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Ep 187 Trail of Tears pt 1
2026/10/30
In observance of Native American Heritage Month, this episode delivers a sobering, essential look at Oklahoma’s history and how the state came to be known as Native America. Stripping away dry textbook summaries, this episode confronts the harsh realities of the forced removal of indigenous peoples, focusing deeply on the Cherokee Nation's harrowing plight and the systemic political decisions that led to one of our nation's darkest chapters.
Key Topics Covered
The Human Cost of Removal: Moving beyond dates and numbers to examine what it meant to be driven from ancestral lands without warning, leaving behind homes, farms, and centuries of heritage.
The Five Tribes & Beyond: Exploring the forced relocation of the Cherokee, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), Chickasaw, and Seminole Nations—collectively known historically as the "Five Civilized Tribes"—alongside other impacted nations like the Potawatomi, Shawnee, and Delaware.
Sovereignty & Legal Resistance: Tracing the Cherokee Nation's fight through the American legal system, including Cherokee Nation v. Georgia and Worcester v. Georgia, and the Supreme Court decisions that were ultimately defied.
The Indian Removal Act & The Treaty of New Echota: Examining Andrew Jackson's 1830 legislation, the controversial 1835 treaty signed by a minority faction against the wishes of thousands of Cherokee citizens, and its ratification by a single Senate vote.
The Journey West: Detailing General Winfield Scott's military roundup in 1838, the harsh conditions of the detention camps, and the grueling overland and water journeys that resulted in the tragic loss of thousands of lives.
The Trail of Tears was not a natural disaster or an unfortunate accident—it was the direct result of policy, power, and choices made by the U.S. government. This episode lays the groundwork for understanding how the descendants of those who survived shaped—and continue to shape—the future of Oklahoma.
(Note: Part two of this story, featuring first-hand accounts and survivor voices, continues next week!)
Sources:
National Park Services
Library of Congress
Oklahoma Historical Society
Digital History
US Forest Service
Cherokee Phoenix
Ep 186 Henry Lee Johnson
2026/10/23
Ep 186: Henry Lee Johnson
In this episode, Jess dives into the tragic 1980 killing of 15-year-old Henry Lee Johnson in Idabel, Oklahoma, exploring the deep-seated racial tensions of "Little Dixie," the resulting civil unrest, and the systemic failures of the local legal system.
The Catalyst and the Riots:
Examines the night of January 19, 1980, when Johnson was shot outside the whites-only Black Hat Club, sparking massive protests, martial law, the deployment of the National Guard, and the eventual destruction of the club.
The Trial and Legal Injustice:
Details the flawed investigation, the suppression of the shooter's confession, and the controversial 1981 acquittal of Walter Anthony "Tony" DeShazo by an all-white jury.
Echoes in Modern History:
Connects the historical tragedy to McCurtain County's recent history, including the 2023 leaked audio scandal involving local officials discussing racial violence and corruption.
Sources:
Wikipedia - HLJ
Wikipedia - McCurtain County
History Encoded by Diana Butler Bass
The Washington Post
The Oklahoman
UPI.com
Marta Wiggins
GenXpletives
OKCounties.org
Ep 185 Sacred Heart Mission
2026/10/16
Welcome to Episode 185, where Tiff digs into the history, tragedy, and lingering spirits of Oklahoma’s Sacred Heart Mission.
In the late 1800s, Benedictine monks fleeing French secularization laws struck a deal with the Potawatomi Nation to establish a Catholic sanctuary in the heart of Indian Territory. What began on 640 acres quickly became the birthplace of the Catholic Church in Oklahoma—a sprawling complex with a monastery, schools, a college, a model farm, a printing press, and a bustling bakery where nuns baked hundreds of French loaves daily.
However, the history of Sacred Heart Mission is deeply dual-natured. Behind its rapid growth and architectural achievements lay the painful reality of forced Native American assimilation, where children were separated from their families, stripped of their culture, and subjected to harsh punishments. When a catastrophic fire swept through the grounds in January 1901—its fiery glow visible 30 miles away—it marked the beginning of a long decline that eventually left the site a secluded ghost town.
In this episode, we explore the rise and fall of Sacred Heart, its transition into modern-day ruins, and the eerie paranormal encounters that keep investigators and thrill-seekers looking over their shoulders.
Key Discussion Points
The Founding & Expansion (1876–1900): How Father Isidore Robot and Brother Dominic Lambert established the mission, built schools for Native boys and girls, founded Sacred Heart College, and produced the Indian Advocate newspaper right out of the mission bakery.
The Infernal Night of 1901: The devastating dining room fire that consumed the monastery, schools, convent, and church—and the lingering debate over whether lives were lost despite official reports.
The Dark History: The reality of forced cultural assimilation, stories of unmarked graves, severe disciplinary practices, and dark rumors that continue to cloud the mission’s legacy.
The Present-Day Ghost Town: Exploring the remaining structures on Bald Hill—including the two-story bakery, the standing church, log cabins, and the four distinct cemeteries.
Hauntings & Unexplained Phenomena: Reports of phantom French hymns, ghostly apparitions of priests and children, floating lights in the graveyards, a statue said to weep blood, shadow figures in the basement, and EVPs addressing investigators by name.
Listener & Visitor Note: Sacred Heart Mission is now located in the unincorporated area of Konawa, Oklahoma. The site is monitored by local law enforcement and a private caretaker, with strict "No Trespassing" enforcement to prevent vandalism and arson. Official tours are available by appointment only—please respect the historical grounds, religious history, and neighboring cemeteries if you request access.
Research Sources
Wikipedia
Facebook
Oklahoma Historical Society
Oklahoma Haunted Houses
RootsWeb
Gateway to Oklahoma
Visit Shawnee
KOCO Channel 5 OKC
YouTube
Z94
Ep 184 Orcutt Lake
2026/10/09
In this week’s episode, Jess takes a special listener request straight from her own parents to explore one of Tulsa's most beloved historic landmarks. While breaking her usual rule of not covering back-to-back Tulsa stories, she dives deep into the fascinating evolution of Swan Lake—originally known as Orcutt Lake—tracing its journey from Creek Nation allotment land to a roaring 1910s amusement park, and ultimately into an elite midtown neighborhood.
What we cover:
1. The Early Days: From Creek Allotment to Amusement Park
Indigenous Roots: Before it was a public park, the natural spring-fed water feature sat on an 800-acre Muscogee (Creek) Nation allotment belonging to Annie Hodge Orcutt and her husband, Samuel Augustus "Gus" Orcutt.Tulsa's First Playground (1909): Capitalizing on the oil boom, Gus Orcutt expanded the pond into an artificial lake and opened Orcutt Lake Amusement Park.Trolley & Coaster Thrills: The park served as the final turnaround stop for Tulsa's expanding electric streetcar line. By 1911, it featured Tulsa’s very first roller coaster—a 40-foot-high wooden giant built for an astounding $7,600 (nearly $268,000 today)—alongside a natatorium, dance pavilion, open-air movie theater, carousel, and a small zoo.
2. The Shift to Elegance (1917–1930s)
Creating "Swan Lake": As oil wealth pushed residential areas eastward, developer E.J. Brennan bought the land, dismantled the noisy roller coaster, coined the name Swan Lake, and donated the water basin to the City of Tulsa.Architectural Showcase: The surrounding neighborhood transformed into an architectural display of Italian Renaissance villas, Spanish Eclectic homes (including "The Natatorium," built directly over the former swimming pool site), steep-gabled Tudors, and classic 1920s courtyard apartments.
3. Folklore, Rumors, & Local Mysteries
The Dynamite Myth: Debunking the persistent local legend that the lake was formed by an accidental wagon explosion of dynamite (though dynamite was used in 1911 to alter the dam).Tragedies & Mysteries: Examining surrounding historical rumors, including a nearby mid-century neighborhood drowning in a rain drainage stream and modern conservation struggles with abandoned "dump ducks" and trumpet swan health.
4. Swan Lake TodayVisitor Quick Reference
The $2.2M Restoration: Highlighting the major infrastructure overhaul that restored the dormant 1938 WPA stone fountain to full operation while adding underwater aeration and filtration systems.Gus & Annie: Introducing the resident pair of swans living on the lake, permanently named in honor of the original founders, Gus and Annie Orcutt.
Visitor Quick Reference
Location: 1596 Swan Dr, Tulsa, OK 74120
Features: Half-mile walking loop, multi-level stone terraces, restored 1938 WPA fountain, and active waterfowl habitat.
Pro Tip: Located in Midtown Tulsa, making it an easy companion visit to the nearby Philbrook Museum of Art.
Research Sources
Tulsa People
Wikipedia
Local Wiki
GPS My City
OHS
Ep 183 George Hassell
2026/10/02
This week, we delve into the haunting, forgotten history of George Jefferson Hassell—one of the most prolific yet overlooked family annihilators in American true crime. While infamous figures like Lizzie Borden or the Axeman of New Orleans dominate popular lore, Hassell quietly picked off two entire families across California and Texas between 1917 and 1926, ultimately taking the lives of 13 innocent people.
What We Cover in This Episode:
The Concept of Family Annihilation: Defining the psychological phenomenon of familicide and comparing Hassell to well-known modern figures like John List, Chris Watts, and Ronald DeFeo Jr.
Early Criminal Roots & Military Desertion: Hassell’s troubled beginnings in Smithville, TX, his early prison sentence in Huntsville, and his repeating loops of joining and deserting the U.S. Military.
The Whittier "Death House" (1917): How a WWI financial dispute led to the brutal strangulation of his common-law wife, Marie Vogel, and her three young children—whose remains lay hidden under a garage in California for nearly a decade.
The Farwell, Texas Massacre (1926): The horrific week-long slaughter of his second wife, Susan (widow of his late brother Thomas), and all eight of her children in rural Parmer County, Texas.
The Investigation & Unraveling: How an astute sister-in-law in Pittsburgh connected the dots from national newspaper headlines, guiding police to the buried California victims.
Trial & Execution: The lightning-fast 1927 trial in Farwell, Texas, Hassell's total lack of remorse, and his eventual death in "Old Sparky" at Huntsville Prison in 1928.
Key Episode Highlights & Quotes:
"So I had started and Lord-God I would have given anything in the world if I had not made the first lick, but I had started it and I finished it."— George Hassell, on beginning the Farwell family massacre
A Striking Pattern: Exploring author Mitchel P. Roth's classification of Hassell as a "serial mass murderer," examining how he repeated the exact same operational blueprint across both massacres a decade apart.
The Surviving Son: The story of Delbert Laughlin—Hassell's biological son from his first marriage—whose mother fled in 1910 out of fear for their lives, saving them both from Hassell's violent nature.
Legal Aftermath: Why California dropped prosecution and allowed Texas to proceed directly with electrocution, alongside the ultimate probate handling of the Oklahoma farmland tied to the estate.
Victims Honored in This Episode
Marie Vogel, 32
Gerald Vogel, 7
Rita Baker, 2
Anthony Baker, 1
Susan Frances "Susie" Hassell, 40
Alton Hassell, 21
Virgil Hassell, 15
Maudie Hassell, 13
Russell Hassell, 11
David Hassell, 7
Johnnie Hassell, 6
Nannie Martha Hassell, 4
Samuel Hassell, 1
Sources:
Wikipedia
NY Times
Medium
Man with the Killer Smile by Mitchel P Roth
The Bookmark
Eastern New Mexico News
Ep 182 The May Rooms
2026/09/25
Ep 182: The May Rooms
Step back into the high-stakes, wildcatting days of early Tulsa, where oil, money, and vice built a boomtown overnight. This week, Jess dives into the history of The May Rooms, Tulsa’s longest-running and most infamous brothel. Operating on the upper floors of the 1918 Jacobs Building (310 E. First St.), the enterprise survived over four decades of vice raids, Prohibition front-shops, and strict 17-minute time limits—all under the watchful eye of its formidable madam, Pauline Lambert.
We cover the jaw-dropping lore of the 1970s armed robber who complained to Channel 8 news when the brothel called the cops on him, the 87-year-old sting operation that finally brought down the house, and how this secretive second-story labyrinth froze in time until its modern revival in the Blue Dome District. Plus, stick around for the spooks: phantom footsteps, the legend of "Aspirin Annie," and the ghostly encounters Jess experienced firsthand on a Tulsa haunted pub crawl!
So snuggle in! It’s the start of spooky season, and this tale, will leave you ready to go physically (or spectrally) visit some of these iconic locations!
Sources:
Haunted Oklahoma Brothels and Saloons by Brooke Montoya
Tulsa TV Memories
KTUL
Tulsa World
Tulsa World - Pauline Lambert
Newspapers.com
Find A Grave
Ep 181 OK Prison Riots
2026/09/18
Ep 181: Flames, Factions, and the Fall of Oklahoma’s Prison System
Was anyone a fan of the show “Prison Break”? Anyone?
While major, full-scale prison takeovers have dropped sharply since their peak in the 1970s and 80s—thanks to modern architectural containment zones and specialized Tactical Emergency Teams (CERT)—Oklahoma’s history holds some of the most violent and costly uprisings in American history. In Episode 181, Tiff breaks down the macro history of American prison disturbances and traces how a deadly cycle of severe overcrowding, extreme heat, understaffing, and volatile gang dynamics turned Oklahoma's correctional facilities into powder kegs.
From the historic 1973 uprising at the Oklahoma State Penitentiary in McAlester to the chain reaction of medium-security revolts through the 1980s and the modern gang-driven lockdowns of today, this episode explores what happens when a state system reaches its breaking point.
Sources:
Wikipedia
OHS: McAlister
TikTok
The New York Times
The Oklahoman
Ep 180 OK State Fair Murders
2026/09/11
Welcome back, cousins, to Season 5 of your favorite Kooky and Spooky podcast, about your favorite state, Oklahoma! This season, Jess starts us off with a little state fair history…
From deep-fried treats and livestock shows to the roar of the midway, state fairs represent classic autumn nostalgia. But behind the neon lights of the 1987 Oklahoma State Fair lurked a nightmare that would leave two native sisters dead and trigger a decades-long battle for justice against institutional corruption.
In this episode, Jess takes a look back at the history of Oklahoma’s iconic fair traditions before diving into one of the state's most frustrating cold cases: the September 1987 disappearances of Cheryl Genzer (25) and Lisa Pennington (16). After leaving the fairgrounds with two men, the sisters vanished. A month later, their remains were exhumed from a shallow grave in northwest Oklahoma City—both dead from headshots fired by two completely different caliber weapons.
Who did it? Will we ever know? And could new legislation blow this, and many more, cold cases wide open? Listen now!
Sources:
KOCO - NEWS 5
Oklahoma Cold Cases - Lisa Pennington
Oklahoma Cold Cases - Cheryl Genzer
FOX 25 News
Oklahoma State Senate
OHS
The Oklahoman
Ep 179 Lawton Dogman
2026/07/31
🎙️ Ep 179: Lawton Dogman (Season 4 Finale)
📌 Episode Overview
In the Season 4 finale, Tiff dives deep into one of the Sooner State’s most famous and unsettling urban legends: The 1971 Lawton Dogman. What began as a series of strange sightings in Southwestern Oklahoma quickly escalated into city-wide panic, emergency police calls, and hospitalizations.
The episode traces the deep roots of werewolf lore—from ancient Greek writings and medieval European witch trials to Turkic shamanic traditions—before dissecting Oklahoma's own bizarre history of upright canine encounters. Tiff also explores broader state hotspots (including the Kiamichi Mountains, Lake Thunderbird, and the Red River Valley) and contrast modern "cryptid" hunters with traditional Indigenous perspectives on shapeshifters, dark medicine, and the legend of Deer Woman.
🏷️ Episode Credits
Written & Produced by: Jess Burnett & Tiff Murray
Editing: Jess Burnett
Social Media: Tiff Murray
Theme Music: "It Comes to This" by Moments
Cover Art: Jess Burnett & Tiff Murray
Catch up on past episodes now! "Curious Cousin OK" will return with Season 5 this September.
Sources:
Z94
Paranormal World Wiki
The Oklahoman
Veil of Fear on TikTok
Strange State: Mysteries and Legends of Oklahoma
Haunted Oklahoma by Jeff Provine
Wikipedia
2. The 1971 Lawton Panic3. Oklahoma Cryptid Hotspots4. Cryptids vs. Indigenous Traditions
Ep 178 Boise City Bombing
2026/07/24
Ep 178: The Bombing of Boise City
In July 1943, World War II was raging across the globe, patriotic fervor was at an all-time high, and Americans were doing everything they could to support the war effort. But for the small, sleepy agricultural town of Boise City, Oklahoma, the war hit a little too close to home—literally.
In this episode, Jess explores the bizarre, true story of how a rogue U.S. Army Air Corps B-17 bomber got hopelessly lost during a nighttime training run, mistook the lights of the Cimarron County Courthouse for its practice target, and launched a 30-minute aerial blitz on an unsuspecting American town. From a heroic power plant operator who saved the day by killing the lights, to a missing bomb hidden in a barn for over 70 years, to the flight crew’s journey from catastrophic blunder to decorated wartime heroes, this is one of the most unbelievable chapters in Oklahoma history…and certainly doesn’t skimp on the kooky and spooky!
Sources:
Cimarron Heritage Center
Time Magazine
The Saturday Evening Post
All That's Interesting
OHS
Boise City OK.org
Ep 177 Daniel Furr pt 2
2026/07/17
Episode 177: Daniel Furr (Part 2) — The Web of Silence
How far would you go to find the truth when the system shuts its doors?
In Part 1, Tiff traced the heartbreaking disappearance of 15-year-old Daniel Lee Furr from Ada, Oklahoma, in the summer of 1995, and the chaotic, deeply flawed recovery of a body at an abandoned brick quarry.
Now, in Part 2, Tiff dives headfirst into the terrifying aftermath. As a grieving mother is met with a wall of institutional silence and bureaucratic excuses, a chilling web of rumors begins to spread among the local youth—whispering of a brutal ambush, dark secrets, and suspects shielded by local ties.
We explore the shocking mismanagement of vital physical evidence, a stunning discovery hidden away in a courthouse basement, and a sister’s relentless, decades-long fight to step in where the law failed. What happens when the primary suspect takes his secrets to the grave? And can modern forensic technology finally bring answers to a family that has spent over thirty years searching for justice?
Listener discretion is advised, as this episode contains discussions of violence and sensitive themes.
Have information regarding the death of Daniel Lee Furr?
Please contact the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI) at 1-800-522-8017. There remains a $10,000 reward for information leading to an arrest.
Sources:
Sins of the South: Three Oklahoma Cold Cases by Raven Rollins
Allegedly: True Crime from Pontotoc County, Oklahoma
Sirens: Southern True Crime Podcast
OSBI Cold Case Files
FOX23 News Tulsa
The Ada News
Coffee and Cases Podcast
Ep 176 Daniel Furr pt 1
2026/07/10
Episode 176: Daniel Furr (Part 1)
The mid-1990s were a chaotic, historic era defined by massive headlines—from the tragedy of the OJ Simpson trial and the shock of the Oklahoma City bombing to the pop-culture frenzy of Windows 95 and the return of Michael Jordan. But in the small town of Ada, Oklahoma, a completely different, deeply convoluted nightmare was unfolding for one local family.
In this episode, Tiff opens the file on the heartbreaking and baffling unsolved murder of 15-year-old Daniel Lee Furr. Daniel was a curious, animal-loving teenager known for his warmth and independent spirit, but his final year took a dark turn. After getting mixed up with a dangerous crowd and initiated into a local gang, Daniel found himself trapped in a world of fear, threats, and sudden disappearances.
On July 11, 1995, Daniel's own Boy Scout troop made a gruesome discovery at the bottom of an abandoned, overgrown rock quarry outside of town: a severely decomposed body lying beneath their missing troop flag. What followed was a masterclass in bureaucratic confusion. From a crime scene littered with bizarre clues to forensic reports riddled with staggering medical contradictions—including mismatched hair lengths, wildly conflicting height and weight estimates, and a highly chaotic dental identification—a haunting question has kept his family fighting for decades: Was it actually Daniel in that pit?
Join us as we scratch the surface of a case where local rumors intersect with systemic failure. As your favorite cousins always say, no cold case is truly that cold, and it only takes one small piece of information to blow a case wide open.
Special Thanks & Resources: This episode heavily features research and insights from Raven Rollins. For a deeper dive into Daniel's story, we highly recommend checking out her work:
Listen: The Sirens: Southern True Crime Podcast for in-depth interviews with Daniel’s mother, Gale, and sister, Chelsea.
Read: Sins of the South: Three Oklahoma Cold Cases and Allegedly: True Crime from Pontotoc County, Oklahoma by Raven Rollins (available on Amazon).
Community: Follow the Justice for Daniel Furr page on Facebook to support the family's ongoing fight for answers.
Case Information: If you have any information regarding the disappearance and death of Daniel Lee Furr, please contact the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI) at 1-800-522-8017, or submit a tip via the OSBI Cold Case Files. No detail is too small.
Enjoyed the episode? Drop us a review, hit subscribe, and share this episode to help keep Daniel's memory alive and push for the justice he deserves. Stay tuned for Part 2!
Sources:
Sins of the South: Three Oklahoma Cold Cases by Raven Rollins
Allegedly: True Crime from Pontotoc County, Oklahoma
Sirens: Southern True Crime Podcast
OSBI Cold Case Files
FOX23 News Tulsa
Ep 175 Medicine Park
2026/07/03
Ep 175: Medicine Park
Pack your bags and grab your sage, because this week we are heading to Oklahoma’s very first planned resort town: Medicine Park. Nestled in the foothills of the Wichita Mountains, this unique oasis was built entirely from the ground up—literally—using the area’s distinct, naturally polished granite cobblestones. But beneath its picturesque, therapeutic exterior lies a wild history of Roaring Twenties vice, Depression-era gangsters, and a horde of restless spirits that never checked out. Join Jess as she describes:
🏔️ The Rise, Fall, and Renaissance of a Cobblestone Oasis
🥩 The Old Plantation Restaurant: Steaks with a Side of Vice
👻 The Spooks: Medicine Park’s Most Active Hauntings
Turn the lights down, because the paranormal activity in Medicine Park runs the full gamut. As a historic epicenter for transient characters and illicit behavior, The Old Plantation Restaurant is now a playground for a "horde of spirits."Jess dives deep into the most frequent ghostly encounters!
Plus, we look at the surrounding town's anomalies, from the self-moving items at the Branded Bear Shop to the Johnny Cash lookalike haunting the Blue-Eyed Coyote Guest House.
So load up! The cold creek water will not be the only thing giving you the chills!!
Sources:
Haunted Oklahoma by Jeff Provine
TravelOK
KSWO News
The 405 Magazine
Z94.com
US Army
The Old Plantation Restaurant
Medicine Park
OHS
Ep 174 Keystone Lake
2026/06/26
Ep 174: Keystone Lake — The Towns Beneath the Waves
What if the place you called home was chosen to be wiped off the map?
In Episode 174, Tiff dives deep into the murky waters of Keystone Lake, Oklahoma’s second-largest reservoir, to uncover a rich history of American exploration, Native American heritage, and 20th-century engineering that forever rewrote the local geography. Before it was a massive 23,000-acre playground for boaters, this rugged valley was known as the "Triangle Country"—a wilderness walked by the likes of Washington Irving and Thomas Nuttall.
But in the late 1950s, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers arrived with a $123 million plan to tame the Arkansas and Cimarron rivers. The cost of progress? The total submersion of entire communities.
We explore the fascinating and heartbreaking stories of Oklahoma's "drowned towns":
Keystone: The bustling railroad hub built at the "key" river confluence, now sitting completely underwater just north of the dam.
Mannford & Prue: Two communities that refused to die, banding together to meticulously rebuild entirely new towns on higher ground.
Appalachia: A settlement completely wiped off the map, leaving only the sandy shores of Appalachia Bay as its monument.
Cleveland: The Land Run town saved by an existential engineering marvel—a massive levee system that keeps the lake at bay just feet from residents' doorsteps.
Finally, Tiff looks into the "Kooky and Spooky" side of Keystone Lake. From divers reporting unsettling, shadowy shapes navigating the underwater ruins, to local legends of a witch's smoldering chimney and the phantom cries of a baby near the old bridges—this episode balances heavy history with local folklore. Plus, Tiff wraps up with a look at other Oklahoma lakes sitting atop ghost towns and how historic droughts are bringing these lost main streets back to the surface.
Sources:
US Army Corps of Engineers
The TCC Connection
Wikipedia
Tulsa People
The Oklahoman
National Endowment for the Humanities
Ep 173 Elohim City pt 3
2026/06/19
Ep 173: Elohim City Pt 3
⚠️ WARNING: If you haven’t listened to Parts 1 and 2 yet, stop right here, go back, and binge those first—or prepare to be utterly confused!
In Jess’ final installment on Oklahoma’s most infamous extremist compound, she is tying up all the loose ends and answering the burning questions that left our jaws on the floor last week.
Last week, Tiff asked a fantastic question: Do the residents of Elohim City actually vote in mainstream U.S. elections? The answer lies in a wild, anti-government theology that completely isolates them from modern civic life—though they aren't above using a capitalism loophole to fund their compound.
Then, Jess dives straight into the explosive aftermath of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing:
The Citizen-Driven Grand Jury: Discover how a rare loophole in the Oklahoma Constitution forced a massive, independent investigation that put the FBI's "Lone Wolf" theory to the ultimate test.
The "John Doe No. 2" Mystery: Who was the phantom square-jawed man seen with Timothy McVeigh? We look at the mind-bending psychological theory the government used to erase him from the case, and why the eyewitnesses refused to back down.
Undercover Informant CI-183: Meet Carol Howe, a wealthy debutante turned ATF spy who successfully infiltrated Elohim City and explicitly warned handlers about a plot to bomb federal buildings on April 19th—weeks before the tragedy. Why did the government ignore her, and why did they try to lock her up afterward?
Finally, we look at Elohim City today. From its transition to a council of elders to swapping its 1970s aesthetic for smartphones, Wi-Fi, and a massive dome church, we look at how this compound managed to survive into the modern era by rebranding from armed militants to quiet "survivalists."
🎧Grab your headphones—the finale is here.🎬
Sources:
Wikipedia
Flatlandkc.org
Center for Public Secrets
SPLC
Los Angels Times
Today In Fort Smith
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Boarsden 2026/09/30
Love it!
I am from Oklahoma and just found you! Listening to the three part episode about Elohim City right now!
GayleBob03 2026/02/07
Great podcast!
I enjoy your podcast a lot! I have a suggestion for you as well. Elohim City. I don’t want to give a lot of the information away, but I’ve listened t...
Runnermom78! 2023/03/31
Great for the most part
I really like this podcast and I really like the stories in this podcast. The thing that I don’t care for is all the extra talking. When one of them s...
emschep 2022/10/23
So fun!
Listening to Jess and Tiff tell stories to each other is amazing. Great stories, I look forward to each episode!
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