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Since the original release of Total Castration in 1991 (on Public Bath) long-time Zeni Geva guitarist Mitsuru Tabata has been busy. In fact, maybe Tabata is just busy all the time—what with the numerous ongoing projects the Japanese musician is involved with right now. Following on from the Record Store Day vinyl release of Superunit: Maximum Implosion earlier this year (bringing together the collected recordings of Zeni Geva and Steve Albini in his role as a guitarist), SKiN GRAFT Records is now releasing the first ever vinyl edition of the band’s first album with Albini as producer. With this gold-vinyl edition (as well as CD), remastered by the band’s KK Null, released on the 30th of October, I caught up with Tabata to hear some of his recollections of the album and shows around that time, some of his other musical history and indeed a run through all the many different projects keeping him busy these days. Photo by Mitsushiro Hiruma. Thanks to Mark at SKiN GRAFT Records. Pre-order Total Castration from bandcamp. Mitsuru Tabata on bandcamp. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Ten years is a long time in music and it’s a long time in life. The last time Louisville, Kentucky, black-metal group Anagnorisis released a record it was with 2016’s Peripeteia. A lot has happened between that time and the imminent release of that record’s follow up, Caregriever. Perhaps most impactful over that time (certainly in the case of the latest record) was the process of Zachary Kerr’s father in-law gradually succumbing to Parkinson’s disease and dementia. Both Zachary and his wife took her father into their home when he was no longer able to live on his own and look after himself. The emotional devastation and anticipatory grief of this several-year experience were the elements from which Caregriever was born. Initially constructed in its early form by Zachary alone, he brought in friend and long-time collaborator Zak Denham and the project ultimately found its final form as the latest Anagnorisis record. Caregriever is both a harrowing and sonically harsh listening experience, but also one with glimmers of hope and beauty within it, the latter somehow making the album all the more powerful and emotionally resonant. Both Zachary and Zak join me to discuss the record, its origins, the construction of the music, its production and some history of the band itself. Click here to pre-order the record, listen to preview tracks and follow Anagnorisis. Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR Photo courtesy of Matt Simpson For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

This month, from the 23rd-27th of October, Łódź, Poland will host the 18th edition of Soundedit—an international festival “dedicated entirely to the art and technology of music production”. Combining workshops, pro-audio events, live shows and Q&As, this year’s event features appearances from Marc Almond (Soft Cell), producer Howie B (UK, Björk), Hugh Cornwell (The Stranglers) and Wolfgang Flür (Kraftwerk). In 2026 Soundedit also celebrates 50 years of punk rock, culminating with the festival’s regular Man with the Golden Ear award—to be presented to Iggy Pop, producer Bogdan Kondradcki and Polish punk musician Ziemowit Kosmowski (Brak, Rendez-Vous). Behind all of this is the festival’s founder—musician, producer and radio broadcaster Maciej Werk—and there’s far too much history and too many potential stories and anecdotes for us to fit into one hour-long conversation, but we’ll give it a go. We discuss the festival, its origins, this year’s lineup, Werk’s band Hedone, his story in the music world, tales of music fandom behind the Iron Curtain and plenty more. Visit Soundedit.pl for info, tickets and schedule. Hedone on YouTube. Thanks to Dom at 3nation For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Moni Jitchell is drummer and vocalist Grant Donaldson and guitarist David Scott and the music they make is a noisy, panic-inducing rock or post-hardcore that wouldn’t feel much out of place on 3 One G, amongst bands like The Locust, Arab On Radar and Guck (see WCN episode 94). The 23rd of October will see the duo release their latest album AWARE and by golly you can bet your bottom dollar that that’s exactly what we’re talking about in this here attached conversation—as well as the project’s origins, on-stage mishaps and funding for musicians in Scotland. Visit Moni Jitchell on bandcamp for pre-orders, to listen to singles, live dates and links. Thanks to Justine at Since Always Press. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

In the mid 1990s Sacramento four-piece nûs released two albums of cinematic alternative rock (both notably being produced by Bill Laswell) in relatively quick succession, before just as quickly disappearing into the ether—from whence their music sounds like it came from. Almost 30 years later founding members Percy Howard, Stephen Sullivan and Richard Kazanjian (plus Stephen’s son Sean on drums) make a wonderful return with their exquisite new record shapes of longing (out October 15th on Third Star Records). So where have they been all this time? Well, singer Percy and bassist Richard are kind enough to join me and tell all. nûs will be having an album release party in Sacramento next month. Of the show the band writes: Saturday, October 24th, at Two Rivers Cider, will be an amazing evening, with food, drink, music, storytelling, and lovely night of connection! Join us as we celebrate the release of our latest album “Shapes of Longing”! Recorded at the incredible 25th Street Recording Studio in Oakland, CA. Engineered by the extraordinarily talented Gabriel Shepard. Mixed by 11 time Grammy winning Producer, Joe Chiccarelli (the White Stripes, the Strokes, U2, Beck, Elton John, the Killers, Morrissey, Weezer), and Mastered by 26 time Grammy winner Howie Weinberg (too many to list). Guest players include: John Ettinger on Violin, Jack Perla on Piano, David Boyce (Broun Fellinis) on Saxophone, Natalie Carols on Vocals, and Vince DiFiore (Cake) on Trumpet.Joining nûs to perform will be John Ettinger on violin, and Nathan Kingham on Keyboards, both incredible musicians and part of the nûs family.In addition to this being a FREE show, we’ll also be gifting CD’s to those who attend!7:00 start time. No opening act. A “night with nûs”. We’ll be playing the album in its entirety, as well as some legacy tracks, some reimagines, some requested, and maybe some future tracks! We’ll see you Saturday October 24th @ Two Rivers. As well as discussing shapes of longing, some stories from the band’s early days and the time between, we also touch on some of Percy’s past collaborations, including with one Eugene S. Robinson—former guest on this podcast, alongside BUÑUEL guitarist Xabier Iriondo on episode 82. Some of you will be aware that Eugene suffered a stroke back in July. His wife Kasia Robinson started a gofundme campaign to raise money to help fund Eugene’s ongoing rehabilitation. I’m sure any donation would be gratefully received. You can find that here. Thanks to Dan at Discipline PR for setting up the interview. Photo credit: Cassandra Foster. shapes of longing on bandcamp. For all things nûs visit nusartmedia.com. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

If the name Dallas Seger is familiar to you, it might be through his role as owner/luthier of custom-guitar specialists Seger Guitars, based in Bangor Maine. You might also know Dallas from his rock-and-metal-straddling project Manic Abraxas (and you can check out my interview with Dallas and Justin Hamm discussing that project on episode 35 of this podcast). Azure, the debut album under Dallas’ new moniker David Caress sounds frankly nothing like Manic Abraxas. Certainly, there are guitars, but this is not some virtuosic, Yngwie Malmsteen noodle-fest. Azure is rather a cold, but beautiful, post-punk-inspired release with sonic terrain evoking bands like Depeche Mode, Joy Division and The Cure—on top of which Dallas (or David, if you prefer!) weaves his beguiling guitar melodies. Mostly performed and recorded by Dallas himself, Azure was mixed and mastered by Steve Austin (of Today Is The Day) in his Austin Enterprise studio and I was delighted to get the chance to hear all about the creation of the album, which will be released digitally on the 9th of October. Meanwhile please enjoy this conversation with David (I mean Dallas!). Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR. Photos by Michael Hallahan. David Caress on bandcamp. Visit Seger Guitars Visit Austin Enterprises For more stories from the musical underground you can read my column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

EXP is the latest musical project of underground, rock n’ roll veteran Jack Natz (alongside his wife, visual artist and musician A.E. Csaky). Together, with a host of guests, friends and former collaborators (like Swans and former Cop Shoot Cop percussionist Phil Puleo) the pair last week released their debut, self-titled record on Reptilian Records. Recorded at the legendary BC Studio in Gowanus, Brooklyn, NYC with Martin Bisi (who I interviewed for episode 149 of Whatever Comes Next and for a forthcoming New Noise Magazine column feature); EXP is as quirky and off-kilter as you would hope. I was excited to talk to Jack Natz about the record and some of his long, fascinating history in music and beyond. So that’s what we did and here it is. I hope you will enjoy. Buy the album on Reptilian Records Listen on bandcamp Thanks to Dave at Earsplit PR For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

This Friday, the 4th of September is World Sexual Health Day, a day that French electro-industrial act -ii- have consciously chosen to unveil their latest record Ars Erotica : Volume I—a record in which they, as they put it “are adopting a "sexpo" approach, viewing sexuality as a form of positive expression and an enriching experience, while liberating bodies and minds from the dictates of patriarchy and capitalism.” The French duo of Hélène Ruzic and Benjamin Racine joined me last year on Episode 102 of the podcast to discuss their previous record Apostles of the Flesh, on which the pair brought in various collaborators. On Ars Erotica : Volume I they revert back to working just the two of them and that is what the three of us are here to discuss. Photos: Benjamin Racine Buy Ars Erotica: Volume 1 on bandcamp Follow -ii- on Instagram For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Chicago, Illinois’ mr.phylzzz (that’s pronounced Mr. Flies, by the way) don’t play by your rules… or their rules, or anyone else’s rules really. Created ten years ago by guitarist and vocalist (and former comedian) Clinton Jacob as an outlet for wacky and humorous musical tomfoolery, mr.phylzzz will do as mr.phylzzz does. With Danny Sein on drums completing the lineup, mr.phylzzz release their latest album Fear the Lord on the 4th of September on legendary underground label Amphetamine Reptile. Join us as we discuss the forthcoming record, working with AmRep owner Tom Hazelmyer, crows, comedy, the duo’s forthcoming tour and peanut butter. Visit mr.phylzzz.com and check out all upcoming tour dates mr.phylzzz on bandcamp Photo: Madison Rease Thanks to Curran at The Chain For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

While the surreal, psychedelic funk-rock world of George Clinton and his main musical outlets Parliament and Funkadelic isn’t exactly a story of the DIY underground it’s certainly one outside of the mainstream—with an influence that stretches everywhere from hip-hop to Dutch blackened post-punk (see Amsterdam’s Ainsoph covering “Maggot Brain”). Guitarist Michael “Kidd Funkadelic” Hampton found himself a part of that world back in the mid-70s as a precocious and impressionable teenager. With Hampton recently releasing his latest mini-album King Kong (Sound Mind Records/ Lightyear/ Virgin Records/UMG) the guitarist joins me to discuss his latest recordings, tales of wild times recording and performing in the George Clinton universe, plus some of the other many musical projects he’s been involved with over the years with notable names such as Bootsy Collins, Afrika Bambaataa, Bill Laswell and Dean Ween. Album art: Philip Smith Thanks to Howard at Howlin Wuelf Buy and stream King Kong Michael Hampton on Instagram For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

When not operating Oakland, California’s Earhammer Studio (and working with bands like Necrot, High On Fire and Ulthar), Greg Wilkinson makes his own extreme music. These days Wilkinson’s multiple active bands include death-metal unit Static Abyss, legendary gore enthusiasts Autopsy (who Wilkinson joined the ranks of in recent years) and punk-grind-metal concoction Deathgrave—whose latest record Hell Is Evil comes out on Tankcrimes on the 21st of August. Wilkinson joins me to discuss the latest record, the band, his work behind the desk and his part in the Autopsy story. Band photo: Matthew Kadi Album art: Max Rain Thanks to Liz at Earsplit PR Buy Hell Is Evil from Tankcrimes and bandcamp Follow Deathgrave on Instagram Autopsy Static Abyss New Static Abyss album The Dying Hunt For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

The musical world of Chicago’s Mark Solotroff goes back to the mid 80s with power-electronics group Intrinsic Action, includes the controlled chaos of BLOODYMINDED and finds us in the present moment with the doom-infused post-punk five-piece Anatomy of Habit releasing their fifth album Paired Sentinels—with Solotroff, as always, at the helm. It’s been a long and winding path for Anatomy of Habit since their 2008 origins, with lineup changes, a brief stint on Relapse Records and the global pandemic punching a whole in the band’s momentum (as with that of most who lived through it). But you can’t keep a good, dark spirit down. And so we are here to celebrate Paired Sentinels, discuss its creation, the striking artwork by Jeff Gibson, the history of the band—as well as some of Solotroff’s other projects and inspirations. Thanks to Liz at Earsplit PR Buy Paired Sentinels Anatomy of Habit Mark Solotroff For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

It would be hard to think of a more suitable name for the latest record by Richmond, Virginian four-piece Dumb Waiter. Having formed back in 2012, Change (out this Friday) sees the band not only introduce vocals for the first time, but completely re-design their whole sound. Having spent several releases honing a complex meld of proggy, avant-garde metallic rock, the band decided they were done with musical complexity, instead wanting something more direct. The result of this transformation is Change—a record not only direct, but harsh, harrowing and anxiety inducing. Such a change, to quote the band from the title track of the latest album, doesn’t come easily. But as hard as that may have been, they did it and I’m here with vocalist/guitarist Nick Crider and bassist/vocalist Keith Paul to hear from them how and why it was time to totally reinvent the band. Album art by Taylor White Band photo Nicholas Crider Thanks to Monica at Speakeasy PR Check out Change on bandcamp Follow the band on Facebook and Instagram Check out Nick Crider’s visual work at Ickhouse For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

Although Glenn Morrow recently retired from running Bar/Non Records (the record label he founded 40 years ago), he’s still closely connected to the label. In fact Bar/Non Records, as well as celebrating its 40th anniversary, is about to release Morrow’s latest set of songs from his band Glenn Morrow’s Cry For Help, the playfully titled Our Final Album Vol. 1. So let’s dive into the history of the label and the history of Morrow the musician. Let’s discuss it all, from Morrow’s early bands A and The Individuals, to the birth of the record label and their early and fruitful work with enduringly unique They Might Be Giants. Well, ok, there’s not time in an hour to discuss everything, but there’s still time to talk Hoboken, Lou Reed and The Velvet Underground, Bob Bert and his new record Beach Bongo Bloodbath (see episode 143), The Swimming Pool Q’s and Anne Richmond Boston (see episode 133), Alex Chilton and more besides. Check out Glenn Morrow’s Cry For Help playing with Psych-O-Positive and Love, Burns at The Pet Shop in Jersey City on July 30th. For more more updates visit the band on facebook or Instagram. Check out Our Final Album Vol. 1 on bandcamp and Rhyme-Reason Thanks to Howard at Howlin’ Wuelf Media. For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com

American recording engineer Martin Bisi started BC Studio in Gowanus, Brooklyn, New York City (originally as OAO Studio) with Bill Laswell and Brian Eno 45 years ago. Having worked with names like Afrika Bambaataa and Lydia Lunch, he was involved in the nascent days of both hip-hop and no wave. As an engineer and producer Martin is greatly respected and having worked extensively with underground legends like Swans and Sonic Youth continues to work with cutting edge artists at BC Studio. That’s just one part of the story though, because Martin also has a long and fascinating history as a musician in his own right. This Friday sees the release of the latest Martin Bisi album, Dancing On The Power Lines, an album as bursting with creativity, activist spirit and humour as you could hope for from someone so dedicated to the musical underground for so many years. We discuss the latest album, his own musical evolution, Gowanus, some fascinating family history, collaborations and communities. Back in 2014 a documentary marking the first 30 years of BC Studio was released, Sound and Chaos: The Story of BC Studio. Stay tuned for an updated documentary short, marking 45 years of BC Studio, due later this year. Check out Dancing On The Power Lines and more Martin Bisi music, videos, links and other materials on his website here. Thanks to Dan at Discipline PR. Photo credit: Ego Sensation (thumbnail), Basti For more stories from the musical underground you can read my new column at New Noise Magazine: Mapping The Underground Check out my latest album ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Real Silence on Drama Recorder⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ My music on Ampwall Podcast artwork and logo: Get A Real Job Kid Intro music: “Detachment” by Tom Osman This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tomosman.substack.com