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A Neuroscience podcast. Each week I talk with experts on a range of topics from consciousness and neuroplasticity to evolution and everything in between. I have a particular interest in consciousness and understanding our inner subjective conscious experience. Evan has a Neuroscience degree from Trinity College Dublin and is the co-founder of 2 (failed) edtech startups. He is a professional tennis coach and Triathlete enthusiast.
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#172 - Meet The Author Rewriting NDE's, DMT Entities & Consciousness
2026/11/12
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Anthony Peake is a consciousness author and independent researcher whose book Is There Life After Death? has sold more than 60,000 copies worldwide. For 25 years he has studied near-death experiences, déjà vu and precognition, and he co-edited a clinicians' handbook on near-death experiences highly commended by the British Medical Association. His theory, Cheating the Ferryman, proposes that the dying brain stretches subjective time so far that death never arrives, and that we relive our lives guided by a hidden second self he calls the daemon.
Expect to learn:
- The Real Death Experience: why Peake thinks the dying brain replays your whole life
- Déjà Vu as Memory: and why 30% of people say they've never had it
- The Daemon: the hidden second self he says has lived your life before
- Isn't It Just the Subconscious?: the hardest objection, put to him directly
- DMT Entities: the mantis being that told the same man off twice
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GS EPISODES MENTIONED
David Luke - Meet the Professor of Paranormal Consciousness - DMT Entities, Telepathy Tapes & OBE's: https://youtu.be/qLKD1gt1X5o
Stuart Hameroff - Meet The Anesthesiologist Who Started The Quantum Consciousness Revolution: https://youtu.be/FG3C5nQXvZs
Robin Carhart-Harris - No. 1 Psychedelic Scientist: The Entropic Brain Hypothesis, Consciousness & DMT Entities: https://youtu.be/t-GkE4YtLRk
Andrew Gallimore - No.1 DMT Neurobiologist: Alien Worlds, DMT Entity Encounters, Attractor States and Consciousness: https://youtu.be/USgWrxEFWDA
Donald Hoffman - Donald Hoffman: "Consciousness Within Space-Time Is Doomed": https://youtu.be/dOAo04b6jCQ
David Spiegel - World's Greatest Hypnosis Scientist Makes My Arm Levitate Live On Camera!: https://youtu.be/eCtRBZHIsgQ
Rick Strassman - Meet The Father Of Modern DMT Research: https://youtu.be/KeAZOj7tYsc
David Nichols - Meet The Greatest Living Psychedelic Scientist You've Never Heard Of: https://youtu.be/6umTgXsW1lQ
GUEST LINKS
Website: https://www.anthonypeake.com/
Substack: https://anthonypeake.substack.com/
Cheating the Ferryman (book): https://www.simonandschuster.ca/books/Cheating-the-Ferryman/Anthony-Peake/9781398814868
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:34 Asking the Biggest Questions About Consciousness
0:03:52 The Migraine That Started It All
0:05:13 Cheating the Ferryman: Why the Dying Brain Stops Time
0:07:13 Near-Death vs Real Death: The Bohmian IMAX
0:08:23 The Daemon: Your Hidden Game Player
0:15:23 Is Déjà Vu a Memory of a Previous Life?
0:21:04 Seeing Half a Second Into the Future
0:25:59 Why 30% of People Never Get Déjà Vu
0:26:53 Split Brains: Two Selves in One Skull
0:33:09 Why the Being of Light Can Look Like Elvis
0:39:40 We Never Die: Time Dilation at the Point of Death
0:48:34 Bohm, Holograms and an Information Universe
0:53:50 Groundhog Day: Living Your Life Again and Again
0:59:48 Could Evolution Ever Produce a Daemon?
1:03:17 The Alzheimer's Patient Who Knew Too Much
1:07:20 Can We Prove the Daemon Exists?
1:18:26 Quantum Immortality and the Voice That Saves Lives
1:22:13 Isn't the Daemon Just Your Subconscious?
1:30:15 The Brain That Lit Up as a Man Died
1:34:44 DMT Entities and the Mantis That Came Back
1:38:34 Creating a Ghost: Thought-Forms and Tulpas
1:41:30 The UFOs Only the Camera Could See
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#171 - Meet The Greatest Ibogaine Psychedelic Scientist You’ve Never Heard Of
2026/11/09
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Dalibor Sames is a Columbia University chemist who has spent more than twenty years on a single molecule: ibogaine. His lab built the fluorescent tools that let you watch neurotransmitters move through living brain tissue — and used them to show that ibogaine works nowhere a drug is supposed to work. When they screened it against the 40 to 50 receptors every psychoactive drug hits, the result came back empty. Then he flew to Mexico, took it himself for thirty-six hours, and came back with a new theory of pharmacology.
Expect to learn:
- The Screen That Came Back Empty: cannabis hits CB1, LSD hits serotonin receptors, ibogaine binds nothing they tested
- The Stimulant That Lowers Dopamine: every other stimulant raises it, and ibogaine still doesn't cause parkinsonism
- Molecular Wizardry: how one molecule refolds proteins your own genes got wrong
- Thirty-Six Hours: his account of the molecule drawing its own atomic structure and teaching him chemistry
- Matrix Pharmacology: the theory that ibogaine reads a living system from the inside
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GS EPISODES MENTIONED
Dalibor Sames - Meet The Greatest Ibogaine Psychedelic Scientist You've Never Heard Of: https://youtu.be/K9whp_wtCoc
Deborah Mash - Meet The Ibogaine Psychedelic Scientist Who First Unravelled Its Big Mystery: https://youtu.be/z7eRtXV6ptA
GUEST LINKS
Columbia Chemistry faculty page: https://www.chem.columbia.edu/content/dalibor-sames
Sames Lab: https://www.samesgroup.org/professor-dalibor-sames
Matrix pharmacology / transporter paper: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.03.04.641351
Oxa-Iboga paper (Nature Communications, 2024): https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-024-51856-y
Gilgamesh Pharmaceuticals: https://www.gilgameshpharmaceutical.com/
Beond Ibogaine Clinic (where he took ibogaine): https://beondibogaine.com
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:43 Twenty Years Chasing One Molecule
0:05:36 Why He Finally Took Ibogaine Himself
0:07:17 Thirty-Six Hours Of "Chapters"
0:09:42 The Molecule Drew Its Own Structure
0:17:20 Day Two: The Download Kept Coming
0:24:55 Lucid And Tripping At The Same Time
0:29:17 300 Trip Reports: The Common Themes
0:33:03 It Finds The One Thing You're Hiding
0:35:39 Telephone Booths To Your Future Self
0:40:25 Noribogaine, The Metabolite Nobody Tracks
0:46:30 The Heart Risk That Kills People
0:49:21 Now We Break Everyone's Brain
0:53:03 The Receptor Screen Came Back Empty
0:56:28 The Opioid Paradox
1:05:24 Matrix Pharmacology, Explained
1:07:28 Ion Channels And The Nicotinic Pore
1:17:14 The Transporters: SERT And VMAT2
1:25:06 The Result That Drove His Students Crazy
1:31:04 Molecular Wizardry: Refolding Broken Proteins
1:35:53 Don't Call It A Dirty Molecule
1:41:21 A Stimulant That Lowers Dopamine
1:48:29 A Molecule That Reads The Living Matrix
1:49:55 The Ibogaine Genome Project: Billions Needed
2:00:34 The Man In Aspen Who Walked Again
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#170 - Meet The Man Who Was Declared Dead For 47 Minutes
2026/11/05
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Vinney Tolman is a near-death experiencer, the co-author of The Light After Death and co-founder of the nonprofit Living God's Light. In 2003, aged 25, a supplement twenty times stronger than he realised left him collapsed in a restaurant bathroom. By his account, paramedics declared him dead and zipped him into a body bag, and a rookie medic got his heart beating again 47 minutes later. He says he watched all of it from the ceiling.
Expect to learn:
- The Body Bag: why a rookie medic broke protocol and unzipped it
- Three Heartbeats: what dying felt like, from the loud pop to weightlessness
- Hearing Their Thoughts: the medics' minds, and the moment he realised the body was his
- The Guide On The Big Screen: the spirit guide he says he recognised in a town-history slideshow six months later
- Endogenous DMT: whether the brain's own psychedelic could explain any of it
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Rick Strassman - Meet The Father Of Modern DMT Research: https://youtu.be/KeAZOj7tYsc
David Nichols - Meet The Greatest Living Psychedelic Scientist You've Never Heard Of: https://youtu.be/6umTgXsW1lQ
Andrew Gallimore - No.1 DMT Neurobiologist: Alien Worlds, DMT Entity Encounters, Attractor States and Consciousness: https://youtu.be/USgWrxEFWDA
GUEST LINKS
Living God's Light: https://livinggodslight.org/
The Light After Death (2022): https://thelightafterdeath.com/
Living God's Light on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LivingGodsLight
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vinneytolman/
International Association for Near-Death Studies: https://iands.org/
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:38 Who Is Vinney Tolman?
0:03:34 The Supplement That Was 20 Times Too Strong
0:04:55 Pronounced Dead And Put In A Body Bag
0:06:53 The Rookie Who Broke Protocol
0:08:14 Watching His Whole Life Up To Age 25
0:09:35 "No Son, I'm Not God"
0:13:14 Earth Is A Grad School
0:17:30 What Leaving The Body Actually Felt Like
0:20:55 Three Heartbeats, Then Nothing
0:24:16 Feeling Sorry For "Whoever The Dead Guy Was"
0:25:29 Hearing Every Medic's Thoughts
0:26:55 Tracking Down The Rookie Medic
0:33:28 The Moment He Realised The Body Was His
0:37:36 "We Are Not Our Bodies"
0:43:48 Did He Look For A Scientific Explanation?
0:52:09 Do All Near-Death Experiences Look The Same?
0:54:38 The Being That Asks If You Want To Live
0:58:37 His Guide's Name, And A Photo Six Months Later
1:04:34 Is It Just DMT?
1:10:08 A 12-Hour Meditation And Three Letters: DMT
1:12:06 Evan Pushes Back On Endogenous DMT
1:19:26 Watching Them Find His Slot In Time
1:20:50 Ripping Out His Own Breathing Tube
1:27:19 "Don't Believe What You See In This World"
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#169 - Top Cognitive Scientist: Salvia, DMT Entities, Ibogaine & Lucid Dreaming
2026/11/02
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Anderson Todd is a cognitive scientist who studies consciousness from the inside. He teaches cognitive science at the University of Toronto, is Assistant Director of its Consciousness and Wisdom Studies Lab, works as a registered psychotherapist, and sits somewhere between Carl Jung and artificial intelligence. Salvia once destroyed his universe. An hour later, he went back in.
Expect to learn:
- The Salvia Trip: why the beings he met tore the universe apart to teach him respect
- Bad Trips Are Good Trips: how salvia's kappa opioid effect may reorganise the mind, and its surprising antidepressant effect
- The Dream Herb: the African plant that does nothing awake but supercharges your dreams
- The Spider God: the LSD trip at 17 that ended in a lifelong pact
- You Are Not One Person: why the entities people meet may be split-off parts of their own minds
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David Luke - Meet the Professor of Paranormal Consciousness - DMT Entities, Telepathy Tapes & OBE's: https://youtu.be/qLKD1gt1X5o
David Spiegel - World's Greatest Hypnosis Scientist Makes My Arm Levitate Live On Camera!: https://youtu.be/eCtRBZHIsgQ
Michael Levin - Michael Levin: Bioelectricity, Morphogenesis, Platonic Spaces & Xenobots: https://youtu.be/LTBZRVKUwyM
John Vervaeke - No.1 Biopsychist: Michael Levin's Platonic Minds & Cognition All The Way Down: https://youtu.be/jcMtjjeUV98
GUEST LINKS
University of Toronto Profile: https://www.uc.utoronto.ca/staff-faculty-profile/anderson-todd
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/AndersonTodd
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:05 Somewhere Between Carl Jung and AI
0:04:15 Why Cognitive Science Is the Heir to Alchemy
0:13:36 The Salvia Trip That Destroyed the Universe
0:19:50 "We Destroyed the Universe to Teach You a Lesson"
0:22:10 An Hour Later, He Went Back In
0:23:26 "You Have Attended Your Own Funeral"
0:28:37 Why Bad Trips Can Be Good Trips
0:32:26 Salvia's Surprising Antidepressant Effect
0:45:48 Turning Into a Japanese Rose Garden
0:48:23 Silene Capensis, the Lucid Dream Herb
0:53:58 Why Dreams Aren't Random Noise
0:59:59 90% of DMT Users Meet Entities
1:07:33 "I Have an Arrangement With a Spider"
1:13:31 Split Brains and Multiple Selves
1:18:55 Hypnotised Into Forgetting How to Read
1:19:39 Evan's Arm Rises Under Hypnosis
1:24:53 One Session, 30 Years of Smoking Gone
1:31:48 Are the Entities Out There, or Inside You?
1:38:57 Why Do So Many People Meet Mantises?
1:42:35 Why Scientists Hide Their Weirdest Experiences
1:49:55 The Third Man: Explorers' Invisible Companion
1:52:54 The Giraffe Liver Dream Drug
2:00:03 How Michael Levin Broke His Materialism
2:02:40 Taking On Dennett: "The Most Primary Data I Have"
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#168 - Meet The Scientist Growing Mini Brains In A Lab
2026/10/29
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Thomas Hartung is the toxicologist who helped pioneer organoid intelligence: growing human brain tissue in a dish and wiring it up to see whether it can learn. He directs the Johns Hopkins Center for Alternatives to Animal Testing, and before that ran the European Commission's centre for validating alternatives to animal tests. His lab grows half-millimetre brain organoids by the tens of thousands. They can get better at a simple game. By the next day, they've forgotten all of it.
Expect to learn:
- The Pee Question: yes, you can grow a mini brain from the few cells in your urine
- The Missing Cell: why organoids lacked the brain's immune cells, and why memory depends on them
- The Overnight Wipe: they improve within a training session, then forget everything by the next day
- The Bored Brain: why neurons in a dish are "longing for input"
- The Ethics Line: could a cluster of brain tissue ever suffer, and who gets to decide?
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GS EPISODES MENTIONED
Brett Kagan - Meet The Neuroscientist Creating New Forms of Sentient Biological Intelligence: https://youtu.be/TXlJc4tu1F8
Karl Friston - Meet The Neuroscientist Who Created The Best Universal Theory Of Brain Function: https://youtu.be/R-IZOFs4qmY
Michael Levin - Michael Levin: Bioelectricity, Morphogenesis, Platonic Spaces & Xenobots: https://youtu.be/LTBZRVKUwyM
GUEST LINKS
Johns Hopkins Faculty Profile: https://hub.jhu.edu/experts/profiles/thomas-hartung/
Center for Alternatives to Animal Testing (CAAT): https://caat.jhsph.edu/
Organoid Intelligence (OI): The New Frontier in Biocomputing (Frontiers in Science, 2023): https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/science/articles/10.3389/fsci.2023.1017235/full
Frontiers in Artificial Intelligence (Field Chief Editor): https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/artificial-intelligence
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:11 Why Animal Testing Is Outdated Technology
0:04:13 What A Brain Organoid Actually Is
0:06:51 Can You Grow A Brain From Your Urine?
0:10:48 Tens Of Thousands Of Snowflake-Sized Mini Brains
0:11:54 The Brain's Missing Immune Cells
0:16:23 How Organoid Intelligence Began
0:18:21 The Neurons That Learned To Play Pong
0:21:50 Punished With White Noise
0:24:38 They Learn, Then Forget Everything Overnight
0:26:05 The Holy Grail: Long-Term Memory
0:29:22 Why Trained Behaviour Isn't Intelligence (Yet)
0:32:23 "Yeah, They're Thinking"
0:35:08 Testing Drugs On Mini Brains
0:37:00 A $15 Million Bet On Alzheimer's
0:40:56 A House Fly's Worth Of Human Neurons
0:43:43 The Frankenstein Problem
0:46:20 "We Could Probably Make A Dragon"
0:51:07 "Can I Talk To Them?" No.
0:54:24 Animal Testing Is Losing The Public
0:57:37 Could A Mini Brain Ever Suffer?
0:58:53 "These Organoids Will Never Be Cuddled"
1:02:20 Your Brain vs A $600M Supercomputer
1:03:58 Ask ChatGPT, Get Eaten By The Tiger
1:10:00 What Comes Next For Organoid Intelligence
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#167 - No.1 Plant Neurobiologist: Plant Conciousness, Root Brains & The Sentient Cell
2026/10/26
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František Baluška is the cell biologist who helped turn plant intelligence from a fringe idea into a field. At the University of Bonn he co-organised the first Symposium on Plant Neurobiology, and his lab showed that the same anaesthetics that knock humans out stop a Venus flytrap from snapping shut. With Arthur Reber and William Miller he co-wrote The Sentient Cell, which argues that cognition didn't begin with brains, but with the very first cell.
Expect to learn:
- The Anaesthetised Flytrap: why plants go under with the same drugs that knock us out
- The Addicted Ants: how acacia trees hook their bodyguards so they refuse any other food
- The Root Brain: Darwin's idea that every root tip acts like a mini brain
- The Self-Assembling Animal: separate every cell of a hydra and it rebuilds itself
- The Lost Cancer Cell: why tumours may be cells that have lost their map of the body
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GS EPISODES MENTIONED
Michael Levin - Michael Levin: Bioelectricity, Morphogenesis, Platonic Spaces & Xenobots: https://youtu.be/LTBZRVKUwyM
William B. Miller Jr. - Meet The Scientist Proving Your Cells Are Conscious and Intelligent: https://youtu.be/xrV5oGyyKSI
Denis Noble - Denis Noble: Evolution Has Purpose, Cell Consciousness & Why The Last 70 Years of Genetics Is Wrong: https://youtu.be/xqw-DaWVK24
Philip Ball - Philip Ball: "Biology Is Infinitely Weirder Than We Thought": https://youtu.be/9SseGx0R0fY
GUEST LINKS
University of Bonn (IZMB) Group Page: https://www.izmb.uni-bonn.de/en/plant-cell-biology-1/ag-baluska
The Sentient Cell (2023): https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-sentient-cell-9780198873211
Anaesthetics Stop Plant Organ Movements (Annals of Botany, 2018): https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6215046/
Senomic View of the Cell: Senome versus Genome (2018): https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6132427/
The Third Way of Evolution: https://www.thethirdwayofevolution.com/people/view/frantisek-baluska
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:26 From Plant Roots To The Very First Cell
0:05:37 Plants vs Humans: Different In Scale, Not Kind
0:08:59 How Plants Turn Caterpillars Into Cannibals
0:10:08 The Tree That Gets Ants Addicted
0:13:26 Blind Biochemistry Or Real Cognition?
0:15:22 Do Cells Choose Their Own Mutations?
0:19:37 The Senome: The Cell's Missing Layer
0:23:55 "What Is Living Can Be Anaesthetised. The Rest Is Dead."
0:27:39 Wounded Plants Anaesthetise Themselves
0:29:02 How Do You Know A Daffodil Is Knocked Out?
0:36:03 The Field Science Tried To Shut Down
0:37:25 Darwin's Root-Brain Hypothesis
0:38:55 Roots That Swarm Like Birds
0:40:51 Underground Plant Wars
0:41:31 The Fungal Internet
0:47:10 Could AI Let Us Talk To Plants?
0:50:00 Cell Sentience vs Human Consciousness
0:53:10 Why Your Sense Of Self Is An Illusion
0:57:03 The Animal That Rebuilds Itself From Loose Cells
1:01:46 Your Membrane Traces Back To The First Cell
1:05:52 Heart Transplants And Personality Changes
1:10:31 Cancer Cells Have Lost The Map
1:15:15 "The Gene Outside The Cell Is Nothing"
1:16:47 Will Michael Levin Win A Nobel?
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#166 - Meet the Neuroscientist Who Discovered That Some People Have No Inner Speech
2026/10/22
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Johanne Nedergaard is the cognitive scientist who, with Gary Lupyan, named anendophasia: the absence of an inner voice. An assistant professor at Aarhus University and a 2024 Aarhus University PhD prize winner, she ran the first experiments testing what changes when the voice in your head goes quiet. The answer was far less than anyone expected.
Expect to learn:
- The Missing Voice: why some people report no inner speech at all, and why nobody noticed
- The Rhyme Test: they struggled with word lists and rhymes, until they said the words out loud
- Mind Over Muscle: jam someone's inner voice and they push less hard on the bike
- Heart Talk: raising your heart rate while lying perfectly still, using only words
- The Control Question: why mental health tracks whether you can switch your inner voice off, not whether it's kind
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GS EPISODES MENTIONED
Russell Hurlburt - No. 1 Inner Experience Expert: Inner Monologue, Aphantasia and How Your Mind Lies to You: https://youtu.be/j0gKl-g3DNg
Adam Zeman - The Blind Mind’s Eye: How Aphantasia Is Rewriting Consciousness ! Dr Adam Zeman: https://youtu.be/SgA2up6-Bok
Alex Hutchinson - Alex Hutchinson: The Lie That Unlocked Human Limits, Tricking Perception & Aphantasia!: https://youtu.be/YqqU4ckq8s8
GUEST LINKS
Aarhus University Profile: https://pure.au.dk/portal/en/persons/[email protected]
Personal Site: https://johannenedergaard.github.io
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/johanneskned.bsky.social
Nedergaard & Lupyan (2024), Not Everybody Has an Inner Voice: https://doi.org/10.1177/09567976241243004
Nedergaard et al. (2023), Mind Over Body: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psychsport.2023.102472
Wallentin et al. (2025), Heart Talk: https://doi.org/10.1111/psyp.70138
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:02 What Is Anendophasia?
0:04:19 The Viral Threads That Started It All
0:05:57 Four Experiments on People With No Inner Voice
0:07:12 Saying the Words Out Loud Closed the Gap
0:14:10 Can You Trust Your Own Introspection?
0:17:27 Detecting Inner Speech From the Outside
0:19:56 How Many People Have No Inner Voice?
0:20:54 Where Your Inner Voice Comes From
0:23:24 Is It Genetic?
0:26:06 Unconscious Inner Speech and the Aphantasia Parallel
0:30:58 Deaf People Sign to Themselves Silently
0:33:25 What Your Self-Talk Reveals About Your Sport
0:35:46 Jam Your Inner Voice and You Push Less Hard
0:43:45 Raising Your Heart Rate With Words Alone
0:47:12 Positive vs Negative Self-Talk in Sport
0:52:55 What Silent Minds Reveal About Thinking
0:56:13 Mental Health Is About Control, Not Content
1:02:23 Psychedelics and the Inner Voice
1:03:51 Can You Train an Inner Voice?
1:07:25 They Never Rehearse Conversations
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#165 - Donald Hoffman: "Consciousness Within Space-Time Is Doomed"
2026/10/19
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Donald Hoffman is the cognitive scientist whose own maths told him reality isn't what it seems. Around 1986, after seven years modelling perception, the equations said we render the world on the fly, and he has been recovering ever since. Now Professor Emeritus at UC Irvine, he has founded the Trace Institute to rebuild physics from conscious observers, starting outside spacetime. Its first collaboration, with Andrew Gallimore, asks whether DMT entities are glimpses beyond the headset.
Expect to learn:
- The Trace: the 121-year-old maths behind every observer window
- Zero For Trillions: why no theory of consciousness explains a single experience
- The Nose Test: why seeing your own nose shows how restricted your headset is
- The DMT Experiment: passing information through an entity under controlled conditions
- Mach 40: what UFOs might look like to someone with the headset's source code
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Michael Graziano - Is This Greatest Consciousness Theory You’ve Never Heard Of: https://youtu.be/ZnasmLpY5_8
David Luke - Meet the Professor of Paranormal Consciousness - DMT Entities, Telepathy Tapes & OBE's: https://youtu.be/qLKD1gt1X5o
Karl Friston - Meet The Neuroscientist Who Created The Best Universal Theory Of Brain Function: https://youtu.be/R-IZOFs4qmY
GUEST LINKS
Trace Institute Profile: https://traceinstitute.org/people/donald-hoffman/
Trace Institute Website: https://www.traceinstitute.org/
Trace Institute YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TraceInstitute
X: https://x.com/donalddhoffman
UC Irvine: https://sites.socsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/
The Case Against Reality (2019): https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393254693
Trace × Andrew Gallimore (DMT research): https://traceinstitute.org/collaborations/gallimore/
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0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:45 The Biggest Unsolved Problem In Science
0:05:38 Physicists Say Spacetime Is Doomed
0:11:03 Dennett, Graziano And The Illusion Of Consciousness
0:14:35 What Is A Trace? Markov Chains Made Simple
0:22:23 The Discovery That Founded The Trace Institute
0:26:10 Recursive Trace Logic: How Observers Become Agents
0:31:27 The CCTV Metaphor For Reality
0:37:01 Why There's Always A Nose In Your Vision
0:41:08 How Big Is Reality Beyond The Interface?
0:43:10 What "Consciousness Is Fundamental" Actually Means
0:52:43 Consciousness Science Has Explained Zero Experiences
0:58:03 Does Your Consciousness Belong To You?
1:01:57 If Consciousness Is One, Why Isn't Telepathy Common?
1:08:16 "I Have No Neurons"
1:11:13 The Maths That Slapped Him In 1986
1:20:04 Andrew Gallimore And The DMT Entity Experiment
1:26:34 The Swami Who Showed Zero Powers
1:32:08 The DMT Mantis And Why Reports Are So Consistent
1:37:28 Are DMT Entities Real, Or Just Icons?
1:46:35 Nine Conjectures To Rebuild All Of Physics
1:49:29 UFOs At Mach 40
1:50:19 Neuroscience As Headset Engineering
1:57:13 Hacking The Source Code Of Reality
2:04:28 AI Is "Dumber Than Cucumbers"
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#164 - Meet The Scientist Who Thinks Aliens Are Actually Humans From The Future
2026/10/15
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Michael Masters is the biological anthropologist who thinks the grey aliens might be us. A professor at Montana Technological University, he studies how the human skull, face and eyes evolved over six million years, and has excavated at a 3.5-million-year-old hominin site in South Africa. His extratempestrial hypothesis argues that the beings described in UFO encounters are our own descendants, travelling back in time to study their evolutionary past. He says it's falsifiable, just not in his lifetime.
Expect to learn:
- The Brazilian Farmer: the 1950s abduction that ended in sex with a near-human woman
- The Earlier Cases: the abduction reports that predate Betty and Barney Hill
- Brain Up, Face Back: why six million years of skull evolution point towards the greys
- The Gamete Problem: why our descendants might come back for our sperm and eggs
- Falsifiable By Time: why he'll be "long dead" before anyone knows if he's right
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Andrew Gallimore - No.1 DMT Neurobiologist: Alien Worlds, DMT Entity Encounters, Attractor States and Consciousness: https://youtu.be/USgWrxEFWDA
Rick Strassman - Meet The Father Of Modern DMT Research: https://youtu.be/KeAZOj7tYsc
GUEST LINKS
Montana Tech Faculty Profile: https://mtech.edu/arts-sciences/faculty/michael-masters/index.html
X: https://x.com/MorphoTime
Website: https://idflyobj.com/
Identified Flying Objects (2019): https://www.leighbureau.com/books/identified-flying-objects
The Extratempestrial Model (2022): https://www.leighbureau.com/books/the-extratempestrial-model
Lomas, Case & Masters (2024), The Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis: https://doi.org/10.29202/phil-cosm/33/3
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0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:26 The Skull Scientist Who Studies UFOs
0:03:46 "They Could Be Us From The Future"
0:07:21 The Book On The Shelf That Started It All
0:09:10 Whitley Strieber And Communion
0:10:49 Abductees Who Never Told Their Own Families
0:17:13 The Archetypal Abduction Story
0:19:38 The Nimitz: 80,000ft In Under Two Seconds
0:20:37 The Farmer Who Had Sex With An Alien
0:22:22 "I Just Floated Right Through The Ceiling"
0:24:06 Did Sci-Fi Invent Alien Abductions?
0:29:15 DMT Entities, Machine Elves And UFOs
0:37:32 The 2017 Story That Broke UFOs Open
0:42:08 "The Disc-Shaped Craft Are The Time Machine"
0:44:39 Why The Greys Are Built Like Hominins
0:47:26 Can You Really Fast-Forward Evolution?
0:49:30 Brain Up, Face Back: 6 Million Years Of Skulls
0:56:04 Are We Just Projecting Human Faces?
1:00:13 How Far In The Future Are They From?
1:03:23 Why Would We Evolve To Look Like That?
1:06:51 Falling Sperm Counts And The Gamete Mystery
1:15:01 How Do You Falsify Time-Travelling Aliens?
1:22:27 Teaching A University Class On UFOs
1:30:13 Is The US Government Hiding Something Huge?
1:32:40 Keeping UFOs Quiet Through Grad School
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#163 - Meet The Greatest Near-Death-Experience Scientist You’ve Never Heard Of
2026/10/12
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Janice Holden is a near-death-experience researcher who designed the first hospital experiment to catch consciousness outside the body, edits the Journal of Near-Death Studies and spent 31 years on the University of North Texas faculty. For nearly 40 years she has tested one claim: that patients whose hearts have stopped can see the room from above. Surgeons have corroborated some of those details. No controlled study has caught one yet.
Expect to learn:
- The Leg In The Yellow Bag: an anaesthetised patient described an amputation in the next operating room
- The Post-it Notes: a heart patient saw a detail only his surgeon would know
- The Hidden-Target Experiment: pictures hidden near hospital ceilings, visible only from above
- The Life Review: reliving every moment of your life as the people you affected
- DMT Vs Near-Death: why the brain may interpret reality rather than create it
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Anil Seth - No. 1 Consciousness Expert: Optical Illusions that Prove Reality is a Lie, Emotions, Books and AI!: https://youtu.be/lOSA06K0l1o
Karl Friston - Meet The Neuroscientist Who Created The Best Universal Theory Of Brain Function: https://youtu.be/R-IZOFs4qmY
Marjorie Woollacott - Neuroscientist: "Your Brain Doesn't Create Consciousness" — NDEs, Telepathy and Terminal Lucidity: https://youtu.be/mDWtmfmIUHA
GUEST LINKS
Website: https://www.janholden.com
The Handbook of Near-Death Experiences: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0313358648
Journal of Near-Death Studies: https://www.janholden.com/jnds
IANDS: https://iands.org
Articles: https://www.janholden.com/copy-of-articles
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0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:15 From Doctoral Student To 40 Years Of Near-Death Research
0:03:38 How Resuscitation Created The Near-Death Experience
0:09:06 What Actually Happens During A Near-Death Experience
0:11:03 Moving At The Speed Of Thought
0:11:41 The Tunnel And The City Of Light
0:13:18 The Life Review: Feeling What Everyone Else Felt
0:14:55 "It's Not Your Time": Why People Come Back
0:19:27 Why Near-Death Experiences Aren't Just Dreams
0:21:09 The Woman Who Watched Her Own Surgery
0:27:11 The Post-it Notes A Dead Patient Saw
0:32:31 The Doctors Who Corroborated These Cases
0:33:39 The Harvard Neurosurgeon Who Changed His Mind
0:37:38 Why "False Memory" Doesn't Explain It
0:40:08 The Patient Who Floated Into The CPR Training Room
0:45:05 Hiding Pictures On Hospital Ceilings
0:49:35 Seven Studies, No Hits Yet
0:53:32 Is Humanity Ready For Proof?
0:58:08 DMT Vs Near-Death Experiences
1:06:35 Does The Brain Create Reality Or Interpret It?
1:10:27 Consciousness Before Birth And After Death
1:14:47 Why Don't We See This All The Time?
1:17:30 Karma And The Afterlife In Southeast Asia
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#162 - Meet The Scientist Who Says We've Gotten Cancer Completely Wrong
2026/10/08
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Carlos Sonnenschein is Professor of Integrative Physiology and Pathobiology at Tufts University School of Medicine. With Ana Soto, he developed the tissue organisation field theory of cancer: the idea that a tumour begins not in a rogue cell, but in the breakdown of the tissue around it. For fifty years he has argued that cancer research has been looking one level too low. Here he explains why the mutations we find in tumours may be the wreckage, not the cause.
Expect to learn:
- The default state: why every cell's natural tendency is to proliferate
- Growth factors: why he argued they don't exist, and why people laughed
- Mutations without cancer: why he says no gene has been shown to cause a cancer
- Targeted therapy: why he believes the target was never really there
- Cellular agency: how life, proliferation and motility fit together
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GUEST LINKS
Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=VmTCfroAAAAJ
IEA Nantes Fellow Profile: https://www.iea-nantes.fr/en/fellows/carlos-sonnenschein
Biological Purpose Project: https://www.biologicalpurpose.org/people/carlos-sonnenschein
ResearchGate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos-Sonnenschein
An Integrative Approach Toward Biology, Organisms, and Cancer (2018): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29119499
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0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:26 From Paediatrics to Cancer Research
0:05:23 The Oestrogen Paradox
0:08:43 Proliferation Is the Default State of Every Cell
0:12:27 Inhibitors of Inhibitors
0:14:06 "Growth Factors Don't Exist"
0:15:31 The Somatic Mutation Theory
0:17:41 The Society of Cells and the Tissue Theory of Cancer
0:21:44 Stars and Dogs: Funding a Minority View
0:23:49 Teaching Cancer Through Genetics
0:25:01 How Does Tissue Keep Cells in Check?
0:26:04 Metastasis
0:28:34 Prostate Cancer and Spontaneous Regression
0:30:38 The Cost of Cancer Treatment
0:31:49 Melanoma, UV and the Standard Model
0:32:24 Mutations Without Cancer
0:35:17 No Gene Causes Cancer: BRCA1, p53 and RAS
0:37:00 Why Targeted Therapy Isn't Targeted
0:38:03 When Treatment Causes Cancer
0:40:39 What Does Genome Sequencing Tell You?
0:42:24 Why Does Cancer Run in Families?
0:45:41 Trauma, Healing and Tissue Robustness
0:47:59 A Theory of Organisms
0:50:59 What Is Life?
0:52:18 Economics Is a Branch of Biology
0:53:36 Cellular Agency
0:58:36 Defining Life: Proliferation and Motility
1:01:36 When Did Cells Become Agents?
1:04:49 The Future of Cancer Research
1:09:52 Final Thoughts
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#161 - Meet The Psychonaut Who Survived Extended-State DMT
2026/10/05
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Alexander Beiner is the writer who volunteered as a guinea pig for the world's first extended-state DMT trial. At Imperial College London, he was one of eleven people kept on a continuous DMT drip for thirty minutes. He is a co-Executive Director of Breaking Convention, Europe's largest psychedelic conference, and the author of The Bigger Picture.
Expect to learn
- The Chinchillas: hyperdimensional beings he had never seen in real life, speaking a visible language
- The Reply: he sent a symbol back, they went ballistic, then got bored and left
- The Pharmacology Problem: why tolerance to LSD and psilocybin does nothing to DMT
- The Synchronicity: the stranger across a London road, and what he learned that night
- The Spider Queen: a planet-sized entity that wrapped him in a web
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Rick Strassman - Meet The Father Of Modern DMT Research: https://youtu.be/KeAZOj7tYsc
Robin Carhart-Harris - No. 1 Psychedelic Scientist: The Entropic Brain Hypothesis, Consciousness & DMT Entities: https://youtu.be/t-GkE4YtLRk
David Luke - Meet the Professor of Paranormal Consciousness - DMT Entities, Telepathy Tapes & OBE's: https://youtu.be/qLKD1gt1X5o
GUEST LINKS
X: https://x.com/AlexanderBeiner
Kainos (Substack): https://beiner.substack.com/
Personal Site: https://www.alexanderbeiner.com/
Breaking Convention: https://breakingconvention.co.uk/performers/alexander-beiner
The Bigger Picture - Author Page: https://www.penguin.com.au/authors/alexander-beiner
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0:00:00 Trailer
0:01:59 Why Changing Minds Isn't Enough
0:02:54 A Magic Mushroom Homecoming In Holland
0:05:33 Joining Europe's Largest Psychedelic Conference
0:06:44 Why He Signed Up To Be A DMT Guinea Pig
0:08:03 Half Of DMT Users Meet Autonomous Entities
0:10:38 Meeting The Hyperdimensional Chinchillas
0:14:25 He'd Never Seen A Chinchilla In Real Life
0:15:14 "They Were Speaking A Visible Language"
0:17:47 Why Priming Can't Explain The Chinchillas
0:21:33 The Metaphysical Shift After 100 Episodes
0:26:21 DMT Immunity And The Cross-Tolerance Mystery
0:28:07 Why Psychedelics Make Avoiding Pain Harder
0:29:28 The Placebo Dose And The Prank Paranoia
0:32:24 Three Heartbeats To The Deepest Trip
0:35:06 Wired Up: The Hidden Rituals Of The Lab
0:39:29 Would He Ever Come Back?
0:40:22 Psychedelic PTSD And The Fear Of Madness
0:41:31 The Synchronicity He Still Can't Explain
0:46:37 If Everything's Conscious, Where's The Telepathy?
0:49:16 Why The East Talks Openly About Ghosts
0:53:45 The Planet-Sized Spider Queen
0:58:51 "This Is So Similar To What McKenna Described"
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#160 - Meet The Physicist Proving The Universe Builds Itself Out Of Information
2026/10/02
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Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic is a physicist turned cognitive scientist and Professor Emeritus at Chalmers University of Technology, with doctorates in both physics and computer science. Across three careers she built info-computationalism: the idea that nature is information and computation at every level, from particles to minds. Her conclusion puts her at odds with much of her own field. Cognition arrives with life itself, which puts consciousness in a single bacterium and nowhere in today's AI.
Expect to learn:
- Info-computationalism: why nature is information and computation all the way down
- Cell consciousness: why a single cell is already sensing, deciding and minimally aware
- The Levin divide: where she draws the line Michael Levin won't
- Anaesthetised bacteria: why ether switches off organisms with no brain
- Machines that can't feel: why today's AI has intelligence but no goals of its own
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Michael Levin - Michael Levin: Bioelectricity, Morphogenesis, Platonic Spaces & Xenobots: https://youtu.be/LTBZRVKUwyM
Michael Levin & Earl Miller - Michael Levin & Earl Miller: Platonic Space of Minds, Bioelectricity, Cell Intelligence & Neurobots: https://youtu.be/6mU5nN5nlLA
William B. Miller Jr. - Meet The Scientist Proving Your Cells Are Conscious and Intelligent: https://youtu.be/xrV5oGyyKSI
Mark Solms - Meet the Scientist Proving Dreams Hold the Key to Consciousness! Dr Mark Solms: https://youtu.be/nMWaQ1U6dcc
GUEST LINKS
Chalmers Profile: https://www.chalmers.se/en/persons/dodig/
X: https://x.com/DodigGordana
Chalmers Research Publications: https://research.chalmers.se/en/person/dodig
Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=bvc5bBsAAAAJ
ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9881-400X
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gordana-dodig-crnkovic/
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:44 Physicist, Computer Scientist, Cognitive Scientist
0:08:05 What Is Information, Really?
0:13:16 You Can't Observe Without Changing The System
0:16:14 Are Conscious Agents The Most Fundamental Thing?
0:20:06 A Single Cell Is Already Conscious
0:27:16 Where She Parts Ways With Michael Levin
0:28:41 Can We Build A Machine That Creates Itself?
0:33:38 Why A Book Is Just Food To An Insect
0:39:40 You Are Trillions Of Information Agents
0:44:09 Science's Obsession With Measurement
0:46:40 Xenobots And The Cells Nobody Programmed
0:51:02 Agency Or Just Complicated Chemistry?
0:55:58 Why No Experiment Can Settle This
0:57:22 Where Computation Ends And Cognition Begins
1:01:08 Would Levin Say Gene Networks Think?
1:03:37 Why Survival Might Be Essential For Consciousness
1:07:07 You Can Anaesthetise A Bacterium
1:11:08 Can Consciousness Be Written Down As Maths?
1:19:31 How AI Could Help Us Understand Minds
1:22:35 Should We Ever Build Conscious AI?
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#159 - No. 1 Biopsychist: Michael Levin's Platonic Minds & Cognition All The Way Down
2026/09/28
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John Vervaeke is an award-winning cognitive scientist at the University of Toronto, where he directs the Cognitive Science programme and the Consciousness and Wisdom Studies Laboratory. He helped pioneer relevance realisation — the claim that underneath your intelligence, your attention and your consciousness sits a single process, and that every living thing is doing it. He has argued since 1997 that this process cannot be a computation, and his field is only now conceding the point: even predictive processing, its dominant framework, is increasingly admitted to presuppose the thing he named. A cell decides what matters to it. So does a bacterium. Possibly everything that has ever been alive, long before there was a brain to think with.
Expect to learn:
- Relevance realisation: how you ignore almost everything in front of you and still land on what matters
- Cognition all the way down: why a single cell is doing the same thing your mind is, only smaller
- The line at life: why a tornado self-organises but never cares, and what that rules out
- Why computation can't do it: the reason large language models collapse on open-ended problems and always will
- Mind as the between: the case that consciousness isn't inside your head but in the coupling with your world
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Michael Levin - Michael Levin: Bioelectricity, Morphogenesis, Platonic Spaces & Xenobots: https://youtu.be/LTBZRVKUwyM
Michael Levin & Earl Miller - Meet the Scientist Showing Every Cell In Your Body is Conscious!: https://youtu.be/6mU5nN5nlLA
Philip Ball - Philip Ball: Why Quantum Mechanics is NOT What you think, Consciousness, Brain Organoids, AI & Life!: https://youtu.be/nNbG5lnp51E
Philip Ball - Philip Ball: "Biology Is Infinitely Weirder Than We Thought": https://youtu.be/9SseGx0R0fY
Andrés Gómez Emilsson - Consciousness Expert Explains The 6 Levels Of The DMT Experience: https://youtu.be/xMdl7zF2MWE
Anil Seth - No. 1 Consciousness Expert: Optical Illusions that Prove Reality is a Lie, Emotions, Books and AI!: https://youtu.be/lOSA06K0l1o
GUEST LINKS
University of Toronto Faculty Profile: https://www.psych.utoronto.ca/people/directories/all-faculty/john-vervaeke
Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/
X: https://x.com/vervaeke_john
YouTube (Awakening from the Meaning Crisis): https://www.youtube.com/user/johnvervaeke
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis (book): https://johnvervaeke.com/books/awakening-from-the-meaning-crisis/
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:54 The Meaning Crisis, Explained by a Cognitive Scientist
0:04:16 The Patterns in This Room Outnumber the Particles in the Universe
0:06:45 How Your Mind Ignores Almost Everything
0:09:09 "Dad, It's Relevance Realisation All The Way Down"
0:10:24 Noise Is Just Information Nobody Needs
0:15:33 Comparing a Human Mind to a Single Cell
0:18:01 Michael Levin's Cognitive Light Cone
0:19:49 The Cone of Caring
0:23:20 How Far Down Does Mind Actually Go?
0:24:15 Why a Tornado Isn't Alive
0:25:34 Pressing Michael Levin to Admit He's a Platonist
0:34:01 The Water Bottle Experiment
0:40:34 Where Levin Leaps From Patterns to Minds
0:48:12 The Problem With Symmetry Theories of Consciousness
0:55:03 Why LLMs Fall Apart on Open-Ended Problems
1:00:16 Obviousness Is Not a Physical Property
1:05:11 The Shark That Dies in the Sahara
1:10:49 What Consciousness Is Actually Doing
1:15:12 Are Neural Correlates a Dead End?
1:22:07 "We Should Stop Funding It"
#158 - Meet The Scientist Redefining Intelligence With Michael Levin
2026/09/24
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Richard Watson is a professor of artificial intelligence and theoretical evolutionary biology at the University of Southampton and the author of Compositional Evolution. He argues that adaptation does not require natural selection at all, and that biology has spent a century mistaking one for the other. With Michael Levin he published Natural Induction, which shows that any network whose connections give way under stress will begin to learn on its own. Ecosystems. Gene networks. Possibly the chemistry of the early Earth, long before anything was alive to be selected.
Expect to learn:
- Cognition before selection: why learning came first and natural selection came second
- The spring mechanism: how falling masses solve hard puzzles with no brain, no genes and no designer
- Ecosystems that compute: the model where an ecosystem solves a Sudoku without reproducing or inheriting
- The limits of the genome: why no amount of sequencing will explain what a cell is actually doing
- Medicine as persuasion: treating tissues as cognitive systems to negotiate with, not machines to fix
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GS EPISODES MENTIONED
Michael Levin - Michael Levin: Bioelectricity, Morphogenesis, Platonic Spaces & Xenobots: https://youtu.be/LTBZRVKUwyM
GUEST LINKS
University of Southampton Profile: https://www.southampton.ac.uk/people/5x27lw/professor-richard-watson
Personal Website: https://www.richardawatson.com
Natural Induction (Entropy, 2024, with Michael Levin): https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/26/9/765
Publications: https://www.richardawatson.com/publications-1
ResearchGate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard-Watson-10
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Trailer
0:02:43 The Assumptions Every Biologist Knows Are Wrong
0:03:53 "All of Life Is Cognitive"
0:06:58 Survival Is a Consequence, Not the Driver
0:09:32 How Cognition Could Come Before Natural Selection
0:14:03 Adaptation Isn't What Natural Selection Does
0:17:57 What a Sudoku Puzzle Teaches About Life
0:20:41 Masses, Springs and the Physics of Learning
0:23:45 When Springs Start to Remember
0:26:18 Learning as "Second-Order Falling"
0:28:56 No Selection, No Neural Nets, No Design
0:31:03 What "Memory" Actually Means
0:35:59 Gene Networks That Learn
0:38:13 An Ecosystem Solving Sudoku
0:43:22 Natural Selection "Isn't Doing Anything Clever"
0:52:08 No Amount of Sequencing Will Answer This
0:57:23 Will We Ever Model a Cell? "Bottom Up, Never"
1:01:23 Rethinking Medicine: Persuadable Systems
1:08:01 Agency, or Just Complex Biochemistry?
1:20:47 "I Don't Do Consciousness"
1:23:30 Three Things That Changed His Mind
1:25:39 Analytic Idealism and the Dream Argument
1:33:31 Why Doesn't Your Consciousness Blur Into the Chair?
1:35:47 McGilchrist and Why We're Blind to It
1:38:47 It Was Never About Survival
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