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We Need to Talk About Chocolate

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This podcast has
52 episodes
Language
English
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Date created
2025/05/15
Latest episode
2026/10/09
Average duration
45 min.
Release period
11 days

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Welcome to We Need to Talk About Chocolate, the podcast where we unwrap the rich, sticky, and sometimes bittersweet history of the world’s most beloved treat. From the sacred rituals of the Mayans and Aztecs, to the shelves of modern supermarkets, chocolate has always been more than just mere confection. It’s a symbol, a currency, a craving, and a billion-dollar industry with a not-so-sweet side. I’m Ed Easton - writer, journalist, and lifelong chocoholic - and I’m joined by a man who truly lives chocolate: Andrew Nason is the visionary behind Melt Chocolates. He’s a master chocolatier, a flavour obsessive, and someone who can tell his Forastero from his Criollo with just one sniff. Together, we’ll be digging deep. Tracing the rise of cacao from sacred bean to global obsession. discovering how chocolate has shaped and been shaped by the world around us.  Brought to you by MELT Chocolates! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Did M&M's Change American Chocolate Forever?
2026/10/09
How did Forrest Mars fight his way back into the family business and turn Mars into one of the most powerful companies in the world? In Part Two of the Mars story, Ed Easton and Andrew Nason are joined again by Melt’s chocolate researcher, Kitty Nason to uncover the extraordinary battle for control of the Mars chocolate empire. After the death of Frank Mars, the company didn’t simply pass to his son. Instead, Forrest found himself fighting family members, executives and competing interests for control of the business that carried his name. We follow the family power struggle that eventually pushed Forrest towards one of his most important creations: M&M’s. After approaching Hershey executive William Murrie, Forrest formed a new company, secured access to rationed chocolate during the Second World War and supplied M&M’s to the US military. The success would ultimately give him the financial power he needed to pursue control of Mars. But taking over was only the beginning. We explore Forrest’s obsessive approach to quality, his ruthless management style, the transformation of Mars into a global operation, and the extraordinary family dynamics that continued into the next generation. Even retirement couldn’t stop him: after handing Mars over to his son, he went on to establish another successful chocolate company named after his mother, Ethel M. From Mars Bars and M&M’s to pet food and Uncle Ben’s, this is the story of the ambition, rivalry and family conflict behind one of the most recognisable food companies on Earth. Follow The Chocolate Podcast for more episodes uncovering the history, science and people behind chocolate. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The Weird Link Between Dog Food and Mars Bars
2026/09/15
How did Mars go from a failed family candy business to the beginnings of one of the biggest chocolate companies in the world? In this episode of The Chocolate Podcast, Ed Easton and Andrew Nason are joined by Melt’s Kitty to uncover the extraordinary story of Frank Mars and Forrest Mars, the father and son behind the Mars chocolate empire. From making candy at home and failed early businesses to a family feud that would transform the chocolate industry, the story of Mars is far stranger than you might expect. We trace the creation of the Milky Way and Mars Bar, discover why the American Milky Way is completely different from the British one, and follow Forrest Mars from a Chicago prison to Yale, Swiss chocolate factories, Cadbury and, eventually, Slough, where he began building his own chocolate empire. Along the way, we explore the birth of the modern candy bar, the industrialisation of chocolate, Mars's surprising move into pet food, and the bitter relationship between Frank and Forrest that ultimately left Forrest frozen out of the family company after his father's death. And that's only the first half of the story. Next episode: What happens when Forrest Mars returns to America determined to take control of the company that bears his name? Follow The Chocolate Podcast for more stories exploring the history, science and people behind chocolate. Topics: Mars chocolate history, Mars Bar history, Milky Way chocolate, Forrest Mars, Frank Mars, history of chocolate, chocolate industry, candy bar history, Mars Incorporated, British chocolate history. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The Villain of El Dorado | Lope de Aguirre
2026/08/25
In this episode of The Chocolate Podcast, Andrew & Ed Easton roleplay and discuss the life of Lope de Aguirre, a Basque conquistador who fought for Spain in Peru, who was publicly whipped for mistreating indigenous people, hunted down and murdered Judge Esquivel, then joined an El Dorado expedition led by Pedro de Ursúa. Aguirre helps overthrow and kill Ursúa, installs Fernando de Guzmán as a figurehead prince, then betrays and kills Guzmán and others, imposes paranoid rules, and writes a manifesto-style letter rebelling against King Philip II and the Spanish monopoly system. After seizing Margarita Island and committing further brutality, his force dwindles through desertion as Spain offers pardons; surrounded in Venezuela, Aguirre kills his daughter to prevent her capture, is shot by his own men, beheaded, and displayed. We link his story to the destructive realities of the so-called Columbian Exchange and the suppression of indigenous chocolate knowledge. Subscribe to our Substack for more in-depth articles about chocolate history. https://substack.com/@meltchocolates Browse our chocolate collection, hand-made made by top chocolatiers in London, Notting Hill. https://meltchocolates.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Rum, Resilience, and Revolution: Henry Morgan's Last Stand Pt.3
2026/08/18
How did Captain Henry Morgan pull off one of the most audacious pirate attacks in history? In the final chapter of our story of Captain Henry Morgan, we follow the legendary privateer as he attempts the seemingly impossible: the capture of Panama City. After surviving the explosion of his own flagship, Morgan could have walked away. Instead, he assembled the largest Buccaneer force of its kind, bringing together around 2,000 English, French, Dutch, African and Caribbean fighters for an extraordinary expedition across Panama. But Panama wasn’t waiting to be attacked. The Spanish knew Morgan was coming. Forts were reinforced, soldiers prepared, routes blocked and supplies removed. To reach the city, Morgan and his men would have to capture heavily defended positions, travel down the Chagres River, cross dense rainforest and survive hunger, ambushes and disease before they could even face the Spanish army. And then there were the cows. In this episode of The Chocolate Podcast, we explore the extraordinary Battle of Panama, the disastrous Spanish cattle strategy, the mysterious fate of Panama’s silver and the combination of resilience, brutality and military ingenuity that turned Henry Morgan into a legend. We also uncover the connection to chocolate. Pirates weren’t simply hunting for chests of gold. Sugar, cacao and other valuable commodities were an important part of the Caribbean economy they were fighting over, and chocolate itself could be treasure. Finally, we follow Morgan back to England, where the man who should perhaps have been punished for attacking Panama instead found himself celebrated, knighted and ultimately transformed from pirate into politician. Was Henry Morgan a criminal, a military genius, an entrepreneur or simply the ultimate opportunist? Probably a little of all four. 🍫 Explore more from Melt Chocolates: https://meltchocolates.com 🎙️ Subscribe to The Chocolate Podcast and turn on notifications so you never miss a new episode. #TheChocolatePodcast #CaptainMorgan #HenryMorgan #Pirates #PirateHistory #Panama #ChocolateHistory #Cacao #CaribbeanHistory #Buccaneers #FoodHistory #MeltChocolate Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Ruthless Criminal or Tactical Genius? Andrew & Ed Investigate Henry Morgan Pt.2
2026/08/10
The legend of Henry Morgan continues. In Part 2 of our deep dive into the life of the world’s most famous (and misunderstood) pirate, we explore the daring raids, political maneuvers, and the surprising legacy he left behind. Was Henry Morgan a ruthless criminal or a tactical genius? From the shores of Port Royal to the heart of the Spanish Empire, we unpack the history that the textbooks often leave out. If you missed the beginning of this journey, make sure to catch up on the first part of our Henry Morgan series on the Chocolate Podcast. In this video, we cover: The strategic brilliance behind Morgan's most famous battles.How a "pirate" became the Lieutenant Governor of Jamaica.The truth behind the myths of the Caribbean’s Golden Age. Connect with Chocolate Podcast: Subscribe to our Substack for more in-depth articles about chocolate history. https://substack.com/@meltchocolates Browse our chocolate collection, hand-made made by top chocolatiers in London, Notting Hill. https://meltchocolates.com/ Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/melt_chocolates/  #HenryMorgan #PirateHistory #ChocolatePodcast #HistoryDeepDive #CaribbeanHistory #PortRoyal #TrueStory Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The Pirate & The "Sheep's Poo" | Captain Henry Morgan Pt.1
2026/07/28
In our limited series - The Chocolate Pirate Series, Ed Easton and Andrew Nason discuss Captain Henry Morgan’s role in 17th-century European power struggles that shaped the histories of sugar, plantations, and chocolate, including an account of privateers mistaking valuable cacao for “sheep’s poo.” They outline what is known and disputed about Morgan’s origins (born around 1635 in Wales, possibly arriving in Jamaica as an indentured servant) and describe his rise in Jamaica as an ambitious, politically astute privateer with a negotiated crew code for shares and injury payments. The episode centers on Morgan’s 1668 raid on the heavily fortified Spanish port of Portobello: landing covertly, taking and blowing up a fort, and using captured monks and nuns to advance on another fort, with contested reports of later conduct and torture. Morgan then ransoms the city, taunts Panama’s governor with a pistol, and the story ends setting up Part 2. Subscribe to our Substack for more in-depth articles about chocolate history. https://substack.com/@meltchocolates Browse our chocolate collection, hand-made made by top chocolatiers in London, Notting Hill. https://meltchocolates.com/ Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/melt_chocolates/  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
How The "Gentleman Pirate" Can Teach Us About Chocolate in the 17th Century | Andrew & Ed Adventure with Stede Bonnet
2026/07/21
Was Stede Bonnet really the worst pirate in history? Or has history been too harsh on the so-called "Gentleman Pirate"? In this episode of The Chocolate Podcast, in our limited series - The Chocolate Pirate Series, Andrew & Ed dive into the remarkable true story of Stede Bonnet, the wealthy Barbados plantation owner who abandoned everything to become a pirate. Unlike every famous pirate before him, Bonnet had no naval experience, no military training, and no idea what he was doing. Yet within months he found himself sailing alongside Blackbeard, battling Spanish warships, raiding merchant vessels, and becoming one of the most unusual figures of the Golden Age of Piracy. Along the way, we explore: Why a wealthy gentleman would risk everything for piracyThe surprising connection between pirates, sugar plantations, and chocolateBlackbeard's unlikely relationship with Steed BonnetWhether Bonnet deserves his reputation as history's worst pirateThe real story behind walking the plankHow pirate ships actually made money (and why it wasn't usually gold)The chocolate cargoes that helped fuel the Caribbean economy As always, we separate pirate legend from historical reality, uncovering the people, trade, and commodities that shaped the world chocolate emerged from. If you enjoy stories where history, chocolate, economics, and adventure collide, this episode is for you. 🍫 Explore more chocolate stories, experiences and gifts: https://meltchocolates.com 🎙️ Subscribe to The Chocolate Podcast and turn on notifications so you never miss a new episode. #ChocolatePodcast #Pirates #SteedBonnet #Blackbeard #ChocolateHistory #GoldenAgeOfPiracy #CaribbeanHistory #SugarTrade #FoodHistory #HistoryPodcast #Chocolate #MeltChocolate Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Chocolate, Crime and the Pirate Peter Hein
2026/07/14
In this episode of the Chocolate Podcast of our limited series - The Chocolate Pirate Series, we are diving into the incredible life of Peter Hein—the man who went from being a "privateer" to one of the most successful and feared naval commanders in history. Most people know the name, but few know the tactical genius (and sheer luck) that defined his career. Andrew & Ed explore how Peter Hein managed the impossible: capturing a Spanish Treasure Fleet and changing the course of history. Was he a hero, a pirate, or just the right man at the right time? We’re unwrapping the myths and the gold behind the man who became a legend of the high seas. What we cover in this episode: The origins of Peter Hein and his rise through the Dutch West India Company.The Silver Fleet heist: How he pulled off the greatest maritime robbery in history.The fine line between being a decorated Admiral and a common pirate.The lasting legacy of Peter Hein and why his story still matters today. Connect with the Chocolate Podcast: Subscribe to our Substack for more in-depth articles about chocolate history. https://substack.com/@meltchocolates Browse our chocolate collection, hand-made made by top chocolatiers in London, Notting Hill. https://meltchocolates.com/ Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/melt_chocolates/  About the Chocolate Podcast: We unwrap the fascinating, the overlooked, and the downright unbelievable stories of our past. From legendary pirates to the science of human behavior, we’re here to explore the truth behind the history we think we know. #ChocolatePodcast #PeterHein #PirateHistory #DutchHistory #SilverFleet #HistoryDeepDive #NavalHistory Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Sir Francis Drake Bankrupted an Empire
2026/06/30
In this episode of The Chocolate Channel, Ed Easton and Andrew Nason (aka "The Don Chocolier") don their armor to dive into the high-stakes world of 16th-century piracy and its surprising connection to the history of chocolate. We explore the complex legacy of Sir Francis Drake, moving beyond the "English Hero" myth to uncover his role as a privateer, slaver, and a "thorn in the side" of the Spanish Empire. How did Drake’s global raids and state-backed piracy influence the Columbian Exchange? And more importantly, how did the battle for gold, silver, and spices pave the way for cacao to travel from the Americas to the rest of the world? In this episode, we discuss: The "Spanish Lake": How the Spanish Empire protected their treasure with the innovative Flotilla and Convoy systems. Piracy vs. Privateering: The thin line between state-backed exploration and international "terrorism." The Dark Side of the Sweet: The direct link between the transatlantic slave trade, sugar plantations, and the early chocolate industry. Strategic Innovators: A look at Alvaro de Bazan, the "invincible admiral" who redesigned the Spanish Galleon. Whether you're a history buff or a chocolate lover, join us in "The Melt Yurt" as we unwrap the toxic and transformative history of the world's favorite treat. FOLLOW and review for more deep dives into the history of chocolate! Subscribe to our Substack for more in-depth articles about chocolate history. https://substack.com/@meltchocolates Browse our chocolate collection, hand-made made by top chocolatiers in London, Notting Hill. https://meltchocolates.com/ Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/melt_chocolates/ #HistoryOfChocolate #SirFrancisDrake #TheChocolateChannel #SpanishArmada #ColumbianExchange #PirateHistory #CacaoHistory Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The World’s “Worst” Chocolate Pirate | William Kidd
2026/06/24
In this episode of The Chocolate Podcast, In our limited series - The Chocolate Pirate Series, we are continuing our conversation about Chocolate Pirates. This time...the Shocking Political Scandal of Captain William Kidd 🏴‍☠️⚖️ Was Captain Kidd really the "worst" pirate in history, or was he a victim of the most corrupt political scandal of the 17th century? In this episode, we break down the life and trial of William Kidd. From mooning the Royal Navy to the mysterious disappearance of the "French Passes" that could have saved his life, we explore how a wealthy New York merchant became a sacrificial lamb for the British Crown and the East India Company. Key Historical Insights: The Mooning of the Crown: How an ego-driven mistake turned the Navy against him before he even left the Thames. The French Passes: The evidence that proved Kidd was a legal privateer—and why it "mysteriously" vanished for centuries. A Political Pawn: Why both the Whigs and the Tories needed Kidd dead to cover their own tracks. The Execution: The brutal reality of his final moments at Wapping and the legend of his "lost" treasure. FOLLOW The Chocolate Podcast for more deep dives into the hidden histories and marketing truths that shaped our world. #CaptainKidd #PirateHistory #TrueCrimeHistory #BritishEmpire #HistoryUncovered #TheChocolatePodcast #HistoricalScandals #Shorts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The Brutal Legacy of Pedro Menéndez de Avilés
2026/06/16
Did you know that the journey of your favorite chocolate bar was once written in blood? In this episode, Ed and Andrew dive deep into the ruthless 16th-century maritime world where the line between "Admiral" and "Pirate" was razor-thin. We explore the brutal legacy of Pedro Menéndez de Avilés—the founder of St. Augustine and the mastermind behind the Spanish Treasure Fleet—and his violent clash with the legendary French "Peg-Leg" pirate, François Le Clerc. In this episode, we uncover: The "Blood-Soaked" Trade: Why cacao was considered a treasure more valuable (and deadlier) than silver and gold. Pedro Menéndez de Avilés: The Spanish "hero" who founded the oldest city in the U.S. while executing hundreds of rivals. The Real Long John Silver: Meet François Le Clerc, the wooden-legged French privateer who revolutionized piracy and sacked Cuba. The Flotilla System: How the Spanish protected their chocolate "black gold" from the most feared corsairs in history. The Colombian Exchange: Why your morning cocoa is inextricably linked to the violent history of the Spanish Main. From Spanish armour and storm-tossed fleets to the "Massacre at Matanzas," join The Chocolate Channel as we reveal the gritty, historical truth behind the gourmet world. Love the history of chocolate? Don't forget to FOLLOW for more deep dives into the gourmet and gritty past of the world’s favourite treat! Subscribe to our Substack for more in-depth articles about chocolate history. https://substack.com/@meltchocolates Browse our chocolate collection, hand-made made by top chocolatiers in London, Notting Hill. https://meltchocolates.com/ Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/melt_chocolates/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The Secret Energy Source that Won Sea Battles | Andrew & Kitty talk Chocolate Pirates
2026/06/10
Did pirates actually drink rum, or is that just a Hollywood myth? 🏴‍☠️🍫 In our limited series - The Chocolate Pirate Series, this episode of the Chocolate Podcast we sit down with guest Kitty Nason to debunk the "drunken sailor" tropes and explore the high-stakes reality of the 16th-century Caribbean. We’re moving past the cardboard cutout version of history to look at the "panoramic view" of the struggle between European pirates and the Spanish Empire. From the Protestant raiders to the strategic innovations of Spanish Admirals like Bernardino de Mendoza, we reveal how chocolate—not rum—was the true fuel of the high seas. In this episode, you’ll discover: The Luckiest Pirate in History: How Jean de Fleury captured the first massive haul of Aztec treasure (worth over $31 million today!) and the "political disaster" it caused for Spain. The Secret Fuel of Sea Battles: Why successful pirates preferred chocolate over alcohol to stay sharp for combat. The Spanish Counter-Strike: The birth of the "Convoy System" and the first global trade network. Beyond Gold: Why the "Columbian Exchange" of chocolate, corn, and chilies had a more lasting impact on your daily life than all the silver in Potosí. Whether you're a history buff, a chocolate lover, or a fan of naval strategy, this deep dive into the Golden Age of Piracy will change the way you look at the "buccaneers" forever. Join the conversation: Which historical pirate story surprised you the most? Let us know in the comments! Subscribe to our Substack for more in-depth articles about chocolate history. https://substack.com/@meltchocolates Browse our chocolate collection, hand-made made by top chocolatiers in London, Notting Hill. https://meltchocolates.com/ Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/melt_chocolates/ #HistoryPodcast #PirateHistory #TheChocolateChannel #SpanishEmpire #ChocolateHistory #JeanDeFleury #NavalHistory #PodcastEpisode Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Can You Replace Coffee with Cacao? Andrew & Ed Explore Alternative "Pick Me Up's"
2026/05/26
In this episode of The Chocolate Podcast, we dive into the fascinating debate: Should you eat chocolate in the morning for a productivity boost, or in the evening to help you sleep? Join host Ed and chocolate expert Andrew Nason as they break down the complex chemistry of cocoa - from the stimulating power of theobromine to the sleep-inducing benefits of magnesium. In this video, you’ll discover: The Magnesium "Goat": Why chocolate is one of the best absorbable sources of magnesium for relaxation and DNA repair. Stimulant vs. Relaxant: How chocolate provides a "cleaner" energy boost than coffee without the jitters. Ancient Sleep Secrets: What "troglodytes" and Neanderthals can teach us about modern sleep habits. The Bicerin & Tiramisu: The history of Italy’s famous "pick-me-up" treats and their chocolatey origins. Health Benefits for Women: Why magnesium-rich dark chocolate is essential during the PMS cycle. Whether you're looking to replace your morning espresso or find a natural way to lower cortisol and anxiety before bed, this episode reveals why chocolate is the "superfood" that serves both purposes. About The Chocolate Channel: We are your home for everything chocolate! From bean-to-bar education to the health benefits of dark cocoa, we explore the science, history, and deliciousness of the world's favourite treat. Subscribe to our Substack for more in-depth articles about chocolate history. https://substack.com/@meltchocolates Browse our chocolate collection, hand-made made by top chocolatiers in London, Notting Hill. https://meltchocolates.com/ Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/melt_chocolates/  FOLLOW for more deep dives into all things chocolate 🍫 #TheChocolateChannel #SleepHacks #DarkChocolateBenefits #MagnesiumRichFoods #Biohacking #ChocolatePodcast #NutritionScience #HealthyLiving Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The "Sh*tification" of Chocolate | Andrew & Ed Talk Chocolate Shrinkflation
2026/05/19
In this episode of The Chocolate Podcast, we dive deep into the controversial world of "shrinkflation" and what Andrew Nason calls the "inshittification" of our favourite chocolate brands. Are the chocolate bars we loved as kids actually getting smaller, or are they just being replaced with cheaper ingredients? From the iconic Toblerone geometry fail to the petroleum-derived antioxidants in Reese’s, we dissect the ingredients lists of mass-market giants like Cadbury Dairy Milk and Hershey’s to see what’s really changed since the 1960s. In this episode, we discuss: The History of Accounting & Excess: Why the world’s first written records (from a Mesopotamian bureaucrat named Kushim!) set the stage for modern exploitation and surplus. Shrinkflation Exposed: Why your Dairy Milk is now "round" instead of "square" (hint: it’s all about the grams) and the truth behind the air in your Aero bar. Mass Market vs. The Amazon: We contrast the "diesel-derived" additives of commercial bars with the complex, mind-altering beauty of wild, fermented cacao from the Amazon and Mexico. The Nostalgia Trap: Can you still enjoy a "crappy" chocolate bar for the memories, even if it’s objectively lower quality? Whether you're a dark chocolate snob who only eats wild-harvested cacao or a defender of the humble Freddo, this debate covers the ethics, chemistry, and pure joy of the world's favorite treat. Where do you stand? Are you a "Cacao Snob" or do you still crave that nostalgic hit of a Mars bar? Let us know in the comments! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Is Chocolate The GOAT For Creative Breakthroughs? Andrew & Ed Talk Chocolate & Creativity
2026/05/12
In this episode of The Chocolate Channel, we dive deep into the fascinating link between chocolate, creativity, and the evolution of human consciousness. We explore the "Drunk Monkey" vs. "Stoned Ape" theories and debate whether chocolate was actually the "GOAT" (Greatest of All Time) catalyst for our creative breakthroughs. If you’ve ever wondered if there’s a deeper, existential reason why we crave cacao, or how it might have shaped our history and even our concept of God, this deep dive into evolutionary psychology and food history is for you. In this episode, we cover: The Evolutionary Hook: Why humans are biologically wired to seek out the compounds found in cacao. Drunk Monkey vs. Stoned Ape: Comparing the leading theories on how mind-altering substances shaped the human brain. Chocolate & Creativity: How chocolate acts as a fuel for the creative mind and why it might be the ultimate productivity hack. The Big Reveal: The provocative theory on whether chocolate played a role in our spiritual development. FOLLOW to The Chocolate Channel for more deep dives into the science, history, and magic of your favourite treat. Subscribe to our Substack for more in-depth articles about chocolate history. https://substack.com/@meltchocolates Browse our chocolate collection, hand-made made by top chocolatiers in London, Notting Hill. https://meltchocolates.com/ Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/melt_chocolates/  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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