54 Gold's trajectory: $10,000 to $25,000 or higher
51:45 The 1970s: When gold went up 2,700%
55:30 Anchoring bias and why $1,000 jumps get easier
56:33 Jim Rogers on the 50% retracement rule
58:49 Silver: Precious metal meets industrial input
63:21 Bold prediction: The potential breakup of NATO
67:34 Parting thoughts: True diversification
#330 Rick Rule: I Sold 80% of My Silver — Here's Why and Where I'm Putting It Now
2026/01/20
In this wide-ranging conversation, natural resource investor Rick Rule, president and CEO of Rule Investment Media and co-founder of Battle Bank, shares his macro outlook, warning that the global economy is weaker than most believe. He explains why he sold 80% of his physical silver after its run from $20 to $75 — and redeployed half into silver mining equities where he sees better leverage if prices hold. Rick breaks down the stark math behind America's $160 trillion in combined liabilities versus $167 trillion in total private net worth, arguing that a "dishonest default" through inflation is inevitable. He shares his framework for knowing when to sell, discusses the coming AI disruption to white-collar jobs, offers his candid views on the Fed and taxation, and provides an update on Battle Bank's national rollout after a 54-month regulatory journey.
This episode is brought to you by VanEck.
Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia
Timestamps:
0:00 Welcome back Rick Rule
0:47 Macro outlook: Global economy weaker than people think
3:19 Precious metals are "absolutely screaming"
4:14 Silver update: The coiled spring has sprung
5:16 What's driving the gold price
6:40 US debt: $160 trillion in liabilities vs $167 trillion net worth
9:48 Honest default vs dishonest default
11:00 Why CPI understates real inflation
13:22 What would fix this? (Hint: Nothing politically viable)
15:29 Where could gold go from here
16:37 Warning: Expect 30-50% drawdowns in this bull market
18:23 Is gold and silver still contrarian?
19:16 Why Rick sold 80% of his physical silver
20:47 Redeploying into silver mining equities
21:57 Rick's investment memo framework
24:00 Silver equities: The leverage opportunity
26:44 Wealth taxes and the nature of taxation
29:52 The New York City socialist experiment
33:35 How we fixed it in the 1970s — five lessons
37:34 Innovation as the way out
38:36 "Take care of yourself — society won't be able to"
42:29 Thoughts on the Federal Reserve
44:45 What would free market interest rates look like
46:56 Signs the economy is deteriorating
49:53 AI and the coming white-collar disruption
54:09 AI: "Greatest memory, no common sense"
55:09 Battle Bank update
58:08 Closing
#329 Chris Whalen: Private Credit Is a Ticking Time Bomb | Banks Will Take Major Losses in 2026
2026/01/17
Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors and author of The Institutional Risk Analyst blog, joins The Julia La Roche Show for "The Wrap with Chris Whalen."
In this episode of The Wrap, Whalen breaks down why GSE release is officially off the table after Trump ordered them to buy back their own debt—a move Whalen calls "politics" driven by midterm election fears. He shares his take on crypto as "a polite form of gambling," explains why he prefers gold over silver despite silver's recent run, and dives deep into the housing market's affordability crisis. Whalen reveals his biggest concern for 2026: the hidden risks in private equity and credit, calling them "rancid pools of illiquid, opaque assets" that could cause major bank losses. He also weighs in on the DOJ's subpoena of Fed Chair Jerome Powell, predicting Kevin Warsh will likely be the next Fed chair, and closes with his outlook on markets, the dollar, and bank stocks.
Links:
The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/
Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen
Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 Welcome back to the Wrap with Chris Whalen
0:30 GSE release officially off the table?
2:32 The $200 billion announcement is politics
4:08 Political landscape and midterm elections
4:49 Crypto legislation falls apart
5:14 Crypto as speculation vs. gold & silver
6:40 Silver's short squeeze and volatility 8:30
Gold vs. silver as long-term trades
9:07 Copper and Dr. Copper as economic indicator
10:10 Housing policy and affordability crisis
12:10 Will the Fed allow home prices to fall?
14:30 Bank earnings season takeaways
16:50 Consumer delinquencies and economic warning signs
18:12 The hidden risk in private equity and credit
19:48 The "POOP" problem in private lending
21:42 Private credit as a ticking time bomb
22:58 Jerome Powell's DOJ subpoena
24:21 Kevin Warsh and the future of the Fed
27:05 Could the Fed resume MBS purchases?
28:56 Viewer question: NLY/Annaly REIT
30:52 Parting thoughts and 2026 outlook
31:46 Closing
#328 Peter Boockvar: Why $60 Oil Is One Of The Cheapest Assets In The World
2026/01/16
Peter Boockvar, Chief Investment Officer at One Point BFG Wealth Partners and author of The Boock Report, sees "bells ringing" on the AI tech trade with Oracle, CoreWeave, and Nvidia showing tiredness, and warns the question is whether the baton can be passed to other sectors without the market falling apart. His three favorite groups for 2026 are energy (where $60 oil is "one of the cheapest assets in the world" and he sees $70+ minimum), agriculture (fertilizer stocks like Mosaic and Nutrient), and beaten-down consumer staples offering "bond-like dividend yields with equity-like upside." On Venezuela, he disagrees with the oil-for-midterms thesis - it's really about stiff-arming China, Russia, and Iran, and won't impact oil supply for 5-10 years anyway. He's been trimming silver after its vertical move toward $100 but still likes gold driven by central bank buying and dollar diversification. His biggest concern: if we lose the AI trade, its dominance is so large it could take everything down with it.
This episode is brought to you by VanEck.
Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia
Links:
Substack/The Boock Report: https://boockreport.com/
Twitter/X: https://x.com/pboockvar
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro and welcome Peter Boockvar
01:18 2025 retro: World markets did really well, fire lit under international markets
03:15 Bells ringing on AI tech trade - Oracle, CoreWeave, Nvidia tiredness
05:45 China competition in AI - models more applicable, monetizing faster
06:30 Bifurcated economy: Manufacturing recession, lower-middle income spending weak
07:45 Data center build out - question of when not if it slows
08:30 Delta earnings: Premium cabin strong, main cabin no growth
09:15 Europe bifurcated too: Germany/France struggling, Spain/Greece doing well
11:36 Three favorite groups for 2026: Energy, ag, consumer staples
12:15 Energy: Bearish sentiment extreme, contrarian setup, CFTC net longs at 15-year lows
13:30 Venezuela: 5-10 years before notable production increase
14:15 OPEC production lagging quotas - most running at full capacity
15:00 US shale production slowing, rolling over even in Permian
15:45 Peak oil demand pushed out - hybrids winning, EV demand delayed
16:30 Ag: Fertilizer stocks - Mosaic, Nutrient - down and out value plays
17:15 Consumer staples destroyed over 12 months - deep value now
17:52 Names: Kimberly Clark, Nestle, Pepsi, ConAgra, Coke, Reynolds
18:24 Oil at $60 is one of the cheapest assets in the world - sees $70 minimum
19:15 Energy holdings: Exxon, BP, Shell, Canadian Natural Resources, Oxy, Noble, EQT
23:44 Venezuela won't impact oil supply for 5-10 years - focused on near-term
25:32 Inflation: Conflicting dynamics - services decelerating, goods inflation returning
27:00 Next Fed chair will have inflation dilemma - sticky around 3%
28:45 Services inflation could rebound in back half of 2026 as apartment supply absorbed
29:01 Reaction to Powell subpoena
30:09 Powell is done cutting - will be playing 18 holes in June
31:28 Last Fed cut was not necessary - took neutral rate below 1%
32:30 Need low and stable prices first, then labor market improves
35:34 Gold north of $4,600 - levels don't surprise, maybe pace did
36:27 Silver at $92 - trimming position, tree needs to take a breather
37:30 Gold thesis: Central bank buying, dollar diversification has more legs
38:49 2025 lesson: World woke up to opportunities outside mag seven
40:22 What not to own: Mag seven, long duration bonds
40:46 Japan matters for global rates - JGB yields rising, canary in coal mine
42:00 Bullish emerging market local currency bonds - better finances, cheap currencies
42:57 EM names: China, Malaysia, Singapore, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Indonesia
43:45 Biggest risk: Losing AI trade and gap up in long-term rates
44:24 Optimism: Broadening out continues, international markets, commodity trade has legs
45:03 Parting thoughts: Investors need to be flexible in their thinking
#327 Jim Rogers: Out Of US Stocks, Not A Bubble Yet & Holding Not Buying Gold
2026/01/15
Jim Rogers, who has sold all his US shares, warns that the American market has been going up longer than ever in history and when people say "it's different this time," you should look out the window and ask questions. While he doesn't think we're in a bubble yet, he sees bubble characteristics forming and is watching for signs to start shorting - like kids leaving college for the stock market and everyone talking about their investments. Rogers is deeply concerned about the $38.6 trillion in balance sheet debt plus over $200 trillion in off-balance sheet obligations, noting that historically this has always led to big problems. He still owns gold and silver but isn't buying at all-time highs, holds positions in China and Uzbekistan, and says he's "not happy" about the US capturing Venezuela's president - calling it "not normal" and "not defensible on the international stage." His stark conclusion: "It's a good time to be an old American. Young Americans are going to have lots of problems in their lifetime."
This episode is brought to you by VanEck.
Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia
00:00 Intro and welcome Jim Rogers
01:28 US economy and market going up longest in American history - sold all US shares
02:06 Has the US performance surprised you?
02:53 What questions should we be asking right now?
02:58 When should I start selling short? Exuberance setting us up for a top
03:41 Still owns shares in Uzbekistan and China - assessing China after recent run
04:12 Is the US in a bubble? Not yet, but beginning to have bubble characteristics
05:31 Worst crisis in our lifetime still coming - debt is unbelievable
07:55 Fed Chair Powell DOJ subpoena
11:00 US debt highest in history of the world, Fed printing huge amounts of money
13:12 Gold and silver performance - owns both, not selling, will buy more if they go down
15:34 Room to run in precious metals? Debt skyrocketing, money printing everywhere
16:36 What signs would make you short?
17:27 America losing financial wherewithal
19:44 Portfolio: Watching China go straight up, watching Uzbekistan, not adding
21:30 Venezuela
22:53 Nearly every stock market in the world making new highs - time to ask questions
24:56 Greatest strength and weakness as investor?
25:57 Biggest mistake?
27:46 Parting thoughts
#326 Chris Whalen: Trump's Idiotic Mortgage Bond Idea & Why Institutional Investors Aren't The Problem - The Fed Is
2026/01/10
Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors and author of The Institutional Risk Analyst blog, joins The Julia La Roche Show for "The Wrap with Chris Whalen."
In this episode, Whalen calls Trump's $200 billion mortgage bond buyback idea "idiotic" and says institutional investors aren't the problem with housing - the Fed buying 30-year mortgages and driving up home prices 50% in five years was the real culprit. He explains the Fed has been "operating like a hedge fund" with dangerous variable duration securities that won't pay off for over 10 years. On Venezuela, Whalen says it should have happened long ago - the Iranians had offensive missiles there that could strike the US, and he's astounded previous administrations tolerated it. He warns AI hype is now a systemic risk to tech valuations, with Oracle's Larry Ellison risking his company to chase the crowd, and predicts 2025's "magical year with no apparent cost for risk" is ending as banks prepare for consumer credit deterioration in 2026-27.
Links:
The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/
https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira796
Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen
Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro and welcome Chris Whalen
00:48 Non-farm payrolls report - weakness supports those saying economy is weak
01:46 Rate cuts likely this year on short end, but long-term rates not coming down
02:45 Trump's $200 billion mortgage bond idea - Chris calls it "idiotic"
07:25 Housing correction already building in weaker markets
08:24 Institutional investors not the problem - Fed buying 30-year mortgages was the problem
12:04 What would actually help housing? Build more houses, change zoning
13:04 NYC
18:16 Venezuela should have happened long ago
24:49 AI hype now a systemic risk to tech valuations?
27:06 Buying cheap financials - Flagstar below book, knows the team
28:39 2025 magical year with no apparent cost for risk - that's changing
30:05 Bank earnings next week
30:35 Viewer question: Deregulation impact on banks and real estate
32:53 Viewer question: If correction coming, wouldn't metals also fall?
34:52 Wrap up and parting thoughts
#325 David Woo: The World Is Not The Same After This Week
2026/01/09
Macro trends blogger and economist David Woo @DavidWooUnbound, CEO of David Woo Unbound, a global forum devoted to the promotion of fact-based debates about markets, politics, and economics, argues the world changed forever after the US captured Maduro on January 3 in "Operation Absolute Resolve" - the first time in 100 years a country took out another head of state without consent. He explains this signals the death of the rule-based international order, making gold extremely bullish as countries can no longer trust the dollar system. Woo's key trades for 2026: short oil (December contract heading to high 40s/low 50s) as Trump needs to win the affordability argument for midterms, and he gives 65% odds of a massive $2,000 tariff rebate stimulus package. He admits getting gold completely wrong last year (up 60%) but remains bullish, warns the K-shaped economy consensus is about to be upended if lower oil and stimulus help the bottom 80%, and identifies the AI bubble bursting as the biggest risk - with Microsoft's January 28 earnings as a crucial date.
This episode is brought to you by VanEck.
Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia
Woo, the former head of Global Interest Rates, Foreign Exchange, Emerging Markets Fixed Income Strategy & Economics Research at Bank of America, is known for some of his bold and contrarian calls, including Trump winning the presidential race in 2016 (https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/bofaml-analyst-got-ovation-from-co-workers-the-morning-after-election.html), and that the 2020 US presidential election would be much closer than expected and the results contested (https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/the-dangerous-groupthink-stalking-wall-street-20210909-p58q48).
Links:
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavidWooUnbound
Website: https://www.davidwoounbound.com/
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/Davidwoounbound
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro and welcome David Woo
01:28 Macro picture - don't fight Trump
02:31 Midterm election is the biggest story of 2026
05:17 Affordability argument - Venezuela about oil - not democracy, not drugs
12:45 Tariff rebate? 65% chance of massive fiscal stimulus before midterms
16:10 Don't fight Trump - theme of 2026
16:35 Gold was up 60% - the ultimate Trump trade of 2025
17:15 Short oil is the ultimate Trump trade of 2026
19:03 K-shape economy consensus about to be upended
20:43 What David got wrong on gold last year
26:17 The world is not the same - Venezuela changes everything
31:45 US tech lead over China shrinking from 2-3 years to 6 months
33:54 Knock-on effects: Bearish emerging markets, bullish defense, bullish gold
38:57 OPEC biggest loser - lost Venezuela, may lose Iran
42:04 TACO or FAFO?
44:44 Why does stock market matter to Trump?
49:34 Biggest risk for 2026: Bursting of AI bubble
52:10 Retail buy-the-dip crowd - most powerful force in markets
54:14 Wrap up and where to find David Woo
#324 Henrik Zeberg: Blow Off Top Underway - Real Economy Already Sinking
2026/01/08
Henrik Zeberg, head macro economist at SwissBlock and author of The Monetary House of Cards, warns that despite stock markets hitting all-time highs, the real economy is sinking fast - private job creation has fallen below recessionary levels seen in 2007, and 90% of US consumers are now worse off than going into both the 2008 financial crisis and the 1929 depression. Using his Titanic metaphor, he explains first class passengers (top 10%) are still at the bar while third class is already in the water. Zeberg predicts a blow-off top with the S&P potentially hitting 8,200 before a crash worse than 2008, driven by central bank hubris that will trigger stagflation when the Fed inevitably intervenes. He's long-term bullish on gold and silver but warns of a short-term pullback as the dollar spikes to 120+ on the DXY during the deflationary bust, and explains why there's no easy way out this time - we've exhausted the free lunch of money printing.
This episode is brought to you by VanEck.
Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia
Links:
Swissblock SEM website:https://swissblock.net/products/sem
Twitter/X: https://x.com/swissblock_SEM
X: https://x.com/HenrikZeberg
Substack: https://henrikzeberg.substack.com/
Book: https://buy.stripe.com/aFacN62DQdYFbZt9APaR201
TEDx: https://youtu.be/DAmoawIOMbs?si=Infb0cLi8YPxdX4H
00:00 Intro and welcome Henrik Zeberg
01:22 Macro view, the real economy is about job creation, not financial markets
04:13 90% of consumers worse off than going into 2008 and 1929
05:58 Titanic metaphor: First class denying while third class already in water
06:56 Chart: ADP private job creation declining to recessionary levels
08:26 Illusion of stability: Stock market disconnect from economy
09:07 Stock market doesn't predict recessions - look at unemployment
11:15 Zeberg business cycle model pointing to recession
14:55 Bond market sniffing out problems - yield curve signals
20:02 Central banks and the Fed: The hubris problem
23:02 2020 changed everything - inflation is back as a factor
25:26 Gold and silver starting to show end game signs
26:20 If Fed intervenes with more stimulus, it creates stagflation
28:03 Henrik's views on gold and silver clarified
30:55 Dollar regime coming - DXY could spike
32:12 Long-term bullish gold/silver but short-term pullback expected
35:35 Navigating different regimes as an investor
38:19 Strong dollar implications
39:06 Current regime still risk-on, riding the blow off top
43:29 Why this recession will be worse than 2008
48:21 No easy way out - we're at the end of the Keynesian curve
49:12 Can we get back to sound money? Only through pain
51:41 Under the radar trend: Realization of how bad consumer really is
53:55 AI won't save us short-term - actually reduces jobs needed
54:25 Wrap up: Think for yourself, do your own research
#323 Chris Whalen: A Generational Reset Of Credit & Asset Valuations - Corporate Credit Worsens 2026, Housing Decline 2027-28 & The Cost Of QE
2026/01/03
Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors and author of The Institutional Risk Analyst blog, joins The Julia La Roche Show for "The Wrap with Chris Whalen" for his 2026 outlook.
In this episode, Whalen warns of a market correction comparable to 2008, driven by carnage in private equity where hundreds of companies cannot be sold and sponsors are selling companies to themselves. After a decade-and-a-half Fed liquidity party, he predicts corporate credit will worsen in 2026, setting the stage for a housing market decline in 2027-28. Whalen reveals fraud has become epidemic in housing thanks to AI-altered bank statements, discusses the global power shift as Shanghai now sets gold prices (not Chicago or London), and explains why Powell will likely stay on the Fed board through 2028 to protect the institution - betraying Trump just like every Fed chair before him.
Links:
The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/
https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira794
Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen
Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro and welcome back to The Wrap with Chris Whalen
01:25 2025 retrospective
3:35 Big stories of 2026
05:30 Midterms
08:21 Maxi market correction coming alongside 2008 in textbooks
15:09 Will Powell retire or remain on the board?
16:45 Will we see a more hawkish Fed in 2026?
17:50 Default rates
21:25 What happens with housing in 2026
22:42 Drawing parallels to the Gilded Age
26:29 Gold and silver - another good year ahead
32:41 Viewer question: Annaly mortgage REIT common vs preferred
36:48 What's on the radar next week: Big investment banks piece
38:18 Wrap up and where to find Chris Whalen
#322 Peter Grandich: Most Concerned In 40 Year Career - Gold Heading To $5,000, $50 Trillion Debt Crisis & Why We're Becoming A Banana Republic
2025/12/24
Peter Grandich delivers his most bearish outlook in a 40+ year career, predicting 2026-2027 could be the most challenging years in 50 years due to mounting debt ($38T heading to $50T), political division worse than any time since the Civil War, and a deteriorating middle class hanging by its fingernails. He explains why this was his best five-year period after moving entirely into gold and precious metals in 2021, with price targets of $5,000 for gold and $100 for silver still ahead. He warns we're in the earliest stages of becoming a banana republic as BRICS launches a gold-backed trading unit and de-dollarization accelerates.
This episode is brought to you by VanEck.
Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia
Links:
https://x.com/PeterGrandich
https://petergrandich.com/
https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-FORMER-Wall-Street-Whiz/dp/B096LPRYW6
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro and welcome Peter Grandich
01:17 Macro view - not a lot of positive things to say
09:47 Best year in five years - gold and precious metals trade
13:52 Oil prediction: $50 before $150
15:12 Deteriorating middle class hanging by fingernails
21:41 Most concerned he's ever been in 40+ year career
23:01 Trump's trade war mistakes
28:21 De-dollarization and dollars coming back to US
30:18 Solutions: Return to moral compass and faith
35:48 Wealth preservation vs appreciation for investors
41:31 Passive investing
45:12 The 12 factors of why party like 1929 will bite back
47:58 Biblical wisdom on debt and finances
49:19 Parting thoughts
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Julia asks great questions, I seem to always enjoy the show.
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In a nutshell: Julia brings on amazing guests, gives them the floor to talk and asks insightful questions. Supremely interesting and helpful. And Chri...
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Great show - do not bring Ben Hunt back
Normally Julia has great guests- Ben Hunt was a disaster posing as an intellectual who had trouble finding words. What a waste of time
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Jim is wrong. Tax cut extension will add way more on deficit and therefore rates will stay up
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Was a fan
Until hugh hendry and his cool guy nonsense... duuude: hugh hendry bro! Horrible. Terrible
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