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182 episodes
Language
English
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Date created
2023/06/05
Latest episode
2026/10/21
Average duration
33 min.
Release period
7 days

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Big ideas and big debates, explained through intimate conversations with the compelling personalities who shape them. AI and biotech. Higher education and health care. Climate and sustainability. Politics and the media. Culture and culture wars. Hosted by Boston Globe columnist Shirley Leung.

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Coming out as Richard Pryor’s Daughter
2026/10/21
For years, Smith College historian Elizabeth Stordeur Pryor kept her famous identity away from the classroom. She is the daughter of Richard Pryor, the groundbreaking Black comedian. Then, a classroom encounter forced her to reckon with her dad’s legacy and her complicated relationship to it. Pryor grew up primarily in Boston with her mom, and through the years, developed a strong bond with her dad, who lived in California and died in 2005. On this episode of Say More, Pryor discusses her memoir “Something We Said: Richard Pryor, a Notorious Word, and Me.” She talks to host Anna Kusmer about how her dad used the n-word to challenge audiences, why he eventually disavowed the word, and what this journey reveals about racism in America. Email us at [email protected].
AI Doesn’t Care About You. MIT’s Sherry Turkle on “Artificial Intimacy”
2026/10/15
Fears about AI are everywhere you look. Maybe the technology will come for our jobs. Maybe it will come for our potable water. But the biggest loss may be even more crucial: AI is coming for our relationships. It’s nothing less than a “state of emergency,” says Sherry Turkle, a sociologist at MIT, and founding director of the MIT Initiative on Technology and Self, who has spent nearly 5 decades studying the culture of technology and the ways computers affect our emotional lives.  Her new book is called “Artificial Intimacy: Who We Become When We Talk to Machines.” She discusses the digital divide, “pretend empathy” and the emotional impact of chatbots for kids with Anna Kusmer on Say More. Email us at [email protected]
Joe Perry (& Aerosmith) are Not Done Rocking
2026/10/07
This week, Boston-born Aerosmith announced they were reuniting for two shows, surprising fans after fears they would never play again. This week on Say More, Shirley is joined by Aerosmith’s lead guitarist Joe Perry (who hails from Central Massachusetts) about Aerosmith’s early days playing gigs at proms in the Boston suburbs. They discuss Steven Tyler’s health, Johnny Depp’s house, and what it takes to be a 76-year-old rock star. Email us at [email protected].
POLITICS PANEL: Is Woke Dead? Is Healey in Trouble? Could New England Decide the US Senate? (plus Seth Moulton)
2026/10/01
A story about a lesbian bar in Greenfield broke the internet this week. What does it tell us about the future of the Left? Is woke dead? Or did a quirky community story get blown out of proportion? Governor Maura Healey seems overly anxious about her MAGA-adjacent challenger Mike Minogue. Then, the politics panel discusses two key Senate races in New England. PLUS an exclusive interview with Congressman Seth Moulton about his big primary loss against Senator Ed Markey. Email us at [email protected]
Cancel Culture Killed the Radio Star. A Sit-Down with Matty in the Morning.
2026/09/24
Matt Siegel’s 41-year radio run was longer than most marriages. He was the star of Boston radio's top-rated show, Matty in the Morning, on KISS 108. In 2022, he disappeared from the airwaves. Siegel harbors deep feelings about how his legendary career ended, and he’s ready to talk about it. This week on Say More, Siegel discusses Demi Lovato, getting older, and the “woke stuff” that ended his career. Email us at [email protected].
Larry Edelman says Massachusetts Needs Another Miracle.
2026/09/17
Massachusetts is full of riches. We have the best schools, world class hospitals, and a great quality of life. So why are tens of thousands of people leaving every year - and taking their companies with them? Where has our mojo gone? This week on Say More, host Shirley Leung talks to Larry Edelman, author of the Trendlines newsletter, about whether Massachusetts can pull off another ‘miracle.’ email us at [email protected].
Lindsay Clancy, Intrusive Thoughts, and Moms on Trial
2026/09/09
The Lindsay Clancy Trial is over, for now, but we can’t stop wondering how and why a mother killed her children after months of psychiatric treatment, appointments, and doctors. This case has brought new international attention for its focus on postpartum mental health. In her kitchen, Clancy had a book called, “Good Moms have Scary Thoughts,” written by a postpartum mental health expert, and used as evidence by the defense that Clancy was seeking help. The author of that book, Karen Kleiman, joins host Anna Kusmer on Say More to discuss the book, intrusive thoughts, and moms on trial. Email us at [email protected].
Politics Panel: Making Sense of Tuesday’s Primaries
2026/09/03
Across the board in Massachusetts, older established incumbents successfully fought off younger rivals in Tuesday’s primaries, regardless of political platform. Does this outcome mean it’s impossible to beat a sitting lawmaker? Or does the closeness of some of these races reveal something else? How much does age matter to Massachusetts voters? And why isn’t Massachusetts - a lefty stalwart - seeing the same progressive swing as elsewhere in the country? On this month’s politics panel, Globe Opinion Editor Jim Dao talks about MA primary results with writers Abdallah Fayyad and Joan Vennochi. Email us at [email protected].
A Genocide Scholar asks “What Went Wrong” in Israel
2026/08/27
Historian Omer Bartov never set out to be a Holocaust scholar. He started his career asking the question, ‘why do soldiers fight?’ examining the war crimes committed by Germans in World War II. After years of research, he realized his deep dive into the psychology of soldiers was a profound window into understanding the societal conditions that make war crimes and genocide possible. This week on Say More, Bartov talks to opinion editor Jim Dao about his new book called “Israel: What Went Wrong.” Email us at [email protected].
RERUN: Before Lindsay Clancy, there was Latarsha Sanders.
2026/08/20
What does justice mean when a mentally ill person takes a life? Before Lindsay Clancy killed her three children in Duxbury, there was another case. In 2018, a mother in Brockton, Latarsha Sanders, killed her two young sons while in the midst of a psychotic episode. But the tragedy didn’t end with their deaths. A dubious interrogation and a jury trial portraying Sanders as “evil” resulted in a first degree murder verdict. Boston Globe columnist Yvonne Abraham revisits the trial with an overflowing reporter’s notebook. She shares her findings with Say More’s Shirley Leung. Email us at [email protected].  Read Yvonne’s 7-part series from the Boston Globe here.  Read an update to the story here.
Jascha Franklin-Hodge on why Boston Needs Safer Streets
2026/08/13
When Michelle Wu was first elected mayor, she promised to transform Boston’s streets. Her plans for bike lanes and public transit were ambitious but achievable, she said. Now, 5 years later, street safety advocates are wondering, what happened? Wu’s streets champion, Jascha Franklin-Hodge, left city hall last year. After months of reflection, Franklin-Hodge talks to Say More’s Anna Kusmer about why progress is so hard in Boston, and why people deserve better. Email us at [email protected].
Old People Rule America. It’s Called Gerontocracy.
2026/08/06
America is ruled by old people. And it’s not just our elected officials. Median voting age is well above the national average. Yale University professor Sam Moyn has a word for this: Gerontocracy. This week on Say More, Moyn talks to opinion editor Jim Dao about how the US’s Gerontocracy became so strong, and how we can possibly get out of it. Email us at [email protected].  Read Sam Moyn’s essay for Globe Opinion here.
Who was the First Masshole?
2026/07/30
Who was the first Masshole? It’s a question that dogged Boston Globe feature writer Billy Baker, resulting in some serious research. This week on Say More, Billy comes on the show with Globe reporter Emily Sweeney to discuss the origins and deeper meaning of the phrase. They discuss their Boston childhoods, the fading Boston accent, and how Good Will Hunting changed South Boston forever. Email us at [email protected].
Politics Panel: What is ICE Doing in Maine?
2026/07/23
Maine keeps grabbing national attention. First it was the unexpected rise and fall of economic populist Graham Platner, a serious contender for Maine’s senate seat. Now begins the race to find a new nominee to run against incumbent Susan Collins, whose own campaign is being marred by the chaotic violence of federal ICE agents, including the tragic killing of a young man. On this month’s politics panel, opinion editor Jim Dao talks to writers Abdallah Fayyad and Joan Vennochi about Maine, Iran and bike safety in Boston. Email us at [email protected].
PATRIOTISM IS A VERB: Teaching US History to Immigrant Kids
2026/07/15
Chelsea High School in Massachusetts is around 90 percent Latino, and the city has been ground zero for ICE raids in the Boston area. On the 250th anniversary of America’s founding, we wanted to know how teachers were talking to their students about American history and how it relates to the American present. On this third and final installment of PATRIOTISM IS A VERB, host Anna Kusmer talks to Chelsea High history teacher Byron Williams about framing the complex history of the US to students and why the Declaration of Independence is still a radical document.  Email us at [email protected].

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4.3 out of 5
82 reviews
★★★★★
Old lady Marie 2025/06/02
Cancer podcasts
I learned a lot and appreciate you all sharing your experiences.
★★★★★
BakingNinja 2025/05/02
Great conversation
Really appreciated the first episode on cancer - hugely insightful, empathetic, and humane.
★★☆☆☆
Logical Thinker 2 2025/01/10
Mediocre Libs Without Insight
Tried to listen to the “war on the administrative state” episode. Recognizing that noted deep thinker Shirley Leung was absent, this one was really ba...
★★☆☆☆
Bcm7 2024/08/04
Not worth it
If you want to be lectured by a liberal who uses a lot of buzzwords this is the podcast for you!
★★★★★
HeatherSB_76 2024/05/27
Best host!
Excellent podcast. Shirley is a curious listener, and her questions are often exactly what I am wondering - except for when she’s a few steps ahead o...
★★★★★
JnE 2010 2024/03/16
Great podcast!
If you are a parent of boys, I highly recommend the Boys and Men Are Struggling episode. It definitely made me think differently about my parenting m...
★☆☆☆☆
737392943 2023/09/21
So boring
This podcast is so boring. I can’t imagine more than 10 people listen to it. I think it may have been canceled already.
★☆☆☆☆
P Cadogan 258 2023/09/14
Blowing smoke
Leftist views works for a left wing rag. If this is your thing great but know for lying the rag called the Boston Globe.
★★★★★
Hankstnch 2023/08/25
Kara Swisher
Shirley, excellent podcast with Kara Swisher!! Would love to hear from some local Pol’s…. Michelle W. Maura H. Elizabeth W. Joe M. Etc. We really lik...
★★★★★
Jim Quincy MA 2023/08/17
Superb insightful analysis and reporting
Shirley is a highly intelligent and skillful reporter and her interviews are always thoughtful and informative I really look forward to each podcast ...
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