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#109 - Dan Brunner - Commonwealth Fusion - Is fusion still 20 years away?
2026/10/06
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🌊 When Does Fusion Actually Become a Business?
Fusion is getting closer to producing net energy. The harder question is whether it can ever produce cheap electricity.
We’re joined by Dan Brunner, co-founder and former CTO of Commonwealth Fusion Systems, one of the companies at the forefront of the race to commercial fusion.
CFS has raised billions of dollars, signed power agreements with customers including Google, and is building SPARC, its machine designed to demonstrate net fusion energy.
But proving fusion works is only one step.
As Dan puts it, there’s ultimately another Q that matters: the dollar Q.
Can a fusion plant produce more money than it costs to build, operate, maintain, and continuously repair?
In this episode, we go from the basic physics of fusion all the way to the economics of a commercial power plant.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ What Q actually means — scientific Q, engineering Q and ultimately dollar Q
→ Why tokamaks may be the first fusion technology to put electricity on the grid
→ How high-temperature superconductors changed the economics of fusion
→ Why tritium supply and breeding could become a critical constraint
→ The overlooked problem of materials being bombarded by fusion neutrons
→ Why component lifetime and plant availability may determine whether fusion is economical
→ Whether fusion can ever compete with fission on cost
→ Why the first customers are likely to be Google, Microsoft and other power-hungry companies
→ Where early-stage investors can still play through fusion picks and shovels
→ Why SPARC achieving net energy could trigger a new wave of investment into the industry
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#108 - Josh Western - Space Forge - Growing materials in space
2026/10/01
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🌊 Manufacturing in Space
Why the next generation of advanced materials might be made 500 km above Earth.
We’re joined by Josh Western, co-founder and CEO of Space Forge, a UK company building spacecraft to manufacture advanced materials in space — and bring them back to Earth.
The idea sounds almost absurd at first.
Why launch something into orbit just to manufacture a few grams of material?
Because space gives manufacturers something Earth can’t: microgravity, ultra-high vacuum, and extreme temperatures. For certain advanced materials, especially compound semiconductors, those conditions could produce dramatically higher-quality crystals.
And Space Forge doesn’t need to manufacture an entire chip in orbit.
The company wants to produce the seed crystal in space, return it to Earth, then use conventional semiconductor infrastructure to scale it. Josh says one seed crystal could ultimately support the production of more than one million chips on Earth.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ Why Earth is actually a difficult place to manufacture ultra-pure materials
→ How a few grams produced in space could enable millions of semiconductor chips
→ Why Space Forge built both its own semiconductor reactor and reusable spacecraft
→ Whether launch costs actually break the economics of in-space manufacturing
→ Why regulation and customs may be a bigger bottleneck than technology
→ How better semiconductors could reduce energy consumption
→ Why Space Forge sees space manufacturing as part of Europe’s reindustrialisation
→ What could come after semiconductors: solar cells, metals, graphene and batteries
Perhaps the most interesting idea is that space doesn’t need to replace terrestrial manufacturing. It could simply become another industrial environment, used for the handful of manufacturing steps where Earth’s atmosphere and gravity become constraints.
Josh’s ambition is for that idea to eventually become boring.
Because by then, manufacturing materials in space would simply be another part of the industrial toolkit.
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#107 - Julia Padberg - SET Ventures - "The energy transition is not a technology challenge"
2026/09/22
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🌊 Orchestrating the Energy Transition
Why the biggest opportunity in energy may not be inventing new technology, but making the entire system work better.
We’re joined by Julia Padberg, Partner at SET Ventures, one of Europe’s longest-standing specialist energytech investors. SET has been investing in the energy transition since 2007 — long before power became one of venture capital’s hottest markets.
In this episode, we unpack what nearly two decades of energy investing teaches you about building enduring venture returns — and why Julia believes the energy transition is increasingly an integration challenge, not a technology challenge.
As more investors rush into power, SET is taking a different approach: staying disciplined on valuations, backing companies that own critical customer interfaces, and looking for the orchestrators capable of connecting software, hardware, assets and capital.
We also dive into one of the most interesting emerging models in climate venture: blended capital. Companies such as Decade Energy and Enrise can use infrastructure financing for physical assets while venture capital funds the technology and operating company — potentially allowing them to scale physical infrastructure without destroying venture-level returns.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ How do you build a venture firm that lasts? Why SET’s longevity comes down to specialization, network, discipline and becoming a trusted partner to both founders and LPs.
→ Why everyone suddenly wants to invest in power. Energy security, electrification and sustainability are converging — but more capital also means higher valuations and more competition.
→ Why SET doesn’t chase the hype. Entry valuation still matters in a European energy market where unicorn exits remain relatively rare.
→ The real bottleneck in the energy transition. Julia argues that we already know how to make solar panels, batteries and EVs cheaper. The next challenge is coordinating millions of distributed energy assets.
→ Why orchestration could create the biggest companies. The winners may be businesses that combine software, hardware, financing and services into one simple customer proposition.
→ Can flexibility markets become overcrowded? Julia explains why the absolute volume of flexibility needed could continue increasing as intermittent renewable generation grows.
→ The rise of blended capital models. How venture-backed companies can separate their technology stack from their capital stack using SPVs and infrastructure financing.
→ Why infrastructure capital can actually increase venture returns. Rather than forcing VCs to fund batteries, solar or charging infrastructure, asset financing can remove one of the biggest constraints on scaling.
→ Where AI fits into energy. From biodiversity monitoring around wind farms to infrastructure operations, Julia sees opportunities for AI to replace expensive legacy systems with cheaper, more intelligent solutions.
→ Energy security is becoming an investment category. Cybersecurity, physical infrastructure monitoring and decentralised energy systems are moving higher on the agenda.
→ Europe’s fragmentation is both a problem and a moat. Different regulations, grids and market structures make expansion harder — but companies that learn to navigate that complexity can build powerful competitive advantages.
→ Why European startups don’t always need to internationalise immediately. In enormous energy markets such as Germany, owning a large portion of the value chain can create very large businesses without expanding into ten countries from day one.
And Julia leaves us with three lessons from a decade of investing:
1. The energy transition is an integration challenge.System integration and great business models can matter more than another silver-bullet technology.
2. Value capture matters as much as value creation.Creating value for the energy system isn’t enough — the best businesses position themselves at critical interfaces where they can actually capture it.
3. The best founders make complexity feel simple.Customers don’t want to understand every layer of the energy system. They want a solution that saves money, removes friction and makes saying yes obvious.
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#106 - Dinesh Ganesan - Arctern - Climate Investing in the Age of Compute
2026/09/10
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🌊 Financing the Hardware Era
Why climate founders need to stop treating equity as the default way to pay for CapEx.
We’re joined by William Godfrey of Tangible, who has spent the past few years developing a thesis around how climate and hardtech founders should combine equity, debt, equipment finance, asset-backed lending, project finance, and other forms of capital.
Because one thing is becoming increasingly clear:
We’re not going to solve climate change through software alone.
Climate companies need factories. Equipment. Batteries. Robots. Infrastructure. Physical assets.
And financing all of that with venture equity can become an extraordinarily expensive mistake.
In this episode, we go deep on how founders should actually finance capital-intensive growth — and why the best climate companies may increasingly need to become as sophisticated at financial engineering as they are at technical engineering.
One framework from William stuck with me:
Equity is for uncertainty. Debt is for repeatability.
Equity makes sense when you’re funding something that has never been done before: R&D, prototypes, first-of-a-kind technology, new teams and markets.
But once you’re repeatedly deploying an asset with increasingly predictable economics, a different pool of capital becomes available.
And learning how to access it can fundamentally change the economics of the company. Listen to this episode to learn more or read this guide by Tangible.
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#105 - Steve Kloos - Burnt Island Ventures - “It's All One Water”
2026/09/09
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🌊 Water’s Mispriced Opportunity
Why one of the world’s most essential markets may also be one of venture capital’s most overlooked.
Ahead of The Drop in Malmö, we’re joined by Steve Kloos, Partner at Burnt Island Ventures, a venture firm dedicated exclusively to investing in water technologies.
Water is foundational to life, and to the economy. Yet despite roughly $1.6 trillion in annual global spending, Steve argues it remains surprisingly underinvested by venture capital.
In this episode, we approach water almost like a course: starting with the fundamentals, mapping the biggest problems and technologies, and asking a more provocative question:
Could water actually be one of the more compelling venture categories today?
Steve’s thesis comes down to a simple dynamic: entry valuations remain relatively reasonable, while the exit market is getting stronger. At the same time, climate change, industrial demand and water scarcity are forcing customers to spend.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ Why water is becoming impossible to ignore, from droughts and floods to industrial growth increasingly constrained by water availability.
→ Why water has historically struggled to attract venture capital, and why Steve believes the market is beginning to shift.
→ The “buy low, sell high” thesis for water, including why entry valuations can still be significantly lower than in hotter categories such as energy, AI or robotics.
→ Why exits may matter more than IPOs, and how strategic buyers and private equity are acquiring emerging water-tech winners before they reach the public markets.
→ Where the opportunities are today, advanced treatment, desalination and reuse, software, sensing, industrial water, insurance and climate resilience.
→ Why industrial demand could become a major driver, particularly in semiconductors and other manufacturing processes requiring large volumes of ultrapure water.
→ Where investors can get caught by hype, from ballast water to large-scale atmospheric water generation.
→ How desalination could evolve, including subsea approaches designed to reduce energy consumption and environmental impact.
Steve also walks through Burnt Island’s own experience. Its 2021 vintage Fund I made 18 investments and has already recorded three exits, including SewerAI, while beginning to return cash to investors.
The broader argument is simple:
Water may still look like a difficult, specialised category from the outside. But that complexity may be exactly why the opportunity remains underpriced.
And as Steve puts it, the picture is becoming more obvious.
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#104 - William Godfrey - Tangible - CapEx Financing 101
2026/09/08
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🌊 Financing the Hardware Era
Why climate founders need to stop treating equity as the default way to pay for CapEx.
We’re joined by William Godfrey of Tangible, who has spent the past few years developing a thesis around how climate and hardtech founders should combine equity, debt, equipment finance, asset-backed lending, project finance, and other forms of capital.
Because one thing is becoming increasingly clear:
We’re not going to solve climate change through software alone.
Climate companies need factories. Equipment. Batteries. Robots. Infrastructure. Physical assets.
And financing all of that with venture equity can become an extraordinarily expensive mistake.
In this episode, we go deep on how founders should actually finance capital-intensive growth — and why the best climate companies may increasingly need to become as sophisticated at financial engineering as they are at technical engineering.
One framework from William stuck with me:
Equity is for uncertainty. Debt is for repeatability.
Equity makes sense when you’re funding something that has never been done before: R&D, prototypes, first-of-a-kind technology, new teams and markets.
But once you’re repeatedly deploying an asset with increasingly predictable economics, a different pool of capital becomes available.
And learning how to access it can fundamentally change the economics of the company. Listen to this episode to learn more or read this guide by Tangible.
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#103 - EDF, HTGF, Tetmet - Can Startups Reindustrialise Europe?
2026/07/21
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👉 Europe cannot rebuild the past
Reindustrialisation does not mean bringing back the factories Europe lost in the 1980s and 1990s. With high energy prices, material dependencies, labour shortages, and fragile supply chains, Europe needs a fundamentally different model: cleaner, more automated, less resource-intensive, and more flexible.
👉 Startups don’t need more pilots. They need venture customers
A startup cannot rebuild European industry alone. Neither can a corporate or a VC. The real unlock could be a three-way alliance: startups create the technology, investors finance the risk, and venture customers provide credibility, industrial access, and a path to scale.
But are corporates prepared to make bold commitments, or will startups remain trapped in endless €10K pilot projects?
👉 Europe has a speed problem
European founders are asked for three years of factory data before building their first factory. American investors ask whether the same technology could work in space.
Europe has grants, engineering talent, and political ambition. What it lacks is faster capital, simpler programmes, unified rules, and a greater willingness to back step changes rather than incremental improvements.
The cost of moving too slowly? Europe’s most ambitious companies, and their factories, may be financed and built elsewhere.
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References
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European Innovation Council funding programmes
Europe’s net-zero manufacturing capacity objectives
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Wave Makers
Dr. Anne Umbach — HTGFMichel Hunsicker — EDF Pulse VenturesTom Vroemen — TETMET
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Chapters
(00:00) Can startups help Europe reindustrialise?(01:05) What reindustrialisation actually means(03:20) The factory of the future(09:15) Does Europe need to own its industrial infrastructure?(12:30) The role startups should play(15:40) What makes an industrial startup VC-backable?(21:35) Europe’s capital gap—and the American comparison(26:30) Venture customers as the missing unlock(31:35) How EDF helps startups cross the industrialisation gap(34:25) Grants, bureaucracy, and Europe’s fragmented programmes(37:10) Bold bets versus techno-economic reality(41:20) Will customers pay a European premium?(43:35) Is Europe on track for 2030?(48:20) One wish to accelerate European industry
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#102 - Marco Bertone - Syntetica - Nylon's dirty secret
2026/07/16
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🌊 Can Fashion Break Free From Fossil Fuels?
How Syntetica plans to turn the textile industry’s most complex waste into a scalable source of new materials.
We’re joined by Marco Bertone, CEO and co-founder of Syntetica, a circular chemistry company building technology to recycle blended nylon waste.
Fresh off a $30 million funding round, Marco is working on a problem few companies have been able to solve: recovering high-quality nylon from garments made with multiple fibres, colours and coatings.
The scale of the challenge is difficult to ignore.
More than 100 billion garments are produced every year. Many are worn only seven to ten times, while roughly 92 billion garments end up in landfill or incineration.
In this episode, we unpack why the textile recycling system remains fundamentally broken — and what it takes to build a circular alternative that can compete with fossil-based materials on quality, performance and price.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ Why fast fashion created a waste problem that consumer behaviour alone will not solve
→ Why blended fabrics make textile recycling radically more difficult than recycling bottles
→ How Syntetica separates nylon 6 and nylon 6,6 from cotton, polyester, elastane and coatings
→ Why low-temperature, low-pressure chemistry could unlock competitive unit economics
→ What it takes to finance a first-of-a-kind chemical facility
→ How partnerships with Michelin, Lululemon, Uniqlo, MAS Holdings and other industry players help de-risk the path to scale
→ Why recycled materials must reach price parity with virgin nylon to become truly mainstream
Marco also shares what he had to learn moving from marketing into chemistry, industrial operations and project finance — and why the long-term ambition extends far beyond textiles.
The bigger goal: prove that a century of fossil-based production can be replaced by genuinely scalable circular technology.
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#101 - Juan Nieto - Zacua VC - "Cement is the world's 3rd largest emitter"
2026/07/14
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🌊 The Next Climate Wave Is Built, Not Coded
Why decarbonizing the physical world requires better materials, specialist investors, patient capital, and a new approach to industrial adoption.
We’re joined by Juan Nieto of Zacua Ventures, an investor focused on the technologies reshaping construction, infrastructure, real estate, and the wider built environment.
Juan began his career as a civil engineer before moving into private markets and later joining Cemex’s corporate venture capital team. There, he saw firsthand that many of the technologies needed to decarbonize construction simply did not exist yet.
That realization eventually led him to help build Zacua Ventures: a specialist investment platform connecting ambitious founders with some of the world’s largest construction and industrial companies.
In this episode, we explore why the built environment represents one of climate tech’s largest, and most difficult, opportunities.
Construction is responsible for a major share of global emissions. But replacing cement, steel, insulation, and other foundational materials is not as simple as producing a better result in a laboratory.
A startup must meet strict performance standards, navigate regulation, integrate into deeply entrenched supply chains, win the trust of conservative buyers, finance industrial production, and prove that its technology works repeatedly in the real world.
The opportunity is enormous. So is the execution risk.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ Why cement is so difficult to decarbonize
→ What is really pushing construction companies to change
→ Why a superior material is not enough
→ How startups can compete with industrial incumbents
→ Why industrial scaling cannot follow the SaaS playbook
→ Where Juan sees the strongest material opportunities
→ Why specialist investors may see the next wave earlier
→ How AI is redirecting capital toward the physical world
→ Where robotics meets climate and construction
→ Why construction innovation is ultimately a humanitarian issue
Juan’s central message is clear:
The physical world will not decarbonize through one breakthrough material or one category-defining startup.
It will require coordinated progress across materials, energy, robotics, financing, regulation, industrial production, and customer adoption.
The next generation should not inherit a world where basic housing, clean water, electricity, and infrastructure have become less accessible. Innovation in the built environment is how we begin to change that.
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#100 - Driss Laraqui - Fenix Energy - Using Iron as a Fuel to Replace Natural Gas
2026/07/06
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🌊 Can Iron Replace Natural Gas?
How a rechargeable metal fuel could reshape high-temperature industrial heat, and Europe’s energy sovereignty.
We’re joined by Driss Laraqui, CEO and co-founder of Fenix Energy, a deeptech founder turning iron powder into a circular fuel for industrial heat.
The premise sounds almost like science fiction: burn iron powder, capture the iron oxide, recharge it with electricity, and use it again.
But for Driss, this is not a lab experiment.
Fenix is building industrial boilers designed to generate high-temperature heat — up to roughly 900°C, for sectors that remain heavily dependent on natural gas and difficult to electrify.
In this episode, we dive into one of climate tech’s hardest problems: how to decarbonize industrial heat without asking every factory to rely on constant access to cheap electricity and massive grid connections. And we unpack what it really takes to turn a scientific breakthrough into an infrastructure business that customers can actually deploy.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ Why industrial heat is becoming a geopolitical problem — from gas-price volatility to security of supply
→ Why direct electrification does not solve everything — especially for continuous industrial processes and sites without sufficient grid capacity
→ How iron works as a rechargeable fuel — burning into iron oxide, then regenerating the material with electricity
→ Why mobility changes the storage equation — Fenix can move energy in the form of iron powder instead of keeping storage stationary
→ The economics of heat-as-a-service — and why taking CapEx off the customer’s balance sheet can accelerate adoption
→ Why modularity matters in deeptech — finding the right reactor size, stacking systems, and avoiding endless re-engineering
→ How first customers finance emerging industrial technologies before banks and infrastructure funds are ready
→ Why Driss believes Europe is still one of the best places to build climate deeptech
One idea stayed with me.
Most conversations about industrial decarbonization search for the winning technology.
Driss sees the opposite.
The future energy system will be a mix: direct electrification where it works, biomass where it makes sense, nuclear in some contexts — and new energy carriers like iron for industrial sites that cannot simply plug into more power.
Fenix is betting that iron can become one of those missing bricks.
And perhaps the most interesting part is that the core challenge is no longer purely scientific.
As Driss puts it, the company is increasingly in development, not research.
The question now is execution: engineering the boiler, coordinating suppliers, sourcing cheap electricity, building the regeneration infrastructure, moving powder between sites, financing first-of-a-kind deployments — and making the full system competitive with natural gas.
That is where deeptech becomes a business.
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#99 - Clara Ricard - Transition - "Hardware can scale as fast as software, China proved it"
2026/06/30
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🌊 Building Deep Tech at Software Speed
What separates the best hardware founders, and why conviction matters more than consensus.
We’re joined by Clara Ricard, investor at Transition, focused on hardware and industrial deep tech, to explore what it really takes to build and back the next generation of climate and frontier technologies.
Hardware startups don’t follow the neat trajectories investors became accustomed to during the SaaS era. Their paths are messier, more capital-intensive, and often require a fundamentally different way of thinking about risk, talent, and execution.
In this conversation, we unpack why the best venture investments often begin with disagreement, how elite engineering cultures create outsized companies, and what founders can learn from organizations like SpaceX, Tesla, and ASML.
In this episode, we covered:
→ Why hardware investing requires a different mindset than SaaS
→ Why great VC partnerships shouldn’t always agree
→ How SpaceX, Tesla, and ASML created cultures that move hardware at extraordinary speed
→ Why operator networks outperform impressive résumés
→ The role of luck—and how investors try to recognize it
→ Why accepting more failures may actually produce better venture returns
→ Whether Europe can compete with China’s manufacturing advantage
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#98 - Andreas Saari - Paebbl - The cement that stores carbon - (live recording)
2026/06/23
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🌊 Building Concrete That Stores Carbon
Can the world’s most essential building material become a climate solution?
We’re joined by Andreas Saari, Co-Founder & Co-CEO of Paebbl, a company developing carbon-storing materials that can be blended directly into concrete.
Cement is responsible for roughly 8% of global CO₂ emissions. The challenge isn’t just the energy required to produce it, half of the emissions come from the chemistry itself. In this conversation, Andreas explains why decarbonizing cement is one of climate tech’s hardest problems and why entirely new materials may offer a path forward.
We also explore what it takes to bring a novel industrial material to market, how risk is shared across the construction value chain, and why Europe could play a defining role in the next industrial era.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ Why cement remains one of the toughest sectors to decarbonize
→ How Paebbl turns captured CO₂ and abundant minerals into a carbon-storing construction material
→ Why customers increasingly demand low-carbon concrete—and who’s willing to pay for it
→ The challenge of proving performance when buildings and infrastructure are on the line
→ How Paebbl brought companies like Holcim and Amazon’s Climate Pledge Fund onto its cap table to align incentives
→ Why scaling industrial climate technologies requires a completely different financing model
→ Europe’s opportunity to lead a new wave of industrial innovation
→ The emerging software, AI, and materials technologies transforming the construction industry
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#97 - Beau-Anne Chilla - FORWARD.one - "Technology without commercialization is just expensive science"
2026/06/16
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🌊 Turning Deep Tech Into Industrial Champions
Why commercialization is the real bottleneck for climate and industrial innovation.
We’re joined by Beau-Anne Chilla, Partner at ForwardONE, an early-stage deep tech investor focused on industrial and energy technologies.
In this episode, we explore what it really takes to turn breakthrough technologies into category-defining companies, and why Europe may be entering a once-in-a-generation moment for industrial innovation.
Beau shares lessons from investing in hardware, quantum computing, energy infrastructure, and industrial software, as well as his perspective on where climate investing is headed next.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ Why “technology without commercialization is just expensive science”
→ The biggest mistakes technical founders make when scaling sales
→ How to evaluate deep tech before the market fully exists
→ What VCs get wrong about hardware investing
→ The reality of commercializing industrial technologies
→ Why customer validation matters more than investor excitement
→ Investing in quantum computing before the market arrives
→ Europe’s opportunity to lead in energy and industrial innovation
→ Why efficiency may be one of the most overlooked climate solutions
→ How ForwardONE identifies winners and doubles down on conviction
One theme stood out throughout the conversation: innovation alone isn’t enough. The companies that create lasting impact are the ones that bridge the gap between technical excellence and commercial execution.
As Beau puts it, founders need to build products customers are willing to adopt, not just technologies that are impressive in the lab.
We also discuss why climate and industrial investing should no longer be viewed as separate categories. Improving efficiency, reducing energy consumption, and modernizing industrial systems may not always be the most radical solutions, but they can create enormous impact at scale.
And as Europe pushes for greater energy independence and industrial resilience, Bo believes the timing has never been better.
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#96 - Assia Kasdi - Milvus Advanced - "Can we create metals like we create shampoos?"
2026/06/09
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🌊 The New Alchemy of Clean Energy
Why the future of climate-tech may depend on replacing critical minerals altogether.
We’re joined by Assia, CEO of Milvus Advanced, an Oxford-born materials startup developing earth-abundant nanoalloys that can replace critical minerals like platinum, iridium, and indium.
What started as a PhD research project became a mission to solve one of the biggest hidden bottlenecks in the energy transition: our dependence on scarce, geopolitically concentrated materials.
In this episode, we explore why the clean energy transition is ultimately a materials challenge, and what it takes to build entirely new metals from scratch.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ Why Assia abandoned the idea that renewables are inherently sustainable
→ The journey from Oxford chemistry labs to venture-backed founder
→ How a 13th-century story about “German Silver” inspired a breakthrough in nanomaterials
→ Why most climate technologies depend on fragile mineral supply chains
→ The hidden role of metals in batteries, hydrogen, semiconductors, and clean energy systems
→ Why performance alone isn’t enough—and why cost always wins
→ How Milvus is creating substitutes for platinum-group metals using abundant materials like copper and nickel
→ The challenge of scaling chemistry from milligrams to kilograms—and eventually tons
→ What founders can learn from academia about risk, persistence, and conviction
→ Why climate startups are increasingly becoming sovereignty and defense companies
One of Assia’s most striking observations is that technologies don’t actually care which element they’re using. They care about the properties. The opportunity is about recreating critical minerals behavior with materials that are abundant, affordable, and locally available.
If that thesis proves true, the implications stretch far beyond climate.
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#95 - Maximilian Schwarz - Nucleus - "It needs to feel uncomfortable sitting with them"
2026/06/02
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🌊 Building Conviction Before the World Sees It
What it takes to back scientific founders before there’s a product, revenue, or proof that the science will work.
We’re joined by Max, Founder & Managing Partner at Nucleus, a pre-seed venture fund backing scientific and technical founders across food, biotech, and industrial innovation.
In this episode, we dive into what it really takes to become the first institutional believer in a company, often before there’s an MVP, customers, or even certainty that the underlying technology can scale.
Max shares the lessons from building Nucleus from scratch, how he learned to evaluate breakthrough science without being a scientist himself, and why the best founders combine technical brilliance with the ability to tell a compelling story.
In our conversation, we covered:
→ Why founder-market fit matters more than market analysis at pre-seed
→ How Nucleus evaluates scientific risk and separates companies from science projects
→ What Max learned from building a fund as a first-time manager
→ Why early investors need to make mistakes to develop conviction
→ The role of advisors, operators, and domain experts in deep-tech diligence
→ What “great” looks like in a scientific founder
→ Why storytelling is an underrated superpower for technical teams
→ The differences between European and American deep-tech founders
→ How Nucleus supports founders beyond capital
→ Why Europe may have a unique advantage in science and industrial innovation
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