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What if the Latin Mass isn’t the magic solution everyone online says it is? In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with Kevin Non-Trad, who was literally born into an FSSP Latin Mass community, went to the parish school in the church basement, prayed the rosary in Latin, and watched his childhood classmates quietly drift away from the faith. I come from the opposite direction: a suburban Novus Ordo kid who dove head-first into trad YouTube, daily rosaries, and Latin Mass as the supposed answer to the Church’s crisis—only to leave Catholicism anyway. 00:00 Kevin's Background in the Latin Mass 05:15 Retention Rates and Realities 07:05 Challenges and Critiques of the Traditionalist Movement 18:31 Liturgical Anecdotes 18:58 Why People Convert 21:46 Challenges and Criticisms of Latin Mass 25:06 The Human Connection to Rituals and Music 26:32 The Complexity of Faith and Personal Beliefs To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

I've been working on this case for almost a year now - and I figured I'd give you the ultimate guide to understanding what is evening happening with conversion therapy and the Supreme Court. In this video, I break down the law, the arguments, and what the majority, concurrence, and dissent actually say. More importantly, I explain what the case is really about—because the framing of the question changes everything. 0:00 Background: Framing the Case 6:54 Background: What Colorado Law Says 12:07 Background: Defining Conversion Therapy 20:04 Background: How the Case Got Here 26:37 Background: First Amendment Basics 32:33 Background: How SCOTUS Decisions Work 43:29 Majority: Strict Scrutiny Explained 47:27 Majority: What Therapy Really Is 51:06 Majority: Parsing Colorado Law 54:39 Majority: Speech Versus Conduct 55:17 Majority: Facial V As Applied Challenge 58:34 Majority: Black Swan Analogy 1:02:11 Majority: No Perfect Precedent Fits 1:10:48 Majority: Bad Citations And Categories 1:14:01 Majority: Lawyers Cases Aren't Therapy 1:16:41 Majority: NIFLA Case Breakdown 1:20:24 Majority: Viewpoint Discrimination Claim 1:21:38 Majority: Orientation Versus Behavior 1:24:09 Majority: Religion Not The Issue 1:25:06 Majority: NIFLA 1:28:30 Majority: Professional Speech Limits 1:29:39 Majority: Viewpoint Discrimination Claim 1:36:28 Majority: Speech Versus Conduct 1:38:54 Majority: Informed Consent Analogy 1:45:59 Majority: Licensing Tradition Debate 1:56:51 Majority: Therapy Is Medical Treatment 2:05:16 Majority: Licensing And What’s Still Allowed 2:08:38 Majority: Consent Power Dynamics 2:10:28 Majority: When Actions Are Speech 2:13:57 Majority: Majority Logic Breakdown 2:19:23 Majority: Medical Consensus Hypothetical 2:23:51 Colorado Strategy Failures 2:32:28 Concurrence: Viewpoint Claim 2:36:46 Concurrence: Not A Mirror Image 2:40:54 Dissent: Jackson’s Framework 2:48:19 Dissent: Harms Of Conversion Therapy 2:52:42 Dissent: Why Minors Need Protection 2:52:56 Dissent: Fraud Not Free Speech 2:53:27 Dissent: What The Law Actually Bans 2:54:37 Dissent: Allowed Goals And Counseling 2:55:15 Dissent: Transition And Detransition Clarified 2:56:49 Dissent: Speech Versus Treatment Conduct 2:59:00 Dissent: Case Law And Student Speech 3:02:30 Dissent: NLA Versus Casey Breakdown 3:07:18 Dissent: Words As Medical Treatment 3:11:32 Dissent: Defining Professional Medical Speech 3:15:22 Dissent: Standards Of Care And Viewpoints 3:23:38 Dissent: History Of Licensing And Malpractice 3:32:37 Dissent: Majority Plays With Fire 3:39:04 Dedication And Final Thoughts To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with Griffin to hear one of the most intense and personal stories I’ve encountered about growing up gay in a Christian environment. We talk about what it’s like to be taught that your identity is sinful, the psychological toll of trying to “pray the gay away,” and how systems of shame, guilt, and fear can shape the way you see yourself. Griffin shares his firsthand experience with conversion therapy, including manipulation tactics, missionary school, and even being pressured into shock therapy. We also explore what it looks like to break free from that world, rebuild your identity, and navigate the tension between faith and sexuality—along with how these stories are still impacting people today. 00:00 Strict Megachurch Upbringing 04:01 Realizing He Was Gay 21:46 Hawaii Mission School Brainwashing 28:38 Fear Tactics and Shame 32:05 Ex-Gay TikTok Era 34:36 Coerced Shock Therapy 40:37 Healing and Hope Ahead To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

*Skip to 01:23:00 - if you just want to see the slavery bit* After a few months off podcasting, I came back with one of the wildest conversations I’ve had with a Catholic apologist. This is my third debate with Noah from  ⁨@Jesus.andwhatnot⁩   and we start in a pretty normal place: the historicity of Jesus, what (if anything) we can know from the sources, how reliable the Gospels are, and whether claims like crucifixion and resurrection can be treated like other ancient historical questions. Then the conversation takes a sharp turn into epistemology—faith vs. history, “first principles,” and whether the Catholic Church can be treated as an infallible authority. And yes: there’s a moment where he starts defending slavery, which honestly caught me off guard in real time. If you want the calm historical discussion, it’s here. If you want the “what did I just hear” moment, you’ll definitely find it. Either way, I hope this helps you think more clearly about what counts as evidence, what counts as faith, and how people build worldviews. 00:00 Introduction and Podcast Return 02:43 Debate Setup: Historicity of Jesus 06:04 Exploring the Historical Jesus 18:34 Crucifixion and Resurrection Debate 32:03 Skepticism and Historical Evidence 47:51 The Presupposition of Jesus as God 48:25 Mary's Perpetual Virginity: Historical or Faith Claim? 49:28 Catholicism and Historical Claims 53:43 Epistemology and Circular Reasoning 55:45 First Principles and Trust in the Catholic Church 59:08 Faith vs. Historical Evidence 01:02:46 The Role of the Catholic Church in Morality 01:06:07 Debating the Stability of Worldviews 01:09:31 The Evolution of Catholic Doctrine 01:23:00 - DEFENDING SLAVERY 01:27:11 Closing Statements and Reflections To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

I got to sit down in person with fellow ex-Catholic creator  ⁨@Nontradicath⁩   for a long-awaited crossover: why we’re not Catholic anymore. Kevin shares his journey from being “born into” the traditionalist FSSP world—daily Latin Mass, grace-maxing, Marian devotions—to slowly realizing that so much of what he’d been taught as “history” looks a lot more like legend.  We talk Old Testament authorship, Adam and Eve, gospel reliability, Marian apparitions like Fatima and Guadalupe, and the uncomfortable gap between what Catholic scholars actually say in academic work and what popular apologists tell the pews and YouTube. 00:00 Kevin's Background and Catholic Answers 04:00 Why We're Not Catholic Anymore 07:19 Historical and Biblical Skepticism 09:49 Marian Apparitions and Church History 11:46 Catholic Apologetics 20:10 Community and Catholicism 23:55 Catholic Scholars vs. Apologists 25:42 Frustrations with Apologetics 29:08 Deconstructing Catholic Beliefs 41:36 The Role of Fiction and Stories To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Cade sits down with gay Catholic writer and lawyer Chris Damian to unpack one of the most abused buzzwords in Catholic debates: natural law. They trace how Aristotle, Aquinas, and virtue ethics get flattened into YouTube talking points, why “sex is for babies and bonding” doesn’t actually settle anything, and how natural law gets weaponized against LGBT people, contraception, and queer families while mysteriously ignoring things like smoking and worker exploitation. From Latin Mass culture and “Catholic Inc.” to chastity, conversion therapy, and bad analogies about chairs, cups, and diet soda, Cade and Chris ask: What would natural law look like if we actually cared about human flourishing—especially for queer people—instead of just defending a pre-decided rulebook? 00:00 Natural Law in Catholicism 01:35 Catholic Inc. and Rad Trad Explained 03:31 Natural Law and Sexual Ethics 09:39 Critiques and Complexities of Natural Law 14:17 Marriage and Natural Law 20:25 Natural Law in Practice and Popular Misconceptions 37:58 Christian Natural Law and Intuitive Goods 46:30 The Anorexia Argument and Natural Law 50:56 The Flaws in Catholic Natural Law Arguments 56:14 The One-Way Valve of Catholic Studies 58:10 Adoption and Same-Sex Couples 59:52 The Complexity of Human Flourishing 01:04:06 The Inconsistencies in Catholic Sexual Ethics 01:06:57 The Broader Implications of Natural Law To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

I sit down with Catholic YouTuber  @evan_raugust after a wild weekend where we went to seven churches in one weekend: Messianic Jewish, Catholic, Pentecostal, Orthodox, Anglican, non-denominational megachurch, and a Presbyterian church plant. Evan's full main channel video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHejO1GGbwU&t=651s We unpack how each community tells a different story about God, heaven, and everyday life—Latin Mass vs fog machines, house-church Orthodoxy vs televised sermons, “I felt the Holy Spirit” vs “this still doesn’t make me a believer.” We talk conversion, deconstruction, the pull of beauty and liturgy, and why some churches felt genuinely soulful while others felt like spiritual factories. If you’re curious how an ex-Catholic atheist and a convinced Catholic convert experience the same services in totally different ways, this conversation is for you. 00:00 Weekend Adventure: Visiting Different Churches 01:20 Evan's Religious Background 03:48 Cade's Religious Background 04:49 Collaboration and Video Concept 11:46 Messianic Jewish Church Experience 14:59 Catholic Church Experience 19:00 Pentecostal Prayer Service Experience 20:46 Catholic vs Evangelical Views on End Times 23:18 Orthodox Church Experience 27:17 Non-Denominational Church Visit 31:16 Anglican Evensong Service 33:33 Nova Church: A Presbyterian Experience 38:00 Reflections on Visiting Multiple Churches 42:13 Concluding Thoughts on Religion and Atheism To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

Christian youtube video essays keep claiming that “LGBT ideology” ruined male friendship, but I have no clue what they're on about. As a gay ex-Catholic, I use my old theological training to look at the “and they were just roommates” discourse, the panic over male affection, and the erasure of queer couples from history. I also share my own story of trying to be a devout, rule-following Catholic while secretly gay—and what I discovered about friendship once I left that homophobic bubble. Creators featured in this video:  @theLOOPcast  @TheCounselofTrent  @amenalex  @AscensionPresents  @jasonevert   00:00 Gay People Stole Your Frogs and Toads 06:48 And History Will Call Them Roommates 23:11 Keep The Socks On 36:38 The Real Victims To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

After debating together on the Ellen Fisher Podcast, Elijah Lamb (Gen-Z Christian preacher and well-known TikToker) and I (ex-Catholic, now atheist debater) sat down to unpack Gen-Z Catholicism, Protestant/Catholic/Atheist debate culture, and why certainty theater replaces discipleship. We talk caricatures (“read church history, become Catholic”), denominational hopping, Mary/Eucharist misunderstandings, street-apologetics gotchas, humility vs. victory, and how online arguments are getting more technical—and more honest. What should Catholics, Protestants, and atheists actually do next? 00:00 Rise of Gen Z Catholicism 02:47 Personal Faith Journeys 04:54 Debating Apologetics 07:33 Youth and Theological Exploration 10:26 Navigating Online Religious Debates 30:22 The Role of Apologetics in Faith 34:26 The Futility of Online Religious Debates 36:32 The Impact of Apologetics on Personal Faith 43:31 The Evolution of Christian-Atheist Debates 49:41 Advice for Catholic Apologists and Atheists To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

My infographic about this case: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a6-vYf6qIZ8r9xS3G_dRGTaF6qi-hOVK/view?usp=sharing A new “victim” has entered the culture war stage at the Supreme Court. After the “No Cake” baker and the “No Website” designer, meet “No Therapy” Kaley— a Christian counselor recruited by well-funded right-wing legal groups to challenge Colorado’s bipartisan ban on conversion therapy for minors. In this episode, I break down the Salazar case, the PR tactics behind it, and the dangerous history of conversion therapy. We’ll look at how billionaires bankroll fake plaintiffs, how discredited psychologists invented “reparative therapy,” and why banning conversion therapy is actually a win for both kids and conservative faith communities. 00:00 Background on Conversion Therapy Laws 01:46 Manufacturing a Victim 03:33 The Case of Kaley Chiles 04:52 Public Narrative and Legal Arguments 09:53 The History and Pseudoscience of Conversion Therapy 16:00 Impact on Religious Communities 23:02 Conclusion and Personal Reflections To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

On this episode of The Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with SC Neely—therapist, author of 30+ books, and specialist in religious trauma and queer/trans identity. We explore the real signs of religious trauma, how it overlaps with complex PTSD, and the unique challenges queer people face when deconstructing from high-control religious environments. We cover the roadmap from questioning to deconstruction to rebuilding identity, how trauma shows up in the body, why labels can feel overwhelming, and practical steps for reclaiming identity, sexuality, and community outside of religion. If you’ve ever wondered whether your religious past still affects your identity today, this conversation will give you clarity, compassion, and tools for healing. 00:00 Understanding Religious Trauma 08:28 Navigating Identity After Leaving Religion 29:15 Practical Steps for Rebuilding Life Post-Religion 41:47 Recognizing Self-Sabotage from Religious Trauma 46:47 Dealing with Feeling Behind in Life 51:01 Managing Anger After Leaving Religion 54:54 Exploring Queer Spaces and Identities 01:10:49 The Lifelong Journey of Healing from Trauma To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

In this episode, I share my raw and personal journey through Catholicism—from being raised in a suburban Catholic family to becoming an intense religious fundamentalist who nearly entered a monastery. I explain what it was like to give every waking moment to prayer, theology, and the dream of becoming a monk, only to have my life upended when I was rejected for being gay. What followed was a painful process of leaving not just Catholicism, but religion itself. I open up about the collapse of my community, meaning, and identity—and how I rebuilt my life through running ultramarathons, reconnecting with purpose, and creating content to help others on their journey. This isn’t an argument against belief; it’s a memoir of faith, loss, discovery, and resilience. Whether you’re religious, questioning, or completely secular, I hope my story resonates with you. 00:00 My Religious Beginnings 02:37 Religious Awakening 05:29 Deepening Faith 11:42 Embracing Fundamentalism and the Latin Mass 15:36 COVID Lockdowns and Monastic Aspirations 19:18 Rejection and College Life 22:04 Life Decisions 30:16 Questioning Catholic Teachings 32:46 Departing Catholicism 35:08 Struggles with Identity 38:07 Finding New Meaning 41:40 Embracing a New Life 46:55 Reflections on Religion and Personal Growth 53:19 Living Authentically To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

What happens when you attend a traditional Latin Catholic Mass in the morning and a drag brunch in the afternoon? Surprisingly, these seemingly opposite worlds share more than you’d expect. In this episode, we unpack seven parallels between Catholic liturgy and drag performance—from ritual and belonging to performance, morality, and meaning. For us, this isn’t about mockery. It’s about understanding how humans create community, how rituals give us identity, and how art—whether sacred chant or drag lip-sync—can lift us beyond ourselves. 00:00 Weekend Adventures: Latin Mass and Drag Brunch 01:03 Understanding Drag Brunch 02:12 Commonalities Between Latin Mass and Drag Brunch 02:35 Personal Backgrounds and Reflections 03:55 Seven Commonalities: An Overview 04:31 Disclaimers and Respectful Comparisons 07:06 Social Conformity in Rituals 15:02 Navigating Social Scripts 20:38 Reinforcing Community and Morality 31:30 Entertainment and Performance 32:34 Choosing Preferences in Drag and Religion 33:18 Community and Performance in Mass and Drag 34:00 Diversity and Aesthetic Preferences 36:31 Social Investment in Rituals 40:31 Shedding the Self in Group Activities 47:33 The Role of History and Trauma 56:32 Intentional Community Building 01:00:19 Finding Your Community To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Evelyn from  @leavelaughlove   joins me to tackle one of the hardest questions we get asked: how do you talk to loved ones who are falling into fundamentalist Catholicism? We unpack: Why people get drawn into high-control religious groups How to maintain healthy boundaries without burning bridges Why “debating” rarely changes minds Compassionate approaches that keep relationships intact When it’s okay to let go Whether it’s your child, spouse, parent, or friend, this conversation offers realistic and empathetic strategies for navigating these difficult dynamics. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:23 Today's Topic: Relating to Fundamentalist Catholics 01:06 Personal Experiences with Fundamentalism 01:49 Understanding the Rabbit Hole 02:57 Starting the Conversation 06:07 The Importance of Boundaries 09:49 Maintaining Relationships with Compassion 13:08 Navigating Conversations and Debates 21:22 The Role of Community in Fundamentalism 23:55 Setting Clear Boundaries 31:17 Respecting Individual Journeys 37:45 Navigating Conflicting Emotions 38:48 Maintaining Relationships Despite Differences 40:26 Understanding High-Control Religious Beliefs 44:22 Advice for Parents of Religious Teens 56:43 The Deconstruction Process 01:04:32 Setting Boundaries and Finding Supportive Relationships 01:13:13 Final Thoughts and Viewer Engagement To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Isabelle, who grew up immersed in traditional Catholicism—daily rosaries, novenas, and all. Over time, she shifted toward progressive Catholicism before beginning a slow and painful unraveling of belief. We talk about mental health, OCD masked as virtue, the reality of Catholic marriage and NFP, gender and sexuality, and the psychological manipulation baked into so many teachings. Isabelle shares how motherhood, philosophy, and her relationship with her non-Catholic husband helped her reclaim agency and begin truly living. It’s raw, real, and deeply moving. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Background 00:21 Early Catholic Upbringing 01:08 Struggles with Faith and Mental Health 01:57 Deconstruction Journey Begins 04:42 Neurodivergence and Religion 13:18 College Years and Evolving Beliefs 19:11 Marriage and Catholic Rules 25:16 Challenges with Natural Family Planning 32:32 Realizing the Harm of Church Teachings 33:59 Questioning God's Behavior 35:12 Struggles with Church Teachings on Parenting 36:32 Self-Doubt and Leaving the Church 43:58 The Impact of NFP and Personal Choices 45:45 The Tipping Point: Intersex Identities 48:46 Final Steps Away from the Church 49:42 Life After Leaving the Church 52:21 Reflections and Final Thoughts To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.