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Dr Tom Kelly has been Head of School at Horace Mann, one of New York's most celebrated independent schools, since 2005. His path there was far from conventional: as a student he spent a semester deliberately living as a homeless person, an experience that left him determined to waste no more time on hate. In this episode, Tom reflects on the hardest shift in school leadership, why partnership has replaced outreach, why the only thing you truly own is your name, and why we should stop telling children they're anxious. Tom also joins us on the panel at Heads & Tales Live New York on 16 November.

Dr Annalies Corbin is the founder and CEO of the PAST Foundation, an anthropologist by training who has spent more than 25 years connecting learning with real life. Her organisation brings schools, industry, research and communities together around hands-on, problem-based education, with students at the centre of the work. In this episode, Annalies argues that children are disengaged not because they dislike learning but because they can't see what it has to do with them, makes the case for mentoring that happens in the messy middle, and shares a controversial opinion that starts with getting rid of the school bell.

Adam Seldon is a teacher and author who has spent almost a decade in the classroom. The son of two teachers, he joined the profession through Teach First and has worked as a head of history, head of year and assistant principal. His new book, Around the World in Eighty Schools, follows his journey to more than 80 schools across six continents in pursuit of one question: what makes a great school? In this episode, Adam shares what he learned from classrooms in South Africa, Ethiopia and New Zealand, makes the case that the best schools treat education as an experience rather than a transaction, and explains why he thinks most school assemblies are a wasted opportunity.

Eugene du Toit is Master of Haileybury, leading around 900 pupils across 500 acres of Hertfordshire. Born in Zimbabwe and raised in South Africa, he came to teaching via economics and PwC, and has since led through St Paul's, Trinity Croydon and Wellington School. In this episode, Eugene makes the case that a child's humanity matters more than ever in a technological world, explains why he leads with belief rather than fear, and argues that the best school in the world is simply the right school for your child.

Shaun Fenton OBE is headmaster of Reigate Grammar School, Surrey's leading co-educational independent day school, and a former chair of HMC. The son of rock star Alvin Stardust, Shaun began his career in accountancy before a conversation with his old teacher drew him into education. In this episode, he makes the case for educating children to be well-educated rather than just well-qualified, argues that happiness and achievement are not a trade-off, explains why he thinks the whole idea of teacher retention is upside down, and reminds us that children won't care what you know until they know that you care.

Ramón Javier is head of school at George Jackson Academy, a middle school for boys on Manhattan's Lower East Side where every family receives financial assistance. A lifelong New Yorker and Prep for Prep alumnus, Ramón grew up on welfare in Washington Heights before attending boarding school, Williams College and Columbia. In this episode, he explains how a school funded almost entirely through philanthropy actually works, why he insists on preserving boyhood rather than rushing boys into manhood, what brotherhood really means to the boys in his care, and why he believes AI is going to make people stupid.

Alex Crossman, now Principal and Chief Executive of St George's British International School Rome, joined us while he was still executive head teacher of the London Academy of Excellence, the state sixth form in Newham that this year sent more students to Oxford and Cambridge than Eton or St Paul's. His own story mirrors the school's mission: he grew up on a West Midlands council estate, knew no one who had been to university, and went on to Oxford and the LSE before a career in finance and then teaching. In this episode, Alex dismantles the lazy criticisms of selective sixth forms, reveals the not-so-secret sauce behind LAE's results, and makes a powerful case for why every state school should prioritise pupils on free school meals.

Sally-Anne Huang is High Master of St Paul's School and the first woman to lead it in its 510-year history. After two decades in girls' education, she took the top job at St Paul's in 2020 and this September opens the St Paul's School Research Centre for the Education of Boys. In this episode, Sally-Anne makes the case for single-sex education at a time when many schools are going co-ed, explains why the conversation around young men has become dangerously catastrophised, and shares why boys need tribe, role models and the freedom to be kind. Most young men, she argues, simply want to do well.

Lord Theodore Agnew is the founder of the Inspiration Trust and a former Minister in both the Department for Education and the Treasury. One of seven children raised in Norfolk, he failed his 11-plus and left for Australia at 18 with no qualifications, before returning to build a successful insurance business and, later, one of the country's most respected academy trusts. In this episode, Lord Agnew argues that education needs fundamental and revolutionary change, explains how financial rigour has bought his pupils an extra year of schooling, and shares why he thinks homework has become a joke in the age of AI.

Tracy Fedonchik is head of school at St Luke's School, a K-8 school on a rare two-acre campus in downtown Manhattan. She came to education as a career changer in her late twenties, quitting a job as a vice president of sales and marketing to volunteer in a third grade classroom at the Dalton School, where she stayed for more than two decades before taking up headship in 2023. In this episode, Tracy reflects on what makes a New York education distinctive, why she leads through a conference table rather than a desk, and makes a heartfelt case for K-8 schools and the value of letting children stay children for longer.

Dr Carl Ward is one of the most influential voices in national education. He advises Number 10's policy unit, chairs the Foundation for Education Development and has run City Learning Trust in Stoke-on-Trent for close to 15 years, making him one of the longest serving trust CEOs in the country. In this episode, Carl argues that the Secretary of State should govern the education system rather than lead it, explains why democracy struggles with the kind of long-term planning that education needs, and makes the case that despite all the complexity we layer on top, education remains fundamentally simple: a single act between a child and an adult.

Jennifer Wallace is the New York Times bestselling author of Never Enough and Mattering, and a former producer at CBS's 60 Minutes. Her work began with a 2019 article covering two national policy reports that named students at high achieving schools as a group at serious risk, two to six times more likely to suffer from clinical anxiety and depression than the average American teenager. In this episode, Jenny explains why the pathway to high achievement is paved with mattering rather than pressure, why belonging on its own doesn't go far enough for young people, and the one thing about AI that keeps her up at night.

Dr Alex Curtis is head of school at Choate Rosemary Hall, the Connecticut boarding school whose alumni include JFK. He has led the school for 15 years, but his journey started on the other side of the Atlantic – at St Paul's Boys in London in the 1980s, where rigour and discomfort were treated as the same thing. It was only at Swarthmore that he discovered learning could be joyful. In this episode, Alex reflects on why American schools have freedoms their British counterparts don't, shares his philosophy on fundraising and explains why he thinks banning technology is a mistake. Also: VAR should end tomorrow.

We recorded this conversation with Alastair Chirnside when he was warden of St Edward's School, Oxford. This month, it was announced that he will become the next Head Master of Eton College. Alastair was Henry's classics teacher at Eton, but his route into education was far from conventional – he spent five years in fund management at Schroders before deciding that finance was not for him over a 30-year career. In this episode, he reflects on what it means to arrive at a school and read its culture before trying to change anything, the two concerns that sit at the front of his mind (VAT on fees and boarding schools staying connected to society), and his advice via Wayne Gretzky: you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Vicky Bingham is headmistress of North London Collegiate School, only the 10th head since the school's founding in 1850. A classicist by training, she's spent her entire career in girls' education after falling in love with the culture at her first teaching interview. In this episode, Vicky explains why girls' schools have a culture that enjoys change, shares her phone policy (Year 7s can't bring smartphones even onto the coach), and pushes back on the "let's teach mortgages" mentality. Her advice to her 16-year-old self: this too will pass, and what you worry about today, you will laugh about tomorrow.