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Heal With Grace is a podcast that invites listeners into the world of holistic healing. Hosted by Grace Secker, a trained holistic psychotherapist, yoga therapist, and nervous system coach, each episode delves into the interconnected realms of mental, physical, and spiritual health. The podcast offers a unique blend of personal stories, professional insights, and practical tools for healing.
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148. My Juicy Insights from the Mind-Body Conference
2026/10/27
If you've ever wondered whether mind-body healing is real or just something people say when the tests come back clear, this one's for you. I just got back from the ATNS conference, and I'm sharing what I learned, what I felt, and what it was like to walk on stage for the first time.
Two years ago I sat in that same audience with neck and shoulder pain, feeling like a total fraud. A therapist who teaches this work and still hurts? I was sure everyone could tell. I also remember watching the speakers and thinking, "I want to be up there one day." This year, Callie Krajcir and I presented on food fear and food intolerances. When I asked the room who had clients with a list of foods they can't eat, almost every hand went up.
We get into why stress and pushed-down emotions create real physical symptoms, and why that idea is way older than modern medicine. I share what I took away from Vanessa Blackstone's talk on safety as a privilege, and from a session on people living with both structural and neuroplastic conditions like cancer, ALS, and Parkinson's.
Then I get a little direct about language. The words you use about food, your body, your shoes, your posture, and the people around you are teaching your brain what's dangerous. If you're constantly judging the world, you're judging yourself too. You'll hear the simple practice I use to start shifting it.
If you've been on the fence about how much of your symptoms are physical and how much are stress, this episode gives you a clearer answer. And if you're still having symptoms and feel like you're failing, I want you to hear my story. You're not.
Resources mentioned
Mind Body Integration Training, spring cohort waitlistHow to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
147. The Missing Piece of Nervous System Healing
2026/10/20
If you've been breathing, grounding, and regulating your way through every day and still feel stuck, this one's for you.
Nervous system education has gotten loud lately, and that's a beautiful thing. But somewhere along the way, "nervous system healing" started to mean "stay calm at all costs." In this solo episode, I'm widening the lens. Because we're complex beings, and healing chronic pain and illness usually happens on more than one level at once: brain, body, emotions, relationships, beliefs, and the way we respond to our own experiences.
I also share a piece of my own story, the year-plus I spent eating only 10 to 15 foods, and what finally shifted when I realized it was never really about the food.
In this episode, you'll explore:
✨ How your brain makes predictions and why sensitization can keep real symptoms going long after an injury or illness has passed
✨ Why physical, functional, and nervous system support don't have to be either/or
✨ The difference between regulating to feel better and regulating to build capacity
✨ Body awareness vs. body monitoring, and why more awareness isn't always the answer
✨ How protective patterns like suppressed anger, people-pleasing, and perfectionism can show up in the body
✨ What progress really looks like (hint: it's not always fewer symptoms)
✨ Why the goal was never to spend your life healing. It was to get back to living.
If you've felt overwhelmed by all the approaches out there, this episode will help you see how the pieces fit together.
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How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
146. People Pleasing and Chronic Pain: Breaking the Good Girl Pattern
2026/10/13
Are you the one who says "I'm happy to help" before you've even checked your calendar? People pleasing and chronic illness are more connected than most of us realize, and in this episode I'm walking you through the overlap.
I call it the good girl pattern. Be nice. Be kind. Don't be too much. Don't have too many feelings. Nobody wrote these rules down for us. We soaked them up from TV, school, church, and family life. And for a lot of us, they stopped being a habit and became an identity.
BUT that pattern is not who you are. It's something you learned to stay accepted. Your nervous system is wired for belonging, so of course it worked. It kept you loved and included. It's also costing you more than you realize.
Every time you override a need, your body notices. Saying yes when you mean no. Smiling through irritation. Scanning the room to make sure everyone else is okay before you even sit down. Each one is a small stress hit, and they stack up over years. Eventually, when you don't say no, your body says it for you → through a migraine, fatigue, gut issues, or pain.
In this episode, I'm sharing how the good girl pattern shows up at work, in relationships, with friends, and around the holidays. I'm also getting honest about my own "I'm fine" era and what changed once I realized I'm a pretty particular introvert who needs a lot of downtime.
You'll also get a few simple practices to start this week. Noticing how often you say sorry. Pausing before your automatic yes. And asking at the end of each day, did that drain me or fill me?
This isn't about blaming your parents or where you grew up. It's about seeing the pattern clearly so your body doesn't have to keep protecting you this way.
Resources mentioned
The "nice, good girl" rules that made so many of us sick
Mind Body Healing Method
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
145. How To Heal Food Sensitivities
2026/10/06
If you've been cutting out food after food trying to heal your food sensitivities, and your safe list keeps getting shorter, this episode is for you. I'm recording from Austin, the city where I was once down to 10 to 15 foods for a year and a half.
I remember sitting at the food tasting for my own wedding and not being able to eat any of it. Just sitting there watching. So when I say I get it, I really get it.
Here's what I want you to hear. Your reactions are real. The bloating, the pain, the headaches after you eat, none of that is in your head. But reacting to food is not the root cause of your symptoms. When your brain learns that bread or dairy or tomatoes are dangerous, it does its job and protects you. It sends a symptom. And every time you cut out another food, the fear gets a little louder.
I also share something I don't talk about much. My eating disorder actually started with a restrictive anti-inflammatory paleo diet from a practitioner I trusted. I was just trying to help my body. We talk about why so many people with chronic symptoms end up in the same food-fear loop, and the patterns I see over and over: perfectionism, self-criticism, control. And why flexibility is one of the best things you can give yourself.
Then I walk you through what actually helped me feel safe with food again. Telling my brain before and after every meal that food is safe. Visualizing my body digesting it well, whether it was a Reese's peanut butter cup or chicken broth. Looking honestly at the stress in my life. It wasn't overnight. It was a practice, every single day.
If you're a therapist, coach, or health practitioner, stick around. I share the one language shift I want you to make with your clients starting today.
And if you have a true allergy like celiac or a nut allergy, this isn't about that. This is about the sensitivities and intolerances that showed up later in life and built up over time.
Resources mentioned:
Mind Body Healing Method, my small group nervous system program
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
144. What I've Learned About Treating Neuroplastic Symptoms
2026/09/29
Most people never think to ask whether their symptoms have a nervous system root cause. They get the gut issues, the migraines, the fatigue, the pain, and they go looking for the structural answer. More testing. More protocols. More specialists.
In this episode Grace goes back to her early days of switching her niche from eating disorders to chronic pain and illness, and shares the things she got wrong before she got solid.
The first one is safety. She used to move faster than her clients' nervous systems were ready for. Sending the podcast, sending the book, trying to convince someone that the thing they had been fighting for twenty years was actually a danger response. What she learned is that belief is not the entry point. Safety is. You do not need someone to agree with you on day one. You need them to feel safe enough to get curious.
The second one is the both/and. She spent a long time being wobbly about structural findings. The bulged disc. The SIBO. The autoimmune diagnosis. The cervical spine finding. She would back off and refer out, which left people stranded. Now she says it plainly. Structural things are real. They are also often not the reason the symptoms keep persisting. Holding both at once without flattening either one is a clinical skill, not a belief system, and it is learnable.
She also gets into the nuance she did not used to assess for, including neurodivergence, and why a framework that makes you less curious about the person in front of you is being used wrong.
Then there is the one that took the longest. You do not have to be certain to do this work. Not as a client, not as a practitioner. The 3am searching on WebMD and in the AI chats feels productive, but it is the nervous system demanding certainty before it is willing to stand down. Bodies do not hand you certainty. They hand you information. The work is building enough safety to keep moving while it is still unclear.
Resources mentioned:
Nervous System Screener questionnaire
Mind-Body Integration Method Practitioner Training, first cohort starts October 2026. Early bird pricing ends September 17, doors close October 2
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
143. How to Get Unstuck in Your Healing with Doc Tovah
2026/09/22
If you feel stuck in chronic pain recovery, this one is for you. Not the beginning part where you are figuring out what neuroplastic symptoms even are. The part where you have done the work, read the books, hired the coaches, and something still has not moved.
Doc Tovah has been a chiropractor for 41 years and has hosted the TMS Roundtable for seven, with over 500 broadcasts. She is 69. Her mother had MS starting when Doc Tovah was eleven, she grew up in a house she describes as chaotic, and she was diagnosed with Crohn's along the way. She talks about that diagnosis almost in passing, which is the whole point.
She names the pattern she sees in people who stay stuck, and it is not effort. It is disconnection. People who cannot tell you what they feel. People who say "I don't know" so often that it becomes a freeze response. People who feel okay around others and fall apart the second they are alone with themselves. That gap is the work.
We also get into the part almost nobody says out loud, which is that a victim stance can be doing a job for you. It protected me from being seen and rejected for years, and I did not know it was happening. Doc Tovah has been there too and she says it plainly. You are the problem and you are the solution, and that is the good news.
Then she gives the practice. Not a technique to add to your list. A relationship. Coffee with your fear. Going to sleep with your loneliness. Sitting with the feeling instead of building a story around it. She says fear can paralyze you or it can be fuel, and the difference is not how brave you are, it is whether you stop fighting reality long enough to be with it.
One more thing she said that I keep thinking about. Pain is not punishing you. It is protecting you. And most people who feel stuck are not far away from healing. They are standing right at the door.
Connect with Doc Tovah
- TMS Roundtable, Doc Tovah's YouTube channel
- Doc Tovah website
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
142. The Training That Catapulted My Own Healing
2026/09/15
If you have been circling the idea of mind-body practitioner training, this one is for you. Not the version where you collect a certificate. The version where the training changes you while you are learning it.
Before I took my first pain reprocessing therapy training, I had already done a lot of my own work. I had let go of most of the chronic pain. The food intolerances, the histamine reactions, the fatigue, all of it had come way down. And I had plateaued. Better, not free. There was still this low hum of managing my body instead of trusting it.
Then I went into the training and applied every single thing to myself. Light bulbs, over and over. That is the part nobody warns you about. When you learn how to guide someone else's nervous system, you are also signing up for the next chapter of your own.
I also say the thing I wish somebody had said to me five years ago. You do not have to be fully healed to help other people heal. I talk about the crash that had me lying on the couch wondering if everything I had learned was a fraud. The antidepressants I quit in college because I had decided, all on my own, that a therapist could not be on them. The imposter syndrome that has followed me my whole career. And the day my body ran an actual fever right before a three-day professional retreat, because walking into a room full of other clinicians felt that unsafe to my system.
I share what I did instead of staying in bed. It is the clearest example I have of teaching your body that you can be uncomfortable and still be safe.
If you have been quietly wondering whether you are meant to share this work with other people, the part about curiosity being the only real prerequisite is for you.
Resources mentioned
Mind Body Integration Training, my six-week live practitioner training. Founding cohort is application-based. Early bird pricing through September 17th; doors close October 2nd, first live session October 22nd.
Bring a colleague, and you each get $100 off.
https://programs.healwithgrace.co/mbimt
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
141. How to Prevent a Nervous System Flare While Traveling
2026/09/08
I just got back from three weeks in Namibia, and regulating my nervous system while traveling got tested every single day of that trip.
I'm not going to pretend it was smooth. We changed hotels more nights than not, lost service we'd already paid for, and a few days in, I felt the same warning signs that used to send me into a flare that lasted weeks. This time it lasted three days.
The difference wasn't that nothing went wrong. Things went wrong constantly. The difference was what I did next. I'd already padded my nervous system before I left, so when a flare showed up in the middle of nowhere with no doctor for hours, I had support lined up instead of panic. I got what I needed physically, then I went hard on the mind-body tools I actually teach: breath, visualization, journaling on what the flare might be asking for. It didn't erase the fear in the moment, but it kept the fear from running the show.
I'm also getting honest about the cold I came home with, and why I'm done calling every post-travel symptom "just jet lag" without asking what it's actually pointing to. In the past, coming home from a big trip meant a full week of feeling like I was falling apart. This time it didn't, and I want to walk you through why. If you've ever noticed your body has a pattern around travel, or around any kind of stress, this episode walks through how I'm learning to read that pattern instead of just riding it out.
Healing was never about never getting activated again. It's about widening how much activation you can hold before it takes you down. That's the real lesson this trip handed me, and it's what I'm handing you today.
Resources mentioned:
Episode 137. What I'm Doing to Prep My Nervous System for Travel
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
140. 5 Things I See People Do Who Recover
2026/09/01
If you're trying to figure out how to recover from chronic pain and illness and you keep hitting the same wall, this is the episode I want you to save and come back to.
Because here's what happens when you're stuck. Your frontal lobe (the logical, decision-making part of you) goes offline in a stress response. So you forget everything you've learned. I've been there. I was there a couple of years ago after my mold crash, years into being recovered, and I forgot half the skills I had. That's not failure. That's what a stressed nervous system does. So save this one. Come back to it when the flare hits and your brain goes one-track.
I'm walking through the five things I consistently see in people who go from stuck to recovered, and they're the same things that got me there. It starts with how you describe yourself (there's a real difference between "I'm someone with chronic fatigue" and "I'm a healing body," and it's not positive thinking; it's what your subconscious is running on). Then we get into stopping the 3am searching and the WebMD spiral, which feels productive but keeps your nervous system in threat mode.
We also talk about going into your emotions without being afraid of them, how to change your response when a flare shows up instead of freaking out and assuming you're back at square one, and the big one: living your life WHILE you still have symptoms. Because living first, carefully and gently, is what teaches the body it's safe. Waiting until you feel better keeps the alarm on.
None of this is willpower. It's all retraining. And it's completely learnable.
Resources mentioned:
Free neuroplastic symptom screener (2-minute quiz)
JournalSpeak by Nicole Sachs
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
139. What I Wish Every Therapist or Coach Knew About the Nervous System
2026/08/25
This one's for the therapists, coaches, and practitioners. (And honestly, if you're a listener who's ever sat across from a provider who didn't know how to help you stay. This episode is why I made it.)
Here's the gap I want to name. Most of us were trained beautifully in one half of this work. We learned to hold space, build the therapeutic relationship, sit with hard feelings, work with trauma histories. What we were never taught is that the nervous system is actively generating physical symptoms in a huge portion of our caseloads. Some physicians in this space estimate close to 40% of people walking through a primary care door have symptoms driven this way. Those are the same people landing on our couches, in our rooms, on our Zoom calls. And a lot of us were never taught to even assess for it. I know I wasn't.
So in this episode I'm walking through the difference between regulating a nervous system and rewiring it, and why almost all of us were only trained for one. Regulation is state management. It's the longer exhale, the feet on the floor, the co-regulation. It's foundational and it matters enormously (a nervous system that never gets to feel safe cannot do deeper work). BUT if regulation is all we do, we're managing the danger alarm instead of updating it.
I also get into how the brain learns a symptom in the first place, what neuroplastic symptoms actually are, why "your pain is real AND the signal is coming from the brain" is the most important thing you can say to a client, and what changes on an ordinary Tuesday afternoon when you finally have a map for the client whose GI tests keep coming back normal.
And I'll tell you what this did for me: it didn't just change my clients' outcomes, it changed how it feels to do the work. I stopped doubting whether I could help.
Resources mentioned:
Free neuroplastic symptom assessment tool
Free practitioner masterclass, Tuesday, September 8
MindBody Integration Method practitioner training, launching this fall
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
138. Healing Chronic Pain That Hasn't Budged in Years with Dr. David Schechter
2026/08/18
If you've been living with chronic pain that won't go away -> the kind that hasn't budged in years, no matter how many doctors, scans, or treatments you've thrown at it -> this conversation is going to give you something most appointments never have: a reason it makes sense, and a real way forward.
Dr. David Schechter has been treating chronic pain through a mind-body lens for decades. He trained under Dr. John Sarno himself -> the physician who started this entire field -> after walking into his office as a young medical student with knee pain that wouldn't quit. What Sarno told him that day changed the direction of his career. And what happened at that Monday night seminar might sound a lot like what you've been waiting to feel: a weight lifting.
In this episode, David breaks down the difference between acute and chronic pain, and why anything past the 3-6 month mark means your nervous system is involved -> no matter what your scans show. We get into the concept every patient needs to know: the nocebo effect. Because the words a doctor says to you ("you have a horrible spine," "you'll need surgery in five years") don't just describe your body. They can shape your pain. Language, as David puts it, is the software of the brain.
We also talk about what it takes to heal symptoms that have been around for years, not months -> the persistence, the doubts worth exploring, and why focusing on capacity instead of pain changes the trajectory. And he shares two stories I can't stop thinking about: patients who saw more than twenty physicians, and finally found their way to neuroplastic healing because AI pointed them somewhere no doctor had.
If your pain has been dismissed, mislabeled, or just plain stuck -> this one's for you.
Find Dr. David Schechter:
Website
Books:
The MindBody Workbook
Think Away Your Pain
ATNS Practitioner Directory
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
137. What I’m Doing to Prep My Nervous System for Travel
2026/08/11
You know that feeling when a trip is coming up and your brain starts running a whole side operation at 3am? That's what this episode is about: how to calm your nervous system before a trip, instead of white-knuckling your way through the two weeks beforehand.
Grace is leaving for a three week trip and instead of packing her schedule and trying to get everything done before she goes, she's doing the opposite. She calls it her grounding period. No hard workouts. No last-minute house projects. No pretending the anxiety isn't there. Just noticing it, writing it down, and letting it be there without making it mean something's wrong.
She also tells the story of the time she went straight from an ayahuasca retreat in Costa Rica to a flight to Europe, no integration time, no rest, and how that taught her more about nervous system regulation than almost anything else has. Plus the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual prep she does now, what she actually does when a flare hits mid-trip, and the realization she just had about jet lag that's going to blow your mind a little.
Resources mentioned:
John Sarno / mind-body pain literature
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
136. Your Chronic Pain Is 100% Real and Here's Why Your Nervous System Is Still Behind It
2026/08/04
If you've ever had someone tell you your pain is real and then in the same breath tell you there's nothing wrong; this episode is for you.
Here's the thing the medical model never made room for: both can be true at the same time. Your chronic pain and illness are real. Completely, 100% real. And your nervous system is still driving it. That is not a contradiction. That is how pain actually works.
Symptoms are not a damage meter. They’re a danger signal. Your brain's best guess about how much threat your body is under. Which means two people can have the identical MRI findings and one of them is in agony and one of them is fine. And a person with completely clean scans can be in the worst pain of their life. The finding does not predict the feeling. That's not a flaw in the system; that's the system doing exactly what it was built to do.
Grace breaks this down in this episode with two groups: people whose testing comes back clean (negative testing is not the end of the road — for a lot of you, it's the beginning of the real answer), and people who do have real positive findings. Both have nervous system involvement. The nervous system is the volume dial on pain, and it decides how loud the signal gets turned up — regardless of what the scan shows.
There's also a sharp test in here worth knowing: pain that moves around from your shoulders to your hip to your jaw is not structural. Tissue damage doesn't travel. A dysregulated nervous system does. And pain that eases on vacation — if a beach touches it, it's nervous system.
Save this one for when you’re flaring and need to hear it again.
Resources mentioned:
- Dr. Schechter — mind-body physician [GEL: link to his previous HWG episode]
- PRT practitioner listserv
- Practitioner masterclass
- Mind-Body Healing Method program for nervous system healing
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
135. What to Do When Healing Feels Stuck with Karden Rabin
2026/07/28
If you've been doing the breathwork, the journaling, the somatic work and you're still stuck — this episode is the one that explains why.
Karden Rabin didn't arrive at this work as a patient who got lucky. He arrived as the practitioner who thought he had the answer. Twelve years as a bodyworker — craniosacral, structural integration, myofascial release, the whole thing. Then a seven-month horror show of back pain landed him on John Sarno's book. And he couldn't unknow it. He's now the founder of Somia International and the HEAL Program and the author of The Secret Language of the Body.
What he brings to this conversation is the frame most people in this space are missing. Every technique you've been using; breathwork, brain retraining, journaling, somatic exercises is doing the same thing. It's interrupting and updating a protective pattern your nervous system built when it believed you were in danger. Most of those patterns aren't dangerous anymore. They're just on loop. The game isn't collecting more tools. It's recognizing the pattern and updating it toward safety.
He also reframes something a lot of people in this work need to hear: calm isn't the goal. Calm is a dependent state; it's what happens when two things are true. You feel safe from danger (yin). And you know you can handle danger if it shows up (yang). Most people who've done a ton of inner work have a lot of yin. They're missing the yang. Not more softness - the felt sense that if life gets hard, you've got yourself.
We also go into the "I can't" — the deep freeze that lives underneath most type A behavior, right before the double espresso and the push-through. And why dissolving it is completely different from powering past it.
Resources mentioned:
- The Secret Language of the Body by Karden Rabin and Jennifer Mann
- Somia International / HEAL Program
- John Sarno — Healing Back Pain
How to work with Grace:
Apply to the Mind Body Integration Training Founding Practitioner CohortMind-Body Healing Method Course - Regulate your nervous system nowFree Masterclass: How to Know If Your Nervous System Is Behind Your SymptomsWork with us in private mind-body coaching Subscribe to my Substack for the deeper how-to'sConnect with Grace
Connect on InstagramCheck out my website
134. Nervous System 101: How to Know If It's Behind Your Chronic Pain or Illness
2026/07/21
There's a specific kind of exhaustion that comes from understanding everything and still not changing. You've read the books. You've listened to the podcasts. You can explain neuroplastic symptoms. You might even be fully bought in. And you're still sitting in your body going — so why isn't this working?
That's what this episode is about.
Here's the thing most people in this space haven't heard yet: insight and regulation are two completely different skills. They happen in different parts of your brain. You can have a life-changing realization about why your body does what it does, and your nervous system can sit there completely unmoved by it. Because it doesn't speak the language of insight. It speaks the language of experience.
If a symptom has been in your body for more than six months — the pain, the fatigue, the gut stuff, the dizziness — your nervous system is involved. That's true no matter what your labs say. No matter what specialists have or haven't found. No matter how many times someone has told you they're not sure what's wrong. Your nervous system and chronic pain or illness are connected in ways the old medical model just never had room for.
Grace shares from her own journey in this one — including a stretch where she went deep into the physical route, got caught in protocol after protocol, and realized she wasn't working with what actually mattered: the emotional state, the belief patterns, the stuff her body had been holding. The shift that changed everything for her wasn't more understanding. It was structure. A repeatable, sequenced framework for actually practicing regulation — not just knowing about it.
This episode is for you if you're somewhere between knowing and doing. If you've absorbed all the education and your body still hasn't caught up. If you're wondering whether the nervous system piece is really what's going on for you.
The map doesn't move you. The road does.
How to work with Grace:
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Cm70104 2025/12/01
Great resource for chronic pain/symptom recovery!
I’m so glad I found Grace’s podcast. I really resonate with her grounding voice and curious attitude and appreciate the information and action steps s...
LHerbek 2025/12/01
My Comfort Podcast
Heal with Grace is seriously my comfort podcast. I look forward to Tuesday evenings when I can get cozy and listen to what Grace has to share. Her pod...
Stephanie8627 2025/11/25
Love this podcast!
Amazing podcast with such great insights to heal. It has been helpful on my own healing journey.
JessBerkel 2025/07/16
Beautiful healer
Grace has been instrumental in my healing journey. Her calm and warm approach are so soothing. I believe her work will benefit many more to come.
Hope Pedraza 2025/05/20
Love Grace’s work!
I love how Grace takes a holistic approach to mental health and ties ALL the prices together, combining science with energetics, this podcast will enl...
DrMiguelD 2025/04/16
Great podcast on recovery from pain and somatic symptoms
This podcast is truly one of a kind. Grace explains the latest in pain neuroscience and pain recovery in such a friendly easy to understand way, has s...
DJ Davy David 2025/04/13
My new favorite podcast
If you have chronic pain, this is the podcast for you! Grace does such an exceptional job combining the mental, physical and spiritual realms into act...
marzipan98 2024/12/18
Exceptional podcast!
Grace is such a gift and this podcast is a must listen for anyone experiencing chronic health issues.
Amal Hawari 2024/06/28
Podcast & NS Program Healed My Pain!
For over 6 months, I dealt with chronic out of the blue pelvic pain that suddenly became, fibromyalgia, severe food intolerances and much more. It fel...
KimMarHar 2024/05/15
So thorough
I’ve been really loving this podcast on my healing journey. Grace features an abundance of information and has excellent guests reading from practitio...
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