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This podcast has
72 episodes
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Date created
2023/03/20
Latest episode
2026/09/30
Average duration
30 min.
Release period
18 days
Description
We’d like to introduce you to a new podcast. It’s called Different. But why different? You know how when you’re wearing sunglasses it puts a tint on everything? Or if you wear glasses you see some things in focus and others out of focus? Well, we all have lenses on the inside of our head too. And they tint, colour and shape everything we see, think and understand. So, on this podcast Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe are going to dive headlong into just that as they discover a new ‘meaning making’ story and embrace a fresh way of thinking about life, the universe and everything in-between. They will talk about getting to a place where we see our lives as part of something bigger than our day-to-day experience - becoming a part of an unfolding story. Finding joy in ordinary moments, facing failure and struggle and discovering liberation and purpose. They’ll also discuss experiencing life as a gift and learning how to live on purpose. They’ll be peering into dark nights of the soul and finding hope. And simply learning how we are here to walk each home. We hope you enjoy these conversations – discovering a new story and embracing new thinking. This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Podcast episodes
Check latest episodes from Different with Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe podcast
What does it mean?
2026/09/30
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about what on earth being Christ-centered means, as an organization and at an individual level. They explore the misconception that Jesus was Christian and dive deeply into the way of life all humanity is invited to live, loving God and loving others as we love ourselves.
They talk about what a Christ-centered movement looks like and how leadership should show up built on this way, rejecting hierarchical power and choosing servanthood. This episode undoes a whole heap of misunderstandings.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Reclaiming Kindness
2026/08/26
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about reclaiming kindness. They discuss the impact of choosing kindness over hate, and the life-changing power it has on health and well-being.
They celebrate the sheer enormity of kindness and generosity in the world. Despite the media causing us to think kindness has gone missing, and they think through the ways that reclaiming kindness can happen through everyday actions, and they acknowledge the need to be intentional, choosing loving kindness even when anger, rage, and selfishness seem much easier options.
This was an energizing and life-affirming conversation. We hope it will be for you too.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The thing behind the thing
2026/07/29
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about getting to 'the thing behind the thing'. They discuss how easy it is to not go upstream and discover the root causes of the challenges we can face, both personally and societally.
They explore how we can get trapped in a cycle of reacting rather than finding lasting solutions and building the inclusion and belonging required and the bravery needed. And they dive deeper into the significance and place of spirituality at the heart of those lasting solutions, challenging the notion that spirituality is just a side hustle.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The clue is in the Amen
2026/07/15
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about what on earth prayer is and how they can make sense of it in a chaotic and unpredictable world where so much just seems wild.
They discuss how misunderstood prayer can be and explore the richness of it as a practise and and a way of life. They think of it as an exercise for transforming our thinking rather than twisting the arm of the divine.
And they recognise it as a statement of commitment, the clue always being in the Amen. This was an eye opening conversation and a realisation of what can shift when we are really paying attention.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The journey of grief & loss
2026/07/01
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about grief and loss. They acknowledge that this is an experience that we all go through and is such a, part of the roller coaster of life.
They know joy and pain, loss and gain, celebration and sadness. So together, they chat about how we can navigate all of this, helping one another, from what can feel like utter lostness, to discovering hope from the different elements of grief, the wisdom of Psalm 23, all the way to creating legacy.
This was a very tender and important conversation.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Longing for home
2026/06/10
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about the questions we ask trying to find home. They discuss those searching questions that have been asked for thousands of years.
Questions of human longing: Am I of worth? Do I matter? Is there a God? And does that God love me? They recognise just how important it is to stop and notice these curious longings when we are experiencing them.
They get onto Maslow and try to debunk some of the misunderstandings and misconceptions about what Maslow said and believe. And they talk about the four S's: seen, safe, soothed and secure, and how these reflect the deep questions we have.
And they look to the story of the Prodigal Son that Jesus told where we see how important it is to come to our senses and see where and what home actually is.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Reading Differently
2026/05/27
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about how God can get hijacked for violence and war. Theye end up exploring how sacred texts can be so easily misinterpreted.
And they discuss how important it is for anyone who reads and references them to interrogate them and do the hard work of understanding. And they uncover, how, when we understand the books of the Bible this way, you can't help but get to the way of love.
They go deep in this episode. They needed to. This stuff really matters. We hope it helps you go deeper too.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Exploring some misconceptions
2026/05/13
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about some major misconceptions. It all starts with an experience walking down Oxford Street and being left with a multitude of questions.
They dive into words like repent and sinner and what they meant at the time of Jesus in 1st century Palestine. They talk about the courage to think differently and to challenge our assumptions, and they go on to explore how those with power can use narratives to control.
They even try to unpack the influence of the Mediaeval Church and a novel by Dante that have shaped so much understanding and theology today. This is a big conversation that covers some big ideas that we believe we must wrestle with and when we do, it literally changes everything.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Raising our humanity
2026/04/29
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about raising one another's humanity. They discuss the need to face up to the dehumanising that we see in society and the impact when othering starts and blame is directed towards those who are different to us.
They explore together just how powerful it is to know people by name, to listen to and learn about their storey, and to always, always, always raise our humanity and connection above everything else.
And through it all, they come to understand that when we choose to humanise rather than blame, we are transformed along with the world around us. That makes this conversation a must listen.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Resisting with joy!
2026/04/15
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about joy as an act of resistance.
When things feel despairing, we can still seek out joy.
Being able to dwell in joy takes planning and intention, and in time, what we do deliberately becomes second nature to us.
Even when surrounded by despair, whether it’s eating together, singing together or serving together, joy can be the outcome from which everyone benefits.
In these acts, we declare that a different way is possible.
We pray this episode helps you to see all the joy that does exist in the world, even amongst chaos and uncertainty.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Great Expectations
2026/03/18
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about great expectations. They chat through how we can get stuck in maintenance, creating dependency rather than challenging injustice and reaching for progress.
They think about how vital it is to not settle, but to keep pushing for the fullest of lives as we live into our God given potential, living at our peak, loving God and our neighbour as ourselves.
Inclusion is always about more than going beyond what is and keeping on, keeping on. We pray you find possibility for yourself and others in this conversation.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
With and within uncertainty
2026/03/04
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about finding our way in uncertainty. How do they handle it? How do they find a way of living with and within, ambiguity?
Together, they talk about fears and wonderings and remember that listening to one another really matters. Holding on to those around us brings us strength and courage, especially because things don't always work out.
It's just how life goes sometimes. But the invitation of uncertainty is to lean into our individual and shared courage. And maybe, however small that might feel, hold on as we move through what feels untethered.
What a fantastic and tender conversation.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
People first. Systems second
2026/02/18
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about what happens when the computer says no and when process becomes their priority at the expense of their relationships with one another.
Doing this can make us slow rather than helping us to be nimble, able to flex and, move forward to achieve vision and mission. So together they explore how vital it is that all process and regulation keeps the main thing.
The main thing the preciousness of every person and their thriving and being willing to buck the system. When this has been forgotten, this feels like a timely conversation, rediscovering our sacred belonging to one another.
It always matters. For this, we must be courageous.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Digging deeper into resilience
2026/02/04
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about resilience. They uncover that resilience can be good and bad and can take many forms. So what ultimately matters are the values and beliefs that our resilience is rooted in.
Ultimately, they can't discuss resilience without talking about our motives that are driving us, they think through what our resilience will look like if it's founded on loving God and loving others as ourselves.
And in the desire to serve and to give, they recognise that this kind of resilience doesn't just happen, we build it over time through leaning into the struggle and complexity of life.
This was such an energising and joyous conversation.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Becoming a trusted person
2026/01/21
In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe talks with Steve Chalke about how to become a person who is trusted by others. Trust takes a long time and it's all built on the foundation of good relationship.
They explore how trust is like money in the bank that we accrue and can spend. And most significantly, they recognise that becoming a trustworthy person means means being authentic, doing what we say we will do, being rooted and motivated by values centred on love and goodness and never self interest.
Trust is sacred and needs to be handled accordingly. The purpose of trust is to see goodness come in the world.
Our title music is written and performed by Jerome Alexander (Message to Bears).
This podcast is powered by Oasis. Edited and mixed by Matteo Magariello. Produced by Peter Kerwood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.