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Recorded six weeks ago—if that gives any indication of how busy things have been — Episode 3.6 is short, sweet, and sets the table for the Season 3 finale with Dr. Melanie Uhde. Before taking listeners all the way to Science Town, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh start with the basics: operant conditioning, the four quadrants, and what “punishment” actually means—hint: the dog decides, and it’s not a squirt bottle (at least not for Jenny’s GSD, Mando). Beyond terminology, this episode marks the first time balanced training is the main topic of discussion. Against the backdrop of an ideological war between training camps (and after experiencing some truly unhinged reactions to their willingness to stop behaviors that were quite literally going to get dogs killed), Ashlyn and Jenny discuss why balanced training is not only necessary, but often life-saving. They share real-world examples drawn from a statistically significant sample size (yes, they’re being scientific now) and explore whether lived experience can meaningfully influence the broader conversation. Or not—because, Jenny wonders, is it not just all the dogs on drugs? The episode also includes highlights from the Michael Ellis / Melanie Uhde Aversive Control seminar, including a gummy-adjacent encounter with a local trainer/breeder that very nearly didn’t make the cut. And for listeners less invested in the science and training discussion, skip ahead to Questions: resident nutrition savant Ashlyn shares some truly useful recommendations—especially for large breeds—you won’t want to miss. Stay tuned for Behind the Scenes where the banter is real, and listeners will understand why Shadowfax will never be invited to a podcast recording again. POD MENTIONS: Melanie Uhde Michael Ellis School Fixers Collective Reel AVSAB Veterinary Position Statement Nutriscan Optagest Mushroom Matrix Skin & Coat Myos Connectin Cosequin PARTNER MENTIONS: Fixers Collective Saving Great Animals Forever Home Dog Rescue Washington Health Outreach Regional Animal Services King County PAWS ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: Tera Tails Moses Cutie Pie Mango Thoven Luna Rico Ask us anything via Email: [email protected] Follow us on social media at @dgs.podcast 00:00 3.6 Starting with Science 01:12 Intro and exciting announcements 03:39 3.5 Recap Dogs Biting Kids Fixers Collective 10:21 Mango return 13:16 Dogs on drugs but what are the people on? 16:41 Melanie Uhde Primer 20:43 Why we haven't REALLY talked about this before 24:56 Operant Conditioning Primer: R+-P+- 28:58 Punishment determined by behavior (dog determines what is aversive) 30:58 Why punishment matters (stopping unwanted behaviors) 34:17 Rolex breeder AWKWARD 40:35 Running out of gas 42:16 Good time at the seminar 44:43 Why this is so important 47:24 Real world experience: Luna 53:41 A couple questions for Ashlyn on nutriscan (we got Joe's back) and Myos 56:49 Myos question 01:00:00 Final thoughts on "science" 01:01:49 Behind the Scenes 01:05:29 to dish or not to dish 01:06:55 dog shot in cemetery 01:07:28 Bloopers

Season 3 Episode 5: Feral, F-bomb heavy, and full of chaos. Hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh start off “normally” enough—updates on the Dog Detective Case Files, Fixers Collective, and some behind-the-scenes strategery involving a spreadsheet so convoluted Jenny had to learn something called Javascript just to make it work. But then… Jenny goes off the rails. Spreadsheet-induced madness? Or just every day insanity of running the largest dog rescue in the PNW? You decide. Main topic: Dogs biting kids. Not great. Often complicated, but sometimes just screamingly obvious bad (human and/or canine) parenting. Lately, every day (9-5 and then some) has been full of Crazy Shit so this episode throws the usual segments into a blender and hits puree. (Cue the F-Bombs.) From “Dangerous Dog" designations who "just need a CGC" to maniacal keyboard warriors and delulu adopters sending novels to an overflowing inbox, the drama is real and the feelings are big. Grab your popcorn if you're here for the soapbox. Otherwise, skip to the Questions for super useful info on Nutriscan testing for food allergies. POD MENTIONS: Aversive Control Seminar Michael Ellis School Melanie Uhde [Canine Decoded] Bite Level in Dogs [Veterinary Partner] NutriScan [HemoPet] Dr. Jean Dodds [HemoPet] Animal Apologists Podcast [Spotify] Kayleigh and Dogs (Animal Apologists) [Instagram] PARNTER MENTIONS: Fixers Collective [Instagram] Crossroads Vet Dog B Good Double Down Dog Training The Good Dog Way All the Best Pet Care ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: Luna RexPenny Leo Freya Rico Ask us anything via Email to [email protected] Follow us on social media at @dgs.podcast Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 3.5 Dogs Biting Kids 01:45 3.4 Updates: Luna, Sprinkles, Heist 09:01 What we've been up to (it's a lot) 12:34 Aversive Control Seminar at Michael Ellis School 14:28 Fixers Collective 2.0 17:24 Adoption Updates (Thank you Kris) 18:21 Main Topic: Dogs Who Bite Kids 19:30 Screening adult dogs for placement in homes with kids 23:21 Dog in the home and having a baby 24:55 But first: Bite Levels (The Bite Scale) 30:56 Lessons from Mando 37:48 Adding a dog to a family with kids 44:50 Ash's Adopter - Training YAY 49:28 Mango's Adopter - Not Great 55:21 Hindsight is 20-20 01:01:04 Take home message 01:05:49 A 9 to 5 of Crazy Shit 01:06:15 A 'dangerous' husky at Monroe PD who just needs a CGC 01:10:51 Most presumptuous surrender email ever 01:13:45 Freaking giant waste of time keyboard warriors 01:28:56 Questions: Nutriscan by Hemopet 01:32:08 Rico's Nutriscan results 01:38:53 Closing thoughts 01:39:32 Deleted Scenes

Apologies for the delay — after intaking 30 dogs in just four days, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh have had their hands (and homes) full. In Episode 3.4, they catch up on 3.3 Case Files (Luna, Rex, and Claudette) and take listeners behind the scenes of Not Your 9 to 5, where round-the-clock care at the Community Center is now part of the job. The main discussion covers wins, losses, and downright WTF moments — including one tearful Zoom call (awkward, and probably fueled by sleep deprivation) and a very unfortunate-looking dog. On the Shit List this week: an adopter/surrenderer in serious contention for Shittiest Shit Listee, breaking contracts and basic decency. The silver lining? An OG foster swoops in to save the day. Finally, in Questions, they tackle Smegma — a word that they wish didn’t exist. POD MENTIONS: LEADing the Pack Animal Welfare Conference [The Washington Federation of Animal Care and Control Agencies] Janelle Envy Tattoo [Instagram] The Canine Conference Melanie Uhde [Instagram] Zeffy Dog Gone Deck of Cards Fundraiser [Zeffy] Myos Nutriscan PARNTER MENTIONS: K9 Kennel Boss The Good Dog Way Veterinary Emergency Group (VEG) Crossroads Vet Tacoma Humane Society ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: Padfoot Lefty Rico Ask us anything via Email to [email protected] Follow us on social media at @dgs.podcast Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 3.4: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: Rescue Edition 00:31 Excuses for podcast delays 04:39 Updates on Dog Detective Case Files: Luna, Rex and Claudette 11:21 A little inside 'secret' 19:36 Really freaking awesome adoptions: Ryder round 2 22:41 MoVal sheppies and Sprinkles meet and greet 29:17 Walter the poodle! (When we celebrate a foster fail) 30:48 Not Your 9 to 5: Community Center Dog Sitch 36:39 Hodgepodge: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly 37:30 The Good: Zeffy and Rico 45:17 The Bad: The Day-to-Day Grind 49:01 The Ugly (Crying on a Zoom anyone?) 52:49 Ashlyn's Ugly Nephew Dog Heist 58:03 Shit List 01:07:27 Questions: Smegma (not our favorite word) 01:07:31 Questions

Rescue dogs don’t come with a sign on their heads listing all their most important information It’s often the rescuer’s job to figure it out — piecing together clues from stakeholders, vet records, and in-person evaluations to paint a picture of each dog’s past, present, and future. In Episode 3.3, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh dive into three remarkable cases: Luna, a returned cattle dog (adopted as a puppy) with “debilitating anxiety”; Rex, an owner-surrendered shepherd arriving beyond emaciated with no clear medical explanation; and Clyde (Claudette), an unexpected quasi-feral shelter intake. They also recap a whirlwind stretch of over 30 new intakes — complete with the usual chaos (hello, kennel cough — see Not Your 9 to 5) — and skip the “Shit List” this week in favor of celebrating collaboration. Partnered rescues helped save 15 more lives, and that’s worth spotlighting. This episode pulls back the curtain on detective work in rescue, highlights the power of partnership, and delivers the usual side of chaos, humor, and emotional endurance — all in a day’s work for a rescuer. POD MENTIONS: Diagnosing Kennel Cough in Dogs: A Comprehensive Guide [Kinship]Body Condition Score (BCS) Chart for Dogs [Association for Pet Obesity Prevention]The Honest KitchenCushing’s Disease in Dogs: Signs and Treatment [MedVet]Laboratory Tests Confirming Cushing's Syndrome [Veterinary Partner] PARNTER MENTIONS: Tail Lights Rescue ProjectSTART RescueK9 Kennel BossNirvana K9 TrainingCrossroads VetStanislaus Modesto Animal ServicesSaving Great AnimalsYakima Valley Pet Rescue (Valley Spay & Neuter)Furry Freight ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: MurrayAbigailLuna Ask us anything via Email to [email protected] Follow us on social media at @dgs.podcast Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 3.3 — Dog Detective Case Files: Luna, Rex and Clyde 03:36 Huge week for intakes 07:53 A present for Ashlyn 11:31 Our Genius Infomercial Idea 13:06 Jenny FAIL 16:10 Not Your 9 to 5: Kennel Cough 19:52 Do your resident dogs catch it? 21:58 Main Topic: We're basically dog detectives 23:31 Luna adopted as a puppy returned as an adult with "debilitating anxiety" 29:42 Rex, an unexpectedly emaciated owner surrender 38:19 Clyde (Claudette) shelter intake surprise 46:54 Anti Shit List Gold Star Rescue Collabs 47:46 Saving Great Animals and 8 Yorkies 51:44 Yakima Valley Pet Rescue 7 Puppies 56:41 Finding more fosters, fail 01:01:37 This number has been disconnected 01:02:57 Outro 01:03:18 Behind the Scenes

In Episode 3.2, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh are back with another dose of chaos and candor. They kick things off in Not Your 9 to 5, celebrating their first spay/neuter clinic: 31 dogs fixed in a single day — a win for rescue, a loss for Ashlyn’s back. The main topic tackles adopting to seniors, and why some rescues just won’t do it. It’s not about ageism; it’s about reality — fixed incomes, mobility struggles, and the hard truth that sometimes dogs outlive their humans. Complicated? Absolutely. But also: Some of the most special homes you’ll ever find. Jenny and Ashlyn unpack the fine line between discriminating and discrimination (and why being discerning is literally part of the job), sharing tips for navigating placements with older adopters. On the Shit List, Jenny wades into the awkward waters of anxiety and placement regret after an adopter spiraled into panic attacks before the dog had even decompressed. (Pro-tip: it’d be nice to know ahead of time when someone’s one popped collar away from a full-blown crisis). Finally, in Questions, they share a few red flags and low-key red flags reading between the lines on adoption apps. Some might surprise you! POD MENTIONS: Sparks K9 Seattle Animal Foundation Sardis Raptor Center Old Dog Haven 2.4: Fungus Among Us -- Healing Yeasty Dogs from the Inside Out [DGS Podcast] The Anxious Generation (Jonathan Haidt) [Amazon] PARNTER MENTIONS: Double Down Dog Training Veterinary Emergency Group (VEG) A Dog’s Best Friend START Rescue Tail Lights Rescue Project Fixers Collective [Instagram] Saving Great Animals Forever Home Dog Rescue Seattle Veterinary Outreach Crossroads Vet Nirvana K9 Training ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: Sprinkle Licorice Ramen Eren Ask us anything via Email to [email protected] Follow us on social media at @dgs.podcast Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 3.2 Senior Adopters: Balancing Limits, Hard Truths, and Potential Payoffs 01:59 A kid-free Anniversary weekend (ofc Jenny brought the dog) 07:16 Updates from 3.1 and Three Awesome Adoptions 10:13 Planning for multiple big intakes! (Finally) 14:39 Not Your 9 to 5: Fixers Collective Spay Neuter Clinic 25:15 Main Topic: Navigating Senior Adopters 28:29 4 Concerns/Considerations: Mental, Physical Capacity, Fixed Income and Death Plan 35:21 More typical challenges and positive considerations 40:11 What about Seniors for Seniors programs? 41:51 How do we navigate this: In person assessment, references, and difficult conversations 45:13 Real rescue examples: Data the Cattle Dog (Denied) 48:01 Anastasia: Vet reference check FAIL 48:59 Halle Berry: Checked all the boxes and a perfect senior placement 52:35 Asking the difficult question with Bear 54:25 Grandma Margie and Lucy 57:28 Going above and beyond and being open minded 01:00:24 Mistakes we won't make again 01:05:38 Key takeaways (it can be really special when you get it right) 01:07:47 A shit list anxious generation adoption return 01:16:25 Question: Red flags (and low-key red flags) on adoption applications

Season Three, LFG! In episode 1, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh dive straight into a hot-button topic: spay aborts. Why so controversial? In today’s rescue climate, it should be a no-brainer. But with big names like No-Kill Austin Pets Alive pushing a twisted, delusional narrative (and dirty-deleting their infamous video when the internet clapped back), someone’s gotta say it: we’re not sipping that Kool-Aid! Before we go full soapbox, though, in Not Your 9 to 5, we talk Strep Zoo (yep, add it to the ever-growing rescue worry list) and our 3 a.m. VEG adventure that, thankfully, had a happy ending. And yes—the Crazy Folder is back. This one’s a doozy: Ashlyn unleashes her best “howler” to deliver Tammy’s unhinged message to volunteer Juliana. Spoiler: Tammy wanted a manager. Ashlyn was more than happy to oblige. Go home, Tammy—you’re drunk. (Or just a batty bitch.) POD MENTIONS: International Association of Canine Professionals (IACP) Ivan Balabanov [Training without Conflict] Jay Jack [Next Level Dogs] Dr. Melanie Uhde [Canine Decoded] Renegade Paws Rescue SUPERZOO Streptococcus zooepidemicus: an emerging canine pathogen [PubMed] Strep zoo outbreak (July 4, 2025) [Stanislaus Animal Services Facebook] Response to Austin Pets Alive video (dirty delete) [Love and Puppy Paws Dog Rescue Facebook] Commercial Breeder and Pet Store Laws by State [Bailing Out Benji] PARNTER MENTIONS: K9 Kennel Boss All the Best Pet Care Double Down Dog Training Veterinary Emergency Group (VEG) Nirvana K9 Training Stanislaus Animal Services The Good Dog Way Crossroads Vet ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: Sprinkle Sundae Eugene Lunch Snack Ask us anything via Email to [email protected] Follow us on social media at @dgs.podcast Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 3.1 Spay Abort 03:46 IACP key takeaways 08:00 Really exciting announcement (podcast guest) 09:36 Superzoo slip lead search 13:54 Household updates, kids and dogs 21:50 Dogs and kids (stress inoculation) 23:21 Not Your 9 to 5: Strep Zoo scare 25:32 Another gold star for VEG 26:52 Context: Heidi the GSD 31:02 Main Topic: Spay Abort in Shelters and Rescues 32:25 Austin Pets Alive Anti-Spay Abort Message (and Dirty Delete) 35:36 Love and Puppy Paws Dog Rescue Response (Accurate) 37:02 Ashlyn's comment (mic drop) 38:40 The problems with the puppies 40:18 What is best for the moms anyway? 43:02 Our policy: Spay abort if safe 47:41 Thank goodness for our vet 50:11 Crazy Folder: Karen's cousin Tammy 55:14 Ashlyn's HR hat 57:09 Coming up in season 3 58:30 Q1 - How do you know if a pet store is a puppy mill? 01:00:42 Q2 - How do you name all the dogs? 01:05:11 Good vibes signing off 01:06:13 Behind the scenes with Sally's farts

Season Two Finale! In episode 29, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh gear up for a week in Savannah at the IACP conference—with two husbands and five young kids in tow. Between the usual chaos and conference prep, they share rescue updates and dive into the saga of Enzo’s, ahem, “ball situation” (medically: scrotal hematoma). This inspires a slightly uncomfortable trip down rescue memory lane, featuring legends like Dicer the Doberman and Pepsi, the infamous Giving Tuesday tearjerker. This one is a short, sweet, and delightfully awkward episode that might have you wondering what it’s like to ice your dog’s bits. Par for the course of a day in the life! POD MENTIONS: International Association of Canine Professionals (IACP)The Sprinkler Game [The Collared Scholar You Tube]Scrotal Hematoma [Veterinary Key Points]Von Willebrand Disease [Cornell]Crate Breaking Prevention [The Good Dog Way]Duke Ferguson [Unleashed Potential]Melanie Uhde [Canine Decoded]Dog Pro Radio Podcast [IACP]Episode 16: Jay Jack [Dog Pro Radio] PARNTER MENTIONS: Double Down Dog TrainingFurry Freight Shelter TransportTail Lights Rescue ProjectCrossroads VetK9 Kennel Boss ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: SundaeCleoFranklinEnzo Ask us anything via Email to [email protected] Follow us on social media at @dgs.podcast Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 2.29 Scrotal Hematoma 02:38 Rescue center updates 03:51 First training seminar and it's engagement games 07:51 Two stars and a wish 08:45 Dog updates 13:30 Still looking for skeletons in Franklin's closet 15:14 Empty swollen ball sac syndrome aka scrotal hematoma 17:38 What even is it and what are risk factors 20:12 Caring for a dog with scrotal hematoma 24:37 When ablation is necessary 26:31 Vet dynamics with 'botched' surgeries 29:58 Most memorable scrotal hematomas 30:45 Bruno the GSD going to Canada circa 2017 32:21 Probably the worst: Dicer the Doberman 35:14 Ashlyn's worst case: Archer, also a Doberman 37:14 Pepsi the Giving Tuesday Poster Boy 38:37 Considerations for Shadowfax 39:34 Heading to IACP Conference in Savannah 41:57 Excited to see Melanie Uhde (Canine Decoded) 44:35 Jay Jack Windows Theory 49:29 Future of the Podcast: Season 3! 51:16 Deleted Scenes and ADHD Tangents

In episode 2.28, Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh reflect on their conversation with Jon and the everyday chaos of running the largest dog rescue in the Pacific Northwest; it's been a wild week of returns, intakes and adoptions (and yes, all at once.) In Not Your 9 to 5, the team mourns the unexpected loss of DGS alum Gina. In the main segment, a long-running medical mystery finally gets a name: Mega Esophagus. What is it? Why does it sound made up? And is the answer a certain little blue pill? Plus, the Crazy Folder returns with, of course, a Doodle, and the Shit List hits close to home. Literally. In Questions, Ashlyn tackles your dog's chi. It’s heartfelt, hilarious, and just a little unhinged—classic rescue life! POD MENTIONS: 2.28: Jon Nordin episode [DGS Podcast]Rosenthal Rescue Tails [Instagram]2.24: S****y Breeder episode [DGS Podcast]Megaesophagus in dogs [VIN]Aspiration pneumonia in dogs: A Review [PubMed]Bailey Chairs for Dogs [PetMD]Study shows Viagra as promising treatment for canine megaesophagus [DVM360]Food Energetics Chart PARNTER MENTIONS: Furry FreightPAWHIKauai HumaneThe Good Dog WayBellingham VeterinaryK9 Kennel BossCrossroads Vet ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: PennySundaeEnzoBeauFranklinGracieStrudelTaylorSherbert Ask us anything via Email to [email protected] Follow us on social media at @dgs.podcast Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 2.28 MegaE 00:31 2.27 Jon Brigid recap and thoughts 08:04 Ashlyn HMF adventures 10:49 Back to 6 dogs at Jenny's 12:26 Center updates: More clusterFs 14:36 Rescue updates catchup 16:23 When intake gets pushed to late night 17:56 Hawaii intake with larger than expected small breed puppies 19:41 A couple shitty returns 25:41 Not adoptable holds: Gracie medical 28:35 Hold on Rico skin conundrum 29:40 Adoptable dog updates 34:50 Happy adoption updates 37:31 Doberman Trifecta: Faye, Taylor, Blue 40:11 OMG Koda is adopted! 45:17 More Happy Tails 47:22 Not Your 9 to 5: Gina HBC 52:45 Main Topic: MegaEsophagus (and it's Sherbert) 53:58 Worsening symptoms and a diagnosis 56:35 Congenital vs acquired megaE 57:44 Symptoms and Treatments 01:02:52 Promising treatment and it's viagra 01:06:50 Crazy Folder Doodle B 01:11:27 Ashlyn's social media stalking 01:17:26 Doodle things - easy to find fosters for and sometimes certain types of owners 01:20:20 Shit List and it's family 01:28:42 Questions (1) Freya meetings 01:34:01 Question (2) Hot and Cold Foods 01:41:34 Signing off to Georgia 01:43:08 Behind the Scenes

Jon Nordin didn’t start the dog rescue—but he married the woman who did. A Ranger-qualified Army paratrooper with a background in logistics and calm under fire, Jon thought he was buying a companion German Shepherd named Rolex. Instead, he got a once-in-a-lifetime dog who nearly broke him... and saved his life. In this episode, Jon opens up about what it’s been like to support Jenny's mission from the very beginning—through marriage, three kids, late-night emergencies, medical crises, countless shituations, and his least-favorite foster dog ever (looking at you, Brigid). He shares how his military training kicks in at unexpected times (like the Bothell 4th of July Parade) and spills the tea on what really happened with Gracie. This is a story about service beyond the uniform—answering a different kind of call, and about how one very challenging dog (and one very determined woman) set into motion a life of purpose, sacrifice, and second chances—for both people and dogs. POD MENTIONS: 2025 IACP ConferenceDr. Melanie UhdeVon Waldberg KennelsCamp Happy Paws'There are ways to get better, I promise you”: No-cost treatment for vets with PTSD [FOX 13]Viral Dobie Poops the Bed Video [Instagram]In Seattle, it’s cats, dogs and kids — in that order [Seattle Times] PARTNER MENTIONS: Animal Advocacy Rescue Coalition (AARC)Search Dog FoundationK9 Kennel Boss ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: Beau [Dog Gone Seattle]Gracie [Dog Gone Seattle] Ask us anything via Email to [email protected] Follow us on Facebook and Instagram @dgs.podcast Don't forget to Like, Share, Review and Subscribe! CHAPTERS: 00:00 2.27: The Calm in the Chaos -- Jon Nordin on Love, Rescue, and a Life of Service 01:49 First male guest on the podcast because "we're sexist" 04:08 Barn Hunt rat tube puppies 08:58 Not Your 9 to 5: July 4th almost lost dog 23:22 Introducing Jon Nordin 24:42 Origins - Rolex and the Ranger who wasn't prepared 49:12 Jon goes to work at Amazon 53:11 Rolex transformation and PTSD lifeline 58:06 Beyond spreadsheets and behind the scenes day to day 01:03:16 The true Gracie story 01:06:37 A different kind of service 01:13:41 BTS: Why was there no soap? 01:16:39 The smell of death 01:19:25 A dying dog's bite 01:23:58 Worst foster dog ever (Brigid) 01:31:01 This is real life 01:32:05 Power of attraction to an awesome community 01:33:28 Values our children are learning from rescue 01:36:13 Favorite foster dog 01:38:16 Common Thread: Happy to be here! 01:38:54 Another favorite: Pointy ear guardian types 01:40:11 Rolex pretend home invasion and protective shepherds 01:44:18 Vision for future of rescue 01:46:30 Legacy and what comes next 01:49:31 Transformation runs through us 01:51:03 A future PTSD program 01:56:36 Audeamus 02:04:32 Behind the Scenes 02:08:13 Marital Bickering 02:08:53 IACP K9 Kennel Boss Pitch

In this episode, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh reflect on their conversation with Gina and the evolving role of balanced training in rescue—past, present, and what’s next. The Not Your 9 to 5 segment spans two packed weeks of heartwarming adoptions, joyful community events, and the devastating, unexpected loss of Chopper, who passed away just 36 hours after ingesting a stuffed toy. They dig into the never-ending stream of surrender requests from owners: the ones they can help, the ones they wish they could, and the ones who—frankly—need to start helping themselves. With long waitlists at formerly open-intake shelters, desperation is rising. But for those hoping for a same-day miracle… there’s an expression about being up a certain creek. In the Crazy Folder meet Bryan—a would-be adopter with big feelings, no punctuation, and enough red flags to start his own parade. This one’s packed with heart, hard truths, and humor—plus some behind-the-scenes outtakes after the Outro. POD MENTIONS: 2.25: From Feral Dog Foster to Pro Dog Trainer with Gina Cooley of Double Down Dog Training [DGS Podcast] Rainier Animal Fund 2.24: Seven Hallmarks of a “Good” Breeder (TMYK to Adopt or Shop Responsibly) [DGS Podcast] Olive and Rico [Instagram] Too Many People Own Dogs [The Atlantic] Paws for Life Rescue ProDen Plaque Off Powder [Chewy] PARTNER MENTIONS: All the Best Pet Care To the Point Dog Training [Instagram] Crossroads Animal Hospital The Good Dog Way ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: Jazzmin Smokey Franklin Ryder Mr. Dinkles Brooklyn Ask us anything via Email to [email protected] Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 2.26 Owner Surrenders 03:08 Thoughts on 2.25 (Balanced Training) 13:16 Not your 9 to 5 for the past 2 weeks - Rescue Happenings 13:32 Chopper died after swallowing a stuffy 20:57 Moval Shepherd puppies GI mystery 21:54 Bothell Pet Fair 22:54 Jessie's Baby Shower 25:10 Center upgrades 26:27 Happy Adoption Updates - Declan, Bella Star, Apollo 28:45 Happy New Adoptions - Luigi, Remi, Jellybean, Rico 33:44 Adoption support to keep dogs in their homes 34:45 Miles behavior issues with adopter 37:27 Long term adoption returns like Franklin fka Beaudreaux 42:55 Ryder return update 44:03 Owner surrenders - a sampling and discussion 46:20 Run of the mill 'anxious' doodle 48:24 A human aggressive pitbull 52:24 Bowie direct adopt rescue surrender 58:09 Crazy Folder: Bryan butthurt over Brooklyn 01:00:31 A crazy temp foster offer 01:01:56 Happy podcast feels 01:02:29 Question 1 - Where to do meet and greets 01:05:57 Question 2 - Why no PB or Greenies? 01:08:53 Fill your cupeth parting words 01:11:00 Behind the Scenes

In this episode, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh sit down with Gina Cooley—board member of Dog Gone Seattle and owner of Double Down Dog Training—for a wide-ranging conversation about the real-world challenges of rescue and dog training. Gina reflects on her early days as a first-time foster to Dusty, a feral cattle dog-pit bull mix, and how her experience with Bubba, a dog aggressive pitbull, shaped her path toward becoming an elite NePoPo® Gold dog trainer. From lessons learned in the chaos to insights gained through mentorships with Nelson Hodges and Brian Agnew, Gina walks us through the evolution of her philosophy and practice. They explore How fostering forces you to realize what you don’t knowThe freedom—and pressure—of working with dogs outside of client timelinesHow NePoPo® changed everything (and how it prepares dogs for real-world success)Why relationship matters more than showmanship in choosing a trainerThe troubling reality behind a widely shared Valor K9 “training” video, and what ethical training really looks like With candor and generosity, Gina shares how she structures her programs to meet clients where they are, including thoughtful modifications for families with different comfort levels around tools. She talks about play as a cornerstone of connection, the social sensitivity of dogs, and the delicate balance between discipline and empathy. This episode is packed with real talk, practical takeaways, and deep reflections on what it means to truly advocate for dogs—especially the quirky, complicated ones. POD MENTIONS: NePoPoHeather Beck [K9 Lifeline]Nelson Hodges [Canine Human Relationship Institute]Bill Church [Bow Wow Bill’s]Pitbull in Clinton kills neighbor’s Bichon Frise, leads to community meeting [Whidbey Record]Duke Ferguson [Unleashed Potential]Sparks K9Meagan Karnes [The Collared Scholar]Dogs Playing for LifeBrian Agnew [The Balanced Dog]Jay Jack [Next Level Dogs]Amy Pishner [Valor K9 Academy]Amy Pishner “training” videoLarry Krohn [Pak Masters]Recommended Trainers [Dog Gone Seattle]Melanie Uhde (Reel) [Instagram] PARTNER MENTIONS:Double Down Dog TrainingForever Home Dog RescueTacoma Humane Society ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS:MacKelly Follow us on Socials for behind-the-scenes content: Instagram @dgs.podcastFacebook/dgs.podcastAsk us anything via Email to [email protected] Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 2.25 From Feral Dog Foster to Pro Dog Trainer with Gina Cooley of Double Down Dog Training 01:18 Introducing Gina Cooley, board member and owner of Double Down Dog Training 04:20 Dusty the feral cattle dog 13:35 Bubba not Dusty the Pivotal Moment in Trajectory 17:55 Transition from difficult dog owner to dog trainer 20:35 Influence of Rescue on Professional Career 25:08 Discussion on free shaping 29:01 First exposure to free shaping 31:31 Nepopo changed everything 34:25 What even is Nepopo? 39:34 K9 Lifeline 40:12 Surprises with Bear the GSD 55:07 Brian Agnew the Balanced Dog 01:01:24 The Amy Pishner Valor K9 Video 01:08:31 Rescue response 01:19:13 How to identify a good trainer 01:29:48 New format for puppy program 01:34:29 Rescue conversations around training 01:41:37 Snap your fingers at clients 01:44:23 Rapid Fire Questions 01:49:49 What's next for you and Double Down Dog Training

Hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh aren’t here to preach “Adopt Don’t Shop”—but they are here to urge you to adopt or shop responsibly. After spilling the tea in a previous episode on what makes a “good” rescue, this week they tackle how to identify a responsible breeder (spoiler: it’s not your neighbor Linda with Golden Retriever puppies). From red flags to Merle micro Frenchie madness, they break down what ethical breeding really looks like—and why it matters. Jenny recounts a chaotic (and hilarious) tale of a new foster dog who pulled off not one but two escapes, and this week’s Saving Shelter Strays intake is a powerful reminder of the importance - and transformation - of decompression. “Not Your 9 to 5” channels its inner detective, applying a little Occam’s razor to unexpected puppy health mysteries, and in the Questions segment, you’ll meet four amazing dogs that somehow still haven’t found their people. POD MENTIONS: 2.3: WA State Takes on Puppyland While We Take on Parvo Puppies [DGS Podcast] Baskerville Muzzle VEG ER for Pets FOUR LEAF ROVER Yeast Guard [Amazon] HERBSMITH Microflora Plus [Chewy] FIRSTMATE Grain Friendly Fish [Chewy] 15: The Doodle Craze - A Rescue Take (Please Just Stop) [DGS Podcast] Panosteitis: Growing Pains in Dogs [Veterinary Partner] Rickets in Dogs [The Vet Expert] 2.22: Toni ‘Clipboard’ Crane - The Heartbeat of Puppy Rescue and Chosen Family [DGS Podcast] Coccidia Infects Intestines of Cats and Dogs [Veterinary Partner] OFA Database 2.19: Seven Hallmarks of a “Good” Rescue (in Our Not So Humble Opinion) [DGS Podcast] PARTNER MENTIONS Shelter Transport Animal Rescue Team (START) Saving Shelter Strays Caddo Parish Animal Services The Good Dog Way Animal Advocacy & Rescue Coalition (AARC Del Rio) Moreno Valley Animal Services Crossroads Vet Forever Home Dog Rescue Stanislaus Modesto Animal Services ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS Copper Jazzmin Apollo Walter Taylor Sherbert Dash Buddy Eren Follow us on Socials for behind-the-scenes content: Instagram @dgs.podcastFacebook/dgs.podcastAsk us anything via Email to [email protected] Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 2.24: Seven Hallmarks of a "Good" Breeder (TMKY to Adopt or Shop Responsibly) 03:27 Recent intakes of some very nervous dogs 14:57 Gracie escapes FML 27:38 2.23 Follow Up Gracie and Rico 30:08 Copper Jazzmin Apollo and Walter updates 33:07 Sabrina the last of Taylor's puppies adopted 36:09 Not Your 9 to 5 - Chloe has Pano? 40:03 Not Your 9 to 5 - Sherbert has Coccidia? 43:10 Main Topic: How to Identify a Reputable Breeder 46:31 1. Thorough health testing of breeding stock 48:12 2. Well researched purposefully bred pedigrees 49:45 3. Responsible breeding and animal husbandry 51:08 4. Thoughtful placement in appropriate homes 52:23 5. Breeding stock are proven dogs 53:32 6. Solid purchase contracts in place 56:53 7. Breeding within the standard 59:17 Red Flags (breeders to avoid) 01:01:31 First litter of Border Collies from new breeder (example of costs) 01:08:49 Shit List: Greg (South Sound Garage Repair) 01:12:30 Question: Really Good Adoptable Long Stays (Dash, Alexander, Buddy, Eren) 01:18:51 Behind the Scenes

In episode 2.23, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh face an unprecedented challenge finding fosters for incoming dogs this summer, a historically busy season. Preparing for the annual foster volunteer party includes a cleanup of the foster database and onboarding new fosters, with most applications woefully 'delulu' in their expectations. In good news, Declan aka Little Dicky finds his forever home (and it’s not in an apartment), and Alfie’s slow integration into his new home is a smashing success. Tannhauser and Pearlinhaus German Shepherds land on the 'shit list' for advertising as 'reputable' breeders who always take their dogs back but actually don’t. The dynamic duo also answer a half dozen audience questions, ranging from the scientific to the silly. Stay tuned after the outro for deleted scenes and bloopers. POD MENTIONS: 2.22: Toni ‘Clipboard’ Crane - The Heartbeat of Puppy Rescue and Chosen Family [DGS Podcast] WellSprings K9 Von Waldberg Kennels Tannhäuser Shepherds [Shit List] Pearlinhaus Shepherds [Shit List] The Asher House JusticeForChevy3 [Facebook] K9 Optima [Instagram] Melanie Uhde Chewy PARTNER MENTIONS Squeaky Dog Studios Tailored K9 Solutions Double Down Dog Training The Good Dog Way Regional Animal Services of King County Caddo Parish Animal Services Packpatootie Recommended Trainers [Dog Gone Seattle] ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS Copper Jellybean Kelly Follow us on Socials for behind-the-scenes content: Instagram @dgs.podcastFacebook/dgs.podcastAsk us anything via Email to [email protected] Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 2.23 From Foster Fiesta to Foster Fiasco 01:16 Toni 'Clipboard' Crane Puppy Program Director (recap) 04:42 BTW Declan AKA Dicky adopted! 07:45 Adoption Updates: Coper the Doberman 09:59 Guy Ritchie aka Alfie integration success 13:42 Not Your 9 to 5: Sunday Volunteer Appreciation Party 17:11 Foster Bingo game 21:07 Womp womp Kelly return 26:25 Main Rant: The Foster Shit Show RN 28:57 People only available to temp foster 29:55 Really crappy foster applications 34:58 Unrealistic expectations with cats 36:09 Unrealistic expectations with kids 41:55 Shit List 'Fake' Reputable GSD Breeders 53:51 Lots of Questions 54:20 Why do people adopt from shelters? (Basically) 01:01:46 Stigma around pitbull aggression 01:04:27 When will barn hunt be ready? 01:05:19 Best practices for integrating a new dog to the pack 01:07:26 Why do street dogs get GI distress switching foods 01:08:49 What about Asher's House? 01:12:53 How to avoid negative associations if your dog is attacked 01:14:15 How do you find a good trainer? 01:19:42 More questions next week and Outro 01:21:34 Deleted Scenes

​In this delightful and insightful episode, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh are joined by Toni 'Clipboard' Crane, the puppy program director at Dog Gone Seattle since 2019. The trio dive into the daily chaos and rewards of running the largest foster-based rescue in the Pacific Northwest, highlighting everything from the development and inner-workings of the puppy program and intricacies of puppy decompression to most challenging and memorable puppies and foster families. Plus, in Not Your 9 to 5 they navigate a mysterious ataxia with adoptable puppy Grizzly. Finally, on the Shit List it's entitled applicant Emma who goes to Yelp to air grievances, and the infamous Puppy Yoga Club in our DMs. ​Stay tuned after the Outro for hilarious deleted scenes from this Trio of rescuers who take calls from each other in the shower. POD MENTIONS: Lost Dogs of Snohomish County [Facebook]Shadowfax May Be a Foster Fail [Facebook]Ruggable Soggy Doggy MatsHonest Kitchen Decompression - The First Two Weeks [Rebound Hounds]Native K9 [Instagram] Yelp Under Fire for Alleged Pandering to Advertisers [NBC Los Angeles]Beware of Yelp: How It Harms Business Owners and Workers [Reddit]Puppy Yoga Club [Instagram] PARTNER MENTIONSAngels of Rawley Foundation (ARF)LA County Animal Care & Control (LACC)Crossroads VetNorthwest Spay & NeuterAnimal Advocacy & Rescue Coalition (AARC)Saving Shelter StraysFurry Freight Shelter TransportBest Friends Pet Retreat [Facebook]Forever Home Dog Rescue ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONSDougSprinkleStrudelBarryScoutErenRavenTaylorGrizzlyLuigiMark AnthonyAlexanderCleoToad Follow us on Socials for behind-the-scenes content: Instagram @dgs.podcastFacebook/dgs.podcastAsk us anything via Email to [email protected] Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 2.22: Toni 'Clipboard' Crane - The Heartbeat of Puppy Rescue and Chosen Family 01:47 Bean with Swimmers and Sunshine the 1st DGS rescue update 04:00 Shadowfax updates 07:01 Moval shepherd pupdates 09:42 Puppy Poop Troubleshooting 10:54 Training session with Scout (small dog) 15:09 Ashlyn's training session with Eren 18:03 Community training practice 21:55 Guy Ritchie aka Alfie go home (tips for integrating reactive dog in multi-dog home) 26:19 Melissa foster re-up for Raven 28:47 Not Your 9 to 5: Grizzly Puppy 32:53 Ashlyn: Luigi Poopscapade 34:21 Luigi's fosters 36:18 Toni Crane Puppy Lady Extraordinaire 36:45 Part 1 Toni 'Clipboard Crane' Introduction 48:12 What drew you to Dog Gone Seattle? 49:34 Why puppies? 51:19 Toni's typical day in rescue 58:58 Most challenging experience with a foster dog 01:00:17 Most challenging foster family 01:02:44 Most memorable adoption 01:03:56 A very special adopter Sharon 01:06:11 Part 2 Best Practices for Puppy Fostering and Adoption 01:08:15 What do you wish every puppy foster did? 01:09:48 Puppies with sad stories 01:16:03 Red and yellow flags on puppy applications 01:21:48 We wish puppy adopters would... 01:22:52 Mark Anthony Alexander Cleo from Furry Freight 01:24:29 More Pyr puppy banter 01:35:08 Shit List 01:42:17 Ashlyn's surprise shit list 01:44:05 No question threepeat this week 01:45:10 Scariest kennel moments 01:50:33 That's a wrap 01:51:18 Behind the Scenes

In 2.21 hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh dive into the adventures of running the largest foster-based rescue in the Pacific Northwest. In Not Your 9 to 5, they share their Memorial Day weekend forays including an intake of four semi-feral shepherds, and trading fosters. The spotlight is on adorable Great Pyrenees puppies as Jenny falls head over heels in one named Shadowfax, sparking in-depth discussions on the breed's traits and training challenges. On this Shit List, meet a foster who can't follow the rules and goes to Yelp to air her grievances. Finally, Ashlyn spills the tea on how to manage dog-cat introductions in Questions. POD MENTIONS: Rocket's Go Fund MeFoster Brianne Hall @fostermamabrie [Instagram]Swimmer puppy syndrome diagnosis and clinical management Wellspring K9Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy (HOD) in Dogs Great Pyrenees Rescue SocietyA dog called Odin survives California wildfires after refusing to abandon his goats 2.2: Beyond the Smoke - A Dog Rescue’s Perspective on LA Wildfires [DGS Podcast]Foster Contract [Dog Gone Seattle]Search effort for Darla [Facebook]Yelp Dog Gone SeattleOasis for AnimalsJackson Galaxy PARTNER MENTIONSSeattle ShepherdsCaddo Parish Animal ServicesDog B GoodMoreno Valley Animal ServicesDouble Down Dog TrainingBalanced Life TrainingThe Good Dog WayLeaps n Bounds K9 ADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONSBirdieFreyaMilesDeclan Follow us on Socials for behind-the-scenes content: Instagram @dgs.podcastFacebook/dgs.podcastAsk us anything via Email to [email protected] Don't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe! Chapters 00:00 2.21 Managing the Pack: Great Pyrenees and Foster Firing 02:27 Birdie Meet and greet status 06:16 Miles found a new foster (out of the woodwork) 07:01 Why we definitely do foster and adopt to apartments 09:02 Rocket the Yorkie update 13:56 Lily from Caddo Parish adopted 14:53 Great Pyrenees puppy intake 22:58 Adoption Updates: Sanji, Guy Ritchie 28:07 Tip of the hat to Kelly's adopters 31:33 Not Your 9 to 5 Sunday of MDW 43:47 Main Topic: The Great Pyrenees Breed 47:03 First DGS Rescue - GP Sunshine 51:42 Ivan an Exception 57:01 Heroic Pyr stories 59:54 Smitten with Shadowfax 01:02:50 Foster Fail Considerations 01:05:03 2.22 Announcement 01:07:08 Shit List - Chewy's former foster 01:11:49 What not to do with a fearful dog Trifecta 01:19:52 We want a Yelp for rescues 01:20:46 Boundaries with fosters/adopters 01:26:05 Declan has a meet and greet! 01:27:44 Question: Cats 01:44:25 Behind the Scenes