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53 episodes
Language
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Matt MattsonExplicit
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Date created
2023/11/29
Latest episode
2026/02/06
Average duration
47 min.
Release period
25 days
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A sacred conversation about sacred conversations. The BETWEEN Podcast lives at the intersection of YOUR FAITH and your daily moments of HUMAN CONNECTION. Hi there. I'm Matt Mattson and I've spent my whole life obsessed with human connection. To tell you the truth, I believe it's spiritual. I think it's divine. I think the fastest and most efficient way to connect with what I understand as "God" is through conversations and interactions with others. THE SPACE BETWEEN US IS SACRED. No matter what you believe (or if you believe), you are welcome here. Welcome to The BETWEEN Podcast.
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Is God On My Side? | Rev. Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2026/02/06
10 Profound Questions of Faith | This episode is part of a limited series of The BETWEEN Podcast where we're exploring ten, big, heavy, difficult, profound faith questions.
Is God really on our side? Or are we just projecting our own beliefs onto the divine?
Maybe the issue isn't about sides or winning. It’s about seeing beyond our us-versus-them mentality and recognizing the divine in every soul.
When we believe God is only on our side, we risk forgetting that Divinity might be closer to the squishy, fragile parts of us — the raw, vulnerable core beneath all our masks.
What if God’s stance isn’t about sides at all, but about love that sees us in all our messy, beautiful diversity?
How are you trying to see others — truly see them — beyond your own side?
How Do We Hold Each Other In This Fragile World? | Rev. Dani Hillyer and Matt Mattson
2026/01/30
10 Profound Questions of Faith | This episode is part of a limited series of The BETWEEN Podcast where we're exploring ten, big, heavy, difficult, profound faith questions.
When the world feels like it's falling apart, all we want is to hold someone close — but how do we do that without losing ourselves?
Let's be real — everything around us seems cracked, from news headlines to our own hearts. But here's the truth: we're not meant to fix it all at once. Sometimes, simply being present with another broken person creates a mosaic of real connection.
Ever notice that when we lay our crumbly pieces on the ground and mix them with others', something closer to oneness appears? It’s messy, ugly even, but that honesty is what truly binds us. So, how do we stay resilient without losing our edges? Maybe the answer is just showing up — over and over — with open hands and broken hearts.
What's your take on holding space in a fragile world?
Puzzle The Pastors | Rev. Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2026/01/20
10 Profound Questions of Faith | This episode is part of a limited series of The BETWEEN Podcast where we're exploring ten, big, heavy, difficult, profound faith questions.In this episode, Matt and Dani tackle three real questions shared by folks at a local church that they both serve. Recently that church held a "Puzzle The Pastors" Sunday, and these three big faith questions never got answered during the live experience... so Dani and Matt thought they'd try to tackle them here. They're tough questions. What do you think?
Why did people not recognize Jesus after he resurrected? Was he in a different form/body?There are many origin myths ie Native American, Greek mythology, etc. How do we know as Christians that our faiths are not just myths?How would Christ look upon a "National Church"?
What Comes After The Hallelujah? | Rev. Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2026/01/04
(Alternative Title: Grow And Become Strong)
10 Profound Questions of Faith | This episode is part of a limited series of The BETWEEN Podcast where we're exploring ten, big, heavy, difficult, profound faith questions.
In this episode, we try to figure out what to do with our faith now that the holiday lights are dwindling, the tree is rotting by the curb, and our spirits are a little less merry and bright. How do we keep our spiritual lives alive even when the days feel cold and ordinary?
This episode features Rev. Dani Hillyer and Matt Mattson.
📖While you're here... have you ordered your copy of "," the new book by Matt Mattson, yet?
Is Love The Stuff In The Hallmark Movies? | Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2025/12/23
(Alternative Title: Don't Punch Your Neighbor In the Throat)
10 Profound Questions of Faith | This episode is part of a limited series of The BETWEEN Podcast where we're exploring ten, big, heavy, difficult, profound faith questions.
In this episode, we capture the essence of love when Rev. Dani Hillyer says, "Don't punch your neighbor in the throat" (or something like that). Love might be the point of it all, friends. If your faith life is pointing in a true direction... it's probably love.
This episode features Rev. Dani Hillyer and Matt Mattson.
📖While you're here... have you ordered your copy of "Cathedrals of Connection," the new book by Matt Mattson, yet?
What Does It Mean To Have a Spiritual Home? | Rev. Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2025/12/18
(Alternate Title: You're So Spiritually Rich, You Have Multiple Homes!)
10 Profound Questions of Faith | This episode is part of a limited series of The BETWEEN Podcast where we're exploring ten, big, heavy, difficult, profound faith questions.
In this episode, we welcome each other HOME. And we explore the elements of a spiritual home. Gosh, we even encourage you to think of yourself as so spiritually wealthy that you can afford MULTIPLE spiritual homes. Enjoy! Welcome home!
This episode features Rev. Dani Hillyer and Matt Mattson.
📖While you're here... have you ordered your copy of "," the new book by Matt Mattson, yet?
Can Joy Survive In A World That's Deeply Hurting? | Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2025/12/16
(Alternative Title: Mysterious Paintings, Rivers, Togetherness, and Songs... Joy is Harder To Talk About Than We Thought)
10 Profound Questions of Faith | This episode is part of a limited series of The BETWEEN Podcast where we're exploring ten, big, heavy, difficult, profound faith questions.
In this episode, we explore JOY from peculiar angles. We try to dip into a joy that flows far deeper than mere happiness. And we wonder if joy is available if it isn't shared. Joy can seem like it's a required feeling at certain times of the year... but maybe there's a different way to understand it spiritually.
This episode features Rev. Dani Hillyer and Matt Mattson.
📖While you're here... have you ordered your copy of "Cathedrals of Connection," the new book by Matt Mattson, yet?
How Do We Find Peace When the World Profits from Our Anxiety? | Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2025/12/09
(Alternative Title: Just Say "Peace Be With You" To Everyone You Meet!)
10 Profound Questions of Faith | This episode is part of a limited series of The BETWEEN Podcast where we're exploring ten, big, heavy, difficult, profound faith questions.
In this episode, we win the war on peace! Well, not really. But we do explore whether peace is a default human setting, and how breathing together might lead us back toward the peace our souls know so well. If you're feeling anxious, harried, dizzy and fearful... just know that a) you're definitely not alone, b) there's probably some big corporation making lots of money off those feelings, and c) you can know peace again, friend.
This episode features Rev. Dani Hillyer and Matt Mattson.
📖While you're here... have you ordered your copy of "Cathedrals of Connection," the new book by Matt Mattson, yet?
What If Hope Is the Heaviest Thing We Carry? | Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2025/12/02
(Alternative Title: "Hope Rope")
10 Profound Questions of Faith | This episode is part of a limited series of The BETWEEN Podcast where we're exploring ten, big, heavy, difficult, profound faith questions.
In this episode, we grapple with the weight of hope. We cast our ropes into the future and attach them to the things that we long for. We consider the flipside of hope. We carry a backpack full of hope. We even try to do a four person plank (a peculiar but delightful metaphor for shared hope).
What are you hoping for right now?
This episode features Rev. Dani Hillyer and Matt Mattson.
📖While you're here... have you ordered your copy of "Cathedrals of Connection," the new book by Matt Mattson, yet?
Cathedrals of Connection | Rev. Dani Hillyer Interviews Matt Mattson About His Upcoming Book
2025/10/03
Order Cathedrals of Connection here: https://www.cathedralsofconnection.com
In this special episode of The BETWEEN Podcast, semi-regular co-host Dani Hillyer interviews very regular host Matt Mattson about his upcoming book, Cathedrals of Connection. Dani and Matt laugh, joke, and get real about the themes of the book, the sacredness of human connection, and giving people permission to experience faith in simple, everyday moments.
The BETWEEN Podcast is a sacred conversation about sacred conversations. Join hosts Matt Mattson & Dani Hillyer as they explore the intersection of FAITH and HUMAN CONNECTION.
Prayer Is A Stance | Rev. Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2025/07/16
Prayer. Deeply sacred. Nearly universally practiced. Kind of weird. Strangely secretive for many people. Rarely discussed in public. Prayer.
Rev. Dani Hillyer and Matt Mattson dive deeply into their understanding of and experience with prayer in this episode.
How do you pray? Take some time to enjoy this sacred episode exploring the wild and wonderful world of prayer with Matt and Dani.
"Cosmic Christ & Concrete Jesus" with Kevin Sweeney
2025/05/22
In this episode of The BETWEN Podcast, host Matt Mattson dives deeply into the mystical and the concrete with author Kevin Sweeney.
Kevin Sweeney was co-founder and lead pastor of Imagine Church—an urban church in Honolulu that is welcoming of all people, sees imagination as the key to the future, chooses authenticity over performance, substance over hype, and quality over quantity.
He is the host of podcast “The Church Needs Therapy” and is the author of the books, “The Making of a Mystic: My Journey with Mushrooms, My Life as a Pastor, and Why It’s Okay For Everyone to Relax,” out on May 31st, and “The Joy of Letting Go”. His newest book is titled "The Cosmic Christ and the Concrete Jesus: Mystics, The Black Prophetic Tradition, and Why I'm Still A Christian" and is available here: https://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Christ-Concrete-Jesus-ebook/dp/B0F2Q3P6K2#
He lives In Honolulu with his wife and co-founder of Imagine, Christine, and their two kids, True and Mikayla.
"The Tears of Things" with Rev. Dani Hillyer
2025/04/29
Are you a prophet? Should people claim to be prophets in today's world? What do the prophets of the ancient times have to teach us about the way we're supposed to be with each other today?
Fr. Richard Rohr recently released a new book titled, "The Tears of Things" that Pastor Dani and Matt Mattson discuss in detail on this episode of The BETWEEN Podcast.
The book serves as a jumping off point for a truly sacred conversation to take place... They discuss our inner "prophetic" voice, our ego, seeing the world in new ways through tears-filled eyes, the courage to embrace paradox.
MORE ABOUT THE BOOK
How do we live compassionately in a time of violence and despair? What can we do with our private disappointments and the anger we feel in such an unjust world? In his most personal book yet, Richard Rohr turns to the writings of the Jewish prophets, revealing how some of the lesser-read books of the Bible offer us a crucial path forward today.
The prophets’ writings reflect the full spectrum of human maturity. In almost every case, their initial rage and their accusatory words evolve into a profound pathos and lamentation about our shared human condition and the world’s suffering. Through astute critiques of culture and institutions, and their journey from anger to sadness, and ultimately compassion, the prophets exemplify what Rohr calls “sacred criticism”—a distinct approach to confronting evil and injustice that acknowledges the wholeness of history, the interconnectedness of every living being, and the reality of a divine and universal love. In this, they set the stage for Jesus, who follows this identical pattern.
Drawing on a century of biblical scholarship and written in the warm, pastoral voice that has endeared Rohr to millions, The Tears of Things breathes new life into ancient wisdom. It paves a path of enlightenment for anyone seeking a compassionate way of living in a hurting world.
Kate Boyd: "An Untidy Faith"
2025/04/03
In this episode of The BETWEEN Podcast, host Matt Mattson and special guest Kate Boyd dive deeply into faith disentanglement, Batman (the dog), the danger of fundamentalism, and the untidiness of our personal and communal faith lives.
Kate Boyd helps weary and wounded Christians rebuild their relationship with Scripture and community... and she helps them love God and their neighbors with their whole selves. Kate has traveled the world to interview and tell the stories of believers around the globe while she has been on mission trips. She is the author of a book we discuss in this episdoed titled, “An Untidy Faith: Journeying Back to the Joy of Following Jesus”. She is also creator of the Threaded Bible studies, and founder of The Remembered Table. She holds a masters in theological studies with an emphasis in biblical studies from Perkins School of Theology.
"Life, Death, and Rest" with co-hosts Rev. Dani Hillyer & Matt Mattson
2025/03/05
Are you longing for rest? (you're not alone)
In this episode Dani reveals that the last time she felt rested was NEARLY A DECADE AGO! And we know she is not the only one who feels like they're rushing through life and always expected to be "on."
This episode of The BETWEEN Podcast features co-hosts Matt Mattson and Dani Hillyer doing a deep dive into their relationship (or lackthereof) with REST.
A well-rested person is far more likely to be able to experience the sacredness of human connection, don't you think? We certainly do. Join us for this conversation and maybe you'll find some ways to provide rest for other people in your life.
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