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the DIEP end: A Plastic Surgery Podcast

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2024/10/11
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2026/02/05
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58 min.
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15 days

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Jump into the DIEP end, where co-hosts Dr. Saïd Azoury and resident Dr. Hank Davis dive into the world of plastic surgery and explore what makes it truly special. Join us as we engage in enlightening conversations with world-class experts, and the stories that shaped and will continue to shape this dynamic field. This podcast is designed to inform, inspire, and ignite your passion for plastic surgery. Listen below or subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube to watch our video podcasts.

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Dr. Lindsey Fitzharris: New York Times Best Selling Author (The Facemaker, The Butchering Art), Medical Historian, TV Host- Personal breast cancer experience, mysteries and drama of medicine's past
2026/02/05
In this engaging conversation, the hosts and their guest, Dr. Lindsey Fitzharris, delve into the fascinating world of medical history, exploring the legacies of influential figures like Joseph Lister and the evolution of surgical practices. They share personal anecdotes that shaped their interests in the field, discuss the importance of medical education, and reflect on the ethical implications of modern medicine. The dialogue highlights the balance between nostalgia for the past and appreciation for contemporary advancements in healthcare. In this engaging conversation, Lindsey discusses her book 'The Facemaker' and the life of Harold Gillies, a pioneer in plastic surgery. She reflects on the challenges of writing about medical history, her personal experience with breast cancer, and the importance of empathy in patient care. The discussion also touches on the legacy of Joseph Lister and the evolution of surgical practices, emphasizing the need for a balance between medical innovation and human connection. titles Exploring the Depths of Medical HistoryThe Legacy of Surgery and Its PioneersSound Bites "We have to have a reckoning.""No two faces are the same.""Doctors are not gods."Chapters 00:00 Remembering a Mentor 02:59 The Influence of Medical History 06:00 Exploring Medical Personalities 09:03 The Art of Storytelling in Medicine 11:49 The Legacy of Joseph Lister 17:26 Growing Up with History 19:47 The Mystery of Jack the Ripper 22:54 The Role of Baby Farmers in Victorian Times 23:43 Pursuing a PhD in Medical History 30:07 The Importance of Medical History 32:30 Modern Medicine vs. Historical Practices 36:53 The Facemaker: Unveiling Harold Gillies 42:02 The Challenge of Facial Reconstruction 47:27 Personal Journeys: Breast Cancer and Identity 58:59 Navigating the Medical Landscape: A Patient's Perspective 01:08:34 The Evolution of Plastic Surgery and Its Societal Impact 01:10:30 The Human Connection in Medicine 01:11:46 The Legacy of Joseph Lister and Antisepsis 01:14:04 The Importance of Medical History and Learning from Failure 01:19:21 The Future of Medical Storytelling 01:24:10 The Role of Humanity in Medicine 01:30:21 Remembering a Medical Connector Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Paul Cederna: Former Chief of Plastic Surgery University of Michigan, President of American Association of Plastic Surgeons. Leadership, Mentorship, Global Work, Advanced Limb Prosthetics (#43)
2026/01/21
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Dr. Bauback Safa: President of American Society of Reconstructive Microsurgery, Past Godina Fellow, Buncke Clinic. Success and Efficiency in Microsurgery, Viewpoints on Leadership/Entrepreneurship
2026/01/05
keywords microsurgery, reconstructive surgery, Buncke Clinic, Godina Fellowship, phalloplasty, ASRM, surgical podcast, hand surgery, medical education, surgeon journey, Godina Fellowship, mentorship, networking, private equity, family priorities, entrepreneurship, medical education, imposter syndrome, career development, microsurgery takeaways Dr. Safa emphasizes the importance of mentorship in shaping a medical career.The Buncke Clinic is known for its legacy in microsurgery and its collaborative environment.Dr. Safa's journey into reconstructive surgery was influenced by his father's medical background.The podcast aims to share unedited, authentic conversations about surgery and life.Dr. Safa's experience during COVID led to the creation of the Buncke Podcast.The Godina Fellowship is a prestigious opportunity for surgeons in microsurgery.Phalloplasty has evolved significantly, with Dr. Safa contributing to its advancements.The importance of maintaining a broad skill set in surgery is highlighted.Dr. Safa's accidental journey into microsurgery showcases the unpredictability of medical careers.The camaraderie and culture at the Buncke Clinic play a crucial role in its success. Bauback's journey to the Godina Fellowship was unexpected and filled with serendipitous events.Imposter syndrome is common, and it's natural to have doubts about one's work.Networking and mentorship play crucial roles in career development.The importance of community in the ASRM is highlighted, with many talented individuals deserving recognition.Breaking barriers and building bridges is essential for the future of microsurgery.An MBA can provide structured learning and valuable networking opportunities.The corporate practice of medicine has its pros and cons, often affecting physician autonomy.Family priorities should be emphasized, as time with loved ones is limited.Musical passions can provide a creative outlet and balance in a demanding profession.Surgical instruments, like the Micron's razor edge scissors, are vital for precision in microsurgery.summary In this engaging conversation, Dr. Bauback Safa shares his journey through the world of reconstructive microsurgery, highlighting his experiences at the Buncke Clinic and the importance of mentorship in shaping his career. He discusses the genesis of his podcast, the significance of authentic conversations in surgery, and the evolution of phalloplasty. Dr. Safa reflects on the legacy of the Buncke Clinic, the impact of the Godina Fellowship, and the necessity of maintaining a broad skill set in the surgical field. The discussion emphasizes the unpredictability of medical careers and the camaraderie that fosters success in the surgical community. In this engaging conversation, Bauback Safa shares his journey to becoming a Godina Fellow, reflecting on the importance of mentorship, community, and the gradual realization of aspirations. He discusses the value of networking and the impact of an MBA on his career, while also addressing the challenges posed by private equity in medicine. The conversation touches on personal priorities, particularly the significance of family, and concludes with insights into Bauback's musical passions and favorite surgical instruments. Sound Bites "It's not about how to do a case.""I think it made me a better surgeon.""All you need is one opportunity."Chapters 00:00 Podcast Setup and Intro Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Tracy Pfeifer- Past President of New York Regional Society of Plastic Surgeons, President of the Aesthetic Society, Building Your Dream Aesthetic Practice, Lead Your Own Life (#41)
2025/12/08
keywords plastic surgery, aesthetic surgery, leadership, mentorship, women in medicine, practice management, patient care, surgical education, networking, professional development summary In this engaging conversation, Dr. Tracy Pfeifer shares her journey in plastic surgery, discussing her childhood influences, the path to her specialty, and the importance of leadership and mentorship in the field. She emphasizes the need for business acumen in establishing a successful practice and advocates for fair compensation for surgeons. Dr. Pfeifer also highlights the significance of patient-centric care and the evolving role of women in surgery, offering valuable advice for aspiring surgeons and the importance of networking and professional development. takeaways Dr. Pfeifer's childhood was influenced by strong women in her family.She always aspired to be a surgeon from a young age.Plastic surgery appealed to her due to its creative and patient-centered nature.Building a successful practice takes time and effort, often around 10 years.Business acumen is crucial for running a successful practice.Surgeons should advocate for fair compensation and recognize their value.Research is important, but technical excellence should be prioritized.Patient experience is key to a thriving practice.Leadership in surgery requires vision and effective communication.Women in surgery are increasingly supported and have a bright future. Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Kyle Eberlin: Program Director, Harvard Plastic Surgery, Associate Program Director MGH Hand Surgery, Application Season, Hand Surgery (#40)
2025/11/21
Keywords surgery, commitment, social media, mastery, medical field Summary In this conversation, Kyle Eberlin emphasizes the importance of commitment and focus in the field of surgery, particularly in an age dominated by social media distractions. He discusses the journey to mastery, highlighting that success requires dedication and hard work, and that aspiring surgeons must navigate the challenges posed by modern distractions to achieve their goals. Takeaways Commitment to excellence is crucial in surgery. Social media can be a significant distraction. Mastery in surgery requires hard work and dedication. Surgeons must focus on their craft to succeed. The journey to becoming a great surgeon is unique for everyone. Distractions can derail one's professional goals. Success in surgery is a continuous journey. Dedication is what sets great surgeons apart. It's important to block out external noise. The best surgeons are those who prioritize their training. Titles Commitment to Excellence in Surgery Sound bites "Social media can distract from our goals." "Mastery requires dedication and hard work." "Commitment is key to becoming a great surgeon." Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Karen Evans: Professor, Medstar Georgetown Plastic Surgery, Lower Extremity Salvage, Women in Medicine, Balancing Motherhood (#39)
2025/11/06
keywords plastic surgery, vascular surgery, medical education, career balance, family life, mentorship, lower extremity reconstruction, academic medicine, running, personal stories, work-life balance, sleep health, patient care, limb salvage surgery, women in medicine, career reflections, operating room music, surgical instruments summary In this engaging podcast episode, Dr. Karen Evans shares her journey through medicine, from her early interest in biology to her specialization in plastic and vascular surgery. The conversation delves into her educational background, the pivotal moments that shaped her career, and her experiences in the demanding field of lower extremity reconstruction. Dr. Evans also discusses the challenges of balancing a medical career with family life, her passion for mentoring young medical professionals, and her personal love for running. The episode highlights the importance of mentorship, the joy of academic medicine, and the unique stories that shape a physician's path. In this engaging conversation, Dr. Karen Evans discusses the balance of work and family life, the importance of sleep, and the evolving definitions of success in patient care. She shares insights on advancements in limb salvage surgery and the future of lower extremity surgery, emphasizing the role of women in medicine and the importance of individualized patient care. The discussion also touches on personal experiences, including living in her car during medical training, and the role of music in the operating room. takeaways Dr. Evans emphasizes the importance of mentorship in academic medicine.Her early interest in biology was sparked by a unique experience in middle school.She found her passion in vascular surgery during her medical training.The transition to plastic surgery was influenced by a memorable debridement case.Balancing a demanding career with family life is a significant challenge for physicians.Dr. Evans values the energy and excitement that young medical students bring to her practice.She believes in the importance of finding one's niche in medicine during residency.Running has been a consistent part of her life and relationship with her husband.The support of family and caregivers has been crucial in her career.Dr. Evans shares a humorous anecdote about her early days in residency. Dr. Evans attributes her resilience to her mother's genetic strength.She believes in the importance of sleep but feels lucky to function well with less.Defining success in patient care is complex and varies by individual.Perforator-based flaps represent a significant advancement in surgery.The future of lower extremity surgery should focus on individualized care.Women in medicine can set great examples for future generations.Adaptability and flexibility are crucial in balancing work and family.Living in her car during training was a unique experience for Dr. Evans.Music plays a vital role in creating a positive atmosphere in the OR.The right surgical instruments can greatly enhance a surgeon's capabilities.Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Amber Leis: Program Director at WashU Plastic Surgery, Application Season Advice & Tips (#38)
2025/10/21
Summary In this engaging conversation, Dr. Amber Leis shares her unique journey from a rural upbringing to becoming a prominent figure in plastic surgery. She discusses the importance of mentorship, the role of social media in education, and her transition to a new position at WashU. Dr. Leis emphasizes the significance of emotional intelligence in medical training and offers valuable advice for aspiring plastic surgeons, including insights on personal statements and the match process. The discussion also touches on the challenges of moving and starting over, as well as the joys of personal growth and self-reflection.   Takeaways The importance of community and mentorship in medical careers. Social media can be a powerful tool for education and outreach. Transitioning to a new role can lead to personal growth and reflection. Competency-based education is the future of medical training. Emotional intelligence is crucial in surgical training and practice. Personal statements should focus on the applicant's unique story. Research years should be tailored to individual needs and circumstances. The match process requires strategic planning and preparation. Engaging joyfully in education can enhance learning experiences. Self-reflection is key to understanding one's journey and growth.    Chapters  00:00 Introduction to Dr. Amber Leis 02:02 Childhood and Early Influences 05:44 Path to Medicine and Plastic Surgery 09:18 Transition to Program Director 10:14 The Role of Social Media in Education 13:59 Moving Across the Country: Challenges and Opportunities 20:01 The Importance of Education in Plastic Surgery 21:36 Advice for Aspiring Plastic Surgeons 25:17 Navigating the Match Process 29:05 Final Thoughts on Resilience and Growth 30:15 Navigating Research Years in Plastic Surgery 34:02 Application Strategies and Interview Preparation 37:10 The Importance of Emotional Intelligence in Medicine 39:12 Competency-Based Education in Plastic Surgery 43:18 Personal Reflections and Career Transitions Keywords plastic surgery, education, mentorship, social media, career transition, personal growth, medical training, residency, emotional intelligence, research Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Jordan Swanson: Pediatric Plastic & Craniofacial Surgeon @ CHOP/Penn, Global Surgery, Innovation (#37)
2025/10/01
Guest: Dr. Jordan Swanson, Pediatric Plastic & Craniofacial Surgeon | Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) Podcast: the DIEP end Episode Summary: In this inspiring episode of The DIEP End, hosts Dr. Saїd Azoury and Hank Davis sit down with Dr. Jordan Swanson, a leading craniofacial and pediatric plastic surgeon at CHOP. From building forts in the woods of Washington State to building sustainable surgical centers in Nicaragua, Dr. Swanson shares a remarkable journey shaped by global health, mentorship, and innovation. Listeners will hear how his unconventional path—including time at Harvard, Johns Hopkins, the London School of Economics, and McKinsey—ultimately reinforced his passion for clinical medicine and patient care. Dr. Swanson reflects on his pioneering global health work with Operation Smile, the legacy of his mentors at Hopkins and CHOP, and his dual practice spanning pediatric craniofacial surgery and gender-affirming care. This conversation is a masterclass in surgical courage, patient empathy, and the future of plastic surgery—both at home and abroad. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: ●      How childhood experiences and global family influences shaped Dr. Swanson’s worldview ●      Why two years away from medical school deepened his passion for clinical medicine ●      Lessons from mentors like Dr. Eduardo Rodriguez, Dr. Paul Manson, and Dr. Linton Whittaker ●      Building sustainable pediatric surgical care in Nicaragua with Operation Smile ●      Balancing innovation and caution in pediatric craniofacial surgery ●      The role of mentorship and bi-directional global training programs ●      Insights into CHOP’s multidisciplinary cleft program and addressing disparities in care ●      How gender-affirming surgery intersects with craniofacial reconstruction ●      The growing role of technology and AI in surgical planning and patient outcomes ●      Practical advice for residents pursuing craniofacial surgery Quotable Moments: ●      “Healthcare is cool in Philadelphia—you see people walk across the South Street Bridge with pride.” ●      “When you innovate in pediatric surgery, it takes courage. You have to weigh the risk for a lifetime.” ●      “Global surgery isn’t about us setting the agenda—it’s about supporting local surgeons with autonomy.” ●      “Every patient encounter may feel routine for us, but for families, the bottom has just fallen out.” ●      “Curiosity is the most powerful motivator—let it drive your training and career.” Keywords (SEO-Driven): plastic surgery podcast, Jordan Swanson CHOP, pediatric plastic surgeon, craniofacial surgery, cleft lip and palate program, global surgery innovation, Operation Smile Nicaragua, Linton Whitaker craniofacial, gender affirming facial surgery, AI in surgical planning, Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia plastic surgery, mentorship in surgery, The DIEP End podcast Follow Dr. Jordan Swanson: ●      CHOP Profile: Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia Follow The DIEP End: ●      Instagram & YouTube: @thediependpodcast ●      Spotify & Apple Podcasts: The DIEP End Leave Us a Review: If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Your feedback helps more listeners discover these inspiring conversations.   Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Gerald Imber: World-Renowned Plastic Surgeon, Acclaimed Author of Genius on the Edge and Cardiac Cowboys (#36)
2025/09/17
Summary  In this engaging conversation, Dr. Gerald discusses his journey into medicine, the evolution of plastic surgery, and the impact of social media on the field. He reflects on his training, mentorship experiences, and the importance of maintaining a natural look for patients. Dr. Gerald shares valuable insights for future plastic surgeons, emphasizing the significance of hard work, honesty, and compassion in patient care. He also touches on the historical context of plastic surgery, particularly the influence of figures like Halstead, and concludes with personal reflections on life and career satisfaction.   Takeaways Dr. Gerald's journey into medicine was influenced by his friends. He found his passion for surgery during medical school. Mentorship played a crucial role in his specialization in plastic surgery. Plastic surgery has evolved to become more mainstream and accepted. Social media has changed how plastic surgeons promote their work. Future plastic surgeons should focus on both technical skills and patient interaction. Dr. Gerald emphasizes the importance of looking natural in cosmetic surgery. He believes in treating patients with dignity and kindness. Music plays a significant role in his surgical practice.  Chapters  00:00 Introduction and Early Influences 02:39 Journey into Medicine and Personal Challenges 05:07 Training and Mentorship in Surgery 07:47 Evolution of Plastic Surgery 10:40 The Impact of Social Media on Plastic Surgery 13:31 Advice for Future Plastic Surgeons 23:40 The Influence of Friends and Colleagues 25:17 The Journey to Writing: Halstead's Story 27:35 Inspiration from Genius on the Edge 28:36 Halstead's Early Life and Transformation 30:42 The Right Man at the Right Time 31:15 Relationships with Medical Giants 33:24 Addiction and Innovation in Medicine 35:12 The Blessings of a Medical Career 36:52 The Leap of Innovation in Surgery 40:47 Passion Over Profit in Medical Storytelling 42:00 The Art of Writing and Publishing 43:58 Reflections on Mentorship and Legacy 45:51 The Human Side of Greatness 47:42 Life Lessons and Personal Philosophy 51:40 The Evolution of Medical Training 53:41 Gratitude and Life Reflections 55:03 Music in the Operating Room 56:10 Favorite Surgical Instruments and Stories Keywords plastic surgery, mentorship, social media, surgical training, Halstead, medical history, patient care, personal insights, surgical instruments, life lessons Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Irene Mathijssen: Department Head of Plastic Surgery at Erasmus MC in Rotterdam, President of the International Society of Craniofacial Surgeons (#35)
2025/09/11
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Dr. Joshua Fosnot: Program Director at Penn Plastic Surgery, Application Season Advice & Tips (#34)
2025/09/04
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Dr. Sherrell Aston: Facelift Virtuoso, Past President ASAPS, Former Chairman of Plastic Surgery MEETH (#33)
2025/08/20
Guest: Dr. Sherrell J. Aston, Renowned Aesthetic Plastic Surgeon & Educator Podcast: The DIEP End Episode Summary: In this insightful episode of The DIEP End, Dr. Saїd Azoury and Dr. Hank Davis engage with Dr. Sherrell Aston, one of the most influential figures in aesthetic plastic surgery. Dr. Aston shares his journey from humble beginnings in rural Virginia to becoming an internationally recognized expert in facelifts and aesthetic innovation. His storied career includes training at esteemed institutions like UVA, UCLA, Johns Hopkins, and NYU, where he significantly advanced the field of facial plastic surgery. Dr. Aston candidly discusses the evolution of facelift techniques, from early innovations in SMAS and platysmal approaches to contemporary deep-plane and composite facelifts. He also offers personal anecdotes about balancing academic rigor with private practice, his philosophies on mentorship, patient care, and lifelong learning. Whether you're a surgical trainee, an established plastic surgeon, or simply fascinated by the world of aesthetic surgery, this episode offers rare insights from a pioneer whose work has shaped generations. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: ●      Dr. Aston’s pioneering journey through general and plastic surgery residencies ●      The history and evolution of the facelift, including SMAS and deep-plane techniques ●      His early career challenges and how he integrated private practice with academic surgery ●      Reflections on mentorship and his impactful training legacy at NYU ●      Dr. Aston’s unique insights into patient care and surgical innovation ●      The importance of maintaining physical fitness and balance as a surgeon Quotable Moments: ●      "Every facelift I do is a '10' until the bandage is on." ●      "Pursue what your heart tells you, otherwise you won't be truly happy." ●      "You learn from everyone—you must leave every meeting knowing something new." Keywords (SEO-Driven): Sherrell Aston podcast, facelift pioneer, aesthetic plastic surgery, SMAS facelift, deep-plane facelift, aesthetic surgery education, plastic surgery mentorship, surgical innovation, NYU plastic surgery, The DIEP End podcast, UVA medicine, Johns Hopkins plastic surgery Follow The DIEP End: ●      Instagram & YouTube: @thedeependpodcast ●      Spotify & Apple Podcasts: The DIEP End Leave Us a Review: If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Your feedback helps us bring these insightful conversations to more curious listeners. Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Paul Nassif: Facial Plastic Surgeon, Botched, and Revision Rhinoplasty (#32)
2025/08/06
Guest: Dr. Paul Nassif, Celebrity Facial Plastic Surgeon & TV Personality Podcast: the DIEP end Episode Summary: In this lively episode of The DIEP End, Dr. Saїd Azoury and Hank Davis sit down with Dr. Paul Nassif, a renowned facial plastic surgeon widely recognized from his roles on popular TV shows like Botched and The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Dr. Nassif takes listeners behind the scenes of his extraordinary life, sharing how his Lebanese upbringing, early business ventures, and celebrity encounters shaped his journey into becoming one of the world’s most respected facial plastic surgeons. From stories about running a bustling Hollywood restaurant while waiting for medical school acceptance to reflections on the personal and professional challenges of practicing high-stakes revision rhinoplasty, Dr. Nassif offers valuable insights into resilience, innovation, and the realities of life in the public eye. This conversation is perfect for aspiring surgeons, medical enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the intersection of medicine, media, and entrepreneurship. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: ●      How Dr. Nassif leveraged his restaurant business skills into his surgical practice ●      Behind-the-scenes insights from the hit show Botched ●      Dr. Nassif’s path from ENT residency to becoming a leader in facial aesthetics ●      Why mentorship and hands-on experience are critical to surgical success ●      The challenges and rewards of public-facing medicine ●      Advice for patients seeking complex revision surgery ●      The influence of Dr. Nassif’s Lebanese-American heritage on his career Quotable Moments: ●      "I opened a restaurant, and the day I opened, I got accepted into medical school." ●      "Botched took my technical skills to a whole new level." ●      "Don't take shortcuts; they always come back to bite you." Keywords (SEO-Driven): Paul Nassif podcast, celebrity plastic surgeon, Botched behind-the-scenes, revision rhinoplasty expert, Real Housewives surgeon, Lebanese-American plastic surgeon, facial aesthetic surgery, mentorship in surgery, patient care, plastic surgery innovation, DIEP End podcast, entrepreneurship in medicine Follow Dr. Nassif: ●      Instagram: @drpaulnassif ●      Website: drpaulnassif.com Follow The DIEP End: ●      Instagram & YouTube: @thedeependpodcast ●      Spotify & Apple Podcasts: The DIEP End Leave Us a Review: If you enjoyed this episode, please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Your feedback helps us continue sharing inspiring conversations. Send us a text Support the show Instagram: @thediependpodcast
Dr. Peter Rubin: Chair of Pitt Plastic Surgery, Leader in Body Contouring and Adipose Stem Cell Science (#31)
2025/07/30
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Dr. James Higgins: Chief of The Curtis National Hand Center, Leader in Reconstructive Hand and Microsurgery (#30)
2025/07/23
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4.9 out of 5
15 reviews
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KeatingSado 2025/05/25
DIEP END
The best plastic surgery podcast! A must listen!
★★★★★
F21nn 2024/11/26
Fascinating and inspiring
I am a medical student who loves microsurgery, especially in breast recon, and this is my new favorite podcast. Thank you!
★★★★★
Tim38481 2024/11/22
Insightful and inspiring!
I recommend this podcast to all my friends pursuing surgery. Thank you for recording these!
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