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2025/04/16
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Fighting fascism and the far-right in combat sports like MMA and BJJ.

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📣 The Red States Screamed for Help
2026/11/06
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan from BJJ Mental Models and Jesse Walker of Rough Hands BJJ in Louisville, Kentucky talk through an election night where Texas and Kansas went blue and Mississippi looks set to follow. They make the case that this was red states screaming for help and demanding accountability, and that Democrats may not get another chance like this if they waste it. ⸻ 👥 Featuring: • Steve Kwan — https://bjjmentalmodels.com • Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: • Red states that went blue on election night • Why the results were too big to rig • Vivek Ramaswamy's ad against Amy Acton • Schumer, Jeffries and Democratic leadership • Accountability without vengeance • What Democrats now have to deliver • Supreme Court and Electoral College reform ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — A blue wave across red states 05:18 — How Democrats won red seats 08:45 — The results were too big to rig 10:47 — The Republican bench for 2028 13:05 — Ramaswamy's Amy Acton attack ad 15:08 — Trump's reaction to the loss 18:23 — Corruption finally broke through 20:53 — Jeffries, Massie and impeachment 25:57 — Accountability without vengeance 30:19 — How gas prices woke people up 32:23 — Texas limits on the new governor 34:39 — The cartoon version of Democrats 36:27 — Why Democrats have to deliver 41:44 — The coming Republican civil war 45:58 — State charges and no pardons 47:01 — Reforming the Supreme Court 49:43 — The popular vote state compact 52:21 — Nazi tattoos in the BJJ community 54:38 — Accountability down the chain
We're begging you, PLEASE VOTE 🇺🇸
2026/10/29
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Jesse Walker and Mike Mahaffey make a get-out-the-vote plea ahead of the November 3 midterms. They talk about Michigan's Senate race between Abdul El-Sayed and Mike Rogers, why corruption and the cost of living are moving voters in red districts, and why more people care about civics than they did ten years ago. Then they ask you to vote, and to stay involved after Election Day whichever way it goes. ⸻ 🔗 Links Mentioned: • America Dissected podcast — https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/america-dissected/id1480634141 • Fighting Matters: Martial Artists Should Get Political, with Joshua Peters — https://youtu.be/jKDl3K0FmSo ⸻ 👥 Featuring: • Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com • Mike Mahaffey — https://magicbjj.com ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: • Voting early by absentee ballot • Abdul El-Sayed vs. Mike Rogers in Michigan • El-Sayed's town hall response • Corruption and the cost of living • Polling in red districts and states • The renewed interest in civics • Running for local office ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — Jesse and Mike on voting early 01:31 — El-Sayed vs. Rogers in Michigan 03:53 — El-Sayed's town hall response 06:56 — What the national polls show 08:33 — Corruption and the cost of living 12:03 — Red districts getting closer 14:30 — Research your ballot and vote 16:43 — Jesse on undecided GOP voters 19:13 — A renewed interest in civics 21:53 — Absentee ballots and drop boxes 22:48 — Running for office, canvassing 24:30 — A lottery for the presidency 25:22 — What comes after Election Day 27:02 — A possible election night special
The USA is trying to own Alberta
2026/10/17
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan and Stephan Kesting make a public service announcement ahead of Alberta's October 19 referendum on whether to start the process of separating from Canada. They lay out how US officials and MAGA influencers have openly courted Alberta separatists, what leaving Canada would cost Albertans, and why people staying home is how Brexit happened. They also get into BC's snap election, with voting info for both provinces below. ⸻ 🔗 Links Mentioned: - Alberta referendum questions (vote October 19) — https://www.elections.ab.ca/elections/referendum/ - Where to vote in Alberta — https://www.elections.ab.ca/current-election-information/where-do-i-vote/ - Elections BC (advance voting October 16 to 21, final voting day October 24) — https://elections.bc.ca - Decision Making and National Unity Under Threat (DisinfoWatch report on US and Russian interference in Alberta) — https://disinfowatch.org/foreign-interference-targeting-canada-and-alberta/ ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Steve Kwan — https://bjjmentalmodels.com - Stephan Kesting — https://grapplearts.com ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - Alberta's October 19 separation referendum - US officials courting Alberta separatists - Brexit and the risk of staying home - What separation would cost Alberta - Trump's promises and his record - Martial artists who say they're above politics - BC's snap election and the BC Conservatives ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — Two Canadians, freshly vaccinated 00:42 — Alberta's October 19 referendum 02:14 — Bessent, Bannon, and Alberta oil 06:02 — Separatists meeting US officials 07:08 — Russia and the Arctic routes 09:07 — Brexit and the turnout problem 14:02 — Norway's sovereign wealth fund 15:36 — What separation would cost Alberta 18:44 — Danielle Smith and Donald Trump 20:09 — Trump's promises and his record 24:53 — US military threats to Canada 26:26 — "Above politics" in martial arts 30:00 — The BC election and Conservatives 33:37 — Voting dates in Alberta and BC
One Distraction After Another
2026/10/15
On this episode of the Fighting Matters Podcast, Stephan Kesting, Jesse Walker, Jeff Shaw, and Steve Kwan examine how the recent insane actions of Donald Trump represent the normalization of extreme behavior in society and politics.  What sort of example does it set when political leaders behave in a way detached from morality and accountability?  We also look at the role of martial arts teachers for modeling and teaching core values ------- Featuring Stephan Kesting, https://www.grapplearts.com Jesse Walker, https://roughhandsbjj.com Jeff Shaw, https://bellinghambjj.com Steve Kwan, https://bjjmentalmodels.com ------- Chapters 00:00 Crazy things Trump has done in the last 3 days 04:02 The normalization of outlandish behavior in society 08:13 The role of accountability and integrity in leadership 10:01 Impact of political chaos on international trust 16:02 The potential for political change and the midterm elections 17:54 The danger of normalized lies and misinformation 20:00 The political expediency of leaders and their actions 21:55 The significance of voting and civic engagement 24:05 The broader mechanistic agenda behind political distractions 28:05 The influence of societal role models and behavior modeling 32:00 The silence and apathy in communities and martial arts 34:00 The normalization of hate speech and misinformation 36:08 The failure of leaders to acknowledge mistakes 37:52 The impact of political chaos on international relations 40:09 The importance of moral integrity in leadership 43:59 The role of martial arts in teaching core values 46:12 The erosion of trust and its global consequences 50:01 The influence of wealth and power on accountability 51:54 The importance of international cooperation and trust 56:02 The decline of American influence and trust worldwide 01:00:07 Closing thoughts and call to civic action
The Acceleration of Martial Arts Fascism
2026/09/27
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan and Mike Mahaffey connect a month of far-right imagery in combat sports: Nazi salutes and a swastika flag at a kickboxing event in Orlando, an ADCC finalist with a history of posting Nazi salutes, and a Tatami gi pulled over SS-style lightning bolts. They argue this keeps happening because the sport keeps making excuses for it, and that fans can change that by being deliberate about who gets their money. ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Steve Kwan — https://bjjmentalmodels.com - Mike Mahaffey — https://instagram.com/oldbastardbjj ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - Nazi salutes at a Paul Miller kickboxing fight - Josh Saunders' ADCC final loss to Victor Hugo - Tatami's Autsiders gi and its SS-style bolts - Turning Point USA on the UFC BJJ mat - Fuji BJJ's event conduct policy - Voting with your dollars in jiu-jitsu - Buying local in a K-shaped economy ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — A month of hate in fight sports 04:10 — Paul Miller's kickboxing salute 06:37 — Josh Saunders in the ADCC final 08:26 — Tatami's Autsiders gi controversy 14:46 — Josh Saunders' coaching business 17:29 — Voting with your wallet in BJJ 20:14 — Sports have always been political 23:02 — Turning Point USA on UFC BJJ mats 27:39 — Fuji BJJ's event conduct policy 34:53 — How the far right gets normalized 37:47 — Finding ethical jiu-jitsu coaches 40:10 — Far-right versus far-left threats 42:14 — The mood on the ground in the US 45:45 — Fascism and incompetent loyalists 50:39 — Local spending, K-shaped economy
Canada Fuels American Growth
2026/09/04
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan and Stephan Kesting talk through the Canada-US trade war from the Canadian side of the border. They explain why this was never about tariffs, and why Americans are not hearing how much of their own economy runs on Canadian lumber, oil, electricity, and potash, the base ingredient in most fertilizer. Canadian boycotts have already done damage that dropping the tariffs will not undo. ⸻ 🔗 Links Mentioned: - FULL SPEECH | Carney explains why Canada suspended trade talks with U.S. — CBC News — https://youtu.be/l-WgOxbWUHk ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Steve Kwan — https://bjjmentalmodels.com - Stephan Kesting — https://grapplearts.com ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - What the US demanded in the talks - French labeling and Canadian culture - 51st state rhetoric and sovereignty - Alberta separatism as a wedge - Potash, lumber, and US dependence - The odds of a hot war with Canada - Boycotts as the real pressure ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — Two Canadians on the trade war 01:15 — The Welland Canal fake story 03:26 — What American media leaves out 05:49 — This started in January 2025 08:32 — The real reason talks collapsed 10:16 — Quebec and the French language 16:23 — Trump signed the USMCA himself 19:12 — Trust that takes decades to fix 25:10 — Hostile posts are policy now 29:50 — Could this become a shooting war 31:46 — Why Canada can hurt America 35:55 — Potash, lumber, and toilet paper 39:45 — Loyalty picked over competence 47:02 — Where are the American protests 51:33 — Boycotts and voting with dollars 55:10 — A Canadian insurgency and NATO
Tariffs and Jiu-Jitsu Economics
2026/08/28
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Jeff Shaw and Jesse Walker are joined by Jose Fernandez, a health economist and purple belt who chairs the economics department at the University of Louisville. He explains who pays for tariffs, why 70% of the world's gis coming out of one country matters for your gear budget, and what gym owners should do about prices and leases while their students are getting squeezed. ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Jeff Shaw — https://bellinghambjj.com - Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com - Jose Fernandez — https://louisville.edu/faculty/jmfern02 ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - The tight labor market and consumer sentiment - Gym pricing, leases, and rate freezes - Politics in the gym and local elections - Tariffs on gis and rash guards - The AI bubble and robot labor - The federal debt and taxing the rich - Insurance paperwork and doctor hours ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00:00 — Introducing Jose Fernandez 00:03:57 — The indicators and the debt 00:06:47 — White belt signups slow down 00:08:51 — Leases, rent, and expansion 00:11:48 — Why you shouldn't cut prices 00:13:38 — Family discounts and freezes 00:19:05 — Politics in the jiu-jitsu gym 00:20:29 — Vote in your local elections 00:25:09 — Who pays the tariff on your gi 00:28:23 — Trade deals without tariffs 00:32:31 — Why the stock market climbs 00:38:00 — Robots replacing human labor 00:47:54 — AI, drones, and modern warfare 00:54:12 — Cheap gas and the oil reserves 01:00:03 — The debt and the sacred cows 01:11:24 — Insurers waste doctor hours
We Gotta Talk About These UFC BJJ Sponsors
2026/08/21
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan and Stephan Kesting pull up a screenshot of the UFC BJJ 10 mat and read the sponsors out loud: the Air National Guard, the AI drone company Anduril, and Turning Point USA. Dana White has spent years insisting the UFC is not political, and you can read the rebuttal off his own mat. They argue the money is there to launder reputations and buy the silence of athletes who do not have many other options. ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Steve Kwan — https://bjjmentalmodels.com - Stephan Kesting — https://grapplearts.com ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - The sponsors on the UFC BJJ 10 mat - Anduril and Turning Point USA - Dana White on the UFC not being political - Exclusionary UFC BJJ contracts and ADCC - UFC BJJ viewership and visibility - What UFC BJJ athletes get paid - The chilling effect on athletes who speak out ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — Stephan's Arctic expedition 02:21 — Dana White on being political 03:15 — The YAMMA bowl cage, revisited 04:24 — Reading the sponsors on the mat 05:33 — Anduril, the AI drone company 10:09 — Turning Point USA on the mat 16:28 — Could the left buy the same ad? 21:13 — The capture and kill strategy 24:00 — UFC BJJ's viewership problem 28:15 — Owning all of combat sports 32:09 — What UFC BJJ athletes get paid 43:41 — The Sartre quote on fascists 34:45 — The chilling effect on athletes 51:20 — What people can do about it
How COVID Broke the Martial Arts Community
2026/08/12
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Jesse Walker and Stephan Kesting (just back from thirty days in the Arctic wilderness) are joined by Dr. Clayton Green, a board certified dermatologist with a PhD in microbiology who worked face to face with patients through the whole pandemic. Clayton and Stephan take apart the conspiracies the pandemic left behind (nanobot tracking chips, the lab leak, RFK Jr.'s claims about Lyme disease) and explain why frightened people reached for them in the first place. Jesse's question runs underneath the whole thing: how did a community built on evidence-based martial arts end up rejecting evidence-based medicine? ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com - Stephan Kesting — https://grapplearts.com - Dr. Clayton Green ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - The Big Pharma payment myth, debunked - Fear, certainty, and bad decisions - Fauci as the scapegoat - Changing the guidance was correct - Grapplers rejecting evidence-based medicine - Ivermectin and the grifters targeting grapplers - The genetics that rule out a lab leak - Algorithms and radicalized coaches - Your phone tracks you better than any chip ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00:00 — Introducing Dr. Clayton Green, dermatologist 00:01:53 — The Big Pharma payment myth, fully debunked 00:03:57 — Six years on, still no reckoning for COVID 00:05:49 — Fauci as the scapegoat for a whole government 00:08:07 — Fear and anger drive people to false certainty 00:10:12 — The early mask messaging that cost public trust 00:18:11 — Saving the mask supply for hospitals was right 00:23:01 — The vaccine claims held true until Omicron hit 00:26:51 — Reaching for ivermectin over actual medicine 00:29:13 — Operation Warp Speed, the win nobody will claim 00:31:42 — Grapplers rejected evidence-based medicine 00:37:02 — Pleading the fifth to dodge a perjury trap 00:41:45 — Genetic fingerprints rule out a lab leak 00:45:35 — Social media moderation and anti-Asian backlash 00:50:34 — YouTube radicalized Stephan's old instructors 00:53:35 — Debunking nanobot chips, 5G, and snake oil 01:00:37 — RFK Jr. is wrong about Lyme disease origins 01:03:06 — The AIDS-virus sequence myth, taken apart 01:05:17 — Whether we can get the public trust back
Andrew Tate and the zero-consequences era
2026/07/25
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Jesse Walker and Mike Mahaffey catch up on a run of recent news where powerful people did awful things and faced no real consequences: Andrew Tate arrested on 42 charges he may never answer for, ICE killings at traffic stops with the FBI reportedly stepping back, an FDA food-safety scare that ended in an apology to a Trump donor, and a Kentucky senator who has vanished while still collecting his seat. What ties it together is a question that hits close to home for two jiu-jitsu coaches: what happens to a country, or a gym, when people only look out for themselves? ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com - Mike Mahaffey — https://instagram.com/oldbastardbjj ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - Andrew Tate's arrest in Florida and the 42 charges waiting for him in the UK - Why the manosphere and the administration still hold him up as a model of masculinity - Two ICE killings at traffic stops, deaths in detention, and who answers for them - Voting your pocketbook, and what a community loses when people only care once it hits them - Class versus culture: who is actually making your life harder - The "diarrhea lettuce" scandal and the FDA's apology to a major Trump donor - Mitch McConnell's disappearance, Kentucky's empty seat, and the octogenarian problem - Team-first versus me-first, in politics and in jiu-jitsu ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00:00 — Judo at an advanced age and teaching EMS crews to fall 00:02:40 — Andrew Tate arrested, 42 charges, and the purple blouse 00:11:44 — Two ICE killings and the accountability that isn't coming 00:21:03 — Detention deaths and what you'd do if they came for you 00:25:00 — Coaches cheering this on while their communities suffer 00:28:44 — Why people only wake up when it hits their wallet 00:32:06 — Phone banking and the voter just trying to survive 00:37:11 — Nobody survives alone, and who's really to blame 00:40:04 — Diarrhea lettuce and the FDA's apology to a donor 00:44:03 — The jiu-jitsu parallel: team-first beats the selfish island 00:47:31 — Where is Mitch McConnell, and the octogenarian problem 01:00:08 — Photobombing Master Worlds and signing off
The Graham Platner Problem
2026/07/08
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan is joined by Jesse Walker of Rough Hands BJJ to talk about Graham Platner, the Maine Senate candidate whose campaign has come apart under a run of scandals: a Nazi-associated tattoo, credible sexual assault allegations, and more. They use his collapse to get at a harder question that runs through both politics and jiu-jitsu: why we keep excusing disqualifying behavior from people we want to believe in, and what it costs us when we do. ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Steve Kwan — https://bjjmentalmodels.com - Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - Who Graham Platner is and how his campaign fell apart - The Totenkopf tattoo and the "I didn't know what it meant" defense - AIPAC, the rise of antisemitism, and where criticism of Israel ends and conspiracy begins - Why we keep handing passes to people with disqualifying histories - "Due process trolls" and why a courtroom standard isn't the bar for who we associate with - How tolerating bad behavior normalizes it, and the Trump parallel - The same rot in jiu-jitsu: protecting bad actors because they win or teach well - Term limits, aging politicians, and elevating grassroots talent over big names ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — Why Fighting Matters isn't a left-wing podcast 01:11 — Who is Graham Platner? 03:24 — The Totenkopf tattoo and the "I didn't know" defense 05:23 — A campaign in freefall 09:15 — AIPAC, antisemitism, and drawing the line 14:11 — Nazi tattoos are disqualifying, even accidental ones 16:38 — Two sets of rules and the Fetterman problem 20:00 — Purity tests vs. keeping your moral compass 24:10 — The jiu-jitsu parallel: bad teammates and PEDs 25:54 — Due process trolls 32:02 — Mamdani and elevating outsider talent 44:34 — Supporting bad actors in jiu-jitsu (Josh Saunders) 49:24 — Being good at jiu-jitsu is not a competitive edge 53:29 — Geriatric politicians and term limits 59:07 — Wrapping up: accountability in practice
The 250th, ADCC, and Izaak Michell
2026/07/03
In this episode of the Fighting Matters podcast, Steve Kwan is joined by Jesse Walker of Rough Hands BJJ and Mike Mahaffey of Old Bastard BJJ on the eve of America's 250th Fourth of July. They open with whether there's anything left to celebrate and end up somewhere harder: the same instinct to look away that got the country here is alive in jiu-jitsu too. The clearest example is Izaak Michell, invited to ADCC while wanted in Texas on sexual assault warrants, and the string of accused and convicted men the sport keeps platforming anyway. 🔗 Links Mentioned: - The Find Out Podcast, "Ex-MAGA influencer explains why he abandoned Trump" — https://youtu.be/ylPlpgQygdU - Magic BJJ — https://magicbjj.com ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Steve Kwan — https://bjjmentalmodels.com - Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com - Mike Mahaffey — https://instagram.com/oldbastardbjj ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - America's 250th and the state of the July 4th "celebration" - Rebuilding the country instead of defending the old institutions - The normalization that links national politics to jiu-jitsu - Izaak Michell, his ADCC invite, and the Texas arrest warrants - Josh Saunders, Nazi salutes, and the "keep it non-political" excuse - Why "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't settle the ethics - How the sport risks going radioactive the way MMA once did - Redemption tours, silence, and what speaking up actually does ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — Big heads, Ace of Bass, and July 4th 02:40 — America's 250th: did the country even make it? 06:33 — Rebuilding the country, not restoring it 10:29 — Mask-off politics, the courts, and the truth 18:23 — How a MAGA influencer's fever broke 20:36 — Holding your nose, in politics and on the mats 24:10 — Who is Izaak Michell, and why ADCC invited him 30:01 — Josh Saunders and "keep it non-political" 35:34 — "Innocent until proven guilty" isn't a free pass 40:15 — What happened to MMA could happen to jiu-jitsu 44:47 — What will you tell your grandkids? 49:19 — No clean leagues left for ethical athletes 51:44 — The redemption tour: Tyson, McGregor, and ADCC 53:07 — What we can actually do about it 56:50 — Closing thoughts and where to find everyone
The Conor McGregor comeback is gross
2026/06/27
In this episode of Fighting Matters, co-hosts Jesse Walker and Mike Mahaffey take on Conor McGregor's UFC comeback and the media tour selling it: a man found civilly liable for sexual assault, platformed on Jimmy Fallon like none of it happened, with no apology and no amends. They get into what redemption actually requires, why comedians stopped holding power to account, and the jiu-jitsu community's own habit of looking the other way when the person on the podium has hurt people. ⸻ 🔗 Links Mentioned: - Old Bastard BJJ on Patreon — https://patreon.com/oldbastardbjj - Old Bastard BJJ on Instagram — https://instagram.com/oldbastardbjj ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com - Mike Mahaffey — https://magicbjj.com ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - Conor McGregor's UFC comeback and the media tour behind it - Why the media keeps platforming people who have caused harm - What real redemption requires, and why owning the harm is the price of it - Whether some actions put someone past the point of a comeback - How late-night hosts and comedians stopped holding power to account - What your attention and your money actually endorse - The jiu-jitsu community's habit of platforming people it shouldn't ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — Welcome and teeing up the topic 01:16 — McGregor's comeback, and how he got here 04:47 — Turning MMA trash talk up to eleven 08:25 — Pro wrestling, except the harm is real 10:27 — The fall and the Hollywood comeback 13:23 — Does anyone deserve a comeback? 15:27 — Redemption means owning the harm 20:43 — What Mike learned in vocational rehab 26:12 — Our court jesters are failing us 32:36 — When "comedy is back" means punching down 36:37 — No redemption, and whose pocket you fill 47:33 — The IBJJF problem, and being a thoughtful consumer 55:38 — Where to find Jesse and Mike
An honest UFC Freedom 250 critique
2026/06/19
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan is joined by Jesse Walker of Rough Hands BJJ to talk about the fallout from UFC Freedom 250, the fight card staged on the White House lawn for America's 250th anniversary. Neither of them watched it, because the fights were never the issue. They get into the corruption, the crypto payouts, the comment aimed at Michelle Obama, and why "keeping politics out of fighting" was never a real argument once the President turned the country's 250th birthday into his own fight night. ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Steve Kwan — https://bjjmentalmodels.com - Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - Why UFC Freedom 250 was a problem even if the fights were good - The difference between promoting a sport and running a propaganda event - Crypto payouts and the "company store" comparison - The comment aimed at Michelle Obama, and why it was deliberate - Free speech absolutism as a dodge - The alleged Daniel Cormier and Eric Trump text exchange about fixed fights - The paradox of tolerance and why you can't platform extremists - What the UFC would have to do to win fans like Steve and Jesse back ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — What UFC Freedom 250 actually was 05:05 — A for-profit event on the people's lawn 09:10 — Defending the UFC as legitimate sport 14:48 — Propaganda, grift, and crypto payouts 16:40 — The Obama basketball tournament test 22:29 — Was it worth it for the UFC? 27:05 — MMA is an immigrant story 31:05 — The Michelle Obama comment was deliberate 41:26 — Free speech absolutism as moral cowardice 45:52 — The alleged Cormier and Eric Trump texts 51:54 — You can't break bread with extremists 59:33 — What would fix the UFC? 01:07:56 — Where to find Jesse Walker
The UFC Freedom 250 debacle
2026/06/12
In this episode of Fighting Matters, Jeff Shaw is joined by Jesse Walker, Mike Mahaffey, and Stephan Kesting to take apart UFC Freedom 250, the card being staged on the White House South Lawn on June 14th. Four martial artists who spent decades loving this sport walk through why an event at the people's house, held on the president's birthday and billed as a celebration of America's 250th, leaves them cold. They get into the spectacle, the money, the sportswashing angle, and the version of this card that could have meant something. ⸻ 🔗 Links Mentioned: - Old Bastard BJJ Pride Month Fundraiser — https://patreon.com/oldbastardbjj - Salus Center — https://www.saluscenter.org - Growing Veterans — https://growingveterans.org ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Jeff Shaw — https://bellinghambjj.com - Jesse Walker — https://roughhandsbjj.com - Mike Mahaffey — https://instagram.com/oldbastardbjj - Stephan Kesting — https://grapplearts.com ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - Why a UFC card at the White House reads as fascist spectacle - The June 14th birthday timing and the "America 250" cover story - The "keep politics out of sports" double standard - Empty seats, military tickets, and who foots the bill - Cage fights as diplomacy, and what sportswashing really is - Theodore Roosevelt, immigration, and the event this could have been - What MMA lost when it stopped being outsider art ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — Introducing the panel 02:40 — Fascism, spectacle, and macho posturing 04:30 — A birthday dressed as an anniversary 07:05 — Theater and a regime that believes in nothing 10:16 — Dead enthusiasm and a tourism slump 14:09 — Empty seats, military tickets, and June heat 16:32 — Rogan ringside and bread and circuses 18:53 — Who pays, and who gets held accountable 25:41 — But Roosevelt did it too 30:06 — Cage fights as diplomacy and sportswashing 34:53 — How you'd do it right, and why they can't 40:13 — Can this work at the White House at all? 46:18 — Outsider art and what's been lost

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Slingmeister 2026/03/21
Absolutely love your show!!!
I’ve been looking for a community of martial artists who lean progressive. I’m a 59 year old getting back into taekwondo after being out of martial a...
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Biglou502 2025/07/31
More of this!
This is the energy we need more of in this community!
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BJJ lawyer 2025/06/08
Thank you!
Thank you so much for putting this out there! We need more of this in the BJJ community, we are not all on the Rogan to fascist pipeline.
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Judokris 2025/05/14
Wonderful podcast
Glad to see there are sane bjj people out there and it’s not just me listening to right wingers in the change room
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Dmillls 2025/05/05
Important
These hosts are hearing from all sides, asking questions, and doing research, for real! A thoughtful, if at times impassioned, set of messages.
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