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Thank you, Mega Orderers, for making these deeper conversations possible. Jason and Beau Breslin imagine themselves as delegates at a new American constitutional convention — and set about fixing the system, one structural problem at a time. Should California have five senators while Wyoming has one? Could independent commissions end partisan gerrymandering? How long should judges and members of Congress serve? And could an American version of the British Tory Party’s 1922 Committee finally give a president’s own party a mechanism to remove an out-of-control leader? They debate a ban on lobbying, taxpayer-funded campaigns, Citizens United, and whether elections in Maine and Nebraska offer a better model for how the Electoral College might work. They also deal with a possible elephant in the room: The trouble with rewriting the Constitution, of course, is that the billionaires might show up before the delegates do. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Constitutional reform must make representation fairer, executive power more accountable and political money less decisive — while making the reforms themselves possible to enact. Thank you to our Mega Orderers for keeping these conversations possible. Send your questions to [email protected]. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Beau Breslin — A Constitution for the Living: Imagining How Five Generations of Americans Would Rewrite the Nation’s Fundamental Law https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Constitution_for_the_Living.html?id=vxgfEAAAQBAJ Listening to America — Is a Constitutional Convention Even Possible? With Beau Breslin https://www.tapesearch.com/episode/1694-is-a-constitutional-convention-even-possible/Y6kNrtbz3uuUCaEC4TRo7w Listening to America — America at 250 with Beau Breslin https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/america-at-250-with-beau-breslin/id206783908?i=1000663744307 National Archives — Constitutional Amendment Process and Article V https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution National Archives — Article V, including equal suffrage of states in the Senate https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/article-v.html Brennan Center — Redistricting reform and independent commissions https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/redistricting Brennan Center — Citizens United and the campaign-finance debate https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/money-politics/campaign-finance-courts/citizens-united

In honour of the 2026 midterms, Jason is joined by Beau Breslin, Skidmore College political scientist and author of ‘A Constitution for the Living’, to ask a rather awkward question: what if America’s political dysfunction isn’t just about Trump, polarization or bad politicians — but the unintended consequences of the Constitution itself? From Jefferson’s argument for rewriting the Constitution every generation to Madison’s preference for continuity, they explore how the constitutional compromises around the following issues--the Senate, the Electoral College, gerrymandering, and presidential war powers--laid the door open to our current dysfunction. Given that the constitution is not really functioning anymore we ask: Can Congress reclaim its power of the purse? Has Citizens United helped turn democracy into plutocracy? And why are politicians so reluctant to make the case for structural reform? They also consider what a new Congress might actually change — before Beau offers a surprisingly practical prescription for Ordering the American disorder: bring back the bowling league. It may be easier than impeaching a president. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Rebuilding American democracy requires enforceable checks, fairer elections and institutions that reconnect citizens — not simply changing the politicians at the top. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Jason and Beau convene their own imaginary constitutional convention. One to five senators per state based on population! Term limits, independent redistricting, a parliamentary-style way to remove presidents, public campaign funding and a redesigned Electoral College!! Join at https://disordershow.com/club to hear what they would rewrite and how. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Beau Breslin — A Constitution for the Living (Skidmore College overview) https://www.skidmore.edu/news/2022/0106-breslin-book.php Listening to America — Artificial Intelligence (AI) and a New Constitution for the United States, with Beau Breslin and Prairie Gunnels https://jeffersonhour.libsyn.com/1661-artificial-intelligence-ai-and-a-new-constitution-for-the-united-states Listening to America — The Iran War and the U.S. Constitution, with Beau Breslin https://ltamerica.org/listen-2/ Disorder Ep 172 — Graham Zellick on Britain’s unwritten constitution and legal accountability https://podcasts.apple.com/se/podcast/ep-172-looking-beyond-the-headlines-of-the-iran/id1706818264?i=1000753646258&l=en-GB Disorder — Elie Honig on accountability and the Special Prosecutor system (linked in Ep 172 shownotes) https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/NmU0ZGIzZTQtYjhhMS0xMWYwLTk0NWQtZWZlN2MwMWI1YWJm National Archives — The US Constitution, full text https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript Brennan Center — Citizens United and money in politics https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/money-politics/campaign-finance-courts/citizens-united Brennan Center — Redistricting and independent commissions https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/redistricting Robert D. Putnam — Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community https://robertdputnam.com/bowling-alone/

With Israel heading to the polls on 27 October, Jason and Jane go deep on the electoral arithmetic and the political stakes. Can Gadi Eisenkot assemble a coalition? Would Naftali Bennett or Avigdor Lieberman cooperate with the Arab parties or religious factions? And what happens when the president asks a succession of leaders to form a government and nobody can get to 61 seats? They explore the divide over ultra-Orthodox military service, Netanyahu’s legal cases, Trump’s intervention in Israeli politics, and the consequences of political deadlock for Iran, Gaza and relations with Syria. Plus: what Israeli political cartoons reveal about prejudice — and a brief detour into what Count Binface might do with a seat in the Knesset. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Even a decisive election result cannot create order without a workable governing coalition and institutions capable of commanding trust. Thank you to our Mega Orderers for keeping these deeper conversations possible. Send your questions to [email protected]. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack -
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https://arkmedia.beehiiv.com/podcast/s/call_me_back_-_with_dan_senor/three_election_scenarios_nobody_is_talking_about_-_with_gil_hoffman Call Me Back — Is Israel’s Global Standing on the Israeli Ballot? With Amit Segal and Nadav Eyal
https://arkmedia.beehiiv.com/podcast/s/call_me_back_-_with_dan_senor/is_israel_s_global_standing_on_the_israeli_ballot_-_with_amit_segal_and_nadav_eyal Associated Press — A look at the major candidates in Israel’s election
https://apnews.com/article/e83e117c86c821a4a8c3546848e9795d Reuters — Israel’s election may change its leader, but not Iran war policy
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-election-may-change-its-leader-not-iran-war-policy-2026-10-21/ The Guardian — After three disastrous years, Israel needs to rethink itself
https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2026/oct/21/israel-new-government-election-opposition-victory-palestine

Jason and Jane are back with your questions — and an encouragingly modest agenda: saving centrism, standing by Ukraine, surviving the US midterms, tackling climate change and keeping the Red Sea open. Is anti-incumbency a symptom of a broken social contract? Can democracies outlast Putin without American leadership? And is a protest movement without a concrete demand doomed to achieve nothing? We also tackle Trump’s Russian diesel deal, whether Trump will fightback after a midterms loss coherent fightback, what COP31 can achieve in Antalya, and how the Houthis connect the Iran war to the Horn of Africa. Along the way, Jason offers the Democrats a slogan, and we discover that puppet satire may be the most reliable form of political analysis. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Big collective-action problems need leadership, enforceable rules and practical demands — not just outrage. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Israel votes on 27 October. Could Netanyahu survive yet again? Jason and Jane examine Gadi Eisenkot, Naftali Bennett, Avigdor Lieberman and the Arab parties; ultra-Orthodox conscription; and the prospect of a knesset that cannot form a government. Join at https://disordershow.com/club. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack -
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https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/502c88e21901dc3f66bac9d075868ce5dd86ca63/view The Rest Is Politics: Leading — Mary Trump, “Trump’s Niece on Why He’s on Putin’s Side”
https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/trumps-niece-on-why-hes-on-putins-side/id1665265193?i=1000796648618 The Rest Is Politics — Trump and Putin vs Zelensky: Is Europe Sleepwalking into Disaster?
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-rest-is-politics-107223135/episode/581-trump-and-putin-vs-zelensky-348060976/ Puppet Regime — official political satire site
https://puppetregime.com/ Spitting Image — official YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/@SpittingImage UN Climate Change — COP31 in Antalya, 9–20 November 2026
https://unfccc.int/cop31 The Atlantic — Trump’s “Staggering One-Two Punch” to Ukraine
https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/10/ra-ukraine/689068/ Disorder — join the Mega Orderers Club
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Jason and Jane are back with your questions — and an encouragingly modest agenda: saving centrism, standing by Ukraine, surviving the US midterms, tackling climate change and keeping the Red Sea open. Is anti-incumbency a symptom of a broken social contract? Can democracies outlast Putin without American leadership? And is a protest movement without a concrete demand doomed to achieve nothing? We also tackle Trump’s Russian diesel deal, whether Trump will fightback after a midterms loss coherent fightback, what COP31 can achieve in Antalya, and how the Houthis connect the Iran war to the Horn of Africa. Along the way, Jason offers the Democrats a slogan, and we discover that puppet satire may be the most reliable form of political analysis. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Big collective-action problems need leadership, enforceable rules and practical demands — not just outrage. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Israel votes on 27 October. Could Netanyahu survive yet again? Jason and Jane examine Gadi Eisenkot, Naftali Bennett, Avigdor Lieberman and the Arab parties; ultra-Orthodox conscription; and the prospect of a knesset that cannot form a government. Join at https://disordershow.com/club. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Disorder Ep 212 — Mark Galeotti on War Putinism and Russian bears https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/502c88e21901dc3f66bac9d075868ce5dd86ca63/view The Rest Is Politics: Leading — Mary Trump, “Trump’s Niece on Why He’s on Putin’s Side” https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/trumps-niece-on-why-hes-on-putins-side/id1665265193?i=1000796648618 The Rest Is Politics — Trump and Putin vs Zelensky: Is Europe Sleepwalking into Disaster? https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-rest-is-politics-107223135/episode/581-trump-and-putin-vs-zelensky-348060976/ Puppet Regime — official political satire site https://puppetregime.com/ Spitting Image — official YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@SpittingImage UN Climate Change — COP31 in Antalya, 9–20 November 2026 https://unfccc.int/cop31 The Atlantic — Trump’s “Staggering One-Two Punch” to Ukraine https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/10/ra-ukraine/689068/ Disorder — join the Mega Orderers Club https://disordershow.com/club Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

As right-wing populist and far-right parties see a major rise across Europe, Nigel Farage is one of the most consequential politicians of our time.   He may be the UK’s next Prime Minister.  Investigative journalist, and best-selling author, John Sweeney is a thorn in Nigel Farage’s side. He is the Reform UK correspondent of the Nerve. He has covered wars, revolutions and disorder in a hundred countries, including going undercover in Chechnya, North Korea and Zimbabwe. He’s written 17 books including the Sunday Times bestseller ‘Killer in the Kremlin’ about Vladimir Putin.   In this lively interview, which includes explicit language, about his new, explosive book ‘The Real Nigel Farage’ Sweeney does not hold back, citing well-sourced allegations, suggesting the charismatic and popular Reform UK leader is cruel, chaotic and akin to a leader of a cult.  It's a packed hour full of startling allegations, such as Farage not liking working class people and academics, his sympathies towards Vladimir Putin and his narcissistic tendencies.   Nigel Farage, as Sweeney himself makes clear throughout the interview, denies any wrongdoing and has said of Sweeney that he has caused him more misery than anyone else in 25 years of politics. Sweeney says Farage has not yet sued about any of the allegations in his book.   Also in this interview, Sweeney reveals what really happened that caused his infamous shouting match against Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis, which has been seen by millions of people around the world.   Sweeney also tells Out of Order with Mark Lobel why he thinks child serial killer Lucy Letby is innocent. Sweeney has reported on women wrongly jailed for murder before and revealed flaws in the case against Sally Clarke. Her verdict was subsequently overturned in 2003.  LINKS:  Buy John’s book, ‘The Real Nigel Farage’ here: https://amzn.eu/d/07m4laz3   Crowdfunders for Ukraine: https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/qr/XWJOKwDn?utm_campaign=sharemodal&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=shortlink   https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/qr/VlDvrKKn?utm_campaign=sharemodal&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=shortlink   John’s podcast on Lucy Letby https://open.spotify.com/show/0rwlMXKNQK0a7ug2p4oX1D   John Sweeney losing his temper – Panorama, BBC One https://youtu.be/mjlo4u_8g60?is=15o0HQfnzdU5gC2f  Contact Mark Lobel here: https://www.mark-lobel.com/getintouch   HOST: Mark Lobel @marklobeltv GUEST: John Sweeney @johnsweeneyroar PRODUCER: George McDonagh Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Brazil’s election is on a knife edge. Jason and Jane discuss Flávio Bolsonaro’s challenge to Lula, voters’ anger over crime and inequality, the rise of evangelical politics and the enthusiasm of financial markets for the right. Could Trump’s tariffs and political pressure help swing an election? What would a Bolsonaro victory mean for the Amazon, climate diplomacy and Brazil’s global role? And why does neo-populism sound increasingly similar from Brasília to Britain? As Jason puts it: “If at first you don’t succeed, rig, rig again.” ORDERING THE DISORDER: The left must confront its failures on crime and inequality, but foreign economic coercion threatens democratic sovereignty everywhere. Thanks to our Mega Orderers for supporting these deeper discussions. Tell your friends and help us grow the club! Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack -
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From tear gassing student protestors in France to Britain’s chaotic party conferences with their controversial motions, Jason and Jane ask whether Western democracies can still deliver anything positive for the next generation. They take on Labour’s spending promises, the Tory’s bizzarre tax cut pledges, the Greens’ Zionism is Racism controversy and the growing power of bond markets over elected governments. Then: are AI and its creators taking over? Jane reports from the UN General Assembly on the push for global AI rules. After the break, we turn to the US midterms and Iranian-linked security threats in Britain. Plus, Jason finally learns what “squeaky bum time” means. And apparently it is not only about clearing the midpoint. Then in the MEGA ORDERERS BONUS just for our subscribers: Can Trump Tariff His Way to a Bolsonaro Victory? Brazil’s election, the Bolsonaro comeback, Lula’s failures, crime, evangelical politics and whether economic pressure is becoming a new form of foreign election interference. Join the Mega Orderers Club: https://disordershow.com/club And in the ORDERING THE DISORDER: Democracies need room to invest in the next generation and international cooperation to ensure AI serves people rather than addiction, polarisation and dominance. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Have the Greens just voted for a de facto ban on Jews? https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000793267697 More on this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/oct/02/green-party-anti-zionism-motion-attempt-tell-jews-how-to-think 'Everyone hates the police' – what France's school protests reveal about a divided nation https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crq5nlqnn184o George McDonagh produced Black Box about AI https://www.theguardian.com/technology/audio/2026/sep/03/black-box-the-chatbots-spirals-ai-psychosis-podcast And then an On the Media about US polarization and ice. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2RUp1IfoSX2CXl0s1eVi3h?si=1IlVr9j2SZqt9evXmucpaQ&utm_source=copy-link&t=2045

From tear gassing student protestors in France to Britain’s chaotic party conferences with their controversial motions, Jason and Jane ask whether Western democracies can still deliver anything positive for the next generation. They take on Labour’s spending promises, the Tory’s bizzarre tax cut pledges, the Greens’ Zionism is Racism controversy and the growing power of bond markets over elected governments. Then: are AI and its creators taking over? Jane reports from the UN General Assembly on the push for global AI rules. After the break, we turn to the US midterms and Iranian-linked security threats in Britain. Plus, Jason finally learns what “squeaky bum time” means. And apparently it is not only about clearing the midpoint. Then in the MEGA ORDERERS BONUS just for our subscribers: Can Trump Tariff His Way to a Bolsonaro Victory? Brazil’s election, the Bolsonaro comeback, Lula’s failures, crime, evangelical politics and whether economic pressure is becoming a new form of foreign election interference. Join the Mega Orderers Club: https://disordershow.com/club And in the ORDERING THE DISORDER: Democracies need room to invest in the next generation and international cooperation to ensure AI serves people rather than addiction, polarisation and dominance. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Have the Greens just voted for a de facto ban on Jews? https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000793267697 More on this https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/oct/02/green-party-anti-zionism-motion-attempt-tell-jews-how-to-think 'Everyone hates the police' – what France's school protests reveal about a divided nation https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crq5nlqnn184o  George McDonagh produced Black Box about AI https://www.theguardian.com/technology/audio/2026/sep/03/black-box-the-chatbots-spirals-ai-psychosis-podcast  And then an On the Media about US polarization and ice. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2RUp1IfoSX2CXl0s1eVi3h?si=1IlVr9j2SZqt9evXmucpaQ&utm_source=copy-link&t=2045  Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

What do Erin’s experiences in post-revolutionary Libya reveal about the collapse of civic trust back home? Then, as Jason and Erin Order the Disorder, they debate whether centrist pragmatic realism or progressive dreaming is the path forward. They explore critical Senate and House races to watch in North Carolina and Texas, whether Democrats should pack the Supreme Court to counter executive overreach, and how international trade and tariffs could hit MAGA voters where it hurts. Plus: can the rule of law still win in Trump’s America, or must centrist Democrats go lower to actually restore order?

Jason is joined by former Kentucky congressional candidate Erin Petrie, board member of Bourbon Women and active DAR member, to dissect the ideological clash at the heart of the American left. They discuss whether progressive slogans like "abolish ICE" drive moderate voters into Trumpism, how Citizens United and billionaire donors have created a pay-to-play system and why politicians in Washington fail to address the affordability crisis in rural America. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: What do Erin’s experiences in post-revolutionary Libya reveal about the collapse of civic trust back home? Then, as Jason and Erin Order the Disorder, they debate whether centrist pragmatic realism or progressive dreaming is the path forward. They explore critical Senate and House races to watch in North Carolina and Texas, whether Democrats should pack the Supreme Court to counter executive overreach, and how international trade and tariffs could hit MAGA voters where it hurts. Plus: can the rule of law still win in Trump’s America, or must centrist Democrats go lower to actually restore order? Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus:  https://disordershow.com/club Producer: Sam Cluley Subscribe to Ordering the Disorder:  https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Erin’s Website:  https://erinpetrey.com/ Erin’s Podcast:  https://www.thekentuckyedge.com/on-the-edge-with-erin-petrey/ Kentucky Educational Television (KET) Debate Coverage Citizens United v. FEC:  https://www.fec.gov/legal-resources/court-cases/citizens-united-v-fec/ History of ICE: https://www.dhs.gov/history Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Jason is joined by former Kentucky congressional candidate Erin Petrie, board member of Bourbon Women and active DAR member, to dissect the ideological clash at the heart of the American left. They discuss whether progressive slogans like "abolish ICE" drive moderate voters into Trumpism, how Citizens United and billionaire donors have created a pay-to-play system and why politicians in Washington fail to address the affordability crisis in rural America. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: What do Erin’s experiences in post-revolutionary Libya reveal about the collapse of civic trust back home? Then, as Jason and Erin Order the Disorder, they debate whether centrist pragmatic realism or progressive dreaming is the path forward. They explore critical Senate and House races to watch in North Carolina and Texas, whether Democrats should pack the Supreme Court to counter executive overreach, and how international trade and tariffs could hit MAGA voters where it hurts. Plus: can the rule of law still win in Trump’s America, or must centrist Democrats go lower to actually restore order? Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus:
https://disordershow.com/club Producer: Sam Cluley Subscribe to Ordering the Disorder:
https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Erin’s Website: https://erinpetrey.com/ Erin’s Podcast: https://www.thekentuckyedge.com/on-the-edge-with-erin-petrey/ Kentucky Educational Television (KET) Debate Coverage Citizens United v. FEC: https://www.fec.gov/legal-resources/court-cases/citizens-united-v-fec/ History of ICE: https://www.dhs.gov/history

What would Ukrainian victory — and Russian defeat — actually look like? Responding to listener Mark Grindlay's challenge, Jason and Mark Galeotti debate whether Russia watchers are too predisposed towards negotiated settlements and too skeptical about outright Ukrainian victory. Could Ukraine ever force Russia from all occupied territory? Would a settlement simply allow Putin to regroup? And what security guarantees would actually prevent another war? They also return to Hanna Notte’s argument about raising the costs of Russia continuing the war, before ending somewhere rather more unexpected: Russia’s booming brown bear population, the bear’s strange place in Russian folklore, and why rampaging bears might just be the perfect symbol of a disordering Russia. Mark Galeotti’s In Moscow’s Shadows:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/in-moscows-shadows/id1510124746 In Moscow’s Shadows 264: Russia’s Bear(s) On The March:
https://podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/in-moscows-shadows-264-russias-bear-s-on-the-march/id1510124746?i=1000791844169 Listen to our episode with Hanna Notte — Can Putin Outlast the West (by Disordering it)?:
https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/35b8c221b3fca72fafb5a4b0fee7924f22d97423/view Ordering the Disorder:
https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube:
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What exactly is “War Putinism” — and how long can it survive? Jason is joined by Russia expert Mark Galeotti, host of In Moscow’s Shadows, to get inside the increasingly militarised, kleptocratic system Putin has built. They discuss Russia’s recent Duma elections, whether the war economy is devouring Russia’s future, how corruption changes when elites stop believing the system will last forever, and why Russia is so effective at exploiting divisions in Western societies. Then they Order the Disorder: Jason and Mark disagree agreeably over whether Europe needs greater unity or much bolder action against Russia — before exploring financial enforcement, sanctions, Russian money flows and what the West could actually do to constrain Putin’s capacity to disorder the international system. And, naturally, there are bears. Lots of rampaging Russian bears. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Can Ukraine actually win? Responding to a listener challenge, Jason and Mark debate what Russian defeat could realistically mean, whether any settlement merely gives Putin time to regroup, and what security guarantees Ukraine would actually need. Plus: even more on Russia’s increasingly disorderly bears. Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus:
https://disordershow.com/club Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to Ordering the Disorder:
https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Mark Galeotti’s In Moscow’s Shadows:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/in-moscows-shadows/id1510124746 In Moscow’s Shadows 264: Russia’s Bear(s) On The March:
https://podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/in-moscows-shadows-264-russias-bear-s-on-the-march/id1510124746?i=1000791844169 Our recent episode with Hanna Notte — Can Putin Outlast the West (by Disordering it)?:
https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/35b8c221b3fca72fafb5a4b0fee7924f22d97423/view Disorder Ep. 196 with Jamison Firestone — Rule of Lies: The Origin Story of Putin’s Russia:
https://podcasts.apple.com/id/podcast/ep-196-rule-of-lies-the-origin-story-of/id1706818264?i=1000777642161 Our previous episode with Sir Bill Browder:
https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/a36160dede2b990a59c34c3c4e8eeece Join the Mega Orderers Club:
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What exactly is “War Putinism” — and how long can it survive? Jason is joined by Russia expert Mark Galeotti, host of In Moscow’s Shadows, to get inside the increasingly militarised, kleptocratic system Putin has built. They discuss Russia’s recent Duma elections, whether the war economy is devouring Russia’s future, how corruption changes when elites stop believing the system will last forever, and why Russia is so effective at exploiting divisions in Western societies. Then they Order the Disorder: Jason and Mark disagree agreeably over whether Europe needs greater unity or much bolder action against Russia — before exploring financial enforcement, sanctions, Russian money flows and what the West could actually do to constrain Putin’s capacity to disorder the international system. And, naturally, there are bears. Lots of rampaging Russian bears. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Can Ukraine actually win? Responding to a listener challenge, Jason and Mark debate what Russian defeat could realistically mean, whether any settlement merely gives Putin time to regroup, and what security guarantees Ukraine would actually need. Plus: even more on Russia’s increasingly disorderly bears. Join the Mega Orderers Club for the full bonus: https://disordershow.com/club Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to Ordering the Disorder: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Mark Galeotti’s In Moscow’s Shadows: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/in-moscows-shadows/id1510124746 In Moscow’s Shadows 264: Russia’s Bear(s) On The March: https://podcasts.apple.com/nl/podcast/in-moscows-shadows-264-russias-bear-s-on-the-march/id1510124746?i=1000791844169 Our recent episode with Hanna Notte — Can Putin Outlast the West (by Disordering it)?: https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/35b8c221b3fca72fafb5a4b0fee7924f22d97423/view Disorder Ep. 196 with Jamison Firestone — Rule of Lies: The Origin Story of Putin’s Russia: https://podcasts.apple.com/id/podcast/ep-196-rule-of-lies-the-origin-story-of/id1706818264?i=1000777642161 Our previous episode with Sir Bill Browder: https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/a36160dede2b990a59c34c3c4e8eeece Join the Mega Orderers Club: https://disordershow.com/club Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy