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Exploring the intersection of queer identity and catholicism - sharing stories of those who've left, remained, and created their own journeys; providing commentary on the catholic church's harmful teachings; helping those who've been hurt.
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Can You Be Catholic And A Feminist? | Salina.Bear On Birth Control and Women's Rights
2026/10/14
In this episode, I sit down with Catholic feminist, lay theologian, and spiritual director-in-training Salina Bear to talk about her unlikely journey from Reformed Protestantism, through deconstruction, and ultimately into the Catholic Church.
Salina shares how growing up with Calvinist ideas about God led her to question Christianity from an early age, why she eventually stepped away from organized religion, and how an existential crisis during COVID unexpectedly brought faith back into her life. She also tells the story of attending Eucharistic adoration for the first time convinced she needed to become Catholic.
We also get into some of the questions that have made Selena's online work controversial: Can you be a Catholic feminist? What does the Church actually teach about primacy of conscience? Can faithful Catholics disagree with Church teaching? Is contraception an infallible teaching? And why does online Catholicism often look so different from the Catholicism people actually encounter in their parishes?
Finally, we talk about her marriage to an Orthodox Christian, spiritual trauma, deconstruction and reconstruction, online traditionalism, and why Salina is training to become a spiritual director for people who want to heal from harmful experiences with Christianity without necessarily abandoning their faith.
00:00 Meet Salina Bear
02:49 Growing Up Reformed
03:53 Calvinism and God Image
07:29 Teen Faith and Doubts
09:02 Church Leadership Disillusionment
13:43 Stepping Away to Deconstruct
15:01 COVID Panic and Return to Prayer
20:41 First Mass and Liturgy Surprise
22:33 Adoration Changed Everything
26:47 Catholic and Orthodox Marriage
35:53 Two Traditions Marriage
39:51 Conscience and Autonomy
41:40 Online Trad Toxicity
44:24 Birth Control & Forming Conscience
56:46 Reading Church Authority
01:03:13 Becoming Spiritual Director
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Why Aquinas' Five Ways Fail: Two Ex-Catholics Debunk JesusAndWhatnot's "How The Communist Manifesto Proves God's Existence"
2026/10/07
In this episode of Apostate’s Imprimatur, Colin and I react to Jesusandwhatnot’s video titled "How the Communist Manifesto Proves God's Existence," explanation of Aquinas’s famous Five Ways: the arguments from motion, efficient causality, contingency, degrees of perfection, and final causality.
We dig into act and potency, infinite regress, first causes, divine simplicity, Aristotle, physics vs. metaphysics, and the assumptions hiding underneath these arguments. Even if we grant some version of a “first cause” or “unmoved mover,” how do we get from there to an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving personal God, much less the God of Christianity?
Along the way, we ask whether Aquinas’s arguments describe reality, whether confusing someone with technical philosophical language actually proves anything, and why arguments that have been debated for centuries are still sometimes presented as obvious and uncontested proofs of God.
Noah's original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUOZcbNeKIE
00:00 Who Is Jesusandwhatnot
09:33 Aquinas Five Ways Intro
10:26 Motion Proof Explained
13:47 Potency and Ontology Debate
26:10 Causation Chain and Regress
31:50 Physics Pushback and Forces
34:03 Nothing Truly Begins
36:32 From Prime Mover to God
39:46 Special Pleading and Language
41:02 Perfection Smuggled In
52:29 Efficient Cause Argument
54:23 Physics vs Metaphysics Definitions
01:01:59 Infinite Regress and Cosmology
01:06:18 Contingency and Nothingness
01:08:09 Third Way Rehash
01:12:58 Logic Above God
01:16:07 Blendered Proofs Critique
01:17:22 Degrees of Perfection Setup
01:20:49 Fire Causes Heat Debunked
01:23:13 Nominalism and Genus Problems
01:25:26 Goodness Category Errors
01:34:00 Begging the Maximum Cause
01:35:44 Fifth Way Explained
01:36:59 Teleology Meets Evolution
01:39:10 Ends Are Human Uses
01:45:38 Special Pleading Intelligence
01:49:36 Modern Physics Pushback
01:54:33 Summa Ethics Detour
01:57:52 Thomism As Party Trick
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Debunking: "Does Porn Make You Gay?" | What Psychological Studies Actually Shows About @JesusAndWhatnot's Claim
2026/09/26
After seeing Catholic apologist Noah ( @Jesus.andwhatnot ) argue that pornography may cause homosexual desires, I decided to dig into the actual research.
In this video, I work through more than two dozen academic sources covering sexual orientation, sexual identity formation, pornography use, childhood abuse, correlation vs. causation, sexual fluidity, and sexual orientation change efforts. I also explain some of the basic research concepts that can help us distinguish a provocative correlation from evidence that one thing actually causes another.
As a gay former traditional Catholic apologist myself, I also want to talk about why these claims matter beyond an academic debate. Ideas about sexual orientation being caused or changed by particular behaviors can quickly overlap with claims underlying conversion therapy and sexual orientation change efforts.
My sources: https://gayextrad.substack.com/p/debunking-with-actual-studies-does
Noah's original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXtY2xa9lFQ
00:00 Does Porn Make You Gay?
01:17 It's Not a Study
01:34 Survey Not Study
01:58 Orientation Is Complex
03:44 Identity Attraction Behavior
05:54 Porn Survey Problems
12:32 Correlation Not Causation
14:43 How To Test It
17:17 Puberty And Timing
18:34 What The Data Show
21:54 Abuse Claim Reversed
28:04 Hypothetheory Critique
29:44 Disordered Language Harm
31:28 Conversion Therapy Harms
32:38 Causality And Methods
35:55 Expert Consensus Matters
41:12 Motte Bailey
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No, The Resurrection Is Not A Historical Fact - Part 2 - Responding to Trent Doherty on Pints With Aquinas
2026/09/23
Is the resurrection of Jesus actually a historical fact or does the argument only work if you begin with Christian assumptions?
In part two of our deep dive into the historical case for the Resurrection, Colin and I examine some of the most popular arguments used by Christian apologists: the claim that the apostles wouldn’t die for a lie, the supposed eyewitness accounts of the risen Jesus, the 500 witnesses mentioned by Paul, the early creed in 1 Corinthians 15, and attempts to use probability and Bayes’ theorem to argue that the Resurrection is historically likely.
We look at what we actually know about the deaths of the apostles, how the resurrection narratives developed across the Gospels, what Paul does—and doesn’t—claim to have witnessed, and whether early belief in the Resurrection is the same thing as evidence that it actually happened.
00:00 Recap Minimal Facts
02:20 Escaping Apologetics Maze
03:55 Apostles Die for Lie
11:11 Roman Guards Doubts
24:10 500 Witnesses Problem
26:49 Women at the Tomb Motif
29:08 Doubting Thomas and Belief
31:32 Memory and Legend Growth
35:46 Mythic Tropes and Other Gospels
39:57 Paul and the 500 Witnesses
50:25 Visions and Bereavement Experiences
54:48 Skepticism About 500
56:52 Pauline Creed Timeline
01:02:37 Memory And Mythmaking
01:09:44 God Assumption Debate
01:11:20 Additive Evidence Claim
01:13:35 What Resurrection Means
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Coming Out Made Me A Stronger Man: Gym Culture, Masculinity, and Entrepreneurship | @SigurdAuthentic
2026/09/16
In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with @SigurdAuthentic , founder of Gay Unmasked, to hear his coming out story and explore what it actually takes to accept that you're gay.
https://www.skool.com/gay-unmasked-4697/about
Sigurd opens up about recognizing his attraction to men as a teenager, falling for his male best friend, wrestling with stereotypes about gay men, and eventually reframing what being gay meant to him. We talk about masculinity, strength, CBT, shame, self-acceptance, dating, coming out to family and friends, and why building a life around purpose became so important after coming out.
We also dig into the philosophy behind Gay Unmasked, Sigurd's growing community for gay men, and his argument that coming out shouldn't be about asking other people for permission to be yourself.
00:00 Coming Out Is Ongoing
02:15 Early Signs and Denial
04:19 Growing Up Around Masculinity
11:16 Accepting It at 18
13:25 Mac and First Real Feelings
18:16 Reframing Gay Identity
21:51 CBT and Strength Mindset
25:44 First Confession to a Friend
30:01 Coming Out to Dad and Friends
31:46 Tinder Screenshot Plot Twist
36:01 Strength as Shield
36:29 Gym as Emotional Outlet
38:40 Life Moves On Mindset
40:39 Unmasking and Alan Watts
47:06 After Coming Out Purpose
49:21 Redirecting the Fight
55:56 Dating Men and Identity
01:05:44 Community and CBT Coaching
01:11:33 Success Stories and Farewell
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We Visited the Biggest Catholic Cult in America: The SSPX in St Mary's, Kansas (With Atheist Church Audit @Heliocentric and Mormons @AllThoseInFavor)
2026/09/09
I took an atheist and a Mormon on a road trip to St. Mary’s, Kansas to experience the SSPX firsthand.
We attended a traditional Latin Mass, toured the massive Immaculata, talked with members of the community, and tried to understand what draws people to this intensely traditional form of Catholicism. Coming from three very different religious backgrounds (ex-traditional Catholic / current atheist, former Pentecostal / current atheist, and practicing Latter-day Saint), we each walked away with very different reactions.
We talk about the beauty (and boredom) of the Latin Mass, Catholic tradition, relics, hell, Vatican II, the SSPX’s conflict with Rome, how outsiders are treated, and whether this community actually succeeds at its stated mission of saving souls.
00:00 Heliocentric & All Those In Favor
01:41 What Is the SSPX
03:24 Expectations Going In
05:03 Road Trip to St Marys
06:43 First Sight of the Church
08:22 Drone Shots and Suspicious Locals
10:12 Medieval Dinner and Hotel
11:34 Mass Morning and Naming the Building
13:35 Inside the Immaculata First Impressions
16:48 Silence Sunlight and Getting Shushed
18:41 Latin Mass Reactions
22:11 Relics and Ranking Spirituality
30:27 SSPX Identity and Excommunication Denial
33:28 Latin Mass Confusion
34:10 Sermon Advice: Read Books
39:24 Hellfire Afterlife
41:21 Communion Rail Awkwardness
45:59 Tour Guides And Lunch
52:55 Trad Culture And Politics
54:27 Human Stories And Mary
59:17 Seeker Friendly Critique
01:05:08 Final Takeaways Next Steps
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Is the Resurrection of Jesus a Historical Fact? Atheists Respond to EVERY Resurrection Claim - Part 1 - (Trent Dougherty on Pints With Aquinas Reaction)
2026/09/09
Can history actually establish that Jesus rose from the dead?
In this episode of Atheist Imprimatur, Colin and I take on one of the central arguments in Christian apologetics: that the Resurrection isn't merely something Christians believe by faith, but something we have good historical reasons to accept as fact.
We examine the “minimal facts” approach associated with Gary Habermas, claims about the empty tomb, eyewitness testimony, early Christian belief, and the role our assumptions about God and miracles play in evaluating the evidence.
More importantly, we ask a basic question that often gets lost in apologetics: What can historians actually establish—and where does historical evidence end and faith begin?
This is Part 1 of our very long attempt to answer that question.
00:00 Why This Resurrection Video
07:28 Apologetics as Reassurance
11:13 Faith Versus Evidence
13:06 Appeal to Authority Problems
23:22 God Exists Then Miracles
27:42 Supernatural Explanations Spiral
32:23 Is God Really 50/50?
34:11 Historians and Resurrection Claims
42:16 Easter Meditation Not Proof
44:38 Habermas and Minimal Facts
52:38 Three Es and Empty Tomb
56:46 Sherlock Holmes Historiography
01:00:57 Empty Tomb Sources and Context
01:04:17 Empty Tomb Objections
01:08:42 Why Not Produce the Body
01:10:53 Acts and Early Movement
01:13:35 Roman Religious Tolerance
01:16:17 Three Explanations Critique
01:21:35 Tomb Worship Skepticism
01:25:19 They Wouldnt Die for a Lie
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Left-Wing Influencers Share Why They Left Christianity: @OneHandPolitics @GregFromVideo1
2026/09/02
I sat down with @onehandpolitics and @GregFromVideo1 to compare three very different journeys out of Christianity. We talk about growing up Catholic and Evangelical, youth group culture, religious colleges, belonging, political identity, critical thinking, and what life looks like after leaving faith behind. Rather than debating theology, we explore why people believe, why people leave, and what replaces religion once you've built your identity around it. Whether you're religious, deconstructing, or simply curious, I hope this conversation gives you something to think about.
00:00 Mason's Backstory
03:36 Greg Youth Group Spiral
06:46 Cade Catholic Roots
09:21 College Faith Cracks
12:58 Scientology and Critical Thinking
16:23 Mason Deconstruction Breakpoint
22:54 Politics Meets Religion
27:18 Biola Rules and Side B
31:54 Belonging Beyond Religion
38:19 Calvinism And NPC Thinking
44:47 Will Religion Keep Declining?
54:04 Is Atheism A Religion
58:23 BITE Model Control Tactics
01:03:28 In Groups Define Out Groups
01:08:23 Tribalism And Power
01:10:46 Which Atheists Irritate
01:27:54 Science Is Not Ethics
01:34:10 Religion Can Liberate
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How My ADHD Made Me a Religious Extremist: From Joining Catholic Cults to Starting Medication This Year (Responding to Matt Walsh)
2026/09/01
DISCLAIMER: None of today's video should be used as medical advice. I am not a doctor, nor do I have any degrees in psychology/medication/etc. Only take medication under the supervision of a licensed medical provider.
After being diagnosed with ADHD and spending the past year on medication, I've started looking very differently at my years in traditional Catholicism, my love of religious debates, and even the way I built this YouTube channel. Matt Walsh recently commented that 'psychiatry has done nothing for us,' and I use that clip as a jumping off point in today's video.
In this video, I explore my hypothesis that ideological conflict can sometimes function as stimulation for an ADHD brain. I talk about how Catholic ritual and structure genuinely helped me manage symptoms I didn't yet understand, why I kept gravitating toward increasingly extreme religious positions, and why confrontation became such a powerful source of stimulation for me.
I also share, for the first time, my experience taking ADHD medication: the fears I had about medication, masculinity, addiction, and changing my personality—and what actually happened after a year of treatment.
00:00 - 1: Introduction
01:54 - Outline
02:09 - Disclaimers
03:02 - 2: What Does An ADHD Brain Look Like?
08:19 - 3: Why ADHD'ers Self-Medicate With Stimuli
10:29 - 4: My Hypothesis: Extremism As Self Medication
16:09 - 5: How Catholicism 'Helped' My ADHD
21:29 - 6: ADHD As An Atheist YouTuber
22:50 - 7: How I Got on ADHD Medication
32:24 - 8.1: How Meds Have Changed Me
34:45 - 8.2: What Meds Mean for My Channel
36:21 - 9: Meds Aren't Perfect
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Catholic Apologist Accidentally Makes The Case for Secular Morality: Reacting to Brian Holdsworth
2026/08/26
In this episode, Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video "I'm Not Strong Enough to Be an Atheist." We unpack his portrayal of atheism through John Lennon and Nietzsche, discuss whether morality really requires God, and examine where we think his arguments miss the mark. Along the way we talk about humanism, socialism, religion, objective morality, Catholic apologetics, and what life after faith actually looks like. If you've ever wondered whether atheism inevitably leads to nihilism—or whether that's a false choice—this conversation is for you.
00:00 Back for Another Episode
02:00 Two Kinds of Atheism Setup
08:36 Commons Dilemma and Human Nature
10:42 Socialism and Incentives Pushback
17:55 Nietzsche and Moral Foundations
21:56 Objective Morality Debate
27:45 Master Morality and Power
31:58 Young Men and Nietzsche’s Appeal
34:32 Christianity vs Power Structures
38:06 No True Catholicism
42:34 Atheism Without Heroes
47:24 ADA and Mutual Benefit
48:46 Where Is the Thesis
49:37 Crusades and Contradictions
50:36 Nietzsche Illness as Gotcha
54:49 Capitalism and Collective Care
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Atheists, Here's How to Treat Joe Schmid After He Reverted to Catholicism.
2026/08/24
Joe Schmid from @MajestyofReason announced that he has returned to Catholicism. As an agnostic/atheist YouTuber who left catholicism, I’ve been thinking about how people should respond when someone leaves their religious or ideological group.
In this video, I lay out my “Ten Commandments” for responding to someone whose beliefs have changed. Drawing from my own experience leaving Catholicism and coming out, I talk about listening before arguing, taking people’s stated reasons seriously, respecting their autonomy, avoiding tribal “wins” and “losses,” and remembering that a person is always more important than the culture war surrounding them.
I’ll have plenty to say about Joe’s arguments for Catholicism in future videos. But before we debate his reasons, I think atheists, Catholics, and everyone else should remember how to treat the person making the decision.
00:00 Joe Schmid Converts
01:06 1: Keep the Person First
02:57 2: Accept Change
04:43 3: Listen Twice
06:17 4: Define Words
07:43 5: Trust Reasons
09:03 6: Limited Knowledge
10:33 7:Lead With Empathy
11:22 8: Respect Autonomy
12:43 9: Stay Connected
14:47 10: Process Privately
16:04 My Next Video
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Ex-Priest Psychologist: The Hidden Psychology After Coming Out as LGBT
2026/08/19
Coming out is often portrayed as the happy ending—but for many people, it's only the beginning.
In this conversation with former Catholic priest and licensed therapist Danny Peterson, we explore why so many LGBTQ people who come out later in life feel like they're reliving adolescence as adults. We discuss religious trauma, dating, therapy, identity, relationships, extended adolescence, ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy), and what happens after the excitement of coming out fades into ordinary life.
We also talk about why relationships don't magically become easy, why many people search for gurus or simple answers after leaving religion, and how learning to tolerate uncertainty can become one of the healthiest parts of healing.
00:00 From Priest to Therapist
03:55 Extended Adolescence Explained
09:52 Healthy Coming Out Skills
13:13 Values and Red Flags
18:09 Sex vs Relationship First
20:59 Finding Mentors and Community
28:21 The Coming Out Paradox
33:38 ACT and Moving Forward
41:30 Facing Hard Truths
46:42 Ditching Gurus Dogma
53:40 Therapy Expectations Reality
57:41 Allyship Religion Safeguards
01:00:16 Finding A Therapist
01:04:15 Private Practice Wrap Up
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Why Anti-Gay Catholic Arguments Assume Everyone is Bisexual
2026/08/12
In this episode, Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video asking whether "gay priests" are even a real thing. What starts as a discussion about labels quickly turns into a much bigger conversation about sexual orientation, Catholic theology, history, identity, and how the Church talks about same-sex attraction.
We unpack the arguments, examine where we think the reasoning breaks down, and discuss why language matters when talking about real people. Along the way we dive into Pope Francis' comments on seminaries, the 2005 Vatican instruction on admitting men with same-sex attraction to the priesthood, ancient Greek sexuality, bisexuality, orientation, and why analogies don't always prove what people think they prove.
00:00 Pride Month Banter
01:06 Reacting to Brian Holdsworth
03:09 Pope Francis Quote Fallout
05:13 Ancient Rome Was Gay
08:20 Labels and Orientation Debate
13:54 Appetites and Identity Claim
17:49 Catholic Analogy Time
22:17 Cravings vs Human Love
25:04 Appetites Make You Gayer
31:55 Short Term Hookups Critique
35:46 Dehumanizing the Gay Label
38:15 Labels and Identity Sprawl
38:52 Paradox of Tolerance Rant
39:51 Honorary Gender Studies
40:38 Dodging the Priest Question
41:16 Chastity vs Gay Label
42:29 Church Policy Contradictions
44:29 Food and Gluttony Analogy
46:50 Spectrum and Ancient World
51:31 Frauds and Sacraments
55:10 Title Not Description Confusion
57:00 Trad Conspiracy Briefcase
01:00:02 Sponsor Break Real Estate
01:01:15 Why Labels Help Research
01:07:29 Why So Many Gay Priests
01:10:50 Growing Up Without Language
01:15:47 Landing the Plane Conclusion
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Hollywood Cinematographer Debunks "Miracle of the Sun" Photo | Our Lady of Fatima (re: Ethan Muse)
2026/08/11
A Catholic priest (Fr Philippe Dalleur) and youtuber (Ethan Muse) have argued that shadows in photographs taken at Fatima in 1917 provide scientific evidence for extraordinary sources of light in the sky. So I spent more than 100 hours investigating the claim, since my entire job revolves around working with cameras and lighting as a cinematographer.
00:00 - A "Miraculous" Photo?
01:03 - How the Science Should Work
02:32 - What Was Our Lady of Fatima?
03:34 - Series Overview (Skip This)
05:08 - Lenses Loose a Dimension
08:56 - Reason #1: Can't Really Calculate a Lost Dimension
11:27 - How to Actually Calibrate Lenses
14:14 - Reason #2: Vintage Lenses Make It Even Harder
16:17 - The Third Dimension
18:10 - Reason #3: They Didn't Validate Their Methods
19:13 - Reason #4: Shadows Can't Really Be Measured
22:13 - Example Optics of Similar Scene
22:52 - Preview of Part 2: Lies in Development
This is a three part series. Part 1 (this video) covers why lenses make these calculations almost impossible without calibration. Part 2 will cover their terrible development process and post-production deception. And then Part 3 will recreate the lighting effect they're talking about.
Source #1: "Fatima Pictures and Testimonials: in-depth Analysis" published on March 8, 2021in Scientia et Fides (keep in mind, this is not a peer reviewed science journal, they claim it's 'peer reviewed' but the peers are humanities people)
Source #2: "Fatima's Miracle Photo D115 - Sun Height Estimation" published on Sep 24, 2021 on the YouTube channel "BioPhilo" (I confirmed with Ethan that this is Dalleur's channel)
Source #3: "Sun Elevation Evaluation Technique + HUD" published on Aug 10, 2022 on the YouTube channel "BioPhilo"
Source #4: "Our Lady of Fatima" published on Sep 5, 2025 by Ethan Muse on his substack.
Source #5: "It Wasn't the Sun!" published on Oct 10, 2025 by Ethan Muse on his substack.
Source #6: "Catholic vs. Atheist: Was Fatima Miraculous?" of Ethan Muse and James Fodor on Jul 18, 2026 on the "Capturing Christianity" YouTube channel hosted by Cameron Burtuzzi
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Inside the SSPX: Former Member Explains the ENTIRE History and Excommunication of the Society of Saint Pious the X
2026/08/05
The recent SSPX excommunications have left a lot of Catholics—and even journalists—trying to understand what actually happened. In this episode, I sit down with Hunter, a former SSPX traditionalist (and also former sedevacantist seminarian), to unpack the history behind the headlines.
We explain Vatican II, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the founding of the SSPX, the 1988 episcopal consecrations, the creation of the FSSP, and why Pope Leo XIV's decision is different from previous popes. We also discuss how traditionalist movements understand authority, conscience, and obedience, and why this controversy has been building for decades rather than weeks.
00:00 SSPX Excommunication News
00:55 Hunter’s Trad Journey
03:31 What Happened In July in Econe, Switzerland
05:34 Nuclear Excommunication Explained
09:02 Vatican II Basics
12:06 Lefebvre and SSPX Origins
16:12 Spirit of Vatican II Debates
21:33 Key Doctrinal Flashpoints
27:28 Subsistit In Controversy
30:28 1974 Declaration and Breakaway
33:50 1983 Split and Sedevacantists
36:04 Obedience Paradox and Fallout
36:57 Bad Commands vs Doctrine
37:42 Sedevacantists Inside SSPX
41:15 1988 Bishops and Split
44:17 Valid vs Licit Sacraments
46:51 Obedience Paradox and Conscience
57:54 July Consecrations Fallout
01:03:24 Will SSPX Radicalize
01:07:09 Future of Trad Groups
01:09:49 Wrap Up and Thanks
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kimberdancer 2025/11/29
Deconstruction = Disobedience
Submit everything under the authority of Christ, even one’s so-called sexual identity & preferences. The teachings here are NOT aligned with Catholici...
IntuitiveStudent 2025/08/27
Remain Catholic, no longer Roman
Similarly to the wonderful, deeply aware, unconditionally loved by The Mystery that is God I was raised Roman Catholic and came to appreciate, as I mo...
Apchicago7 2025/07/22
Great subject matter
I discovered this pod many years after my own deconstruction. Back in my deconstruction days, I only had pods about people leaving other religions. Wh...
bookwormroni 2025/06/25
love this podcast!!
i am so, so happy that cade started this podcast. we need more gay ex-catholic deconstructionists speaking up about the harms caused by the fundie chu...
nadav נדב 2025/01/01
Great show for Catholic deconstruction!!
Cade always has great guests with great stories, it’s helped me immensely in navigating my deconstruction and understand my world better
yeghty 2025/01/01
Cade speaks from the heart
This is one of my favorite podcasts. Cade does such a great job of including people who have left Trad Catholic and other High Control/Cult religion. ...
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