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SaaS Metrics School

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352 episodes
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Ben Murray
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2023/07/14
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2026/02/06
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5 min.
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Ben Murray brings you actionable SaaS metrics lessons that he has learned through years of being in the SaaS CFO trenches. Whether you are new to SaaS or a SaaS veteran, learn the latest SaaS and AI metrics, finance, and accounting tactics that drive financial transparency and improved decision-making. Ben’s SaaS metrics blog consistently rates a 70+ NPS, and his templates have been downloaded over 100,000 times. There is always something to learn about SaaS and AI metrics.

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Stripe, MRR, and the Retention Metrics Nobody Warned You About
2026/02/06
In episode #352 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben explains why SaaS and AI founders need to get control of their Stripe data early — before transaction volume and product complexity make it unmanageable. Drawing on years of fractional CFO experience, he explains how messy Stripe data can undermine revenue accuracy, MRR schedules, retention metrics, and due diligence readiness if the data flow isn’t clearly mapped from day one. Resources Mentioned Ben’s 7th Annual Tech Stack Report: https://www.thesaascfo.com/surveys/finance-accounting-tech-stack-survey/ What You’ll Learn Why Stripe data becomes difficult to manage as transaction volume grows How Stripe feeds into revenue reporting, MRR schedules, and retention metrics What a “revenue by customer by month” (customer cube) actually requires How multiple product IDs and revenue types complicate Stripe reporting Why mapping payment, fee, and revenue flows early saves major cleanup later The role Stripe data plays in due diligence and investor scrutiny Why It Matters Stripe is often the source of truth for self-serve and PLG revenue Poorly mapped Stripe data makes MRR waterfalls and retention metrics unreliable Due diligence requires defensible revenue-by-customer schedules Fixing Stripe data problems later is far more expensive and time-consuming Clean Stripe flows enable accurate forecasting and financial clarity as you scale
The Difference Between Bookings, Invoices, and Revenue
2026/02/03
In episode #351 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben breaks down one of the most misunderstood areas of SaaS finance: the difference between bookings, invoices, and revenue. Using the SaaS revenue cycle as a framework, he explains how a signed contract flows through invoicing, revenue recognition, and ultimately cash collection — and why confusing these concepts leads to bad metrics, poor forecasting, and cash flow surprises. Resources Mentioned Blog post: https://www.thesaascfo.com/bookings-vs-invoicing-vs-revenue/ SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn What a booking actually represents in a SaaS or PLG business How bookings differ between sales-led and self-service models Why invoices are not the same as revenue under accrual accounting How deferred revenue works and why revenue must be recognized over time The full SaaS revenue cycle: bookings → invoices → revenue → cash Why understanding this flow is critical for financial modeling, forecasting, and cash flow planning Why It Matters Prevents overstating revenue or ARR in Board and investor reporting Improves accuracy in cash flow forecasting and runway planning Ensures go-to-market metrics like CAC payback and cost of ARR are built on the right data Reduces confusion between CRM data and accounting system source-of-truth Creates better alignment between finance, sales, and leadership teams
Can You Actually Prove the ROI of Customer Success?
2026/01/30
Justifying investment in customer success is far harder than justifying spend in sales and marketing. In episode #350, Ben walks through a practical framework for evaluating the ROI of customer success and retention programs by tying customer success investment directly to ARR, MRR, and revenue retention performance. Instead of relying on vague qualitative benefits, this episode outlines how finance and SaaS leaders can quantify retention improvements and translate them into real financial impact. Resources Mentioned Blog post on quantifying customer success and retention ROI: https://www.thesaascfo.com/quantifying-investments-in-customer-success-and-retention/ SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn Where customer success should be classified on the SaaS P&L (COGS vs. Sales) Why customer success ROI is harder to quantify than CAC or go-to-market efficiency How to use MRR and ARR waterfalls as the foundation for retention analysis The difference between gross revenue retention and net revenue retention in ROI modeling How expansion, contraction, and churn act as independent levers in retention A scenario-based approach to estimating ARR impact from retention improvements Why It Matters Helps justify customer success spend with real revenue and ARR impact Improves financial modeling and long-term financial strategy decisions Connects retention performance to unit economics and scalability Avoids over-investing in customer success without measurable outcomes Provides a clearer framework for board and investor discussions
The Pitfalls of Using Your CRM to Report Official ARR Numbers
2026/01/27
Many SaaS teams try to use their CRM to report ARR and MRR, but this creates serious risks—especially in forecasting, retention analysis, and due diligence. In episode #349, Ben explains why your CRM is rarely the correct source of truth for recurring revenue and where ARR should actually come from to ensure financial accuracy and credibility with investors and acquirers. Resources Mentioned How to Disclose ARR: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-numbers/ Ben's SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn Why CRM-based ARR reporting is often inaccurate and easy to break The difference between bookings data and revenue-based ARR What qualifies as a true source of truth for ARR and MRR How invoicing, revenue recognition, and the general ledger fit together Why CRM-reported ARR frequently fails under due diligence scrutiny When (and only when) a CRM can be trusted for recurring revenue metrics Why It Matters Prevents misleading ARR, MRR, and revenue metrics Ensures your financial systems can support investor and buyer diligence Reduces risk when calculating retention, CAC payback, and unit economics Improves confidence in Board reporting and long-term financial strategy  
Why a Perfect SaaS P&L Can Still Hide Serious Problems
2026/01/23
In episode #348 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray responds to a thoughtful LinkedIn comment that challenged a common assumption: that a well-structured SaaS P&L tells the whole story. While a properly built chart of accounts and SaaS P&L are foundational, Ben explains where hidden risks can still exist beneath clean financial statements. Using real-world examples from SaaS founders and finance teams, this episode explores how revenue commingling, misclassified expenses, role overlap, and customer concentration can quietly distort decision-making—despite an “immaculate” P&L. Resources Mentioned LinkedIn SaaS P&L Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/benrmurray_saas-activity-7418308514533552128-l2eG/ SaaS P&L Blog Post: SaaS Metrics Course:  What You’ll Learn Why a clean SaaS P&L can still hide structural business risk How revenue commingling and miscoding undermine financial clarity When and how to reclass employee costs across departments Why materiality matters more than perfection in early-stage accounting How customer concentration risk often surfaces late in due diligence Why It Matters A SaaS P&L is only as useful as the assumptions behind it Poor expense classification can distort margins and unit economics Misunderstanding departmental cost ownership leads to flawed decisions Customer concentration can materially impact valuation and investor confidence Strong financial systems require both structure and experienced oversight    
The Hidden Complexity Behind ARR Disclosures
2026/01/20
In episode #347 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray explores the lesser-discussed nuances behind ARR (Annual Recurring Revenue) disclosures. Building on the prior two episodes on ARR definitions and common disclosure mistakes, this discussion dives into the assumptions and gray areas that often underlie headline ARR numbers. Drawing on extensive research across public tech company filings, Ben explains how assumptions about renewals, timing, and grace periods can materially affect how ARR is interpreted by boards, investors, and acquirers. Resources Mentioned Blog post: In-depth analysis of ARR definitions and disclosure practices: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-numbers/ SaaS Metrics course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn Why most ARR definitions assume full renewal of existing contracts How ARR disclosures typically avoid assumptions around expansion, contraction, or churn Why ARR is almost always a point-in-time metric rather than a forecast Common disclaimers used to separate ARR from GAAP revenue and financial guidance How grace periods for contract renewals can materially affect reported ARR—and how some public companies quantify that risk Why It Matters ARR assumptions directly influence how investors assess revenue durability Poorly explained ARR nuances can create confusion during due diligence Grace periods can inflate perceived recurring revenue if not disclosed properly Transparent ARR disclosures strengthen credibility with boards and potential buyers A defensible ARR definition supports better financial strategy and valuation discussions    
Common ARR Disclosure Mistakes And How to Avoid Them
2026/01/18
In episode #346 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray breaks down the most common mistakes SaaS and AI companies make when disclosing their ARR (Annual Recurring Revenue). Building on the prior episode about the five questions every ARR definition must answer, this discussion focuses on where ARR disclosures go wrong—and why unclear definitions can damage credibility with investors, boards, and acquirers. Drawing from extensive research on public tech company filings and press releases, Ben explains how vague ARR definitions, hidden mechanics, and inconsistent methodologies create confusion and risk during fundraising, valuation discussions, and due diligence. Resources Mentioned Prior episode: The 5 Questions Your ARR Definition Must Answer SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation Blog post on ARR: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-number What You’ll Learn Why a company’s pricing model does not always match its ARR model The importance of clearly defining which revenue streams are included in ARR Common issues with vague annualization periods (monthly vs. quarterly vs. trailing periods) How poor disclosure of usage-based or variable revenue creates misleading ARR numbers Why ARR definition changes and restatements require clear explanation and transparency Why It Matters Clear ARR disclosure builds trust with investors, boards, and business leaders Poorly defined ARR can undermine company valuation and fundraising conversations Inconsistent ARR definitions make benchmarking and financial modeling unreliable Transparent ARR mechanics reduce follow-up questions during due diligence Strong financial strategy starts with defensible, repeatable revenue metrics  
Why ARR Is So Often Misstated: 5 Questions to Get It Right
2026/01/16
Defining ARR is getting harder—not easier—as SaaS, AI, usage-based pricing, and hybrid business models evolve. In episode #345 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray breaks down the five critical questions every ARR definition must answer to hold up with Boards, investors, and during due diligence. Drawing on extensive research into how public tech companies disclose ARR in press releases and SEC filings, Ben explains why ARR is not “dead” but why vague or inconsistent ARR definitions undermine credibility, comparability, and company valuation. This episode provides a practical framework to help SaaS leaders, CFOs, and founders clearly define ARR in a way that supports accurate metrics, financial modeling, and investor trust. Resources Mentioned Blog post on ARR definitions and disclosure best practices: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-numbers/ Ben's SaaS Metrics training: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation You’ll Learn The five questions every ARR definition must answer to be investor-ready Which revenue types belong in ARR—and which should be excluded The difference between revenue-based, contract-based, and hybrid ARR calculations How public SaaS and AI companies annualize subscription and usage-based revenue Common approaches for handling variable, consumption, and usage revenue in ARR Why vague ARR definitions create confusion in fundraising and due diligence Why It Matters Clear ARR definitions improve credibility with investors and business leaders Poorly defined ARR can negatively impact company valuation Consistent ARR logic enables better KPI tracking and benchmarking Transparent ARR disclosures reduce friction during fundraising and M&A Accurate ARR supports stronger financial strategy and forecasting Well-defined revenue categories improve accounting and financial systems  
How Public Tech Companies Are Categorizing ARR
2026/01/13
In episode #344 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray shares insights from his research into how public tech companies define and disclose ARR in press releases and SEC filings. By analyzing U.S. and global public companies, Ben identifies common ARR “buckets” and explains how different revenue models influence what gets included in ARR. Rather than debating whether ARR is “dead,” this episode focuses on how companies are actually reporting ARR today—and what private SaaS and AI companies can learn from those disclosures. Resources Mentioned Subscribe to Ben’s SaaS newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/df1db6bf8bca/the-saas-cfo-sign-up-landing-pageVerint (example of detailed SaaS and AI ARR disclosures): https://www.thesaascfo.com/ai-arr-vs-saas-arr-how-to-define-and-calculate/ What You’ll Learn The most common ARR buckets used by public SaaS and tech companies How pure subscription revenue is typically defined in ARR How companies handle variable revenue such as usage, transactions, and overages When managed services revenue is included in ARR—and when it isn’t Why purely usage-based companies rarely report ARR How revenue models and pricing structures shape ARR definitions What ARR disclosures signal to investors and the public markets Why It Matters ARR definitions directly impact how investors interpret growth Clear ARR buckets improve transparency and credibility Mixed revenue models require thoughtful ARR construction Public company disclosures set expectations for private companies Poor ARR definitions can confuse metrics, forecasting, and valuation Understanding ARR structure helps align finance, accounting, and reporting  
Demystifying SaaS Revenue: A Hierarchy for Predictability & Valuation
2026/01/10
In episode #343 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray demystifies SaaS revenue by breaking down the core revenue types that software, SaaS, and AI companies should be modeling on their P&L. Rather than focusing on labels, Ben explains why pricing models and revenue streams are the real drivers of financial clarity. He walks through the most common revenue categories—subscriptions, variable usage-based revenue, professional services, managed services, hardware, and other emerging models—and shows how proper revenue segmentation becomes the foundation for accurate retention metrics, forecasting, unit economics, and due diligence readiness. Resources Mentioned SaaS Metrics School framework: https://www.thesaascfo.com/scaling-with-confidence-the-ultimate-saas-metrics-playbook/ Concepts covered in Ben’s SaaS Metrics course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation MRR schedules & MRR waterfalls: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/offers/rJhZ6VdM/checkout  What You’ll Learn The core revenue categories every SaaS, software, and AI company should track How subscription and usage-based revenue differ financially Why overages must be separated from subscription revenue How revenue segmentation enables accurate MRR schedules and waterfalls Why retention should be calculated separately by revenue stream How revenue structure impacts forecasting accuracy How different revenue streams change CAC payback and LTV to CAC calculations Why clean revenue categorization simplifies due diligence Why It Matters Revenue segmentation is the foundation of accurate SaaS metrics MRR schedules and retention calculations depend on clean revenue data Forecasts are more reliable when built from revenue waterfalls Mixed revenue streams require adjusted CAC payback calculations Clear revenue structure improves investor and acquirer confidence Proper setup reduces friction during fundraising and exits  
Where is Your Cost of ARR Trending This Year?
2026/01/08
In episode #342 of SaaS Metric School, Ben breaks down the Cost of ARR metric and explains why it’s one of the most practical and revealing go-to-market efficiency metrics for 2026 planning. He covers where the metric originated, how to calculate it correctly, and how to use it to sanity-check forecasts and budgets. Ben walks through the three variations of Cost of ARR (blended, new, and expansion), explains why bookings data—not revenue—is required, and shows how benchmarking by ACV provides far more insight than aggregate benchmarks. Resources Mentioned Benchmarkit.ai for SaaS metrics benchmarks Cost of ARR framework: https://www.thesaascfo.com/saas-cac-ratio/ SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn What the Cost of ARR metric is and why it matters for SaaS and AI companies The difference between blended, new, and expansion Cost of ARR Why Cost of ARR must be based on bookings, not revenue How improper CAC allocation distorts Cost of ARR results How to use Cost of ARR to validate 2026 forecasts and budgets Why benchmarking by ACV size is more accurate than company size What top-quartile Cost of ARR performance looks like across ACV ranges Why It Matters Cost of ARR quickly exposes unrealistic bookings forecasts It connects sales and marketing spend directly to ARR outcomes The metric helps right-size go-to-market investment for 2026 ACV-based benchmarks prevent misleading efficiency comparisons Tracking trends over time highlights improving or degrading efficiency Cost of ARR works across PLG, sales-led, SaaS, and AI models  
The ROSE Metric is Your Key to Durable Growth in 2026
2025/12/31
In episode #341 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray explains why revenue per FTE is a misleading metric for modern SaaS and AI companies and introduces the ROSE metric (Return on SaaS Employees) as a more accurate way to measure durable scaling. Ben walks through how ROSE removes labor-cost bias, incorporates contractors and Agentic AI spend, and directly connects people investment to recurring revenue generation. He also shares practical benchmark ranges and explains how founders and finance teams should use ROSE when budgeting and forecasting for 2026. Resources Mentioned ROSE Metric Template: https://www.thesaascfo.com/saas-rose-metric/ ROSE Metric Bootcamp: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/offers/rJhZ6VdM What You’ll Learn Why revenue per FTE breaks down in global and AI-driven teams How the ROSE metric improves capital allocation decisions What costs should be included in ROSE ROSE benchmark ranges and how they map to profitability and cash burn How to interpret ROSE differently based on growth stage and company goals How to forecast ROSE using trailing and forward-looking time periods Why It Matters People and AI spend are the largest investments on a SaaS or AI P&L ROSE removes wage and geography bias from efficiency analysis The metric directly ties recurring revenue to capital deployed ROSE highlights whether headcount and AI investment are creating leverage Improving ROSE over time is critical for durable, profitable scaling Boards and investors care about efficiency trends, not just growth rates  
CFO Confidence at a 4 Year High
2025/12/28
In episode #340 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben breaks down what rising CFO confidence—now at a four-year high—means for SaaS and AI operators planning for the year ahead. Using insights from Deloitte’s latest CFO survey, Ben explains why optimism alone isn’t enough and why companies must pair confidence with strong financial systems, accurate forecasting, and reliable metrics. The conversation centers on how leaders should prepare for potential market upturns while still balancing growth, efficiency, and risk, especially in a fast-moving AI-driven environment. What You’ll Learn Key takeaways from Deloitte’s CFO confidence survey How CFO sentiment impacts budgeting, forecasting, and financial strategy Why cost management and productivity remain top priorities despite rising confidence The four critical SaaS finance data sources needed for reliable forecasting Why weak financial foundations limit decision-making and execution speed How proper revenue, bookings, and MRR data support long-term planning Why It Matters Higher confidence increases pressure to make faster, higher-stakes decisions Accurate financial modeling depends on clean accounting and revenue data Reliable MRR and bookings data enable realistic growth and ARR forecasts Strong financial systems help leaders respond quickly to market shifts Investors and boards expect disciplined planning, not optimism-driven projections SaaS and AI companies without solid data foundations struggle to scale efficiently Resources Mentioned Deloitte CFO Confidence Survey (via Ben’s newsletter): https://mailchi.mp/cd86087f90ac/cfo-confidence-at-highest-level-in-4-years SaaS Metrics Course at The SaaS Academy: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
Change of Control Provisions in Customer Contracts Can Kill Your Exit
2025/12/21
In episode #339 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben explains how change of control provisions in customer contracts can quietly derail due diligence, fundraising, or a future company exit. Drawing from real-world CFO experience and a recent webinar with a SaaS-focused tech attorney, Ben breaks down why seemingly standard legal language can introduce major risk into a SaaS company’s recurring revenue profile. Ben highlights how buyers and investors scrutinize customer contracts during due diligence—and why poorly structured MSAs can threaten valuation, increase churn risk, or even kill a deal outright. What You’ll Learn What a change of control provision is and why it matters How customer contracts are reviewed during SaaS due diligence Why change of control clauses can open the door to customer churn after an acquisition How procurement teams and customer legal teams typically push for these provisions When to push back, escalate, or seek alternative contract language Why contract structure is part of strong SaaS financial and operational readiness Why It Matters Customer contracts directly impact company valuation during an exit or fundraise Change of control provisions can trigger immediate churn risk post-acquisition Buyers want confidence in the durability of recurring revenue Poor legal hygiene can delay, discount, or kill a transaction Proactive contract review reduces future due diligence friction Strong back-office processes support long-term financial strategy and investor trust Resources Mentioned Webinar replay with Omid (tech attorney) on legal readiness for SaaS exits: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/pl/2148384654 SaaS Metrics course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
How to Call BS on Your 2026 Sales and Marketing Budget
2025/12/19
In episode #338 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben explains how to quickly sanity-check your sales and marketing forecast for the upcoming year using one high-signal SaaS metric: the Cost of ARR. As founders and CFOs finalize budgets, Ben shows how mismatches between projected bookings and planned go-to-market spend can reveal unrealistic assumptions before they turn into missed targets. Using simple examples, Ben walks through how the Cost of ARR connects sales and marketing spend, net new ARR bookings, and historical performance—making it one of the most effective tools for validating SaaS and AI company forecasts during budget season. What You’ll Learn How to use the Cost of ARR to validate your sales and marketing budget The relationship between sales and marketing spend and net new ARR bookings How to identify unrealistic growth assumptions in your forecast The difference between blended the Cost of ARR, Cost of New ARR, and Cost of Expansion ARR Why historical performance should anchor forward-looking forecasts How benchmarking by ACV and sales motion improves forecast accuracy Why It Matters Sales and marketing forecasts often fail because spend and bookings assumptions are disconnected Cost of ARR provides a mechanical reality check before committing to a budget Overly aggressive ARR targets can be identified early and corrected Underspending on go-to-market becomes visible when bookings expectations are too conservative Benchmarking against peers helps validate whether forecast assumptions are realistic Strong financial modeling and forecasting discipline improves board and investor confidence Resources Mentioned Cost of ARR metric framework: https://www.thesaascfo.com/saas-cac-ratio/ Benchmarking data from Ray Rike at Benchmarkit.ai Concepts from SaaS FP&A forecasting and go-to-market efficiency analysis: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation

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Stephanie Pitta 2024/05/22
SaaS metrics simplified
Ben does a great job breaking down SaaS metrics and making it look easy!
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EricEngelmann 2023/08/04
Quick, bite sized episodes for a critical topic
Ben does a great job breaking down the metrics for saas businesses into small pieces that are easy to understand and use in your business. Pro-tip: ...
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