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Author Andrea Pitzer reveals what we can learn from the rise of strongmen around the world to thwart Trump and his allies.

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How Astounding But Ordinary People Beat Fascism
2026/10/29
Around the world and at home, a global democratic movement is making huge strides toward freedom and accountability. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/doing-the-work-at-hand LISTEN   Everywhere: https://pod.link/1779885475  WATCH TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DegenerateArtNewsletter  This week, Next Comes What considers recent elections in Serbia and Brazil, and how they're part of a global movement that matters very much in the United States right now. It can be easy to look at the rise of far-right governments or parties in places like France, Germany, and the U.S., while missing the successful opposition to these movements at home and abroad.   Andrea Pitzer walks through the many reasons we should follow international political shifts, and the ways the fates of other countries are directly bound up with the stability of democracy in the U.S. She considers the exuberant student movement that expelled longtime Serbian strongman Aleksandar Vučić from power on Sunday, as well as the defeat of Flávio Bolsonaro by Lula da Silva in Brazil the same day. The late surge toward Lula after Bolsonaro initially received more support in the first round of voting revealed an uprising that rejected the extreme authoritarianism Brazilians had previously shut down in the twentieth century in favor of liberal democracy, freeing themselves from dictatorship. In the Serbian case, opposition appears to be more focused on breaking up the cult of personality and defying a corrupt regime than massive democratization. Andrea ties both approaches to a broader range of resistance seen in other countries, from South Korea and Poland to Hungary earlier this year. The episode closes with a look at the No Kings marches held in the U.S. days ago, and encourages everyone to make these last days before the election count—and to get out the vote. 0:00 Global Reactionary Movements and Democratic Resilience 1:25 Serbia, Brazil, and Hungary: Rejecting Authoritarian Rule 3:50 Saluting the No Kings Marches and Grassroots Power 5:15 Roanoke Election Preview and Fighting in Ruby Red Districts 7:40 Foreign Interference, Tariffs, and International Autocratic Networks 11:15 Historical Parallels: Operation Condor and the Fight for Democracy 14:50 The Digital Battlefield: Starlink, Meta, and Social Media Censorship 18:30 Economic Justice and Affordability with Economist Isabella Weber 21:10 Early Voting Surges and the Impact of Mass Protests 24:00 Conclusion: Preventing Authoritarian Control and Protecting Our Institutions
Making Trumpers Pay for Their Corruption
2026/10/22
People are waking up to the profiteering at the heart of the administration. We can use the resulting fury to build a movement. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/the-corruption-umbrella LISTEN   Everywhere: https://pod.link/1779885475  WATCH TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DegenerateArtNewsletter  This week's episode looks at the many ways that corruption underpins every part of Trump administration policies. Andrea Pitzer considers the deliberate choice to inflict suffering in the U.S. and abroad, which has been done across the board for direct personal or political gain. She notes that the catastrophic shifts in U.S. policy that set the stage for much of what is happening today took place in response to the 9/11 attacks, but that Trump 2.0 does not even have that flimsy fig leaf of a justification, given that the president has intentionally created the crises now engulfing the country. All this has led to illness, hunger, war, and death.   Andrea explores the realms of immigration, citizenship, voting, democracy, law, wars, and international alliances, showing how the current administration's corruption is the common element underpinning every disaster. She also assesses the ways that oligarchs' expanding control over media has likewise corrupted democracy and our access to information--all in favor of expanding authoritarian rule in the U.S. Yet this corruption, she suggests, is now being recognized by voters across the board, as the profound harms Trump has unleashed are affecting everyone directly in highly visible ways. Using corruption as the battle cry for regaining control of government and cleaning house, Andrea believes, is a path to building a coalition of voters without throwing anyone under the bus. The episode closes with a look at how an anti-corruption coalition could work in defeating the expanding police state here at home.     0:00 The Anatomy of Trump 2.0 Corruption 2:15 Weaponizing Democracy, Law & the DOJ 5:40 ICE Contracts & The $2.8B Detention Grift 9:20 The Maduro Deal & Untracked Oil Revenue 12:35 Putin, Sanctions, & The Diesel Trade Betrayal 16:10 Oligarchs Buying the News & Information Ecosystem 19:45 Smears, Bigotry, & Manufactured Election Threats 23:30 Forcing AI and Toxic Data Centers on Communities 27:10 SNAP Benefits, Food Scarcity, & Hurting Families 31:00 Building an Anti-Corruption Movement to Fight Back
Millions Against Trump's Clampdown
2026/10/15
FIND A NO KINGS OCTOBER 17 VOTE EARLY EVENT NEAR YOU: https://www.nokings.org/  We can send the people pushing fascism on us back into their holes without buying into hate. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/the-clampdown-continues LISTEN   Everywhere: https://pod.link/1779885475    WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/bny4YMWYJ6U  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews  The latest episode of Next Comes What opens with a reminder to get to a No Kings event this weekend. Andrea Pitzer then considers how some authoritarian element is always bubbling away in any society and will crawl out given the opportunity. But sometimes you have to pay attention to see it. She notes how easy it is for millions of Americans to not notice ICE operations now that senior officers aren't making a big national spectacle of everything they do. Nonetheless, arrests and detentions have never stopped--and in many places have gotten worse. On a global scale, Andrea notes the moment she realized the same rhetoric and ideas used to defend the 2003 war in Iraq had come from the Vietnam war decades before—and are now being used to support Trump's war in Iran. When trying to defeat the fascist impulse seizing so much of the country right now, we do have to think strategically. But being heartless isn't the same as being strategic. Noting the increasing number of Democratic politicians supporting anti-trans bigotry, Andrea argues for learning how to talk to voters who have bought into propaganda without further entrenching the bigotry inherent in that propaganda. The episode closes with thoughts on how to buckle up for the long haul in changing our institutions, while recognizing that the November 3rd election holds the possibility of a tidal shift. Andrea encourages everyone to get out and vote. 00:00 Mass Deportations & ICE Arrest Surges 03:10 USAID Cuts & Global Food Security Crises 05:30 Authoritarianism, Protests & the Midterm Threat 09:20 Russia Dealings, Putin, & Zelensky Tensions 13:10 Parallels to Vietnam & The Costly Invasion of Iraq 15:45 U.S. Aggression vs. Iran's 92-Million-Person Civilization 19:15 Elon Musk's DOGE, Starlink Shutdowns & Political Spending 22:30 The Transgender Rights Battleground & Political Retrenchment 26:15 Building Pro-Democracy Movements & Distinguishing Cowards from Enemies 28:00 Closing Thoughts & Call to Action
The End of Trump (Is Not Enough)
2026/10/08
The roots of everything that ails the country go deeper than Trump, so we need to think beyond November 3rd. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/killing-zombie-trumpism LISTEN   Everywhere: https://pod.link/1779885475  WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/YiGxv_x0MKo  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews/video/7694661127610830094  This week's episode considers three recent news events and how they reveal the larger challenges facing the county. But first, Andrea Pitzer turns toward the November 3rd elections and the No Kings march coming up October 17. She encourages listeners to plan for both and so as much as possible to help defeat Trumpism at the ballot box. Victory there is critical, she suggests, but not sufficient. Andrea then looks at the botched execution of Christa Pike last week, the horrors of the Cornell Seven assault case, and the revelation that U.S. Senator Dr. Roger Marshall, an obstetrician, sued hundreds of his own patients and had them arrested. The instigating events of all these instances of deep animosity toward women in our country happened when Trump was not president. Andrea then turns to the recent elections in Brazil, which in recent years saw its institutions hold against the rise of authoritarianism. The judicial system acted against president Jair Bolsonaro, barring him from running for office until 2030, due to his attempts to subvert elections and foment a coup. Last weekend, his son ran in his place, and won the first round of voting. The runoff will take place later this month. Andrea discusses the ways that the authoritarian-industrial complex is hard to eradicate, in part because the real movers behind the politicians are those with money and power. And they want more of both. The episode closes by looking beyond November 3rd to the greater changes we'll need to make, and a nod toward the value of performative actions in long-term success. 0:00 Keep Your Hands Off Our Vote 3:15 The Lame Duck Reality in DC 5:40 Roots of the Crisis: The Reagan Precedent 7:20 Botched Executions and State Cruelty 13:10 Women as the Social Safety Net 16:45 The Breakdown at Cornell 20:30 Predatory Medical Debt and Systemic Inequality 23:15 The Orange Wave and Brazil's Global Far Right 28:00 Why Ending Trump Isn't Enough 31:30 The Authoritarian Industrial Complex
Who Dumps Trump?
2026/10/01
Authoritarians reveal themselves, even to followers who prefer not to see. And that leaves an opening for change. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/opening-the-blinds LISTEN   Everywhere: https://pod.link/1779885475  WATCH TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews/video/7692115338934127885  YouTube: https://youtu.be/p8YBYcAtXxs  This week, Next Comes What looks at the disillusionment that eventually takes place for most people who succumb to the cult of personality in an authoritarian society. Andrea Pitzer looks at events in recent weeks that are providing the spark for that awakening among many Trump supporters. With higher gas prices driving the point home, we also see everyone from next-door neighbors to judges and Republican politicians beginning to stand up against Trump, or at least to edge away from association with him.  Andrea compares this growing repudiation of the president and his policies to the case of Mitsuye Endo, a Japanese American U.S. citizen who was fired from her state job in California and detained in camps with her family during World War II. In other cases brought by Japanese Americans, a majority of justices on the Supreme Court rubber-stamped the bigotry of the day while rationalizing actions they understood were wrong. But when it came to Endo—a U.S.-born Christian with no ties to Japan or even the Japanese language—the judges could find no pretext at all to provide cover for what was, at root, a detention program based simply on racial exclusion. Seeing many recent examples of people recognizing that their faith in Trump was wrongheaded or even immoral, Andrea suggests that we've come to a similar moment in which Americans are being forced to choose. Not everyone will walk away from Trumpism, but many will, for reasons that may be ethical or practical—or both. The episode ends with suggestions on how to respond to those who do. 00:00 Introduction: Shifting Public Opinion & Political Dynamics 02:48 The Rising Costs of Living and Cracks in the GOP Coalition 05:36 Institutional Capitulation and the Defense of Democratic Norms 08:24 Leaving MAGA: Personal Realities and Disillusionment Stories 11:12 Human Toll: Immigration Crackdowns, ICE, and Affected Families 14:00 Legal Pushback: How Judges Are Challenging Federal Overreach 16:48 Historical Echoes: The Mitsuye Endo Case and Wartime Detentions 19:36 The Midterms and the Ripple Effects of Raging Unpopularity 22:24 Complicity, the Thanksgiving Table, and Long-Term Cultural Shifts 25:12 Conclusion: Guardrails for the Future and Continuing the Fight
Every Dictator Wants You in the Box
2026/09/24
Corrupt power will always inflict more harm if it can benefit from that additional suffering. But we don't have to let it happen. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/there-is-always-a-box LISTEN   Everywhere: https://pod.link/1779885475  WATCH TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews/video/7689199426488831246  YouTube: https://youtu.be/zJSTfGsCWzc  This week's episode of Next Comes What looks at an inspector general's report on Alligator Alcatraz, describing the uses there of a form of solitary confinement known as "the box"—a violation of the rules of detention. Andrea Pitzer gathers accounts of far worse use of the box than was described in the reports, explaining how detainees were beaten, shackled, and left in the cage alone in the hot sun. She then traces the use of "the box" in the early stages of other concentration camp systems, including Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, and Vietnam during the war. The box, however, predates modern concentration camp systems. In the US, it has deep roots slavery, prisons, and the contract labor system that rose up to fill the need for workers after slavery was abolished. The box has been used in countless places across centuries, and Andrea shares a story of one prisoner, Arthur Maillefert, who died in "the box" in Florida in 1932.    Despite the limitations of the inspector general's report, Andrea argues that its findings can be a vehicle for further investigation and accountability. And that accountability is crucial, because as long as corrupt powerholders exist, they will aim to have a new worst place to put demonized people and targeted groups to make examples of them. The episode ends with thoughts on how we can take action close to home to end a form of abuse that occurs daily around the country and around the world. 00:00 Inside "Alligator Alcatraz": The Reality of Modern Detention Camps 03:15 Why Every Lawless System Relies on Solitary Confinement 05:40 From the Soviet Gulag to the Box: A History of Camp Isolation 08:20 The US History of Solitary: From Quaker Experiment to Prison Abuse 11:10 The Dark Legacy of the Sweatbox in American Prisons 14:35 Concentration Camps as an End Run Around Due Process 16:50 The Business of Mass Detention: Private Prisons & ICE Contracts 19:10 Trump 2.0, Third-Country Deportations, and Stateless Detainees 22:45 The Gap Between Official Rationale and the Reality of Torture Boxes 25:10 The Danger of Normalizing Lawlessness and the Final Trap
In Trump's America, TV Watches You
2026/09/17
Companies and agencies are spying on everyone they can. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/when-your-tv-watches-you WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/YK380ux7pTk  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews/video/7686874023271206158   Our episode this week gathers a series of recent surveillance scandals, in which everything from public cameras to your AI agent and even your television may be monitoring you. To put the current snooping in context, Andrea Pitzer looks at the history of mass political surveillance. In the Nazi era, Heinrich Himmler dreamed of having five men to track every individual suspect. East Germany hired or co-opted more than one in seven citizens to spy. And the U.S. has its own history on this front, with a massive surveillance operation put into place during the civil rights era, with the goal of targeting Black Activists, Native Americans, and feminists.  In the modern era, Andrea notes that governments often have willing partners in tech companies, using tools that far surpass twentieth-century capabilities. Corporations are typically more interested in collecting data to increase their bottom line, while governments want surveillance to secure power and target public opposition. But in the end, companies are prone to collaborating with governments, especially if they can profit from it—even if doing so lets law enforcement take unethical or illegal actions. The problem of tech and AI isn't that they're aware or human (they're not). From China to the US, the real threat is the oligarchs and aspiring dictators who would happily eliminate our freedom for another dollar or an ounce of power. 00:00 Introduction and Recent Tech Surveillance 02:55 The Fallibility of AI and Stolen Discoveries 05:10 Human Contractors and Data Privacy 07:20 Historical Precedents of Authoritarian Surveillance 09:10 The Panopticon and East Germany's Stasi 12:00 COINTELPRO and the Erosion of Privacy Guardrails 14:30 China's High-Tech Xinjiang Surveillance Model 17:30 Historical Parallels of Surveillance 20:00 The Role of Tech Monopolies and AI in Modern Surveillance 22:30 Policy, Resistance, and Actionable Steps Forward
21st Century Fascism Is for Losers
2026/09/10
Here's how to take on the global right-wing nostalgia for the glory days of fascism. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/the-global-fascist-reboot-trap WATCH YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DegenerateArtNewsletter  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews  This week's Next Comes What looks at the victory of the authoritarian, reactionary party AfD in last weekend's election in eastern Germany. Andrea Pitzer considers a few of the regional specifics of that election, and considers other universal aspects of the global rise of neo-Nazi and Nazi-adjacent movements. What the twenty-first century models have in common is the open demonization of immigrants. There is no way out of the current political crisis, Andrea suggests, without addressing that demonization head-on.   Summarizing a recent Syracuse University study, she explores the ways that various kinds of media function, not only providing misinformation and disinformation, but also setting moral frameworks that make an argument about whether immigrants are seen as fully human. The Syracuse researchers found that fact-checking statements does not automatically adjust the underlying moral narrative the original misinformation was supporting. Andrea argues that defeating the authoritarian threat cannot happen through attempts to moderate a few of the right's most extreme tactics. A long-term solution requires friends of democracy to directly address perverse frameworks and messaging by offering not only substantially different policies but also a narrative that directly counters the one that fascists have been selling. 00:00 Introduction: The Arc of Right-Wing Sabotage and Fascist Ideology 03:15 The Role of Anti-Immigrant Paranoia in Modern Right-Wing Politics 06:40 Case Study: The Rise of the AfD in Germany and MAGA Parallels 10:15 Deliberate Propaganda: How Disinformation is Created and Spread 14:35 Incidental Propaganda: The Media's Role in Amplifying Far-Right Narratives 19:10 Moral Disadvantage and Partisan Media Exposure (The Syracuse Study) 23:55 Economic Anxiety, Tariffs, and Industrial Decline in the US and Europe 28:20 Historical Parallels: Nostalgia for Fascism and the Concentration Camp Tendency 33:10 The Global Wave of Apocalyptic Fever and Tech Oligarchs 37:45 A Long-Term Framework and Strategy to Defend Democracy
A Movement Bigger Than Hating Data Centers
2026/09/03
The data center revolt and the pushback against detention camps have something in common. The public is realizing it has power. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/complete-control WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/o5Hf7Q9TGfw  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews/video/7681458790838914318  This week, "Next Comes What" considers how the oligarchs driving the AI boom and the president of the United States are all driven by a desire not just for wealth but for unlimited power that gives them control over humanity itself. Andrea Pitzer looks at Donald Trump's attempt to use the entire apparatus of the federal government to make reality whatever he says it is, with disastrous consequences for the country and the world. The CEOs pushing the AI boom portray themselves as the saviors of humanity, but in reality are inflicting tremendous damage by steamrolling communities and workers with new tools of technology that cannot deliver on the disingenuous promises being made by the tech titans. Meanwhile, both the president and the CEOs are warping the global economy.   Yet what they demand is not inevitable. Just as with the local--and occasionally even bipartisan--pushback on ICE's attempt to convert existing warehouses into concentration camps nationwide, the data center revolution is now facing resistance from unhappy Americans across the political spectrum. Andrea looks at what it means when people wake up to the power that they have, considers the risks of any big social reaction, and explains why it's important for the anti-data center movement to become bigger than simple backlash. Before the current momentum can get diverted to benefit those who seek only more exclusion and control, supporters of self-governance need to harness this revolt and build a coalition that embraces democratic values, linking the health and stability of local communities to a bigger concept of what kind of country we ought to be. 00:00 - The Illusion of Power and Real-World Harm 03:45 - Manufactured Reality: Renaming Lake Ontario to Erasing Public Health Data 07:12 - Billionaire Philanthropy, Tech Oligarchs, and the Drive for Absolute Control 11:05 - The Reactionary Playbook: How CEOs and Politicians Conflated Cultural Grievances 14:50 - Gil Duran on The Nerd Reich, The Sovereign Individual, and Tech Governance 18:30 - The Grassroots Anti-Data Center Movement: A Cross-Partisan Populist Revolt 22:15 - Risks of Unchecked Resistance: Avoiding Scapegoating and Isolationism 26:00 - Corporate Encroachment, Public Resistance, and the Fight for Democratic Accountability
Why You Can't Compromise with Fascists
2026/08/28
As elections loom, resist the calls to throw away your moral compass. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe   Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/don-t-lose-the-plot WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/3Ymu6tZAm0s  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews   With so many pundits calling for meeting Republicans and independent voters where they're at before the midterms, this week's "Next Comes What" considers what that means. Andrea Pitzer discusses how the days in which fringe candidates could be dismissed as irrelevant are long gone. The fringe extremists are running the country now. Andrea looks at the ways that Trump and his advisers are vile actors committing heinous acts, and notes that it's impossible to compromise on the very issue of every person's right to exist without being terrorized by the government and their neighbors. There's no way to compromise on these issues without doing harm to vulnerable people and our political system itself.   Walking listeners through a different approach, she suggests finding a political stance based on values, and then trying to bring other people toward that by addressing needs that they themselves can understand—and emphasizing the policies they, too, will benefit from. The good news, Andrea suggests, is that Trump's agenda is deeply unpopular, and becoming more so. The challenge before us is to offer a better vision of what government, and we ourselves, can be.   00:00 - Midterm Elections and the Threats to Democracy 02:15 - Natalie Harp and Donald Trump's Inner Circle 05:40 - The Rise of Extremist Rhetoric in US Politics 08:20 - Misinformation, Bad Advisors, and Political Control 12:10 - Anti-DEI Backlash and Structural Discrimination 15:35 - Global Impacts: USAID Cuts and Foreign Military Actions 19:50 - The Evolution of the War on Terror and Extrajudicial Power 24:15 - Historical Compromises and the Erosion of Democratic Values 27:30 - The Risks of Unchecked AI and Corporate Influence 30:10 - Why Moral Politics Matter: Staying Grounded Against Extremism
The Torturers' Club & The Business of Barbed Wire
2026/08/20
To help keep concentration camps from becoming a permanent feature, figure out who's in the torturers' club and who sells the barbed wire. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe   Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/the-business-of-barbed-wire  WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/9jk7gX1RMxY    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews   This week's episode looks at what it means to be in the middle stages of a concentration camp regime—which is where the United States is at now. Andrea Pitzer discusses how the shift from performative incidents of violence and terror at the beginning gives way to a more institutionalized and methodical approach, one in which the bureaucracy of the police state becomes more entrenched and self-sustaining. This explains the transition from theatrical street actions, like those of Gregory Bovino, former face of the Border Patrol, to the lower-profile, more methodical approach of (relatively) new DHS head Markwayne Mullin.   To consider how this quieter entrenchment and creation of a self-sustaining concentration camp machine unfolds, Andrea looks at who makes the physical means of detention and harm, and how the ideas on how to harm are spread. She focuses on two historical examples--that of Oliver Brothers of Pittsburgh, the company that made barbed wire for the first concentration camps in Cuba, and the evolution of the tactic of la parrilla—"the grill"—a form of electrical torture used under dictatorship in Chile a half-century ago. She then turns to modern appliances that aid in atrocities: electroshock gloves, ankle monitors, and omnipresent surveillance cameras. She notes a new airline contract supporting ICE deportations—possibly involving running detention facilities as well. The episode ends with a look at ways to stall, block, and shut down the torturers' club and the businesses that profit from the deliberate infliction of human misery.   00:00 - How Concentration Camp Regimes Actually Form 02:18 - The 1890s U.S. Tech Supply Line Behind Reconcentración 05:14 - The Evolution of Extrajudicial Torture Tactics 07:15 - How Police State Systems Move from Malice to Institutionalization 10:13 - Inside the Modern Private Detention & ICE Expansion 12:12 - High-Tech Surveillance: Flock Cameras & Electric Shock Gear 14:55 - How Local Resistance is Shutting Down Detention Sites 17:42 - Grassroots Tactics: Organizing, Protests, & Documenting Abuse 21:30 - Ending Human Rights Violations at the Local Level
Breaking ICE
2026/08/06
A panoramic review of immigrant persecution under Trump 2.0 so far and a look at where we are now. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe  Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/breaking-ice WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/cJ-puSPNlHs  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews  LISTEN   Everywhere: https://pod.link/1779885475    This week, Andrea Pitzer reviews what has happened with the Trump administration's strategic violence against immigrants in the U.S. during the year and a half since his return to office. Andrea mentions three crises that the government hopes people will simply ignore, but which are causing tremendous suffering: cuts to USAID, climate change, and the systemic persecution of immigrants. All three are critical to attend to, but for this episode, she focuses on what has happened since January 2025 on the immigration front. Running through the Trump administration's attempts to use wartime laws to deport detainees to a gulag in El Salvador, and Stephen Miller's longstanding dream of building tent cities, she shows how those dreams played out in reality. Those deported to El Salvador faced horrific abuse, and two tent-style concentration camp projects led to Camp East Montana at Fort Bliss in Texas, and the Everglades camp in Florida that the administration named "Alligator Alcatraz." Both camps have inflicted tremendous suffering on detainees. The Florida camp has been shut down, but Camp East Montana still holds thousands of detainees. The tent-city project went badly enough that the government has pivoted repeatedly to other approaches, including a short-lived attempt to use Navy overseas contracting architecture to build concentration camps domestically. This also hit roadblocks. Next, Trump and his allies turned to trying to acquire existing warehouses and retrofit them for Amazon-style mass detention in a nationwide network of concentration camps. Local resistance to these sites was fierce and fast. Now the government is pivoting to building new facilities at sites it already owns or controls, which will make pushing back against them a more complicated and challenging effort. Andrea closes the episode with a few thoughts on how people have resisted thus far, and the innovating spirit that has inspired everyday people to find novel and effective means to put sand in the gears of the deportation machine. 00:00 - Introduction & The Three Growing Crises 03:15 - Day One: Early Moves & Expanding ICE Power 06:42 - Tent Cities & The Everglades Detention Infrastructure 10:15 - Federalizing Police & Los Angeles Deployments 13:50 - Border Operations & Community Resistance Tactics 17:30 - Minneapolis Crackdown & Gregory Bovino's Removal 21:10 - Warehouse Expansion: ICE's Strategic Shift 25:05 - Local Movements Stopping Detention Centers 28:40 - The History of Camp Resistance & Lessons Ahead
Strongmen, Cockroaches, and Flamingos
2026/07/30
India and Albania reveal how small protests can transform into big movements, creating possibilities for massive change.    Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe    Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/roots-for-real-change    WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/CRVe4pVKoIM   TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews    Listen everywhere: https://pod.link/1779885475    This week's Next Comes What considers what can be learned from overseas movements for political change. Andrea Pitzer reviews a few big examples she's discussed before, from Brazil and South Korea to Hungary. But she points out that these countries, which were able to prosecute and or expel corrupt authoritarians from power, are examples of the end stages of political movements. For today's episode, she looks instead at countries that are earlier in the same process. In Albania, she traces political protests and dissatisfaction that rose in the wake of parliamentary elections last year. This generalized anger found a flash point and a symbol with the attempts of Jared Kushner and Invanka Trump this year to develop an environmentally fragile part of the country as a high-end resort. Anger over what appears to be government corruption in opening the region to development has galvanized the people and led to what is being called the Flamingo Revolution: massive protests of a kind not seen in the country in decades.   In India, student anger of a lack of jobs and opportunities for the country's young adults exploded after a chief justice described them as cockroaches. Seizing on the nickname, the students formed a Cockroach People's Party. The online movement expanded into physical protests in New Delhi. After police violence against protesters, demonstrations multiplied across India, eventually securing the resignation of the education minister and other promised concessions.   Both movements are still in the early stages, but Andrea highlights the examples they offer for everyday people on ways to make a stand against authoritarian government. The episode closes by outlining how a focus on local issues can be a potent force for fighting Trumpism here in the U.S.   00:00 – Everyday Resistance & The Limits of Authoritarian Power 03:30 – Defeating ICE: How Local Communities Blocked PA Detention Facilities 06:45 – Dismantling Authoritarian Infrastructure: The Closure of Alligator Alcatraz 10:00 – Albania's Flamingo Revolution: Resisting Jared Kushner's Island Development 15:30 – India's Cockroach Janata Party: Youth Uprising Against Exam Scandals & Modi 20:45 – Student Activism Under Fire: ICE Arrests, Columbia Expulsions & UMich Indictments 25:00 – Symbols of Resistance: Lessons from Serbia's Otpor! Movement 28:30 – Organizing for Long-Term Political Change
Booed, Sued, and Blocked
2026/07/23
Every day, people are showing how we can stop Trump's dismantling of our laws and norms by using both to fight back. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe   Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/what-gets-booed-and-who-gets-sued   WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/FEptYLVSnSU  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews   Our episode this week looks at how the current administration has violated both laws and customs on every front to try to profit from government positions and maximize Trump's power across the board. Andrea Pitzer shows how, from business corruption to ICE detention and the war in Iran, it's nearly impossible to keep track of the ways in which the president is destroying the rule of law and any willingness to respect precedent, in and out of courts. Exploring the use of the rule of law as a weapon against vulnerable and targeted groups since the country's founding, Andrea outlines why the law itself has often been a force for wrong. She nevertheless argues that the history of authoritarianism shows that when existing law is ignored or dismantled through dictatorial power grabs, it consistently exacerbates the crisis faced by vulnerable groups, and others as well.   Andrea then goes through recent broad reviews of everything from ICE detention practices to court cases brought by the DOJ. While precedent is being ground down, and the legal system remains under tremendous strain, Andrea points out how the law is still being used successfully to deny Trump and his allies the unlimited power they want. She looks at how communities are establishing and upholding norms as well. From a refusal of a New Jersey town council to do business with a bank partnering with major ICE contractors to a Baltimore rugby team that is standing by its trans players, there are examples everywhere of everyday people finding effective ways to push back against hatred and corruption.  00:00 — Executive Corruption & The Kazakhstan Mineral Deal   02:30 — Alien Terrorist Removal Court & Iran War Casualties   06:15 — Human Rights Violations in ICE Youth Detention   09:40 — ACLU Report: Law Enforcement Liability & Abuse   12:20 — Supreme Court Forces E. Jean Carroll $5.6M Payout   14:50 — Federal Judges Block DOJ Voter Roll Seizure   17:15 — Failed DOJ Prosecutions: Marimar Martinez & David Hern   20:00 — Holding ICE & Stephen Miller Accountable in Court   22:10 — Grassroots Victories: Montclair $91M Bank Divestment   24:30 — Local Resistance: Communities Protecting Trans Athletes
Little Gitmos Everywhere
2026/07/16
A new U.S. government call for contractors aims to set up a global network of concentration camps, and your representatives likely don't know about it yet. Support Next Comes What + Get Andrea's posts FIRST: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/little-gitmos-everywhere  WATCH YouTube: https://youtu.be/tHHxhiDu5S4  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews LISTEN  Everywhere else: https://pod.link/1779885475    This week's episode of "Next Comes What" looks at a new U.S. government document seeking private contractors for disturbing partnerships. A lot of the "statement of work" describes maintaining an air fleet and permits to support deportation operations, but the document also makes reference to 1,000-bed sites, "detention facilities," and "detainees" in other countries. Andrea Pitzer walks listeners through key passages in the document, first discovered by Charles Davis, and shows how it will lead to the creation of a global network of concentration camps run by the United States. Recounting the Trumpist use of third-country deportation networks, Andrea explains how the improvised partnerships are hardening into trafficking relationships with other countries, soon to be followed by dedicated detention facilities. She explores the history of prior offshore camps, from Guantanamo to Australian payments to other nations for detention on Manus and Nauru. In each case, the lack of oversight and direct access resulted in tremendous harm. The U.S. appears to be up to a year away from executing this plan, giving everyday people a chance to intervene and stop it. The episode closes with suggestions on how to take action now. 0:00 Introduction: ICE's Secret Plan for Global Detention Camps 2:05 Breaking Down the SAM.gov Contractor Solicitation 5:32 What Are "International Staging Areas" (ISAs)? 8:58 The CECOT Blueprint: How El Salvador Became the Template 14:50 Third Country Detention: 21,000 Deported and Counting 16:04 Lessons from History: Guantanamo, Australia's Nauru, and Operation Condor 19:10 The Privatization Problem: Who Profits from Offshore Detention 22:42 How to Stop This Before It's Too Late

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NorreyBorrey 2026/06/20
Clear and important
Andrea is the most important voice of reason, moral clarity, and action in this time. This podcast will keep you informed about what matters while giv...
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Sir Sniffs 2026/02/18
Hope Abounds
At times it can seem that something is SO overwhelming and has taken on a life of its own…so much so that the average person doesn’t know where to eve...
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SkylerJune 2026/02/15
Frank, calm and helpful in these times.
With this topic, it’s not easy to take a serious tone that does not incite fear. This podcast is empowering, validating and addresses with real clarit...
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Zvbxrpl799 2026/02/05
Need to cite
The content is interesting but I find the format jarring when I hear a disembodied quote from an interview or a news analyst and then Andrea interject...
★★★★★
Valleestein 2025/12/27
Hope and Change
Andrea Pitzer gives it to us straight with no hyperbole, just the facts. Then, she ends the podcast describing things we can do. Thank you, Andrea!
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Babalitos 2025/12/04
Insightful
So helpful
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Relationscapes 2025/11/29
Must-listen
Andrea is a thoughtful and intersectional voice for a country in crisis. Makes the stakes clear without making me feel completely hopeless. I feel dri...
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MrsMarci 2025/11/14
Clarity
I love the clarity of this podcast as she turns the light of history on current events. I eagerly look forward to each episode.
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Enerene44 2025/11/04
Thank you for this podcast!
I am so grateful I found this podcast. Andrea Pitzer’s gives the perfect perspective in history, both for how to see how bad things really are and, mo...
★★★★★
happylittlegnome 2025/10/25
Great show
Original reporting and insightful commentary from a trusted source. So glad I found this podcast
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