
Advertise on podcast: The Passionate Leader
Rating
5from
This podcast has
85 episodes
Language
EnglishPublisher
The Passionate LeaderExplicit
Yes
Date created
2025/06/04
Latest episode
2026/11/03
Average duration
68 min.
Release period
9 days
Description
The Passionate Leader Podcast Real talk from the frontlines of the fire service. Hosted by Deputy Chief JP Royea, this show cuts through the noise with raw stories, leadership lessons, and hard-earned insights from nearly 25 years in the job. Whether you’re a new recruit, rising officer, or veteran looking to lead with purpose. This podcast is for you. No ego, no nonsense just the truth about what it takes to build respect, culture, and accountability in the firehouse and beyond.
Unlock The Passionate Leader podcast Email contact info,
Listeners & Audience details
Email contact information
Direct podcast contact details

Listeners
Audience numbers & engagement insights

Audience details
Podcast Insights

Podcast episodes
Check latest episodes from The Passionate Leader podcast
Episode 81: Doug Ferrigno
2026/11/03
Deputy Chief Doug Ferrigno, a third-generation firefighter with 17 years in the career service, joins JP to discuss leading with trust, relationships, and respect. They explore why firefighters should value the role and people they have now, how knowing your crew can surface when someone needs support, and how Ferrigno’s Leading from the Front Academy makes professional development more accessible.
ResourcesLeading from the Front AcademyFirefighter NationInstagramFacebook
Episode 80: Michael McBroom
2026/10/20
In this conversation, Michael McBroom shares his journey from a young volunteer firefighter to a Marine Corps instructor, emphasizing the importance of prioritizing the needs of those you lead over personal ambition. The discussion explores themes of leadership, mentorship, the challenges of authority, and the necessity of adapting to change in both military and fire service contexts. The conversation explores the dynamics of leadership within the fire service and military, emphasizing the importance of mentorship, open communication, and adapting to modern techniques. It highlights the need for leaders to balance input from juniors while maintaining accountability and fostering an environment where vulnerability is accepted.
Takeaways
Leadership prioritizes peopleAdaptability is key in leadership Mentorship shapes future leadersEmbrace change for better training
Chapters
00:00 The Essence of Leadership04:04 Journey into Fire Service and Marine Corps11:00 Experiences in Leadership and Morale17:09 The Dynamics of Authority and Respect23:00 Adapting to Change in Leadership28:08 Building Future Leaders Through Input30:54 Balancing Input and Responsibility32:39 Encouraging Junior Firefighters34:52 The Importance of Open Communication36:44 Fostering Interpersonal Skills39:23 Understanding Modern Firefighting Techniques42:33 Embracing Change in Training46:10 The Value of Vulnerability in Leadership50:12 Advice for Aspiring Leaders
Episode 79: Mike Greco
2026/10/13
The conversation features Mike Greco, a seasoned firefighter, discussing the realities and challenges of the fire service, including personal experiences and the importance of accountability and brotherhood among firefighters. Greco emphasizes the need for a shift in mindset regarding the terminology used in firefighting, advocating for a return to basics and a focus on effective tactics rather than buzzwords. The conversation delves into the realities of the fire service, emphasizing the importance of readiness, training, and the mental aspects of firefighting. Michael shares personal experiences and insights on maintaining enthusiasm and preparedness in the face of challenges in the fire department. The conversation delves into the unpredictable nature of firefighting, emphasizing the importance of preparedness and the emotional toll of the job. Michael shares insights on the need for motivation and enthusiasm in the fire service, advocating for a more engaging approach to training and instruction. The conversation explores the importance of personal experiences in shaping leadership within the fire service, emphasizing the need for authenticity, accountability, and the willingness to learn from both successes and failures. It highlights the significance of mentorship, the challenges of modern firefighting, and the necessity of maintaining enthusiasm and commitment in the face of adversity.
Takeaways
Accountability in firefightingRedefining aggressive tactics Importance of readinessMental health in firefighting Importance of preparednessNeed for motivation in firefighting Leadership requires real experienceAuthenticity over popularity
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Mike Greco's Journey02:57 The Importance of Brotherhood and Accountability05:51 Passion for the Fire Service09:04 Challenging the Term 'Aggressive' in Firefighting12:02 The Evolution of Firefighting Tactics14:55 The Impact of Cancer on Firefighters18:07 The Balance of Risk in Firefighting22:34 The Reality of Firefighting25:53 Training and Physical Preparedness27:53 Knowledge vs. Experience29:18 Handling Disagreements in the Firehouse32:39 The Impact of Social Media on Firefighting34:49 Maintaining Enthusiasm in Low Activity42:07 The Unpredictability of Firefighting45:05 Service Calls and Their Impact48:03 The Emotional Toll of the Job55:08 Starting a Logistics Company57:58 Motivation and Enthusiasm in Training01:00:01 The Impact of Experience on Leadership01:03:01 Mentorship and Learning from Mistakes01:06:01 The Importance of Tradition in Firefighting01:10:01 Consulting and Sharing Knowledge01:13:59 Becoming a Leader in the Fire Servicewww.grecoemergencylogistics.com
thepassionateleader.com/discord
Mike on instagram
Episode 78: Kurt Nitschke
2026/10/06
In this conversation, Assistant Chief Kurt Nitschke shares his 40-year journey in the fire service, discussing the evolution of training, the importance of leadership, and the need for effective succession planning. He emphasizes the significance of community engagement and personal growth, reflecting on the lessons learned throughout his career. The conversation delves into the critical importance of mental health awareness within the fire service, exploring the identity challenges faced by firefighters and the need for supportive programs. It highlights personal experiences and innovative initiatives aimed at improving mental health support for first responders. The conversation delves into various aspects of fire department operations, focusing on mental health support, policy adaptation, the integration of AI, the importance of court testimonies, and the need for enhanced training for first responders. The speakers share personal experiences and insights on how these elements impact their work and the broader fire service community. The conversation delves into various aspects of firefighter training, certification, and the importance of mentorship in the fire service. It highlights the unique funding mechanisms for training in Michigan, the challenges of state credentialing, and the significance of leadership development for future fire service leaders.
Takeaways
Leadership shapes future generationsCommunity service is paramount Mental health is crucial for firefightersInnovative programs can save lives Mental health support is crucialAI can aid but not replace human care Firefighter training is essentialMentorship shapes future leaders
Chapters
00:00 The Journey of a Firefighter02:05 Reflections on Leadership and Legacy05:10 Evolution of Firefighting Training08:25 Community Engagement and Service10:37 Budgeting and Resource Management14:20 Continuing Education in Fire Service17:42 Mentorship and Succession Planning21:55 Personal Growth and Reflection28:54 Navigating Mental Health in Fire Service33:20 The Identity Crisis of Firefighters39:05 Catalysts for Change in Mental Health Awareness42:41 Innovative Programs for Mental Health Support52:19 Frontline Strong: A Model for Mental Health54:45 Peer Support and Mental Health Initiatives56:59 SOPs and Policy Adaptation in Fire Departments59:56 The Role of AI in Fire Services01:01:00 Court Testimonies and Expert Opinions01:06:03 First Responder Inspector Training and Collaboration01:18:50 Firefighter Training and Certification01:19:41 State Credentialing and Licensing01:21:50 Funding Firefighter Training01:22:46 Becoming a Fire Inspector01:23:35 Continuing Education for Inspectors01:25:44 The Role of Company Officers01:26:44 Future Goals in Fire Service01:28:50 Mentorship and Leadership Development01:30:22 The Importance of Open Discussions01:35:10 Advice for Aspiring Leaders
Episode 77: Chats With Chappy
2026/09/29
The conversation delves into the experiences of Chris Cottle, a fire chaplain, as he discusses the weight of mental and emotional struggles in the fire service. It explores the need for support, the role of chaplaincy, and the importance of seeking help. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including personal growth, financial struggles, mental health, and leadership. Chappy emphasizes the importance of self-advocacy, seeking help, and building rapport with peers. He also shares insights on chaplaincy, spirituality, and the role of a leader in the fire service. The conversation concludes with a call to lead with passion, serve with humility, and eliminate negativity.
Takeaways
Mental and emotional struggles in the fire service are often carried in silence.Chaplaincy plays a crucial role in providing support and guidance to firefighters in times of need. Self-AdvocacyBuilding RapportLeadership DevelopmentMental Health SupportSpirituality and Chaplaincy
Chapters
00:00 The Weight of Mental and Emotional Struggles02:24 The Role of Chaplaincy in the Fire Service35:33 Seeking Help and Support38:23 Personal Growth and Financial Struggles41:09 Seeking Help and Building Rapport43:41 Chaplaincy and Spirituality46:02 Leadership in the Fire Service59:42 Self-Leadership and Advocacy
Episode 76: Whitley Ricard
2026/09/22
The conversation delves into the challenges and adaptations in the fire service, exploring leadership, generational influence, academic and career journey, leadership styles, and physical limitations. The discussion highlights the need for evaluating physical ability tests and the importance of adapting to individual strengths and limitations in the fire service. The conversation delves into the challenges of tradition, the impact of short staffing on Mayday situations, and the importance of establishing safety protocols. It also explores the navigation of Mayday scenarios, the significance of low air alarms, and the need for effective Mayday training and understanding. Additionally, it discusses respect and mentorship in the fire service, the encouragement of critical thinking, and the impact of insecurity and envy. The conversation emphasizes the need for change and adaptation, as well as the journey to becoming a leader in the fire service.
Takeaways
Leadership challenges in the fire serviceGenerational influence and its impactAdaptations and limitations in physical ability tests The importance of challenging traditional practicesThe need for critical thinking and adaptability in the fire service
Chapters
00:00 Leadership in the Fire Service02:46 Generational Influence in the Fire Service03:28 Transition to the Fire Service04:26 Academic and Career Journey08:18 Leadership Styles and Influence12:11 Challenges and Adaptations in the Fire Service25:36 Physical Limitations and Adaptations32:25 The Challenge of Tradition33:06 Mayday Situations and Short Staffing35:16 Establishing Safety Protocols36:29 Navigating Mayday Scenarios36:35 The Importance of Low Air Alarms39:54 Mayday Training and Understanding43:47 Respect and Mentorship in the Fire Service44:05 Encouraging Critical Thinking45:51 The Impact of Insecurity and Envy54:22 The Need for Change and Adaptation01:00:09 Becoming a Leader in the Fire Service
Episode 75: Keven McNeill
2026/09/15
The conversation covers the challenges faced by the Danielson Fire Department, focusing on gear inventory and management issues, as well as budget constraints and challenges. The discussion delves into the problems with gear inventory, the impact on firefighter safety, and the budget limitations that hinder the department's operations. The conversation covers the topics of renting gear as an alternative to purchasing, the morale and leadership in the fire department, and the budget constraints and challenges faced by the department. The discussion delves into the details of renting gear, the impact of leadership on morale, and the financial limitations affecting the department's operations. The conversation delves into the inspection of firefighting gear, highlighting safety concerns and the need for proactive leadership. It also explores the emotional impact of firefighting challenges and the importance of addressing gear issues to ensure the safety of firefighters.
Takeaways
Gear inventory and managementBudget constraints and challenges Renting gear as an alternative to purchasingMorale and leadership in the fire departmentBudget constraints and challenges in the fire department Gear inspection and safetyLeadership and passion
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Live Stream Issues01:03 Challenges with Gear Inventory and Management03:00 Budget Constraints and Challenges24:00 Morale and Leadership in the Fire Department26:25 Budget Constraints and Challenges46:18 Raw Emotion and Breaking Pointswww.thepassionateleader.com/discord
Episode 74: Mike Norris
2026/09/08
The conversation delves into the challenges of leadership under pressure, the journey into the fire service, the burden of leadership, tactical communication and decision-making, and the changing landscape of the fire service. It emphasizes the importance of mentorship and the evolving role of leaders in the fire service. The conversation delves into the importance of building relationships before assuming a leadership role, the challenges and loneliness of leadership, and the significance of navigating negative feedback in professional settings. It emphasizes the concept of continuous improvement and the respect for professional competence as key themes throughout the discussion.
Chapters
00:00 Leadership Under Pressure04:14 The Journey into the Fire Service14:20 The Burden of Leadership25:10 Tactical Communication and Decision-Making33:48 The Changing Landscape of the Fire Service34:35 Building Relationships Before Leadership38:49 The Loneliness of Leadership57:43 Navigating Negative Feedback01:00:07 The Importance of Understanding Leadership01:01:03 Handling Disagreements and Ego in the Fire Service01:02:28 Efficiency and Training in Firefighting Techniques01:03:13 Approaching Leadership and Correcting Mistakes01:04:48 The Responsibility and Journey of Leadership01:05:16 The Impact of Leadership on Others01:06:08 Developing Credibility and Taking Time to Grow01:07:36 The Perspective of Leadership and the Fire Service01:08:05 The Role of a Leader and the Impact on Others01:09:08 The Significance of Leadership and Self-Development01:10:08 The Impact of Leadership on the Fire Service01:11:12 The Journey of Leadership and the Fire Service01:12:26 The Role of a Leader and the Impact on Others01:13:02 The Importance of Understanding Leadership01:14:22 The Journey of Leadership and the Fire Service01:15:36 The Impact of Leadership on the Fire Service01:16:08 The Role of a Leader and the Impact on Others01:17:07 The Journey of Leadership and the Fire Service01:18:05 The Significance of Leadership and Self-Development01:19:02 The Impact of Leadership on the Fire Service01:20:04 The Role of a Leader and the Impact on Others01:21:05 The Journey of Leadership and the Fire Service01:22:18 The Impact of Leadership on the Fire Service01:23:15 The Role of a Leader and the Impact on Others01:24:23 The Journey of Leadership and the Fire Service01:25:12 The Impact of Leadership on the Fire Service
[email protected]
https://www.instagram.com/the_five_percent_cast/
https://open.spotify.com/show/033BazBUzvZKJIxNxc4an5?si=4d082bf45e454129
Episode 73: KJ Johnson
2026/09/01
The conversation with KJ Johnson, creator of Black Helmet Collective, delves into her journey to the fire service, the pursuit of fulfillment, the importance of representation, and the creation of the Black Helmet Collective. KJ's story highlights the significance of representation, the pursuit of purpose, and the evolution of her vision for the Black Helmet Collective. The conversation covers the launch of Black Helmet Collective, overcoming self-promotion challenges, the mission of Black Helmet Collective, financial barriers in the fire service, advocacy and representation in the fire service, and community outreach and personal growth. The discussion highlights the advocacy for underprivileged communities and the financial barriers faced in the fire service. The conversation delves into the importance of soft skills in leadership, empowering people through genuine conversations, advocating for others, and the role of emotional intelligence in effective leadership. It emphasizes the significance of interpersonal skills, empowerment, and advocacy in leadership roles, highlighting the impact of emotional intelligence on leadership effectiveness.
Takeaways
Representation mattersTaking a leap and pursuing fulfillment Advocacy for underprivileged communitiesFinancial barriers in the fire service Soft skills in leadershipEmpowering people through genuine conversationsAdvocating for othersImportance of emotional intelligence
Chapters
00:00 The Journey to the Fire Service05:03 Finding Fulfillment and Purpose09:49 The Importance of Representation14:59 Creating the Black Helmet Collective19:52 The Vision and Evolution of BHC24:34 Launching Black Helmet Collective27:30 Overcoming Self-Promotion Challenges28:24 The Mission of Black Helmet Collective32:01 Financial Barriers in the Fire Service35:38 Advocacy and Representation in the Fire Service44:04 Community Outreach and Personal Growth47:11 The Importance of Soft Skills in Leadership48:08 Empowering People Through Genuine Conversations49:06 Advocating for Others50:03 The Role of Emotional Intelligence51:28 Leadership and Empowerment53:21 The Power of Advocacy54:02 The Impact of Emotional Intelligence55:27 Empowerment and Advocacy in Leadership56:22 The Importance of Interpersonal Skills57:16 Empowerment and Advocacy in Leadership58:12 The Power of Empowerment and Advocacy59:10 Leadership and Empowerment01:00:01 Empowerment Through Genuine Conversations01:01:03 Empowerment and Advocacy in Leadership01:02:43 The Role of Emotional Intelligence in Leadership01:03:10 Empowerment Through Genuine Conversations01:04:07 Advocacy and Emotional Intelligence in Leadership01:05:02 Empowerment Through Genuine Conversations01:06:01 Advocacy and Emotional Intelligence in Leadership01:07:27 Empowerment Through Genuine Conversations
blackhelmetcollective.com
https://youtube.com/@blackhelmetcollective?si=7qaSNrnB8EOYx7p3
Episode 72: Dedra Thompson
2026/08/25
The conversation uncovers the hidden influence of organizational culture and how leadership behavior shapes its future. It emphasizes the urgent need for organizations to develop strong leaders now, before opportunities slip away. The discussion reveals the critical transition from employee to employer and why investing in leadership development is more vital than ever.
Takeaways
Organizational culture is defined by what an organization tolerates, rewards, and repeats.Investing in leadership development is crucial for the success of an organization.
[email protected]
https://www.tiktok.com/@leadershiprealtalk
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dlthom
https://www.instagram.com/This_Dedra_Thompson
https://www.blacklicoriceconsulting.com/
Episode 71: Kevin Whitsell
2026/08/14
In this conversation, Kevin Whitsell shares his experiences as an operations manager for a children's hospital and reflects on his journey in EMS. He discusses the silent war within, the importance of humility in leadership, facing trauma in the field, the catalyst for change, mental health and first responders, and the impact of shift work on cumulative trauma. The conversation covers Kevin Whitsell's journey from working in the medical field to starting the 'Silent War Within' podcast. It delves into the challenges of pediatric transport, the impact of child abuse, and the coping strategies for mental health triggers. It also explores the importance of leadership and success advice for individuals starting their path in leadership roles.
Takeaways
Leadership requires humility and awareness of one's own humanity.Trauma in the field can have a lasting impact on first responders, and mental health support is crucial. Facing fear head-onRecognizing mental health triggersImportance of leadership and success advice
Chapters
00:00 The Silent War Within01:20 Leadership and Humility03:02 Facing Trauma in the Field12:14 The Catalyst for Change14:38 Mental Health and First Responders26:00 Leadership and Shift Work32:36 Transitioning to Pediatric Team33:54 Challenges in Pediatric Transport34:54 Facing Fear and Difficult Conversations35:22 The Impact of Child Abuse39:03 The Silent War Within Podcast Journey40:15 Overcoming Overwhelm and Building a Team49:17 Writing for Dark Horse Press and Public Speaking54:58 Recognizing Mental Health Triggers and Coping Strategies59:08 Leadership and Success Advice
www.asilentwarwithin.com
https://www.instagram.com/asilentwarwithin901/
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61577918355278
https://www.youtube.com/@asilentwarwithin
Episode 70: Ask Yourself Why
Was That My Reaction?
2026/08/11
In this episode, we discuss the importance of leadership, communication, and maintaining professionalism in the fire service, challenging traditional methods like yelling and fear-based tactics. He emphasizes the value of calmness, hard conversations, and leading by example, while also promoting upcoming events and community engagement.
Episode 69: Jason Meinershagen
2026/07/28
Jason Minershagan shares his journey in the fire service, highlighting the importance of identity, leadership, and mental health. He discusses toxic leadership, voluntary demotion, and the stigma surrounding mental health in the fire service. The conversation delves into the challenges within the system, including work comp claims, isolation, and ineffective EAPs. It also explores the need for proactive trauma support for first responders and the origin of Five Arrows Forge. The conversation covers the transition from a focus on family to ministry, the impact of the job on personal identity, the importance of leadership and identity, and the development of a mental health operations class. It emphasizes the transient nature of the job and the need for practical tools for mental health.
Takeaways
Identity is not tied to titles; true leadership comes from within.Toxic leadership and mental health stigma can lead to career dissatisfaction and personal struggles. Challenges in the system affect mental health supportProactive trauma support is essential for first responders Leadership is about taking care of your peopleThe job doesn't love you back
Chapters
00:00 Identity and Leadership03:08 Entering the Fire Service07:07 Career Trajectory and Leadership Role13:14 Voluntary Demotion and Leadership Failure21:06 Betrayal and Mental Health Stigma24:03 Challenges in the System25:24 Navigating Work Comp Claims26:20 Isolation and Leadership Response27:43 Ineffective EAPs and Trauma Support30:17 Reforming EAPs and Healthcare Systems35:13 Proactive Trauma Support for First Responders40:15 The Origin of Five Arrows Forge47:23 Shifting Focus to Ministry51:51 The Job Doesn't Love You Back56:22 Leadership and Identity01:03:24 Mental Health Operations
For more information or to reach Jason:
www.fivearrowsforge.com
https://www.instagram.com/anotefromdad/
https://www.facebook.com/ANoteFromDad
https://www.youtube.com/@aNoteFromDad
Episode 68: Ryan Johnston
2026/07/21
In this episode, fire chief Ryan Johnston shares insights on leadership, command presence, and the importance of training and mentorship in the fire service. Discover practical advice for aspiring leaders and how to build strong, effective fire departments.
Chapters
00:00 Leadership in Fire Service
02:27 Ryan Johnston's Journey in Firefighting
10:20 Learning from Leadership Experiences
14:06 The Importance of Team Dynamics
16:31 Fire Department Operations and Community Engagement
20:20 The Firefighter's Perspective
24:16 Building a Training Legacy
30:03 Navigating Bureaucracy in Fire Services
37:38 Preparing for Fire and Foliage
39:20 Bridging Fireground and Firehouse Leadership
41:46 The Power of 'Start with Yes' in Leadership
45:52 Creating a New Conference Experience
53:44 Advice for Aspiring Leaders
resources
Seat of the Fire Podcast - https://spotify.com/seat-of-the-fire
Maniac Fire Training - https://maniactraining.org
Fire and Foliage Symposium - https://firstdueproject.org
guest links
LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/ryanjohnston
Instagram - https://instagram.com/ryanjohnston
Episode 67: Jason Yerkovich
2026/07/14
In this episode, Jason Yerkovich shares insights on leadership, personal growth, and breaking inherited patterns to build better legacies. We explore the importance of service, authenticity, and continuous self-improvement in the fire service and beyond.
Chapters
00:00 Carrying the Burden of Inherited Patterns
02:24 Introducing Jason Yerkovich: A Leader's Journey
05:06 The Importance of Awareness and Change
11:14 Legacy Beyond the Fire Service
13:10 The Role of Leadership in Family and Community
18:12 Navigating Social Media as a Firefighter
22:49 The Value of Employee Engagement in Fire Departments
23:19 The Weight of Leadership and Responsibility
25:57 Personal Reflection and the Journey to Authorship
30:35 The Courage to Share Personal Stories
33:23 The Process of Writing and Publishing a Book
36:04 Generational Changes in Leadership and Support
40:43 Learning from Adversity and Bad Leadership
43:49 The Importance of Fun in Leadership
45:59 Servant Leadership: A New Perspective
47:09 The Influence of Great Leaders
48:12 Adjusting to Leadership Roles
53:09 Building a Podcast: Sharing Stories and Growth
58:59 Final Thoughts on Leadership and Service
01:06:28 End Credits
Carry the Fire by Jason Yerkovich - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Carry+the+Fire+by+Jason+Yerkovich
Built Not Inherited Podcast - https://podcastlink.com/builtnotinherited
First Due Project - https://firstdueproject.org
LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/jasonyerkovich
Instagram - https://instagram.com/jasonyerkovich
TikTok - https://tiktok.com/@jasonyerkovich
Podcast reviews
Read The Passionate Leader podcast reviews
hydrantcatcher 2025/11/30
Great Podcast
Real dudes talking real things. No fluff. No egos. Just ideas and conversation. JP is a great conversationalist.
Lee Jisoo 143 2025/06/04
Great job
You will Make it so far
Podcast sponsorship advertising
Start advertising on The Passionate Leader relevant audience podcasts
You may also like to advertise on these Podcasts

4.82489966
The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast
1000 Hours Outside

4.920851192
Toni and Ryan
Toni Lodge and Ryan Jon

4.524592170
The Intelligence from The Economist
The Economist

4.662912000
The Dr. Laura Podcast
Dr. Laura Schlessinger & SiriusXM

4.723932000
Everything Everywhere Daily
Gary Arndt

4.922762003
First15 Devotional
First15

4.629942048
Optimal Living Daily - Personal Development and Self-Improvement
Justin Malik

4.816592000
Juicebox Podcast: Type 1 Diabetes
Scott Benner

4.813862000
Daily Tech News Show
Tom Merritt

4.723191980
Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager
Salem Podcast Network