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Ben Murray brings you actionable SaaS metrics lessons that he has learned through years of being in the SaaS CFO trenches. Whether you are new to SaaS or a SaaS veteran, learn the latest SaaS and AI metrics, finance, and accounting tactics that drive financial transparency and improved decision-making. Ben’s SaaS metrics blog consistently rates a 70+ NPS, and his templates have been downloaded over 100,000 times. There is always something to learn about SaaS and AI metrics.
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Stripe, MRR, and the Retention Metrics Nobody Warned You About
2026/02/06
In episode #352 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben explains why SaaS and AI founders need to get control of their Stripe data early — before transaction volume and product complexity make it unmanageable. Drawing on years of fractional CFO experience, he explains how messy Stripe data can undermine revenue accuracy, MRR schedules, retention metrics, and due diligence readiness if the data flow isn’t clearly mapped from day one.
Resources Mentioned
Ben’s 7th Annual Tech Stack Report: https://www.thesaascfo.com/surveys/finance-accounting-tech-stack-survey/
What You’ll Learn
Why Stripe data becomes difficult to manage as transaction volume grows
How Stripe feeds into revenue reporting, MRR schedules, and retention metrics
What a “revenue by customer by month” (customer cube) actually requires
How multiple product IDs and revenue types complicate Stripe reporting
Why mapping payment, fee, and revenue flows early saves major cleanup later
The role Stripe data plays in due diligence and investor scrutiny
Why It Matters
Stripe is often the source of truth for self-serve and PLG revenue
Poorly mapped Stripe data makes MRR waterfalls and retention metrics unreliable
Due diligence requires defensible revenue-by-customer schedules
Fixing Stripe data problems later is far more expensive and time-consuming
Clean Stripe flows enable accurate forecasting and financial clarity as you scale
The Difference Between Bookings, Invoices, and Revenue
2026/02/03
In episode #351 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben breaks down one of the most misunderstood areas of SaaS finance: the difference between bookings, invoices, and revenue. Using the SaaS revenue cycle as a framework, he explains how a signed contract flows through invoicing, revenue recognition, and ultimately cash collection — and why confusing these concepts leads to bad metrics, poor forecasting, and cash flow surprises.
Resources Mentioned
Blog post: https://www.thesaascfo.com/bookings-vs-invoicing-vs-revenue/
SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
What You’ll Learn
What a booking actually represents in a SaaS or PLG business
How bookings differ between sales-led and self-service models
Why invoices are not the same as revenue under accrual accounting
How deferred revenue works and why revenue must be recognized over time
The full SaaS revenue cycle: bookings → invoices → revenue → cash
Why understanding this flow is critical for financial modeling, forecasting, and cash flow planning
Why It Matters
Prevents overstating revenue or ARR in Board and investor reporting
Improves accuracy in cash flow forecasting and runway planning
Ensures go-to-market metrics like CAC payback and cost of ARR are built on the right data
Reduces confusion between CRM data and accounting system source-of-truth
Creates better alignment between finance, sales, and leadership teams
Can You Actually Prove the ROI of Customer Success?
2026/01/30
Justifying investment in customer success is far harder than justifying spend in sales and marketing. In episode #350, Ben walks through a practical framework for evaluating the ROI of customer success and retention programs by tying customer success investment directly to ARR, MRR, and revenue retention performance. Instead of relying on vague qualitative benefits, this episode outlines how finance and SaaS leaders can quantify retention improvements and translate them into real financial impact.
Resources Mentioned
Blog post on quantifying customer success and retention ROI: https://www.thesaascfo.com/quantifying-investments-in-customer-success-and-retention/
SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
What You’ll Learn
Where customer success should be classified on the SaaS P&L (COGS vs. Sales)
Why customer success ROI is harder to quantify than CAC or go-to-market efficiency
How to use MRR and ARR waterfalls as the foundation for retention analysis
The difference between gross revenue retention and net revenue retention in ROI modeling
How expansion, contraction, and churn act as independent levers in retention
A scenario-based approach to estimating ARR impact from retention improvements
Why It Matters
Helps justify customer success spend with real revenue and ARR impact
Improves financial modeling and long-term financial strategy decisions
Connects retention performance to unit economics and scalability
Avoids over-investing in customer success without measurable outcomes
Provides a clearer framework for board and investor discussions
The Pitfalls of Using Your CRM to Report Official ARR Numbers
2026/01/27
Many SaaS teams try to use their CRM to report ARR and MRR, but this creates serious risks—especially in forecasting, retention analysis, and due diligence. In episode #349, Ben explains why your CRM is rarely the correct source of truth for recurring revenue and where ARR should actually come from to ensure financial accuracy and credibility with investors and acquirers.
Resources Mentioned
How to Disclose ARR: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-numbers/
Ben's SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
What You’ll Learn
Why CRM-based ARR reporting is often inaccurate and easy to break
The difference between bookings data and revenue-based ARR
What qualifies as a true source of truth for ARR and MRR
How invoicing, revenue recognition, and the general ledger fit together
Why CRM-reported ARR frequently fails under due diligence scrutiny
When (and only when) a CRM can be trusted for recurring revenue metrics
Why It Matters
Prevents misleading ARR, MRR, and revenue metrics
Ensures your financial systems can support investor and buyer diligence
Reduces risk when calculating retention, CAC payback, and unit economics
Improves confidence in Board reporting and long-term financial strategy
Why a Perfect SaaS P&L Can Still Hide Serious Problems
2026/01/23
In episode #348 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray responds to a thoughtful LinkedIn comment that challenged a common assumption: that a well-structured SaaS P&L tells the whole story. While a properly built chart of accounts and SaaS P&L are foundational, Ben explains where hidden risks can still exist beneath clean financial statements.
Using real-world examples from SaaS founders and finance teams, this episode explores how revenue commingling, misclassified expenses, role overlap, and customer concentration can quietly distort decision-making—despite an “immaculate” P&L.
Resources Mentioned
LinkedIn SaaS P&L Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/benrmurray_saas-activity-7418308514533552128-l2eG/
SaaS P&L Blog Post:
SaaS Metrics Course:
What You’ll Learn
Why a clean SaaS P&L can still hide structural business risk
How revenue commingling and miscoding undermine financial clarity
When and how to reclass employee costs across departments
Why materiality matters more than perfection in early-stage accounting
How customer concentration risk often surfaces late in due diligence
Why It Matters
A SaaS P&L is only as useful as the assumptions behind it
Poor expense classification can distort margins and unit economics
Misunderstanding departmental cost ownership leads to flawed decisions
Customer concentration can materially impact valuation and investor confidence
Strong financial systems require both structure and experienced oversight
The Hidden Complexity Behind ARR Disclosures
2026/01/20
In episode #347 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray explores the lesser-discussed nuances behind ARR (Annual Recurring Revenue) disclosures. Building on the prior two episodes on ARR definitions and common disclosure mistakes, this discussion dives into the assumptions and gray areas that often underlie headline ARR numbers.
Drawing on extensive research across public tech company filings, Ben explains how assumptions about renewals, timing, and grace periods can materially affect how ARR is interpreted by boards, investors, and acquirers.
Resources Mentioned
Blog post: In-depth analysis of ARR definitions and disclosure practices: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-numbers/
SaaS Metrics course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
What You’ll Learn
Why most ARR definitions assume full renewal of existing contracts
How ARR disclosures typically avoid assumptions around expansion, contraction, or churn
Why ARR is almost always a point-in-time metric rather than a forecast
Common disclaimers used to separate ARR from GAAP revenue and financial guidance
How grace periods for contract renewals can materially affect reported ARR—and how some public companies quantify that risk
Why It Matters
ARR assumptions directly influence how investors assess revenue durability
Poorly explained ARR nuances can create confusion during due diligence
Grace periods can inflate perceived recurring revenue if not disclosed properly
Transparent ARR disclosures strengthen credibility with boards and potential buyers
A defensible ARR definition supports better financial strategy and valuation discussions
Common ARR Disclosure Mistakes And How to Avoid Them
2026/01/18
In episode #346 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray breaks down the most common mistakes SaaS and AI companies make when disclosing their ARR (Annual Recurring Revenue). Building on the prior episode about the five questions every ARR definition must answer, this discussion focuses on where ARR disclosures go wrong—and why unclear definitions can damage credibility with investors, boards, and acquirers.
Drawing from extensive research on public tech company filings and press releases, Ben explains how vague ARR definitions, hidden mechanics, and inconsistent methodologies create confusion and risk during fundraising, valuation discussions, and due diligence.
Resources Mentioned
Prior episode: The 5 Questions Your ARR Definition Must Answer
SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
Blog post on ARR: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-number
What You’ll Learn
Why a company’s pricing model does not always match its ARR model
The importance of clearly defining which revenue streams are included in ARR
Common issues with vague annualization periods (monthly vs. quarterly vs. trailing periods)
How poor disclosure of usage-based or variable revenue creates misleading ARR numbers
Why ARR definition changes and restatements require clear explanation and transparency
Why It Matters
Clear ARR disclosure builds trust with investors, boards, and business leaders
Poorly defined ARR can undermine company valuation and fundraising conversations
Inconsistent ARR definitions make benchmarking and financial modeling unreliable
Transparent ARR mechanics reduce follow-up questions during due diligence
Strong financial strategy starts with defensible, repeatable revenue metrics
Why ARR Is So Often Misstated: 5 Questions to Get It Right
2026/01/16
Defining ARR is getting harder—not easier—as SaaS, AI, usage-based pricing, and hybrid business models evolve. In episode #345 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray breaks down the five critical questions every ARR definition must answer to hold up with Boards, investors, and during due diligence.
Drawing on extensive research into how public tech companies disclose ARR in press releases and SEC filings, Ben explains why ARR is not “dead” but why vague or inconsistent ARR definitions undermine credibility, comparability, and company valuation. This episode provides a practical framework to help SaaS leaders, CFOs, and founders clearly define ARR in a way that supports accurate metrics, financial modeling, and investor trust.
Resources Mentioned
Blog post on ARR definitions and disclosure best practices: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-numbers/
Ben's SaaS Metrics training: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
You’ll Learn
The five questions every ARR definition must answer to be investor-ready
Which revenue types belong in ARR—and which should be excluded
The difference between revenue-based, contract-based, and hybrid ARR calculations
How public SaaS and AI companies annualize subscription and usage-based revenue
Common approaches for handling variable, consumption, and usage revenue in ARR
Why vague ARR definitions create confusion in fundraising and due diligence
Why It Matters
Clear ARR definitions improve credibility with investors and business leaders
Poorly defined ARR can negatively impact company valuation
Consistent ARR logic enables better KPI tracking and benchmarking
Transparent ARR disclosures reduce friction during fundraising and M&A
Accurate ARR supports stronger financial strategy and forecasting
Well-defined revenue categories improve accounting and financial systems
How Public Tech Companies Are Categorizing ARR
2026/01/13
In episode #344 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray shares insights from his research into how public tech companies define and disclose ARR in press releases and SEC filings. By analyzing U.S. and global public companies, Ben identifies common ARR “buckets” and explains how different revenue models influence what gets included in ARR.
Rather than debating whether ARR is “dead,” this episode focuses on how companies are actually reporting ARR today—and what private SaaS and AI companies can learn from those disclosures.
Resources Mentioned
Subscribe to Ben’s SaaS newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/df1db6bf8bca/the-saas-cfo-sign-up-landing-pageVerint (example of detailed SaaS and AI ARR disclosures): https://www.thesaascfo.com/ai-arr-vs-saas-arr-how-to-define-and-calculate/
What You’ll Learn
The most common ARR buckets used by public SaaS and tech companies
How pure subscription revenue is typically defined in ARR
How companies handle variable revenue such as usage, transactions, and overages
When managed services revenue is included in ARR—and when it isn’t
Why purely usage-based companies rarely report ARR
How revenue models and pricing structures shape ARR definitions
What ARR disclosures signal to investors and the public markets
Why It Matters
ARR definitions directly impact how investors interpret growth
Clear ARR buckets improve transparency and credibility
Mixed revenue models require thoughtful ARR construction
Public company disclosures set expectations for private companies
Poor ARR definitions can confuse metrics, forecasting, and valuation
Understanding ARR structure helps align finance, accounting, and reporting
Demystifying SaaS Revenue: A Hierarchy for Predictability & Valuation
2026/01/10
In episode #343 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray demystifies SaaS revenue by breaking down the core revenue types that software, SaaS, and AI companies should be modeling on their P&L. Rather than focusing on labels, Ben explains why pricing models and revenue streams are the real drivers of financial clarity.
He walks through the most common revenue categories—subscriptions, variable usage-based revenue, professional services, managed services, hardware, and other emerging models—and shows how proper revenue segmentation becomes the foundation for accurate retention metrics, forecasting, unit economics, and due diligence readiness.
Resources Mentioned
SaaS Metrics School framework: https://www.thesaascfo.com/scaling-with-confidence-the-ultimate-saas-metrics-playbook/
Concepts covered in Ben’s SaaS Metrics course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
MRR schedules & MRR waterfalls: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/offers/rJhZ6VdM/checkout
What You’ll Learn
The core revenue categories every SaaS, software, and AI company should track
How subscription and usage-based revenue differ financially
Why overages must be separated from subscription revenue
How revenue segmentation enables accurate MRR schedules and waterfalls
Why retention should be calculated separately by revenue stream
How revenue structure impacts forecasting accuracy
How different revenue streams change CAC payback and LTV to CAC calculations
Why clean revenue categorization simplifies due diligence
Why It Matters
Revenue segmentation is the foundation of accurate SaaS metrics
MRR schedules and retention calculations depend on clean revenue data
Forecasts are more reliable when built from revenue waterfalls
Mixed revenue streams require adjusted CAC payback calculations
Clear revenue structure improves investor and acquirer confidence
Proper setup reduces friction during fundraising and exits
Where is Your Cost of ARR Trending This Year?
2026/01/08
In episode #342 of SaaS Metric School, Ben breaks down the Cost of ARR metric and explains why it’s one of the most practical and revealing go-to-market efficiency metrics for 2026 planning. He covers where the metric originated, how to calculate it correctly, and how to use it to sanity-check forecasts and budgets.
Ben walks through the three variations of Cost of ARR (blended, new, and expansion), explains why bookings data—not revenue—is required, and shows how benchmarking by ACV provides far more insight than aggregate benchmarks.
Resources Mentioned
Benchmarkit.ai for SaaS metrics benchmarks
Cost of ARR framework: https://www.thesaascfo.com/saas-cac-ratio/
SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
What You’ll Learn
What the Cost of ARR metric is and why it matters for SaaS and AI companies
The difference between blended, new, and expansion Cost of ARR
Why Cost of ARR must be based on bookings, not revenue
How improper CAC allocation distorts Cost of ARR results
How to use Cost of ARR to validate 2026 forecasts and budgets
Why benchmarking by ACV size is more accurate than company size
What top-quartile Cost of ARR performance looks like across ACV ranges
Why It Matters
Cost of ARR quickly exposes unrealistic bookings forecasts
It connects sales and marketing spend directly to ARR outcomes
The metric helps right-size go-to-market investment for 2026
ACV-based benchmarks prevent misleading efficiency comparisons
Tracking trends over time highlights improving or degrading efficiency
Cost of ARR works across PLG, sales-led, SaaS, and AI models
The ROSE Metric is Your Key to Durable Growth in 2026
2025/12/31
In episode #341 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray explains why revenue per FTE is a misleading metric for modern SaaS and AI companies and introduces the ROSE metric (Return on SaaS Employees) as a more accurate way to measure durable scaling.
Ben walks through how ROSE removes labor-cost bias, incorporates contractors and Agentic AI spend, and directly connects people investment to recurring revenue generation. He also shares practical benchmark ranges and explains how founders and finance teams should use ROSE when budgeting and forecasting for 2026.
Resources Mentioned
ROSE Metric Template: https://www.thesaascfo.com/saas-rose-metric/
ROSE Metric Bootcamp: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/offers/rJhZ6VdM
What You’ll Learn
Why revenue per FTE breaks down in global and AI-driven teams
How the ROSE metric improves capital allocation decisions
What costs should be included in ROSE
ROSE benchmark ranges and how they map to profitability and cash burn
How to interpret ROSE differently based on growth stage and company goals
How to forecast ROSE using trailing and forward-looking time periods
Why It Matters
People and AI spend are the largest investments on a SaaS or AI P&L
ROSE removes wage and geography bias from efficiency analysis
The metric directly ties recurring revenue to capital deployed
ROSE highlights whether headcount and AI investment are creating leverage
Improving ROSE over time is critical for durable, profitable scaling
Boards and investors care about efficiency trends, not just growth rates
CFO Confidence at a 4 Year High
2025/12/28
In episode #340 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben breaks down what rising CFO confidence—now at a four-year high—means for SaaS and AI operators planning for the year ahead. Using insights from Deloitte’s latest CFO survey, Ben explains why optimism alone isn’t enough and why companies must pair confidence with strong financial systems, accurate forecasting, and reliable metrics.
The conversation centers on how leaders should prepare for potential market upturns while still balancing growth, efficiency, and risk, especially in a fast-moving AI-driven environment.
What You’ll Learn
Key takeaways from Deloitte’s CFO confidence survey
How CFO sentiment impacts budgeting, forecasting, and financial strategy
Why cost management and productivity remain top priorities despite rising confidence
The four critical SaaS finance data sources needed for reliable forecasting
Why weak financial foundations limit decision-making and execution speed
How proper revenue, bookings, and MRR data support long-term planning
Why It Matters
Higher confidence increases pressure to make faster, higher-stakes decisions
Accurate financial modeling depends on clean accounting and revenue data
Reliable MRR and bookings data enable realistic growth and ARR forecasts
Strong financial systems help leaders respond quickly to market shifts
Investors and boards expect disciplined planning, not optimism-driven projections
SaaS and AI companies without solid data foundations struggle to scale efficiently
Resources Mentioned
Deloitte CFO Confidence Survey (via Ben’s newsletter): https://mailchi.mp/cd86087f90ac/cfo-confidence-at-highest-level-in-4-years
SaaS Metrics Course at The SaaS Academy: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
Change of Control Provisions in Customer Contracts Can Kill Your Exit
2025/12/21
In episode #339 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben explains how change of control provisions in customer contracts can quietly derail due diligence, fundraising, or a future company exit. Drawing from real-world CFO experience and a recent webinar with a SaaS-focused tech attorney, Ben breaks down why seemingly standard legal language can introduce major risk into a SaaS company’s recurring revenue profile.
Ben highlights how buyers and investors scrutinize customer contracts during due diligence—and why poorly structured MSAs can threaten valuation, increase churn risk, or even kill a deal outright.
What You’ll Learn
What a change of control provision is and why it matters
How customer contracts are reviewed during SaaS due diligence
Why change of control clauses can open the door to customer churn after an acquisition
How procurement teams and customer legal teams typically push for these provisions
When to push back, escalate, or seek alternative contract language
Why contract structure is part of strong SaaS financial and operational readiness
Why It Matters
Customer contracts directly impact company valuation during an exit or fundraise
Change of control provisions can trigger immediate churn risk post-acquisition
Buyers want confidence in the durability of recurring revenue
Poor legal hygiene can delay, discount, or kill a transaction
Proactive contract review reduces future due diligence friction
Strong back-office processes support long-term financial strategy and investor trust
Resources Mentioned
Webinar replay with Omid (tech attorney) on legal readiness for SaaS exits: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/pl/2148384654
SaaS Metrics course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
How to Call BS on Your 2026 Sales and Marketing Budget
2025/12/19
In episode #338 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben explains how to quickly sanity-check your sales and marketing forecast for the upcoming year using one high-signal SaaS metric: the Cost of ARR. As founders and CFOs finalize budgets, Ben shows how mismatches between projected bookings and planned go-to-market spend can reveal unrealistic assumptions before they turn into missed targets.
Using simple examples, Ben walks through how the Cost of ARR connects sales and marketing spend, net new ARR bookings, and historical performance—making it one of the most effective tools for validating SaaS and AI company forecasts during budget season.
What You’ll Learn
How to use the Cost of ARR to validate your sales and marketing budget
The relationship between sales and marketing spend and net new ARR bookings
How to identify unrealistic growth assumptions in your forecast
The difference between blended the Cost of ARR, Cost of New ARR, and Cost of Expansion ARR
Why historical performance should anchor forward-looking forecasts
How benchmarking by ACV and sales motion improves forecast accuracy
Why It Matters
Sales and marketing forecasts often fail because spend and bookings assumptions are disconnected
Cost of ARR provides a mechanical reality check before committing to a budget
Overly aggressive ARR targets can be identified early and corrected
Underspending on go-to-market becomes visible when bookings expectations are too conservative
Benchmarking against peers helps validate whether forecast assumptions are realistic
Strong financial modeling and forecasting discipline improves board and investor confidence
Resources Mentioned
Cost of ARR metric framework: https://www.thesaascfo.com/saas-cac-ratio/
Benchmarking data from Ray Rike at Benchmarkit.ai
Concepts from SaaS FP&A forecasting and go-to-market efficiency analysis: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation
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Ben does a great job breaking down SaaS metrics and making it look easy!
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Quick, bite sized episodes for a critical topic
Ben does a great job breaking down the metrics for saas businesses into small pieces that are easy to understand and use in your business.
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