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The GROW! Show is a show that highlights Marty Grunder's annual conference, GROW!. The GROW! show will showcase how anyone in the green industry can grow themselves, their team, and their business.
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Make It About Them: Grow 2025 Columbus Keynote Replay with Marty Grunder
2026/02/04
This episode's a little different: we're bringing you Marty's keynote address that opened GROW! 2025 as we're onsite in Dallas, TX for GROW! 2026. Listen to hear Marty's take on growing a landscaping business. He shares the hurdles that stood in the way of growing Grunder Landscaping Co., how they overcame them, and what's ahead for businesses that are excited for the future.
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Episode Timestamps
01:53 - Keynote Intro
04:34 - The Importance of Growth and Community
07:53 - Personal Stories & Lessons Learned
13:48 - Early Business Challenges & Successes
20:42 - The Birth of a Speaking Career
21:40 - Financial Struggles & Family Values
23:03 - Lessons Learned Through Growth
27:33 - The Importance of Team and Client Relationships
29:40 - Creating a Positive Company Culture
38:40 - Please Like & Subscribe!
Key Learnings
Growth Isn't Linear – In my 41 years of business, I've found that growth isn't linear. It's not a straight line. It doesn't happen that way. And it's not easy. I'm a 40 year overnight success story.
Training Is an Investment, Not an Expense – The best way that you can grow a team is by making an investment in them. Sending them to something like this is way more than training. This is an experience. This is what can happen when you get around other risk-taking peers and let your hair down.
The Christmas Party I Threw for Myself – I spent a lot of money on a nice party at a fancy restaurant. An employee pulled me aside: "We had to buy nice clothes. Our pallets aren't as sophisticated as yours. Pizza and bowling would've been fine. Give us a cash bonus." Who'd I throw the party for? Myself. I made that party about myself.
Our New Mission Statement Puts Team First – Creating opportunities for our team to grow and succeed by enhancing the beauty and value of every client's property. The first sentence there, creating opportunities for our team to grow and succeed, that is our focus. Not about Seth, not about Marty, it's about the team.
Business Is Like Golf – You grab that club real hard and swing harder and the ball doesn't go anywhere. You hold the club like a bird and swing it real easy and it's amazing how far the ball goes. I'm hitting my five iron 30 yards longer. Business is the same way. When we try too hard, when we push, when we make it about ourselves, we lose.
$2.1 Billion in Combined Revenue in This Room – The combined revenue of all the landscape companies in this room right now is $2.1 billion. If we all leave here with our head on straight, with new ideas, making it about the team, not about ourselves, a rising tide raises all boats.
Don't Go to Dinner by Yourself – The only way you're gonna get in trouble with me here today is if you go to dinner by yourself. This is a warm, caring community that wants to help you. I don't care how big or small your business is.
Learn From the Little Guys Too – I got a buddy in a peer group with all these huge companies. Third year he quit. They were talking about captives, vacation houses, investments. He said, "I want to talk about where are you parking the truck and how are you maximizing that? How are you keeping those hourly workers?" There's secrets in those day-to-day struggles.
Stress Is Caused Because You're Out of Control – Look for ideas so you and your team can work together with less stress. Doesn't that sound fun? Stress is caused because you're out of control and you don't know what...
How Small Actions Create Big Results in Your Business with Chris Psencik
2026/01/28
In this episode, Marty Grunder and executive coach Chris Psencik explore how small, consistent actions compound into extraordinary results. Drawing from Captain Michael Abrashoff's leadership principles in "It's Your Ship," they break down practical applications across the Four P Framework: Platform, People, Process, and Profits. The conversation emphasizes that success in the landscape industry comes from mastering the details that most people overlook.
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Episode Timestamps
01:58 - Introducing Chris Psencik
03:50 - The Importance of Little Things in Business
05:00 - Book Discussion: Creating Owners & Leaders
08:37 - The Four P Framework
10:00 - Platform: Speed and Execution
14:49 - People: Training and One-on-Ones
18:01 - Process: Systems and Efficiency
18:54 - Proactive Client Engagement
20:02 - Analyzing and Improving Proposals
21:16 - Maximizing Software Utilization
22:19 - Bite-Sized Profit Strategies
23:22 - Overcoming Sales Challenges
25:17 - The Importance of Peer Groups
30:28 - Success Through Attention to Detail
33:40 - Sign Up for GROW 2026!
Key Learnings
Speed Kills (In a Good Way): When a customer is ready to buy, they have Google, ChatGPT, and a list of competitors at their fingertips. The companies that respond fastest win. Chris shared how many businesses complain about needing more sales when the real problem is response time. The calls are coming in. The return speed is the bottleneck.
Marty's Take: "Good things come to those who wait, but only the things left behind by those who didn't. Seize the day. What are you waiting for?"
Create Owners, Not Employees: Captain Abrashoff's transformation of the USS Benfold offers a blueprint for landscape companies. He turned a failing ship into one of the Navy's most productive by pushing decision-making down, creating clarity, and building relationships at every level. The key insight: you cannot scale by micromanaging. You scale by creating people who think and act like owners.
Chris's Perspective: "So many people think they can just white-knuckle those companies and grab their bootstraps and get their hands dirty. But once a company reaches a certain size, it takes successful people to really do that."
Leverage the Wins: Recognition does not require elaborate systems. A shout-out with a Payday candy bar. Acknowledging someone in a team meeting who embodied a core value. These small moments reinforce culture more than any policy manual. The mistake most companies make is not capitalizing on things going well.
Example from Marty: When a crew member spotted a drainage issue, reported it, and helped close a $3,800 sale, that story became a teaching moment about what "speed kills" means in practice.
Train When You Have Time, Execute When You Don't: Chris highlighted how Curtis Atkinson uses the winter months strategically. Instead of viewing slow seasons as downtime, he treats them as preparation time. His team enters spring ready to execute rather than scrambling to figure things out when revenue opportunities are highest.
The Principle: "Think with the end in mind. Where do we need to get? We need revenue. When do we want it? First an...
The $40,000 Change Management Mistake & How to Use AI for SOPs with Kevin Keim
2026/01/21
In this episode, Kevin Keim shares what he's learned in his career, the mistakes he's made, and the tips he has for landscape pros to create great SOPs and manage change in their organization. He shares tips for ensuring smoother transitions when you make a change and for documenting SOPs with low-cost (or free) tools.
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Episode Timestamps
00:30 - Introduction & Welcome
02:40 - Megan’s Background and Connection to Landscaping
04:52 - The Importance of Accountability
10:01 - Skill and Will in Leadership
11:56 - Practical Tools for Accountability
16:47 - Advice for Landscaping Business Owners
22:33 - What to Expect at Grow 2026
Key Learnings
My $40,000 Mistake: I Implemented Change Too Fast – I knew this from Dow, I just never did anything with it. It landed very differently after I made my first bungle, which cost about $40,000 in mistakes. That's just what I could calculate. I'm sure there was a lot more residual impact outside of that. The first thing I did when I came in was realize we needed to change our scheduling software. I rolled it out in three weeks. Big mistake.
The Five Steps of Change Management – First, create awareness. Why are we doing this? Second, desire. What's in it for me? Third, knowledge. How do I do this? Fourth, ability. Can I actually do this? Fifth, reinforcement. How do we make sure this sticks? Most people skip straight to knowledge without building awareness and desire first. That's where I went wrong.
Don't Stare at a Blank Screen, Just Start With Something – Whether it's change recipes or SOPs, just start with something. Starting is how you go do anything. We started on paper, flip charts literally, moved to a digital format, and then towards the end we took all of our SOPs and put them in ChatGPT and they could prompt and ask questions. Baby steps are okay as long as you've got that consistent change and you're communicating the vision.
Use ChatGPT to Build Your SOPs for Free – You can go into ChatGPT and say, "I'm the president of a $5 million landscaping company. I'm struggling with how to implement change and get SOPs and get more of my team on the same page. What would you suggest I do?" You will be amazed at the fire starters that come out of that conversation. You can upload documents, ask it to rewrite things in simpler language, create step-by-step guides.
An Employee Who Doesn't Know How to Do Their Job Leads to Burnout – An employee who doesn't know how to do their job leads to frustration, which leads to burnout, which leads to turnover, which is extremely costly. Not having an SOP, a documented one especially when you go to onboarding, is not an option. The biggest freeing moment we had was realizing that holding onto bad employees because you don't have a good onboarding process is what was holding us back.
Paint the Vision of What's In It For Them – You gotta paint the vision of what's in it for them. You gotta get them to understand how it can make it easier on them. People at your company don't want to show up and have you hand them a pack of papers with drawings and phone numbers in a three ring binder. It's all on their phone now. It's so much easier. But if you're used to using paper, it does take a while to get there.
Change Happens in Baby Steps With Consistent Communication – We started with flip charts, moved to digital, then to ChatGPT. Each step made sense for where we were. You don...
Interview Series: Megan Parker on Leadership and Accountability in Action at Landscaping Companies
2026/01/14
In this episode, Marty Grunder is joined by executive coach Megan Parker whose coaching has been instrumental in many landscaping companies' success and whose sessions at past GROW sessions have helped managers become the leaders their teams need. They talk about accountability as leaders and how to encourage accountability among their teams.
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Episode Timestamps
00:30 - Introduction & Welcome
02:40 - Megan’s Background and Connection to Landscaping
04:52 - The Importance of Accountability
10:01 - Skill and Will in Leadership
11:56 - Practical Tools for Accountability
16:47 - Advice for Landscaping Business Owners
22:33 - What to Expect at Grow 2026
Key Learnings
Accountability Is a $10 Word That Gets a Bad Rap – Accountability is one of those $10 words. It's a great word, but a lot of times I find that people don't really know what accountability means or how to do it. When you think of accountability, what word or feeling comes to mind? My guess is your reaction might not have been a positive one.
The Three Key Ingredients of Accountability – First, you have to have clear expectations. If we are not on the same page about how to plant a tree, then you can't hold me accountable for the way the tree was planted. Second, we need to have resources. I have to have the ability to do my job. Third, those consequences. If you and I are not clear on what happens as a result of a failure to meet those expectations, then you can't truly hold me accountable.
Skill and Will: Why Accountability Is So Hard – When I think about why it is so hard, I think about two things: skill and will. Does the person have the skill to do it? And do they have the will to hold someone accountable? Skill means do I know how to hold people accountable? Do I literally know how to have a conversation without flying off the handle? Will is, am I willing to hold people accountable, to be the bad guy, to worry about what people will think of me?
Flying Off the Handle Sends People Into Fight, Flight, or Freeze – You're gonna send people into fight, flight, or freeze mode. Everyone will have one of those three reactions. When you go into that mode without the skill to have that conversation, you're gonna send people into fight, flight, or freeze mode, and nothing productive is gonna come from that. That's why the skill part is really important.
A-Players Don't Want to Work With People Who Aren't A-Players – Do you want to work for someone who will not hold you accountable? The answer is typically no. The biggest issue with people who aren't pulling their weight is that other A-players do not want to work with people who are not A-players. Your best employees, your A-players, they want to be held to a high standard. They want to be held accountable, and they want others on the team to be held to that same standard.
The Pilot Never Says "Let Me Call My Supervisor" – Your expectation for the pilot is that they need to get a plane full of people to the destination safely. If you're flying through a storm, you can adjust altitude or fly around it. Never once have you ever heard the pilot say, "I need to reroute, but I need to call my supervisor and ask him." You don't want your clients feeling like the perso...
What We'll Learn at GROW! 2026
2026/01/07
In this episode of The Grow Show, Vince Torchia and Emily Lindley detail the planning that has gone into GROW! 2026, what will be different about this year's event, and how landscape pros can get the most out of this learning experience - whether they attend or not.
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Episode Timestamps
00:50 - Introduction to Grow 2026
02:04 - Insights from the Peer Groups
03:45 - Event Space and Logistics
04:50 - Changes to the Tour Schedule and Innovations
08:20 - Networking and Dining Rounds
10:27 - Maximizing Your Event Experience
14:18 - Ways to Follow Grow 2026
Key Learnings
We're Expecting About 1,000 More People Than 10 Years Ago – Complete Land Sculpture hosted this event 10 years ago in 2016. We had about 225 people. We might have a thousand more people than that for 2026. Gene and Chris have been to every Grow since 2016, so they have awesome ideas and know how they want their tour to run.
More Space Than Last Year—No Crowded Escalators – Last year we had an awesome event in Columbus hosted by Hidden Creek. We had a lot of late signups, which we loved, but there were some tight breakout rooms, tight space with sponsors at happy hours. Other than escalators working in Dallas, I am excited that we have larger space this year—more space in our main stage room, breakout rooms, and general function area.
The Tour Is Reinvented: Fewer Stations, More Time – Gene and Chris put together a really good tour schedule that involves less stations that are longer. So we have more time in stations, less movement of people, some more movement of presenters, and finally an actual formal walking tour of the facility. We've also taken some of those tour stations and brought them back to the hotel.
Divide and Conquer Breakout Sessions as a Team – I would set up a meeting two weeks before the event with all the people from your team who are attending. Look at the agenda, pick out which breakout sessions everybody's going to. What I would recommend is that teams divide and conquer. Don't all go to the same breakout session. Take your notes and come back together to share knowledge from all the different sessions.
Set a Pre-Event and Post-Event Team Meeting – During that pre-event meeting, talk about dine arounds, dinner reservations, what you want to get out of it as a team. Is there a specific challenge you're facing that you really want to find an answer to at Grow? After the event, do a debrief. Talk about breakout sessions, notes, takeaways, action items. Narrow down everything to five things you're gonna implement over the next year.
Think: Today, 30 Days, 60-90 Days – Think about what's one thing you're gonna get done today, what's low hanging fruit you can get done right away when you get back home. What's something you're gonna get done in the next 30 days? And then what's something you're gonna get done in the next 60 or 90 days? Make it a manageable to-do list so it doesn't just live in a notebook.
We Listen to 210+ Companies to Build the Agenda – We're always listening to not only what we're experiencing at Grunder Landscaping Company, but also taking a deep dive into the over 210 companies that we have in our ACE peer groups. We take into account all those meetings, conversations, accountability calls, and naturally things just bubble up to the top. We'll have more breakout sessions than we've ever had this year.
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Strategy: Setting Your New Year Up for Success
2025/12/31
In this episode, Vince Torchia shares how he sees landscaping companies set their year up for success early with planning, refining messaging, defining the wins, and communicating all of this with teams. He shares the themes that have driven Grunder Landscaping's growth and messaging, and how to evaluate where your focus should be for 2026.
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Episode Timestamps
01:32 Setting Up for Success: The Importance of a Yearly Theme
05:05 Recognizing and Appreciating Your Team
09:45 Effective Communication Strategies for 2026
13:54 Conclusion and Upcoming Events
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Virtual Sales Bootcamp
Grunder Landscaping Field Trips
The Grow Group
Grunder Landscaping
Marty Grunder LinkedIn
Stihl
Key Learnings
1. PICK YOUR THEME
What is your theme for 2026?
Is it a culture year? A sales year? An operational efficiency year?
There are no right or wrong themes
Think about 2025, think about what needs to happen in 2026
Kick it around with managers, leaders, salespeople
Examples: "Back to Basics," "Grow Maintenance," "Be the Buffalo"
How will you communicate it? End meetings with it? Recognize people for living it?
2. RECOGNIZE THE UNDERAPPRECIATED
Team Members: Who needs to feel the love? Thank you notes, praising in public, opportunities for advancement
Clients: Who never complains, always pays on time, refers business, but we take for granted?
Vendors/Subs: Who springs into action when we need them? Who's making things happen for our business? Host a luncheon, be top of mind for referrals, bring them a meal, recognize their team
3. CREATE YOUR COMMUNICATION PLAN
Put communication on your calendar for what's happening in the business
At Grunder: Monthly "Grow Meeting" - state of the union, all hands on deck, same message at the same time
Do you have monthly meetings? Scoreboards? Written communication in English and Spanish?
Chart the course so no team member ever has to ask: How are we doing? Where are we trending? What's the update?
Reflection Questions
If you asked your entire team right now "What's our theme for 2026?"—would they all say the same thing, or would you get blank stares?
Who are the three most underappreciated people in your business (team members, clients, or vendors) who deserve recognition but never get it b...
Leadership: How to Use the Holiday Week as a Quiet Advantage
2025/12/24
Happy Holidays listeners! In this episode of The Grow Show, Marty Grunder shares the routine he follows during a holiday week to make equal time for recharging, reflecting, and resetting. Make time for yourself and your loved ones, but don't miss the opportunity to set your 2026 up for success in this final week of the year.
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Episode Timestamps
01:47 - The Holiday Dilemma for Landscapers
02:32 - Managing the Week Between Christmas and New Year’s
05:03 - Recharge, Reflect, and Reset: The Three Buckets
05:45 - Five Practical Areas to Focus On
08:25 - The Grow Show Christmas Week Challenge
10:03 - Please Share & Subscribe!
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Virtual Sales Bootcamp
Grunder Landscaping Field Trips
The Grow Group
Grunder Landscaping
Marty Grunder LinkedIn
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Key Learnings
How You Manage This Week Says a Lot About How You Manage Your Business – The worst thing you can do is let this week become a Netflix sit-around, eat junk, do nothing this week. That's not good. If you spend six to 10 hours the week between Christmas and New Year's, you'll return to work January 2nd seeing your business in a whole new focused way.
Resting Is Okay, Drifting Is Dangerous – I organize this week around three buckets: Recharge, Reflect, and Reset. Recharge is time with family. Reflect means looking at reality, the good, the bad, and the painful truth. Reset means making decisions—what will I stop doing? What will I delegate? What am I gonna double down on?
I Get to the Coffee Shop at 5:45 AM While My Family Sleeps In – I head to a coffee shop around 5:45 AM on the days they're open, even though I don't drink coffee, because I like that environment. I open my calendar, scroll month by month. What felt heavy? Where did we have callbacks? Where was I overwhelmed? I delve into Aspire, check dials, reports, numbers, because data doesn't lie.
All Planning Is Good, But Planning Only Happens When You're Intentional – You've heard me say this many times. All planning is good. Credit to Dave Sullivan from 1997. This process I'm sharing with you is planning. At some point you're gonna have to say, I'm getting my act together. This is that week.
Chaos Is Really Expensive, Order Pays Dividends – People come in my garage and they say, my goodness, what happened here? You could eat off the floor. It's always like that. I guess it's my OCD, but I just feel so much more in control when I have things organized. Chaos is really expensive, folks. Order pays dividends.
The Daily Rhythm for Winning This Week
Each Day:
One hour in the morning for yourself
What Marty Learned While Previewing the GROW! 2026 Tour of Complete Landsculpture
2025/12/17
In this episode, Marty details what the Complete Landsculpture team shared during our tour session rehearsals that had him frantically scribbling down notes to help the team back at home. He shares what impressed him from this, and then what he's working with his own team to implement as a result.
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Episode Timestamps
00:54 - Upcoming Grow 2026 Event in Dallas
03:29 - The Four P’s Framework
06:39 - Focus on Your People
08:41 - Process Excellence at Complete Landsculpture
12:20 - Insights on Procurement and Profits
14:03 - Sign up for Grow 2026!
16:09 - Please Share & Subscribe!
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Virtual Sales Bootcamp
Grunder Landscaping Field Trips
The Grow Group
Grunder Landscaping
Marty Grunder LinkedIn
Stihl
Key Learnings
Every Presenter Mentioned Their Mission and Focus – Complete Land Sculpture's mission is to create complete outdoor client experiences and exceed those expectations. They're fanatical about it. Every single one of them mentioned that main focus in their presentation. Even HR mentioned that maintenance is their focus of growth right now. I was listening to people that weren't at the top of the org chart talking about the value of doing maintenance and the reoccurring revenue.
Your External Customer Service Will Never Exceed Your Internal Customer Service – When I see a company that offers good service, I know that the team is well managed. The team knows that people care about them, and that's just a byproduct of taking care of your team. The place oozes with consistency of the brand, the looks, the smells, the way the office and the shop and the grounds are set up.
They Give Clients a Weekly State of the Union Email – They communicate well with their clients, giving them a weekly state of the union email with full reports—amazing detailed reports with photos of how the job's gone. They do a complete budget, but then they put the budget into the months that they think their client could spend and they give them the budget. Many of their property managers struggle with that, so they try to make it easy on them.
Take 5-7 Clients to Lunch and Ask for Feedback – Scott said they take five to seven clients to lunch and ask them how they're doing, ask for feedback. It goes over well because it's five to seven clients that are in the similar industry, real estate, and they like talking with each other. He said, we know we're good and we don't have anything to hide. So we have a conversation with them about what we can do better.
Procurement Is Where Most Companies Waste Money – Xavier handles procurement for Complete Landsculpture. He didn't look at his slides, didn't look at his notes. Gene said, we can tell you know what you're doing. Xavier said, I don't have to look at them, this is what I do all day. It's not sexy, we just don't do it well. We waste...
Year-End Reflections: The Highs and Lows of 2025 of Grunder Landscaping
2025/12/10
In this episode, Marty Grunder and Vince Torchia recap what 2025 looked like for Grunder Landscaping Co. and the ups and downs that we saw. There were some great wins and also some lessons learned, all shared in our best effort to help other landscaping teams.
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Episode Chapters:
00:54 - Landscape Pros Playbook Overview
01:48 - Reflecting on 2025: Wins and Learnings
02:19 - Platform: Culture and Growth
08:56 - People: Team Additions and Changes
18:02 - Process: Improvements and Challenges
21:14 - Profit: Financial Insights and Investments
26:56 - Looking Ahead to 2026
30:20 - Please Share & Subscribe!
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Show Notes:
We Added $4 Million and 40 People—Training Couldn't Keep Up – We grew a lot this year. We added $4 million in revenue and about 40 more people. When you grow like we have, you assume people know how to do things and you don't slow down enough to train them. We've gotta train better. We have a saying here that's trust the process, but you can say that as long as you understand the process. I think we have so many new people here, they don't understand the process.
Landscaping Isn't Simple When You Do This Many Transactions – We often hear from people or the inference is that landscaping's a simple business. I don't think it is when you do the number of transactions that we do. Now in lawn care, some of those transactions are $80 lawn apps and you have weather to deal with and all these people and complicated projects. There's just a lot, and when you grow and add new people, it takes a while for them to understand how to do things.
Our Peer Groups Give Us a Reality Check – The great thing about our peer groups is the barometer that we get out of almost 250 companies. That's closing in on one and a half billion dollars in collective revenue. When you're in those meetings and you hear what other people are dealing with, you realize you're not alone and you get perspective on what's normal versus what needs fixing.
Cash Management Requires Daily Review—Not Just Systems – The biggest thing I've learned this year was accounts receivable communication with the team. Yes, it's centralized and yes, we have a process for how we do it, but just because you are not involved in that collection does not mean you just get to put your arms up and be like, well, I'm not getting involved in that. Everybody on the team has to understand who owes money, why they owe money, and what we're doing to collect it. Nothing will ever beat daily review of cash in, cash out, and AR balances.
We've Learned More About Our Ideal Client This Year – We've done a fountain project, we've done a historical renovation of a property, we've landed more commercial snow work this year than ever before. We changed the mission statement to create opportunities for our team to grow and succeed. I think from a platform perspective, we are doing that through looking at our ideal client in a new perspective for the kind of work...
How We Work Matters: Four Keys to Growing Through Referrals
2025/12/03
Grunder Landscaping’s Cincinnati location recently secured a high-profile account simply because a prospect walked by one of their crews and was impressed—even though they couldn't see the actual work being done in the backyard. In this short episode, Marty breaks down the four key philosophies that turn job sites into referral generators, from treating your internal team better than you expect them to treat clients to consistently looking for the good instead of just pointing out problems.
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Episode Timestamps
00:57 - Site One Early Order Program
01:55 - The Importance of How We Work
02:22 - Securing High Profile Accounts
04:24 - Four Key Philosophies for Success
08:16 - Internal Customer Service > External
08:32 - Be Great At What You Want to See
09:38 - Be Present and Engage
12:43 - Look for the Good
14:36 - Training and Systems Matter
16:30 - Please Share & Subscribe!
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Key Learnings
Your External Customer Service Will Never Exceed Your Internal Customer Service – How you treat your team is how they're gonna treat your clients. If you treat your team poorly, you don't give them the tools they need, you don't respect them, you don't appreciate them, you don't have their paychecks ready on time—they're not gonna treat your clients well.
You Gotta Be Great at What You Want Your Team to Be Good At – I can't expect my team to wave at people, throttle down blowers when someone walks by, be kind, and wave at the competition if I'm not modeling that behavior myself. We teach our people to wave to people, to be polite, to look like they care. That starts with me.
Be Present and Bump Knuckles – I listened to a podcast with Corey Ballard who said you gotta get in there and bump some knuckles. You gotta be talking to people, firing them up, setting a good example, being present. When I'm in town, I go in early, I partake in our stretch and flex, I walk around with my nail apron stuffed full of candy. Lenin, one of our lawn care technicians, said "I missed you. I haven't seen you in a while." That made me realize showing up and being seen matters.
Look for the Good and Reinforce It – When I have my apron on and passing out candy, I often see things that are bad. Yesterday I saw a truck that hadn't been cleaned out, a bald tire, and a mesh gate pushed out. I took a picture and sent it to the managers, but I don't go yelling at people. I'm a cheerleader, I'm a knuckle bumper. I look for the good, reinforce that, talk about it in circles, and post pictures of good jobs.
The Exercise That Changes Everything
Marty closes with this powerful exercise he uses when working with groups:
The Question: Knowing what you know about landscaping, what would a crew have to do—to look like, to sound like—if they were working at the neighbors of your brand new vacation home in Florida that you just built because you did so well with your landscaping company? What would that team have to do to impress you to the point...
Gene Freeman & Chris Strempek: 34-Year Partnership, Scaling Complete Landsculpture & Hosting Grow 2026
2025/11/26
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Chris Strempek and Gene Freeman have been partners at Complete Landsculpture in Dallas, Texas for 34 years. In this conversation, they reveal why they would've hired consultants and learned their numbers much earlier, how treating team members like owners transformed their culture, and what makes their partnership work after more than three decades together—essential lessons whether you're building a partnership, scaling your business, or just trying to figure out your next hire.
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Episode Chapters:
01:52 - Chris’s Journey: 40 Years from College Job to Company President
04:06 - Gene’s Story: 34 Years of Partnership
05:58 - Roles and Responsibilities for Gene & Chris
06:55 - Business Development at Complete Landsculpture
07:52 - Company Structure and Services
08:55 - Unique Value Proposition & Customer Service
11:31 - The 5-10 Rule
13:55 - Growth and Challenges for 2025
19:06 - What to Expect at Grow 2026
25:26 - The Opportunity to Challenge Our Team
26:20 - Labor Situation & H-2B Program
28:37 - Challenges in Staffing & Growth Opportunities
31:21 - Celebrating Team Success & Culture
34:47 - Time Management Tips
38:02 - Community Involvement and Giving Back
41:46 - Relationships Matter At All Levels
43:18 - Chris’ Leadership Style Over the Years
46:44 - Thoughts on Private Equity
52:11 - Advice to Younger Self
58:41 - Please Subscribe!
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Key Learnings:
The 25-Year-Old Me Needed a Consultant Yesterday – I would seek the advice of consultants and get help developing a real, executable, goal-oriented business plan. The biggest tendency for operators starting out is spending all your time as a technician, virtually no time in the entrepreneurial or visionary role. You can't articulate to team members what you don't know yourself.
We Didn't Know Our Numbers—Top Line Blinded Us – We just looked at top line. God, if we get to $4 million, we're gonna be on high cotton. We thought we'd be sitting pretty, wondering where we'd spend all the money. Not knowing your numbers, not knowing what you don't know, that held us back. Labor costs, material costs, ratios, overtime, indirect time—these KPIs are transcendent whether you're in Washington or Texas.
Treat Team Members Like Owners and Challenge Them – We empower our team to make decisions and think like owners. We've learned over the years that there are things we suck at, but we have rock stars in our organization who can take those areas well beyond what we ever could. We gotta get out of their way.
Don't Let Pride Get in the Way of Your Success – You've got to be willing to own your mistakes. We're far from perfect and we're seeing cracks right now. We try to acknowledge them, bring them forward, make them public, and learn from them. Make sure...
The Landscape Pros Playbook: Your Year-Round Guide to Training, Pay, and Growth
2025/11/19
Marty Grunder announces the new Landscape Pros Playbook, an 8-year dream project created with Landscape Management magazine. Learn why training should target specific pain points, how to answer "Would you want to work for you?", and why competitive pay with career paths transforms seasonal workers into department leaders.
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Episode Chapters:
00:41 - The Landscape Pros Playbook: A Dream Realized
01:23 - The Importance of Landscape Management Magazine
01:57 - Unveiling the Landscape Pros Playbook
04:16 - Training: An Investment, Not an Expense
06:35 - Would You Want to Work for You?
07:34 - The Importance of Competitive Compensation
11:34 - Career Paths & Growing Opportunities
14:29 - Please Subscribe to The Grow Show!
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Show Notes:
Training Should Be Based on Last Year's Problems – I tell companies to look at where you had issues: client complaints, callbacks on plants or pavers, team member injuries, workers' comp claims. Track when these problems happened, then build your training calendar around preventing them proactively—you're better off in fire prevention than firefighting.
Time Your Training to Your Calendar – I don't think it makes sense to train on snow removal in May. Train on snow removal in October, November, and again in December through February. Match your training topics to when your crews will actually be doing that work.
The Playbook Came from My Own Need as a 19-Year-Old – I was a sophomore at the University of Dayton running my business, and I'd rip open this newsletter and start reading it walking up the driveway. It told me when to buy fertilizer, when to apply it, how to sell pruning and maintenance packages. That newsletter gave me direction—and the Landscape Pros Playbook is that resource for today's professionals.
Turnover Costs More Than Just Wages – I see companies focus only on what they're paying to replace someone. But look at what turnov...
Your Business Superpower: How to Find It, Leverage It, and Scale with It
2025/11/12
Marty Grunder reveals how to identify your personal superpower and spend 80% of your time leveraging it for maximum business growth. Learn the StrengthsFinder framework that unlocks hidden potential in your team, plus four practical tips to work more in your strength zone - even when you're doing it all yourself.
StrengthsFinder 2.0
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Episode Chapters:
00:00:30 Introduction and Welcome
00:01:04 Leadership Team Success
00:02:24 Understanding Superpowers
00:03:21 Marty's Superpowers
00:06:35 Brian's Journey to Success
00:09:35 Discovering and Leveraging Superpowers
00:11:42 Lily's Story: Finding True Passion
00:17:07 Practical Tips for Identifying Superpowers
00:20:25 Conclusion and Call to Action
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Interview Series: Training Your Team for Success with Matt Crinklaw
2025/11/05
In this episode, Marty Grunder is joined by Greenius' Matt Crinklaw to talk about the mistakes that come from not teaching your team the skills that they need, experiments in how onboarding impacts success, how to successfully train your team, and the tools available to support landscaping companies in effectively training your team. Matt shares the different learning styles people have, tailoring training to what works for your team, the importance of training documentation, and the impact great training has on individuals and organizations.
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Episode Chapters:
00:59 - Meet Matt Matt Crinklaw: Journey to Greenius
02:53 - The Birth of Greenius
04:53 - The Importance of Training in Landscaping
09:10 - Understanding Adult Learning
11:13 - The Three Ways of Learning
19:23 - Career Pathways and Employee Retention
24:10 - Effective Training Setups and Greenius Benefits
27:31 - Avoid Costly Mistakes Through Training
30:19 - Getting Started with Greenius
32:56 - Common Mistakes in Training Programs
37:00 - Emerging Trends in Landscaping Technology
39:36 - Big Announcement from Grow & Greenius
43:12 - Sign Up for a Field Trip to Grunder
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Show Notes:
Training Gets New Hires to Productivity 40% Faster – I measured new hires against employees with one year of experience on 50 properties. The experienced employees were 40% more efficient....
Interview Series: Barrett Chow on Taking Care of Your Team
2025/10/29
Barrett Chow, Executive Coach with McFarlin Stanford, joins Marty to discuss why the green industry's approach to human resources is fundamentally broken—and how to fix it. Barrett shares the strategic framework that transforms HR from a cost center into a growth enabler.
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Episode Chapters:
00:30 - Episode Welcome
02:51 - Barrett’s Journey: From PGA Tour to Green Industry Coaching
04:23 - Why the Green Industry Is Different (And Better)
06:46 - Leaders Are Bringing in HR Much Earlier Now
09:34 - Why “People Operations” Eliminates the Grim Reaper Stigma
12:07 - Ways to Improve Your People Operations
16:29 - Transformational HR Practices
18:04 - Building a Positive Company Culture
23:06 - Defining Your Company’s Unique Value
24:14 - Creating an Inviting Workplace
25:10 - Managing Employee Engagement
27:28 - Promoting from Within
31:28 - The Importance of Stay and Exit Interviews
40:08 - HR Predictions for 2026
43:26 - Please Like, Share, Subscribe to the Grow Show!
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Show Notes:
HR Is a Philosophy, Not Just a Department – I heard the president of SHRM say "HR is not a department, it's a philosophy." Poorly run HR pits employees against the company, where people go to HR when they don't like a policy. That creates tension that's not needed. Well-run people operations creates strategic partnership.
Leaders Are Embracing HR Much Earlier Now – We're seeing leaders embrace HR a lot earlier in their business lifecycle. Before, you had to be $15-20 million with over 100 team members for it to make sense. Now we're bringing in HR professionals earlier so they get to build the foundation for a company to grow on versus trying to be an add-on.
Rebranding to "People Operations" Eliminates Stigma – At Lifescape I rebranded HR as "People Operations" because of the stigma—if HR is in the room, you did something wrong. There's a joke that I was known as the grim reaper: if Barrett asked you to bring your computer charger, you knew what was happening. Rebranding allowed people to see me in a different light.
COVID Shifted HR from Cost Center to Strategic Partner – COVID turned HR on its head. We're now seeing that shift from "this is a cost center" to "this is my strategic partner, this is strategic enablement for me to focus on areas in my business that I know nothing about." Owners themselves can be the biggest HR issue—that's where you need a partner.
Onboarding Separates Top Performers from Underperformers – The difference between your top performers and adequate performers and underperformers comes down to: did you set them up for success from day one? It's not just the first day or week—it's the first 30, 60, 90 days where you're continually checking in on expectations.
Stay Interviews Matter More Than Exit Interviews – Exit interviews tell you why people left, but stay interviews tell...
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Groundworks -Silich 2026/01/15
Jan 2026/Accountability Excellent message to Kick off New Season
Marty Grunder is an amazing and positive influence on our landscape industry. This episode is an excellent message on accountability for all owners of...
bankroll41 2025/12/15
The GROW
We love THE GROW SHOW! Killer content from an industry Titan, Marty Grunder!
1815CW 2025/09/16
Procrastination
Really enjoyed the story sharing. Great reminders and ideas. Physical activity and fitness also leads to a positive mindset.
G0073 2025/06/02
Grow at God Speed!
Great show proud that you want keep the show clean. We’re projected to make 200k this year and my biggest struggle is finding a crew leader I’m 0-5 so...
_Landscapes_ 2025/03/27
Practical, Powerful and Insightful
Marty Grunder is a true leader in the industry, consistently demonstrating the principles he teaches. The Grow Show delivers invaluable insights to el...
PodProducerE 2024/09/10
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ A Must-Listen for Leaders in the Green Industry!
Marty Grunder's The Grow Show is a fantastic resource for anyone looking to grow their business, especially in the landscaping and green industry. Eve...
RobG2021 2023/07/09
Top Notch
Marty helped my business tremendously with his experience and network of highly professional people from both within the green industry and outsiders....
Nesorneb 2024/08/08
Operations: Whatever It Takes
The GROW Show has been an accelerated "Masters in Landscaping" for someone who entered from outside the industry 13 months ago!
Marty,
Your quote abo...
DanArns 2023/07/05
Great insight
I love when the podcast talks about specifics related to landscaping. So many leadership podcasts I can listen to but this one at its best directly a...
Grassperson 2023/04/22
Consistently delivering value!
Marty consistently delivers useful information that all landscape company owners and operators can benefit from. The Grow Shoe podcast is another way...
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