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2026/10/23
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A podcast in which a guy with “some college” and a day job asks experts questions about biblical studies.

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Anxious About Empire with Wes Avram
2026/10/23
The conversation explores the implications of the U.S. national security strategy, particularly the 2002 document, and its impact on perceptions of terrorism and state actions. The discussion also delves into the moral responsibilities of Christians in relation to these policies and the broader implications for society. The conversation explores the complexities of American foreign policy, the interplay of power and principles in governance, and the evolving nature of Christianity in America, particularly in relation to nationalism and community engagement. The conversation explores the challenges faced by mainline churches in the context of cultural shifts, particularly regarding race and sexuality, and the impact of consumerism on faith communities. It emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of suffering and community, as well as a return to a theology of the cross to navigate contemporary issues. Takeaways Critique of state actionsMoral implications for Christians Competing impulses in foreign policyEvolving nature of American Christianity Cultural shifts challenge mainline churchesConsumerism impacts faith communities Chapters 00:00 Defining Terrorism and State Actions08:05 The Evolution of National Security Strategy11:17 The Genesis of 'Anxious About Empire'16:07 Reflections on 9/11 and Military Experience19:29 Neoconservatism and Its Implications27:56 The Complexity of Terrorism Definitions35:48 Moral Responsibility and the Church's Role40:30 Competing Impulses in Foreign Policy43:03 Reflections on Military Service and Moral Injury44:55 The Constitution: More Than a Document49:01 The Role of Citizenship and National Service52:30 Interpreting Texts: The Constitution and the Bible56:45 The Nature of Politics and Power01:00:10 Christianity's Response to Nationalism01:06:20 The Future of the Church and New Expressions of Faith01:17:58 Cultural Reckoning in the Church01:19:54 The Role of Suffering in Faith01:22:02 Consumerism and the Church's Identity01:30:56 Navigating Technology and Community01:36:24 Rediscovering Principles in Faith
Nonlinear Literary Dependence between Ezekiel and H? with Seth Johnson
2026/10/16
The conversation explores the nonlinear literary dependence between the biblical texts of Ezekiel and the Holiness Code (H), discussing the complexities of their interrelationship and the implications for biblical scholarship. Seth Johnson shares insights from his research, emphasizing the need for a nuanced understanding of the influences between these texts and the broader context of biblical studies. The conversation delves into the complexities of religious texts, particularly the Pentateuch, and the documentary hypothesis, exploring how these texts were formed and their implications for understanding religious traditions. The discussion also touches on the nature of constitutional texts and their interpretations, emphasizing the importance of context and community in understanding both religious and legal documents. Takeaways Nonlinear influence between textsImportance of scholarly debate Documentary hypothesis insightsImportance of context in texts Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest03:20 Seth Johnson's Academic Background09:54 Understanding the Holiness Code15:00 Debate on Literary Dependence19:58 The Documentary Hypothesis Explained24:09 Engaging with Biblical Texts27:46 The Complexity of Biblical Scholarship34:01 Concluding Thoughts on Biblical Interpretation36:56 Exploring the Documentary Hypothesis41:16 The Nature of Religious Texts45:12 Engaging with Critical Feedback50:06 Recommended Readings and Resources01:07:14 The Role of Community in Interpretation
The Letter to Titus and Apostolic Succession in Crete with Michael Scott Robertson
2026/10/09
The conversation delves into the contested authority of the Pastoral Epistles, particularly the Letter to Titus, and its relevance to apostolic succession in the early church. The guest, Michael Scott Robertson, provides insights into the historical context and significance of these topics, shedding light on the absence of citations to the Letter to Titus in certain correspondences. The conversation delves into the controversy surrounding Marcion and his rejection of the pastoral epistles, exploring the reasons behind this rejection and the significance of Marcion's influence on biblical texts. It also discusses the debate on Marcion's school of thought and its impact on New Testament studies. Takeaways Contested authority of the Pastoral EpistlesSignificance of apostolic succession in the early church Marcion's rejection of the pastoral epistles raises questions about the authorship and authority of these texts.The influence of Marcion and his school of thought on biblical texts is a subject of ongoing debate and scholarly discussion. Chapters 00:00 Contested Authority of Pastoral Epistles03:32 Introduction and Background of the Guest07:20 Exploring the Letter to Titus and Apostolic Succession11:04 Importance of Apostolic Succession in the Early Church16:49 Dionysius of Corinth and Apostolic Succession21:10 Correspondence Between Dionysius and Pinatus28:15 Absence of Citations to the Letter to Titus32:37 The Marcion Controversy36:01 Marcion's Significance
The Transformation of Moses with Laura Hare
2026/10/02
The conversation delves into the obscure passage in Exodus, uncovering its significance and exploring the transformation of Moses through parallel narratives. The discussion highlights the importance of Moses' identity, the moment of danger, and the parallels between different passages in Exodus. The guest shares the inspiration behind her article and the role of dreams in her scholarly work. The conversation delves into the transformation of Moses, his life and age, the function and meaning of the text, the significance of the name 'Bridegroom of Blood,' and the guest's personal reading preferences. It also explores the concept of apostolic succession in Crete. Takeaways Obscure passages in biblical texts can hold significant meaning and require careful exploration.Moses' transformation involves a complex journey of identity, danger, and rebirth.Parallel narratives in biblical texts offer insights into the character development and thematic elements of the story. Moses' transformation and growthThe significance of apostolic succession in Crete Chapters 00:00 Uncovering the Obscure Passage02:46 The Transformation of Moses06:04 Moses' Identity and Circumcision09:12 The Moment of Danger and Transformation18:10 Parallels and Mirroring in Exodus21:00 The Inspiration Behind the Article26:31 Moses' Transformation28:21 Moses' Life and Age30:48 The Function and Meaning of Text37:48 The Name Bridegroom of Blood42:55 Personal Reading Preferences48:29 Apostolic Succession in Crete
The Allegory of the Cross in Galatians with Samuel Johnson
2026/09/25
The conversation delves into the refiguring of allegory and its application in understanding the historicity of crucifixion, inner meanings, and spiritual interpretation. It explores the use of allegory in literature and its relevance to early Christianity, as well as the concepts of stoic monism and Aristotelian hylomorphism in relation to allegory. The discussion also addresses the application of allegory in early Christian readings and the validation of impoverished or persecuted circumstances through allegorical interpretation. The conversation explores the use of allegory and symbolism in Paul's writings, emphasizing the deeper meanings and connections within biblical narratives. It also highlights the themes of transformation, identity, and sacrifice, particularly in relation to the concept of circumcision and its significance in biblical narratives. The discussion provides insights into the relevance of these themes in both biblical and contemporary contexts. Takeaways Refiguring AllegoryAllegory in Antiquity Allegory and Symbolism: The conversation delves into the use of allegory and symbolism in Paul's writings, exploring the deeper meanings and connections within biblical narratives.Transformation and Identity: The discussion highlights the themes of transformation, identity, and sacrifice, particularly in relation to the concept of circumcision and its significance in biblical narratives. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast02:15 Introduction to Samuel Johnson03:17 Interest in Early Christianity04:26 The Allegorical Reading of the Crucifixion06:09 The Use of Allegory in Literature07:27 The Historicity of Crucifixion10:42 Allegory and Inner Meanings18:01 Stoic Monism and Aristotelian Hylomorphism21:40 Inner Meanings and Spiritual Interpretation23:10 The Application of Allegory31:23 Allegory and Symbolism in Paul's Writings35:23 Understanding Symbolism and Allegory in 21st Century Context38:20 The Significance of Transformation and Identity in Biblical Narratives
Apocalypticism as a Worldview in Ancient Judaism with John J Collins
2026/09/18
The conversation explores the concept of apocalypticism as a worldview in ancient Judaism, delving into its historical, religious, and literary significance. John J. Collins provides insights into the development of apocalypticism, its relationship with prophecy, and its impact on ancient Jewish and Christian texts. The conversation delves into the discovery of ancient texts, the development of Judaism, and the concept of apocalypticism. It explores the influence of Christian and Jewish literature, the evolution of Jewish tradition, and the implications of apocalyptic beliefs. The discussion also touches on the US Constitution and the parallels between biblical interpretation and constitutional originalism. Takeaways Apocalypticism as a heightened form of religionThe distinction between genre and worldview in apocalyptic literature Ancient texts and their impact on the understanding of JudaismThe evolution of Jewish tradition and the concept of apocalypticism Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Apocalypticism as a Worldview02:13 John J. Collins' Background and Introduction to Apocalypticism06:03 The Rise of Apocalypticism and Early Studies09:27 Comparison of Prophetic and Apocalyptic Literature15:08 The Vision of the Statue and its Precursors19:24 Genre vs. Worldview in Apocalyptic Literature22:26 The Sense of an Ending and Human Psychology28:22 Complex Nature of Resurrection in Apocalyptic Texts31:50 Apocalyptic Elements in Ancient Jewish and Christian Texts43:33 Evolution of Judaism and Apocalypticism44:51 Development of Jewish Tradition47:32 Apocalypticism and the US Constitution
Archaeology, Jesus, and the Gospel of John with Paul N Anderson
2026/09/11
The conversation delves into the intersection of historical Jesus, biblical studies, and archaeology, with a focus on the Gospel of John. It explores the distinction between historical and theological content, the understanding of history, historiography, and historicity, and the motivation behind archaeology in relation to biblical proof. The conversation methodically explores the composition and sources of the Gospel of John, comparing it to the synoptic gospels and examining the interfluentiality of gospel traditions. It delves into the rejection of the Galilean prophet, the quest for the historical Jesus, and the corrective nature of the Johannine tradition in relation to Mark's gospel. The conversation delves into the finalization of John's material, overlooked clues to John's authorship, the absence of the beloved disciple's name, the significance of the unnamed appellation reference to the mother of Jesus, pushback against rising institutionalism, the delay of the Parousia and apostolic disappointment, interpretation of Jesus' words on death, the significance of the Gospel of John, dialectical thinking, and the crisis of mortality in apocalyptic literature. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Conversation03:15 The Book and Its Contributors06:20 The Story Behind the Project08:11 Historical Content vs. Theological Content18:02 The Distinction Between Theology and History20:29 Understanding History, Historiography, and Historicity26:56 Archaeology and Biblical Proof27:54 Exploring the Baptismal Sites29:00 Travel and Ministry of Jesus in Judea29:21 Geographical Locations in Relation to Jesus's Ministry30:27 Sites in Jerusalem and the Gospel of Mark31:05 Composition and Sources of the Gospel of John31:53 Mark Goodacre's View and Circularity in Gospel Composition32:33 Comparative Analysis of Gospel Narratives and Chronology33:29 John's Composition and Historical Tradition34:17 John's Composition and Theological Content35:18 The Elder John and Gospel Composition36:30 The Gospel of John's Composition and Additions37:23 The Gospel of John's Composition and Chronology38:36 The Gospel of John's Composition and Miracles39:29 Interfluentiality of Gospel Traditions40:34 Approach to Understanding Gospel Traditions41:26 The Gospel of John's Christological Confession42:09 The Gospel of John's Chronology and Corrective to Mark43:30 Second Century Witnesses and Gospel Composition44:34 The Elder's Critique of Mark's Gospel Composition45:33 The Elder's Critique of Mark's Gospel Composition Continued48:30 Luke's Use of John's Tradition and Gospel Composition51:19 Conjectures and the Quest for the Historical Jesus52:15 The Finalization of John's Material53:00 Overlooked First Century Clues to John's Authorship54:25 The Beloved Disciple and the Gospel of John55:15 The Mother of Jesus in the Gospel of John56:39 Pushback Against Rising Institutionalism57:58 The Delay of the Parousia and Apostolic Disappointment59:23 Interpretation of Jesus' Words on Death01:00:00 The Significance of the Gospel of John01:03:11 Dialectical Thinking and the Gospel of John01:17:58 The Crisis of Mortality and Apocalyptic Literature
Soldiers, Psalms, Bibles and Bombs with Brandon Hurlbert
2026/09/04
The conversation explores the use of biblical texts, particularly Psalms, in the context of war and military service. It delves into the various ways in which soldiers and chaplains engage with these texts, from using them as talismans and protective objects to processing grief and trauma through their words. The conversation also touches on the complexity of faith, moral injury, and the ethical implications of using scripture in the context of war. The conversation delves into the use of biblical texts and psalms in the context of war, exploring the inclusion of specific psalms in devotional materials provided to soldiers. It also discusses the problematic use of biblical references on military equipment and the ethical implications of such practices. The conversation transitions into a reflection on the enduring value of biblical texts in war and the impact of war on the interpretation of these texts. It concludes with a discussion on the use of biblical texts to shape identity and the importance of reading the text in its fullness. Takeaways Biblical texts, especially Psalms, are used in diverse ways by soldiers and chaplains in the context of war.The use of scripture in the military raises complex ethical and moral questions, including the impact on faith, the processing of trauma, and the justification of war.The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the diverse ways in which individuals engage with scripture in times of conflict and the implications of such engagement. Psalms for ProtectionEthical Implications of Biblical References on Military Equipment Chapters 00:00 The Use of Psalms in the Military23:22 Processing Grief and Trauma Through Scripture41:14 Ethical Implications of Using Scripture in War43:24 The Use of Psalms in War46:29 Ethical Implications of Biblical References on Military Equipment49:40 Enduring Value of Biblical Texts in War52:06 Impact of War on Interpretation of Biblical Texts55:00 Shaping Identity through Biblical Texts
The Afterlives of Saint Dymphna with Jessica Coblentz
2026/08/28
The conversation explores the intersection of disability theology, mental health, and the communion of saints. It delves into the experiences of saints with psychiatric disabilities, the relationship between psychiatric disability and the communion of saints, and the destigmatization of mental illness within religious contexts. The conversation explores the theological and practical implications of psychiatric disabilities, the communion of saints, and the role of religious practice in addressing psychiatric disabilities. It delves into the experiences of individuals with psychiatric disabilities and the theological questions and challenges that arise from these experiences. The discussion also highlights the importance of popular religion and the communal dimensions of religious practices in addressing psychiatric pain and disability. Takeaways Psychiatric disability and the communion of saintsThe destigmatization of mental illness within religious contexts Psychiatric disabilities are inherently painful and are forms of suffering that raise theological questions and challenges.The communal dimensions of religious practices and the role of popular religion are important in addressing psychiatric pain and disability. Chapters 00:00 Principled Living and Disability Theology14:36 Saint Dymphna and the Communion of Saints19:34 Healing, Restoration, and Communion31:02 Saint Teresa of Calcutta and Kindred Disabled47:13 The Role of Theology and Religious Practice in Addressing Psychiatric Disabilities57:23 The Importance of Popular Religion and Communal Dimensions
The Concept of the Cosmic Sanctuary with Jerome Creach
2026/08/21
The conversation explores the concept of God's omnipresence in the Hebrew Bible and its representation as a cosmic sanctuary. It delves into the idea of the world as a temple, the significance of the Psalms, and the ancient understanding of creation as a temple. The conversation explores the connection between the creation narrative in the Bible and the concept of the temple, as reflected in Psalm 104. It delves into the idea of God's presence in the temple and throughout creation, highlighting the nuanced understanding of sacred space and divine presence. The discussion also touches on the significance of birds and trees in the temple imagery, as well as the implications for environmental stewardship. Takeaways Omnipresence as a concept in the Hebrew BibleThe world as a temple and the significance of the Psalms Creation narrative and temple imagery are interconnected in the BibleNuanced understanding of sacred space and divine presenceSignificance of birds and trees in temple imageryImplications for environmental stewardship Chapters 00:00 God's Omnipresence in the Hebrew Bible02:46 The World as a Temple31:40 Creation and the Temple37:22 God's Presence and Sacred Space45:00 Birds, Trees, and Environmental Stewardship01:01:35 Psychiatric Disabilities and the Communion of Saints
Always Two There Are? with James Wykes
2026/08/14
The conversation delves into the significance of Behemoth and Leviathan as one creature, as well as the importance of the Septuagint translation of the Book of Job. It also explores James Wykes' background and academic pursuits, along with an in-depth discussion on the structure of the Book of Job. The conversation delves into the unique nature of the Septuagint translation, the interpretation of Behemoth and Leviathan, the fluidity of ancient translation, the significance of biblical animals and traditions, leisure reading and hobbies, and the concept of the cosmic sanctuary. Takeaways Behemoth and Leviathan as one creatureThe significance of the Septuagint translation Septuagint as a Unique TranslationFluidity of Ancient TranslationInterpretation of Behemoth and Leviathan Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Behemoth and Leviathan03:10 James Wykes' Background and Academic Pursuits06:23 The Structure of the Book of Job11:34 The Septuagint Translation of Job20:38 The Septuagint Translation22:15 Behemoth and Leviathan23:22 Ancient Views of Translation50:03 Biblical Animals and Traditions56:17 Leisure Reading and Hobbies01:01:17 The Cosmic Sanctuary
Legal Thinking and Notions of the Self with Phillip Lasater
2026/08/07
The conversation explores the relationship between ancient legal traditions and the concept of the self, emphasizing the importance of understanding law as an intellectual tradition. It delves into the Covenant Code and its significance, highlighting the dynamic and lively nature of legal texts. The conversation explores the perception of law in the Hebrew Bible and its interpretation in Christian theology. It delves into the distinction between law and grace, the philosophical nature of law, and the influence of legal anthropology on biblical studies. Takeaways Ancient legal texts are not dry or uninteresting but are dynamic and conceptually rich.Understanding law as an intellectual tradition enriches the reading and interpretation of legal texts. Law and grace are often perceived as distinct concepts in Christian theology.The study of legal anthropology can provide valuable insights into the interpretation of Hebrew Bible texts. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the Conversation01:51 The Self and Ancient Texts02:48 The Significance of Journal Articles03:20 Introduction to Philip Lassiter07:18 The Connection Between Law and Self10:09 Ancient Legal Traditions and Divine Revelation12:24 The Authority of Law and the King16:43 The Purpose of Ancient Laws20:48 The Role of Legal Anthropology in Biblical Studies23:11 Approaches to Understanding Pentateuchal Law26:29 Enriching the Reading of Legal Texts28:29 Perception of Law in Christian Theology29:44 The Philosophical Nature of Law36:08 Influence of Legal Anthropology on Biblical Studies
Healing Affluenza & Plutocracy with Ched Myers
2026/07/31
The conversation delves into the power of old stories and their ability to save us from illness and death. It also explores the underemphasis of resurrection in churches and its connection to the prophetic tradition. The Emmaus Road story is discussed in detail, highlighting its significance in understanding the deeper meaning of resurrection and prophetic vocation. The conversation delves into the reinterpretation of the wounds of the risen Jesus, challenging the traditional understanding and highlighting the disnification of the risen Jesus. It also explores the connection between law and self, shedding light on the historical and philosophical perspectives on this relationship. Takeaways Old stories have the power to save us from illness and deathResurrection is underemphasized in churches and often handled with timidity or swagger Reinterpreting the wounds of the risen JesusThe disnification of the risen Jesus Chapters 00:00 The Power of Old Stories02:06 The Emmaus Road Story22:12 The Connection Between Resurrection and Prophetic Tradition31:33 Reinterpreting the Wounds of the Risen Jesus36:46 The Disnification of the Risen Jesus01:06:07 The Connection Between Law and Self
Time to be Saved? with Aaron Brian Davis
2026/07/24
The conversation delves into the concept of purgatory, exploring its theological and philosophical underpinnings, as well as the differences between the Roman Catholic and Protestant views of purgatory. It also examines the impact of the Reformation on the concept of purgatory and discusses biblical and theological perspectives on the topic. The conversation delves into the theological implications of limbo and purgatory, exploring the concept of limbo as an antechamber to heaven and the idea of purgatory as a place of purification. It also discusses the role of time dilation in pop culture and its potential theological significance. The conversation delves into theological themes in literature and art, exploring the connection between resurrection and prophetic vocation. It then discusses psychological time and sanctification, followed by an exploration of analytic theology and everyday asceticism. The conversation concludes with a focus on disability theology and the importance of prophetic vocation in understanding the connection between life unending and prophecy. Takeaways Purgatory as a conceptDifferences between Roman Catholic and Protestant views of purgatory Concept of LimboTheological implications of time dilation in pop culture The connection between resurrection and prophetic vocation is essential and cannot be pulled apart.The portrayal of Jesus in art and tradition has often been glorified and romanticized, leading to a disnified image of the resurrected Jesus. Chapters 00:00 Understanding Purgatory20:30 Reformation and Purgatory24:29 Biblical and Theological Perspectives25:27 Theological Implications of Limbo and Purgatory30:19 Time Dilation in Pop Culture53:25 Theological Themes in Literature and Art56:03 Psychological Time and Sanctification59:19 Analytic Theology and Everyday Asceticism01:02:03 Disability Theology and Prophetic Vocation
Rerelease of Lilith: A Novel with Nikki Marmery
2026/07/19
The conversation delves into the myth of Lilith, Nikki Marmery's writing journey, and the reimagining of biblical narratives. It explores the origin of Lilith in mythology, Marmery's transition from journalism to fiction writing, and the erasure of women in biblical texts. The conversation delves into the story of Mary Magdalene, the personal journey of writing, exploration of ancient mythologies and religions, the feminine divine and terrestrial religion, the power and representation of women in ancient texts, and the naming of unnamed characters. The conversation delves into the exploration of ancient texts, the portrayal of mythological characters and biblical stories, the significance of Lilith, Asherah, and ancient religion, the retelling of ancient myths, and the history of myths and mythological characters. It also touches on the enjoyment of history, the preference for non-fiction and audiobooks, and the love for Kurt Vonnegut's work. Takeaways Lilith's myth spans different cultures and has evolved over time.Nikki Marmery's journey from journalism to fiction writing is influenced by global financial crises and historical research.The reimagining of biblical narratives sheds light on the erasure of women and the importance of the Divine Mother in Israelite religion. Exploration of ancient mythologies and religionsThe power and representation of women in ancient texts The influence of ancient texts on character namesThe portrayal of angels in ancient textsThe significance of curse bowls in ancient culturesThe retelling and recasting of mythsThe enjoyment of history and mythologyChapters 00:00 The Myth of Lilith06:27 Nikki Marmery's Journey12:51 Reimagining Biblical Narratives20:30 Unveiling the Story of Mary Magdalene27:25 Exploring Ancient Mythologies and Religions36:13 The Power and Representation of Women in Ancient Texts43:37 Mythological Characters and Biblical Stories53:52 Reading and Enjoying History

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