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Daniel Dauphin returns to the Optimized Equine Podcast and this time we're giving him the spotlight on his specialty — bits. But don't let that fool you into thinking this is a niche episode. If you ride a horse, this conversation is for you. Daniel is a horsemanship clinician with a background in mechanical engineering and animal science, and he has spent years diving deep into the science, anatomy, and mechanics of bits and bridles. He is the creator of The Bit Course, a comprehensive online program that has been adopted as a teaching resource by 25 universities across the country. In this episode, Daniel challenges some of the most deeply held beliefs in the equine world — from the nutcracker effect to the foamy mouth myth — and explains why so many of the things we've been taught to look for as signs of a happy, working horse are actually red flags in disguise. We also explore the role of the tongue in whole body function, why bit fit matters more than bit design, and why adding more gear is almost never the answer. Whether you're an English rider, a Western rider, or anywhere in between, this episode will change the way you look at what's in your horse's mouth — and what's in your hands. Connect with Daniel Dauphin: TheBitCourse.com DauphinHorsemanship.com Adult Onset Horsemanship Podcast Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.com Chapters [00:00] Welcome and Introduction [00:37] How Daniel Became the Bit Guy [02:24] Why Bits Are a Bigger Topic Than You Think [04:57] It All Comes Back to the Tongue [06:42] A Brief History of Bits [07:50] The Origins of Bitless Riding [09:39] If You Could Rewrite the Rules [12:25] The Two Wrinkle Problem [13:30] The Mouth Seal and Why It Matters [16:09] Mouthpiece Design and Surface Area [18:44] The Single Jointed Snaffle [19:32] The Tom Thumb Bit [23:37] The Waterford Bit [25:35] Debunking the Nutcracker Effect [30:40] Protecting the Horse Through Education [33:23] What Foamy Mouth Actually Means [34:10] Tongue Ties in Racehorses [36:09] Drop Nosebands and Mouth Closing Devices [38:08] The Tongue's Connection to the Whole Body [40:53] Draw Reins and Behind the Vertical [41:44] Throat Latch Angle and the Horse's Eye [44:38] Nervous System Regulation and the Mouth [46:30] When Bit Problems Aren't Really Bit Problems [47:46] Going Bitless Doesn't Exempt You From This Work [53:01] Shank Bits [58:39] The English World and Contact [1:02:00] The Pelham and Converter [1:04:26] When the Gear Becomes the Problem [1:06:35] Mouth Guards and Gimmicks [1:10:06] The Bit Course [1:14:17] Closing and Where to Find Daniel

In this Optimized Equine Mini, Tamara Lee Barrett works with a horse owner whose horse displays nippy, mouthy behavior during in-hand work. Rather than addressing the biting directly, Tamara guides the owner to zoom out and read what the horse is communicating well before the behavior ever surfaces. Tamara walks her through an exercise focused on finding the distance where the horse is truly comfortable before proceeding. Recognizing subtle signals and learning to stay present without inadvertently adding pressure lead to finding real softness, rather than just managing symptoms. Later in the conversation, the horse begins approaching his owner during a break and she wonders whether to reward him with a pet or scratch. Tamara reframes the moment entirely, sharing her perspective on what a genuine release and reset looks like, as well as offering a more thoughtful way to incorporate physical touch if the owner chooses. A practical, perspective-shifting episode for anyone dealing with a horse who is mouthy, sensitive, or “cranky.” Don’t forget to click follow or subscribe, rate the show, and share with a friend. It takes just a moment, but helps so much! Visit tamaraleebarrett.com for more episodes and info on virtual or in-person coaching and consulting.

In this episode, Tamara is joined by Lydia Heywood, founder of Cool Ridings in England and international eventing rider for Jamaica, and McKrell Baier of Bridge Up Giddy Up and the US Equestrian Society. Together, the three dig into what it really takes to grow and sustain equestrian sport — from building inclusive communities at the grassroots level, to the very real threat of horse sport losing its place in the Olympics. Lydia shares her journey that led to competing internationally, and the leap she just took to run Cool Ridings full time. McKrell and Lydia reflect on how much they have in common despite coming from very different worlds, and why diversity isn't just a feel-good idea — it's the answer to nearly every challenge the equestrian world is facing right now. You can follow Lydia Heywood of Cool Ridings Equestrian on social media, or visit ⁠coolridings.com⁠ to learn more. You can follow McKrell Baier’s Bridge Up Giddy Up program and the US Equestrian Society on Instagram, or visit ⁠us-es.org⁠ Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Stay Connected at ⁠TamaraLeeBarrett.com⁠ Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Lydia Haywood 02:12 Lydia's Journey in Equestrian Sports 04:47 The Impact of Cool Ridings 08:15 Insights from the US Equestrian Event 09:52 Building Community in Equestrian Sports 12:46 Challenges and Opportunities in Equestrianism 15:09 The Importance of Representation 17:29 Transitioning to Full-Time Equestrian Work 24:45 Creating Accessible Equestrian Experiences 27:23 Navigating Competitions 29:38 The Future of Equestrian Sports 36:34 The Power of Diversity in Equestrianism 39:54 Defining Correctness in Equestrian Practices 45:39 Global Perspectives on Equestrian Education 51:19 Three Wishes for the Equestrian World

In this Optimized Equine Mini, we're dropping you into a piece from a real lesson with an off-the-track Thoroughbred who has spent significant time with his dedicated owner working through the anxiety and high-alert state that came with his past.The hard work paid off — he found relaxation. But that success brought a new and unexpected hurdle. For horses who associate physical effort with stress, fear, and survival, moving from a calm state back into athleticism isn't as simple as asking for more. The body and mind have to be taught, step by step, how to engage and work without triggering that deeply wired fight-or-flight response.In this clip, Tamara breaks down why this happens, what it looks like, and how to begin building that bridge between relaxation and athletic effort. Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.com

In this episode, Tamara sits down with Stephanie Carter, founder of Indigo Ancestral Health and a veterinary technician with over 23 years of clinical experience. Stephanie shares how her time working in conventional veterinary medicine — across small animal, large animal, and mixed practices — ultimately led her away from the traditional model and toward equine functional nutrition, an approach centered on species-appropriate, nutrient-dense, real foods and the bio-individuality of every horse. Stephanie breaks down what sets functional nutrition apart from conventional equine nutrition, why population-level guidelines like the NRC fall short for individual horses, and how quality and sourcing of feed ingredients plays a bigger role in long-term health than most people realize. She also explains why she uses hair tissue mineral analysis and microbiome testing alongside traditional bloodwork to get a fuller picture of what's really going on with a horse — and why bloodwork alone can miss a lot. The conversation gets into some deeper territory too, including how chronic stress and emotional trauma show up as physical health problems in horses, the connection between the gut microbiome and whole-body health, and Stephanie's perspective on conditions like Cushing's and insulin resistance as layered, systemic issues rather than single problems to be managed with medication alone. Tamara and Stephanie also touch on the importance of the owner's role in their horse's health, the value of collaboration between functional and conventional practitioners, and why prevention will always beat crisis management. Stephanie also shares details on her two books — Managing Muscle Mayhem and her newest release, Equine Functional Nutrition: Understanding Root Cause to Restore Vitality. You can follow Indigo Ancestral Health on Facebook, Instagram or visit stephaniecarterntp.com to learn more about her work. Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.com Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Equine Functional Nutrition 06:43 Understanding Osteopathic Veterinary Medicine 11:20 The Importance of Individualized Nutrition 16:10 The Role of Forage in Equine Diets 26:12 Understanding Trauma and the Microbiome in Horses 36:01 The Role of Emotional Well-being in Horse Care 41:36 Exploring Stephanie’s New Book on Equine Health and Vitality 46:30 Wishes for Horses and Humanity

In this episode, Rachel Windchaser shares her journey from growing up with horses in England to creating a Spanish Mustang preserve in Spain. As a child who struggled with communication, Rachel found her voice with horses—they gave her the space to pause, to speak, and to simply be herself.Rachel's path led her to Spain, where she felt immediately at home. Here her work with Spanish Mustangs transformed her understanding of horses entirely. These undiluted horses taught her that true horsemanship begins with understanding nature: both the horse's nature and our own.In this conversation, we explore how Rachel's father taught her that it all starts with asking the right questions at the right time, and why understanding the nature of the horse changes everything about how we interact with them. Rachel explains the difference between relationship and partnership with horses and why you can't have one without the other. We discuss why boundaries aren't the enemy of ethical horsemanship but are actually essential for clarity and safety, and how bringing your authentic self to your horse, emotions and all, creates better connection than leaving everything "at the gate."Rachel emphasizes the importance of slowing down enough to truly see your horse, not just look at them, and why horses thrive on clarity and become confused and frustrated without it. We also dive into how the pressure of competing voices in the horse world creates more confusion than clarity for horse owners trying to do their best. Rachel shares about her book, "The Principles of Rewilding: Horsemanship from Nature," and what inspired her to write it despite her own struggles with communication.Rachel offers a perspective that bridges the gap between different horsemanship camps, reminding us that no single method works for every horse in every moment. Instead, understanding the individual horse in front of you, and yourself, is the foundation for everything else. Whether you're a high-level competitor or someone who simply wants to connect more deeply with your horse, this episode will inspire you to step outside the noise and return to what matters most: authentic communication and mutual understanding.You can connect with Rachel Windchaser at rewild.windchaserranch.com, on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube. Her book "The Principles of Rewilding: Horsemanship from Nature" is available on Amazon and Lulu in both English and Spanish.Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, and Rate Optimized Equine Podcast! Follow Our Socials and Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.com

In this compelling conversation, Nick Fornwalt shares his transformation from traditional Western trainer and farrier apprentice to barefoot hoof care provider and partnership-based horseman. Nick opens up about his early days in the industry, when horses were viewed as machines to be programmed and the training methods that went along with it.Nick shares about a pivotal moment with his horse, and a profound realization about communication, fairness, and humility that sparked a journey that would change his life.Nick doesn't shy away from the controversial topics. He makes a strong case that barefoot is objectively better for horses, but he also brings nuance to the conversation, acknowledging that shoes can be valuable tools when approached honestly, rather than as permanent solutions we avoid questioning.The conversation explores the false dichotomy between "push-button horses" and partnership-based training, the uncomfortable truth about what it actually takes to commit to barefoot transitions, and why Nick believes the industry often prioritizes human convenience over horse welfare. He shares how horses have taught him lessons about ego, patience, and presence that have made him a better husband and father.Throughout the episode, Nick emphasizes that real horsemanship isn't about technical perfection—it's about being present enough to have genuine conversations with horses, even when those conversations reveal uncomfortable truths about ourselves.ABOUT NICK FORNWALTNick Fornwalt is a hoof care provider and horse trainer based in Payson, Arizona. His journey with horses began in earnest during college, though horses weren't a major part of his childhood. After working in the film and television industry, Nick found himself drawn back to a more rural, agricultural lifestyle through horses.When COVID shut down the entertainment industry, Nick transitioned full-time into hoof care and training. What started as a practical need to trim his own horses evolved into a professional practice after apprenticing with traditional farriers and later studying barefoot approaches with specialists like David Landreville.Nick's training philosophy has been deeply influenced by his work with mentor and training partner Tessa Nicolet of Cohesive Horsemanship, whose French classical-based approach and emphasis on lightness, communication, and partnership marked a significant departure from his earlier methods. Today, Nick focuses on developing horses as curious, willing partners rather than push-button machines, and advocates for barefoot hoof care whenever possible while maintaining honest, nuanced conversations about when and why shoes might be needed.He approaches both hoof care and training with an emphasis on making it harder for the human and easier for the horse, prioritizing sustainability, welfare, and genuine partnership over convenience and quick results.Contact:Website: www.fornwaltlivestock.comFollow, Subscribe, and Rate the Optimized Equine Podcast! Follow Our Socials and Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.comChapters00:00 Nick's Journey with Horses07:15 Transitioning to a Professional Role18:05 Corner Turning Moments in Training18:18 Realizations and Shifts in Perspective21:45 Turning Points in Horse Care26:02 The Culture of Hoof Care30:17 Understanding Barefoot vs. Shoeing36:30 The Band-Aid Effect of Shoes44:31 Interpreting Horse Behavior44:35 Understanding Horse Communication49:40 The Complexity of Training Horses55:36 Personal Development Through Horsemanship01:00:33 Wishes and Reflections on Horsemanship

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, I sit down with Ariana Sakaris to explore what it truly means to work in partnership with horses. Ariana shares her unique approach to blending groundwork, liberty work, and dressage—always with the horse's perspective at the center of every decision. We discuss the art of information gathering and how to read what your horse is telling you through body language, energy, and subtle cues that often go unnoticed in routine care. Ariana challenges the idea that "liberty" has one definition, explaining why sometimes the kindest thing you can do is put the halter back on to help a horse find clarity rather than letting them stay lost and confused. Ariana opens up about her journey with her Mustang, Wildheart—from wild in Nevada to competing in dressage shows and International Liberty competitions. She shares the internal battle of showing up in competitive environments when your horse doesn't fit the mold, and how she found the courage to do it anyway, on her own terms. We also dive into the concept of horsemanship as an evolving practice of self-awareness, adaptability, and learning to speak the horse's language. Ariana emphasizes that true partnership isn't about perfection—it's about meeting each horse where they are, respecting their "no" while helping them work through challenges, and always prioritizing their mental, emotional, and physical wellbeing. Whether you're interested in liberty work, dressage, or simply want to deepen your connection with your horse, this conversation offers practical wisdom and inspiration that transcends discipline. Key Topics Discussed: Blending groundwork, liberty work, and dressage in daily training Reading your horse's mental and physical state through observation The importance of establishing baseline information about your horse When to use tools like halters and lead ropes versus working at liberty Navigating fear and building confidence—for both horse and human Showing with non-traditional horses and doing it your way Managing horses with health challenges like EPM, PSSM1, and allergies Defining horsemanship as self-awareness and adaptability About Our Guest: Ariana Sakaris is known for her calm, patient, and deeply empathetic approach with both horses and humans. Her teaching blends clarity with compassion, helping others discover a kinder way of understanding, communicating, and working with their horses. Ariana's journey began at age five in Greece, where she first became fascinated by the language between horses and people. After returning to the U.S., she spent over eight years studying under a former Russian Olympic Dressage Coach and Master of Sport, completing more than 400 hours of certified training. However, as her technical skills grew, she realized something was missing—genuine, two-way connection. This revelation sparked a transformative journey across the U.S. and France, studying with leading professionals in Grand Prix Dressage, Classical Dressage, Liberty, and Horsemanship. Today, Ariana is a United States Dressage Federation Silver Medalist, four-time International Liberty Horse Association Champion, National Dressage Pony Cup Mustang Champion, USDF Mustang Breed Award Champion, Mustang Makeover Reserve Champion, Midwest Horse Fair Star Search Reserve Champion, and award-winning filmmaker for her documentary Wild Heart.  Based in Paris, Kentucky, Ariana offers clinics, demonstrations, instruction, and training focused on Liberty Work, Dressage, Groundwork, and Relationship-Based Problem Solving.  Connect with Ariana: Website: https://www.arianasakaris.com/ Facebook: Ariana Sakaris Equestrian Development Please take a moment to Share, Follow, Subscribe, and Rate the Optimized Equine Podcast! Follow Our Socials and Stay Connected at TamaraLeeBarrett.com

In this episode, Leslie Desmond discusses her upcoming webinar series "The Great Debate About the Horse's Mouth," running from December 17th through March 18th, 2026. This free 14-hour educational event brings together a panel of nominated specialists including veterinarians, certified dentists, lay practitioners, and other equine specialists from around the world. With over 450 auditors registered from 30+ countries, the series aims to address the polarizing and often confusing world of equine dentistry. Leslie shares her personal journey into equine dentistry that led her to attend dental school at age 68. She discusses the wide spectrum of approaches in the field, different philosophies, and the various certification standards across states. The conversation explores why this topic matters for all horse owners. Leslie emphasizes the importance of understanding the qualifications of anyone working in your horse's mouth and the profound impact dental work has on the whole horse. Leslie also reflects on her extensive horsemanship background, her formative lessons from WWI cavalry veteran Ivan Taylor, her time studying with Tom Dorrance, Ray Hunt, and Buck Brannaman, and how Bill Dorrance's wisdom—"if you want to help the horses, you gotta help the people on the other end of the rope"—has shaped her lifelong commitment to helping horses by helping the people who care for them. A complete and current list of nominated panelists is available on the Leslie Desmond Horse Network, where you can also sign up for this FREE educational event. In this episode, Leslie tells us about a handful of the panelists that we will be hearing from during the course of the debates: Dr. Justin Christensen, Dr. Mark DePaolo, Marilyn Hobbs, Spencer LaFlure, Karina Lewis, Larry Moriarity, Wayne Needham, Maureen Rogers, Dr. Geoff Tucker, Dr. Trish Kallenbach, and Lance Rubin.  Click HERE to sign up for The Great Debate!  About Leslie Desmond: Leslie has been immersed in the horse world since her father first put her on a pony in 1958 and the rest is history. Over the decades, she has worked with nearly every breed and taught across multiple continents. Many of you may know Leslie from her work as a student and colleague of Buck Brannaman, Ray Hunt, and Bill Dorrance, with whom she co-authored True Horsemanship Through Feel. Her written work has been published extensively in the States and overseas with publications and articles translated into seven languages. Her audio book, Horse Handling and Riding Through Feel, represents what she considers some of her most important contributions to helping horses and their people. You can learn more about Leslie Desmond at https://lesliedesmond.horse and https://www.feelofahorse.com or contact her at [email protected] Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials to Stay Connected! TamaraLeeBarrett.com Chapters [00:00] Introduction to Leslie and The Great Debate [02:05] Webinar Format & Structure [05:01] Two Types of Horse People [06:01] Why This Matters: Leslie's Wake-Up Call [08:43] The “Head Shaking Horse” [09:16] Personal Loss & Commitment [10:39] Even Experts Can Be Fooled [11:18] Turning Point: A Broken Arm Changes Everything [12:04] The Debate Rules & Ready Participants [13:03] The Complex Landscape of Credentials [15:27] The Wide Spectrum of Practitioners [16:54] Would You See a GP for a Toothache? [18:15] The Cumulative Effect [19:34] Leslie's Background: Early Years [21:51] Ivan's Lessons: Kindness & Non-Judgment [24:42] A Life Dedicated to Horses [25:37] Bill Dorrance's Wisdom [26:53] The Childhood Dream Becomes a Business [27:26] Learning from Buck, Ray, and Tom [30:12] Introducing the Panelists [42:33] Why Invest in Deep Knowledge? [49:33] Final Thoughts & How to Participate

In this episode, host Tamara Lee Barrett welcomes back Ivy Starnes of Ivy's Glide Gait for a comprehensive Q&A session diving deep into your gaited horse training questions. From fixing trotty horses to understanding the nuances between the gaits, Ivy shares her expertise on achieving smooth, comfortable gaits through proper communication, training techniques, and equipment choices. This conversation addresses the most common challenges gaited horse owners face and provides practical solutions grounded in understanding each horse's individual needs and movement patterns. What You'll Learn: How to approach fixing a trotty horse—from the saddle versus the ground The role breeding practices play in creating pacey horses in certain breeds Why saddle racks and foxtrots are distinct gaits requiring different approaches How proper rein contact and communication improve performance on a loose rein The significant impact hoof care and shoeing practices have on gait quality When and how to use different bits, including shanked bits, for training success How to help your vet identify lameness in gaited horses and address underlying gait issues Takeaways: Working from the saddle is often more effective than groundwork for fixing trotty gaits Achieving one gait (like a saddle rack) doesn't automatically lead to another (like a foxtrot) Understanding your horse's movement is crucial for their health, longevity, and your comfort Training techniques must be adapted to each individual horse's needs and responses Teaching horses to understand rein contact creates better performance and safety overall The balance between telescoping forward and rocking back affects gait quality Consistency in training and proper feedback are essential for success Hoof care issues can significantly impact a horse's ability to gait correctly Whether you're struggling with a pacey horse, trying to understand contact and softness, or navigating equipment choices, this episode provides the guidance you need. Ivy's thoughtful, individualized approach demonstrates that effective gaited horse training comes from understanding biomechanics, clear communication, and meeting each horse where they are. Guest Bio: Ivy Starnes specializes in gaited horse training through her business Ivy's Glide Gait. Based in Fort Worth, Texas, she travels nationwide conducting three-day clinics focused on achieving smooth, relaxed gaits. Her extensive online content and training videos demonstrate that gaited horses can naturally gait on a loose rein in a relaxed frame, challenging traditional training methods in the gaited horse community. You can find her on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and www.ivyshorses.com Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! TamaraLeeBarrett.com Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Gaited Horses 02:03 Understanding Trotty Horses 04:55 Fixing the Trotty Gait 07:23 The Role of Breeding in Gait 10:01 Saddle Rack vs. Foxtrot 12:55 Finding the Right Gait 15:25 The Impact of Weight on Gait 17:46 Training Techniques for Gaited Horses 23:44 Training the Ear for Gait Recognition 24:34 Understanding Gait Differences in Horses 26:33 Achieving a Balanced Gait 29:43 The Importance of Feedback in Riding 30:10 Bitless Riding: Pros and Cons 32:36 Choosing the Right Bit for Your Horse 36:00 Using Shanked Bits for Control 43:54 Contact and Softness in Riding 52:35 Navigating Challenges in Horse Training 53:21 The Importance of Consistency in Training 54:38 Understanding Contact and Its Impact 56:56 Teaching the Rock Back Technique 01:00:33 The Balance of Telescoping and Rocking Back 01:04:37 Identifying Lameness in Gaited Horses 01:06:49 Addressing Hoof Care and Gait Issues

In part two of this conversation, Nandi Kegode shares her experiences navigating the American equestrian industry as an aspiring international athlete without major financial backing. She discusses the challenges of working through Florida and other competitive circuits, the mentors who supported her journey, and the toxic cultural dynamics she encountered in barn environments. Nandi opens up about her partnership with two other women of color who co-own her mare Idana, and their ambitious vision to create pathways for Kenyan athletes to reach top sport. The conversation explores the realities of "quirky" horses, the importance of two-way communication in training, and Nandi's vision for authentic cultural exchange through equestrian tourism in Africa. The equestrian sport is not designed to allow aspiring athletes without substantial financial backing to progress through the levels Marketing may celebrate diversity, but the industry often lacks understanding of true moral and ethical diversity Cultural differences in respect, work ethic, and interpersonal boundaries create significant challenges when navigating different barn environments Finding good mentors who prioritize horse welfare and human wellbeing is rare but essential for surviving the industry The "quirky horse" label is often an excuse for poor training, handling, or unaddressed pain rather than inherent personality True diversity in equestrianism includes cultural exchange and learning from different approaches to horsemanship worldwide Horses labeled as difficult often respond completely differently when treated with respect and proper communication You cannot terrify the rider and expect the horse to have a good experience—both must be supported Not every rider can ride every horse, and admitting that is a sign of good horsemanship Cultural exchange through equestrian tourism can provide quality education and competition experience at accessible prices You can follow Nandi Kegode on Facebook or Instagram @african.horse.woman_official and @hisia_intel Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! ⁠  Visit TamaraLeeBarrett.com Chapters [00:00] Introduction to Part 2 [00:32] Coming to America [02:08] The Reality of Diversity in Sport [05:30] Cultural Clashes in Barn Environments [08:45] Navigating Toxicity and Racism [12:36] Geographic and Economic Barriers [13:27] Learning What Not to Do [14:14] Jenni McAllister: A Role Model [16:25] McKrell and Christian: Critical Mentors [21:23] The Idana Partnership [26:58] The Plan for Idana [30:18] Equestrian Tourism Vision [32:06] The True Meaning of Diversity [36:08] How Horses Communicate [40:49] Feeling Riders Aren't Born, They're Made [42:40] The "Quirky Horse" Excuse [50:18] Becoming What We Tell Them [52:52] One-Way vs Two-Way Dialogue [54:57] When Livelihood Depends on Sales [56:06] Education in Body Language and Biomechanics [57:23] Three Fairy Godmother Wishes [58:52] The Sad Over-Correction [1:00:00] How to Follow Nandi

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, Nandi Kegode shares her unique journey in the world of horsemanship, from her early experiences in Kenya and the UK, to her transition to the US, and the challenges she faced along the way. Nandi discusses the importance of respect and communication in training horses and riders, the cultural perspectives on horsemanship, and her struggles with mental health and addiction. She emphasizes the need for emotional intelligence in both horse training and personal growth, and the significance of finding purpose through horses. The conversation highlights the complexities of tradition in equestrian sports and the importance of self-reflection and accountability in the journey of a horse person. Key Takeaways: Nandi left Kenya to pursue top sport in show jumping, which ultimately brought her to the United States Her early experiences with horses shaped her understanding of respect, learned from her father After a classical upbringing, natural horsemanship was introduced to her when she was in the UK attending boarding school The shift from communal village life to individualistic Western society contributes to mental health challenges like depression Finding purpose through horses can lead to personal growth and recovery Emotional intelligence is crucial in both horse training and personal life Tradition in horsemanship must be balanced with progress and modern understanding Respect is foundational to every interaction with horses, but must be distinguished from fear and blind followership Feeling riders develop awareness through understanding themselves first You can follow Nandi Kegode on Facebook or Instagram @african.horse.woman_official and @hisia_intel Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! ⁠  Visit TamaraLeeBarrett.com Chapters: [01:54] Introduction and Background [02:20] Leaving Kenya for Top Sport [04:19] Growing Up with Polo Ponies [04:41] Discovery of Natural Horsemanship [06:18] The Sunrise Ride Revelation [07:02] Classical Training in Kenya [08:27] Pony Club and Early Education [11:05] Natural Horsemanship in the UK [14:12] Isolation in the Showing World [15:38] Hunters in Kenya vs America [19:08] Cultural Perspectives on Feeling [21:28] Horse Welfare in Kenya [24:06] Parents' Different Approaches [26:18] Joining the US Military [29:26] Mental Health Journey Begins [30:26] Addiction and Homelessness [31:09] Children Save Her Life [32:38] The Path Back to Horses [33:06] Depression and Individualism [36:18] Understanding Respect in Practice [39:13] Normalized Sociopathic Behavior [41:18] Unqualified Trainers [42:32] Gaslighting in the Industry [46:42] Wishy-Washy to Aggressive [48:30] The Need to Walk Away [50:12] Breeding for Sensitivity [51:54] Feeling Can Be Taught [53:04] Horses as Most Abused Domestic Animals [55:03] Ignorance vs Intent [58:09] Respect vs Blind Followership [1:00:41] The Village of Accountability [1:02:35] Three Types of Respect [1:05:45] Fear is Not Respect [1:06:16] Setting Up Part 2

In this episode, host Tamara Lee Barrett sits down with Ivy Starnes of Ivy's Glide Gait, a gaited horse trainer from Fort Worth, Texas. Ivy shares her journey from a horse-naive teenager in suburban Chicago to becoming a sought-after clinician who travels the country teaching riders that the secret to perfect gait isn't found in big bits, gadgets or force—it's built on relaxation and genuine connection. Ivy emphasizes the importance of rider education and truly understanding the gaits. She also dispels common misconceptions about the training of gaited horses, and touches on the evolution of training methods that she has seen over her career. What You'll Learn: Why gaited horses are actually MORE challenging than regular horses (and why that's a good thing!) The biggest myths plaguing the gaited horse world and why they're harmful How to achieve that coveted smooth gait on a loose rein without heavy bits or shoes The importance of vertical flexion and softness in gaited horse training Why arena work is essential, even for trail horses…and even if it doesn’t happen in the arena! Ivy's approach to horse health, including the often-overlooked issues of ulcers and hoof care Takeaways: Gaited horses can do at least 5 different gaits, making them more complex to train than walk/trot/canter horses The pacey, high-headed gaited horse you see isn't the only way—or the best way Building relaxation and softness should come before pursuing speed or collection The 60-second rule: giving horses time to process what they've learned Whether you're a gaited horse owner struggling to find that perfect gait, or simply curious about these unique horses, you will love this episode. Ivy's compassionate, science-based approach proves that you can achieve beautiful results without harsh methods. Guest Bio: Ivy Starnes specializes in gaited horse training through her business Ivy's Glide Gait. Based in Fort Worth, Texas, she travels nationwide conducting three-day clinics focused on achieving smooth, relaxed gaits. Her extensive online content and training videos demonstrate that gaited horses can naturally gait on a loose rein in a relaxed frame, challenging traditional training methods in the gaited horse community. You can find her on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and ww.ivyshorses.com Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! TamaraLeeBarrett.com Chapters 00:00 - Introduction: Meet Ivy Starnes and Ivy's Glide Gait 01:33 - From Suburban Chicago to Horse Training 07:41 - The "You Can't Do That" Challenge 09:47 - Clinic Life: Teaching All Levels 12:17 - Gaited Horse Propaganda Debunked 15:10 - The Challenge Factor: Why Gaited Horses Are Actually Harder 24:47 - Does Correct Gait Really Matter? 29:43 - Training Approach: Clinics vs. Long-term 36:19 - Breaking Up Bad Movement Patterns 40:00 - Vision for Industry Change 44:45 - Meet Firefly: Ivy's Personal Horse 51:51 - Life Lessons from Horses 53:41 - Corner Turners: The Dressage Group That Changed Everything 56:33 - Three Horse-Related Wishes 59:01 - Where to Find Ivy

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, host Tamara Lee Barrett sits down with Show Jumping Hall of Fame inductee Linda Allen and USES co-founder McKrell Baier to explore the design, values, and structure of the U.S. Equestrian Society’s LevelUP Events. Together, they unpack how this bold new format reimagines equestrian competition through the lens of: Ethical equine treatment Holistic rider development Transparent judging and feedback Education-centered event design Listeners will hear Linda Allen’s reflections on her six-decade career as a course designer, judge, and coach—and why she believes now is the moment for structural change in the sport. McKrell Baier shares how USES is building a more inclusive and values-led infrastructure—one that empowers both students and coaches while strengthening welfare and access at every level. From redefining “success” in the show ring to rebalancing the student–coach dynamic, this episode offers a practical and visionary look at where equestrian sport can go when care and clarity lead the way. Learn More!  Linda Allen – Show Jumping Hall of Fame Inductee, Course Designer & Coach Linda Allen’s six-decade career in show jumping encompasses world-class riding, FEI-level judging, Olympic course design, and strategic leadership in equestrian education. Inducted into the Show Jumping Hall of Fame in 2022, she was one of the original FEI Level 4 Course Designers and designed the 1996 Olympic and 1992 World Cup Final jumping courses. She has served as Technical Delegate at major championships and presided over FEI Ground Juries globally. A veteran clinician, consultant, and educator, Linda co-founded the Young Horse Trainers’ School, coached international teams to podium success, and earned top honors from USEF and The Chronicle of the Horse. Her published work includes 101 Jumping Exercises for Horse and Rider and the JumpSmart instructional DVD, with contributions to EquestrianCoach.com. You can learn more at LindaAllenEquestrian.com McKrell Baier – USES Co-Founder, Ethics Architect & Learning Innovator McKrell Baier is a founding force behind the U.S. Equestrian Society and a lead designer of its LevelUP programs—shaping a new era of sport through ethical frameworks, inclusive learning models, and coach licensing reform. With a background in curriculum design, coaching systems, and nonprofit governance, McKrell has helped define how USES elevates equine welfare, rider development, and competition access across disciplines. She led the creation of the LevelUP Event model and helped reimagine scoring, format design, and professional standards for coaches, students, and facilities. A frequent contributor to national equestrian strategy conversations, McKrell’s work centers on building systems that reflect the values of care, clarity, and community—while still challenging the sport to evolve. You can find the United States Equestrian Society on Instagram and at us-es.org Don't Forget To Follow, Subscribe, Rate The Show, and Follow Our Socials! TamaraLeeBarrett.com Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:25 Innovative Approaches in Equestrian Education 04:32 Character Development in Horse Sport 09:15 The Role of Coaches and Students 14:14 Understanding Client vs. Student Dynamics 19:52 The Spectrum of Equestrian Goals 24:04 Personal Experiences in Equestrian Training 27:47 The Importance of Pedagogics in Coaching 30:43 Understanding Individual Coaching Needs 32:57 The Importance of Basics in Riding 35:27 Level Up Program: A New Approach to Learning 41:22 Event Format and Structure 47:05 Judging and Feedback Dynamics 59:51 Building Character Through Riding 01:05:48 Evolving Traditions in Equestrian Sports 01:10:31 Innovative Event Formats for Equestrian Competitions 01:15:53 Engaging Spectators through Creative Riding Events 01:22:01 Building Community and Inclusivity in Equestrianism

In this episode of the Optimized Equine Podcast, rider biomechanics expert Erica Poseley reflects on her journey with horses and the 'corner turners' who have shaped her approach to riding, training and teaching. Erica emphasizes the importance of understanding horse behavior and how they learn, as well as the significance of the rider’s position–no matter the discipline or goal!  About Erica:  Erica Poseley is a Rider Biomechanics expert with a diploma in Equitation Science from Equitation Science International. Erica's journey to becoming an expert in these fields began long before her work in rider biomechanics and equitation science. Erica has been riding since she was very young, but never had a formal riding lesson until she graduated from UCLA with a degree in philosophy and moved to Maui, Hawaii. There she started dressage lessons and bought her first horse after seeing a book in the Lahaina Library entitled My Horses, My Teachers by Podhajsky the former head of the Spanish Riding School. She was mesmerized by the beauty of the riders and the horses and this love of correct dressage training and beautiful posture still motivates her daily to ride correctly and teach others to uphold this high standard of excellence.  Fast forward and Erica moved to California to pursue her dreams of becoming a professional trainer. She apprenticed with the late Liz Searle and Jeff Moore and also got to ride with The Baron von Blixen Finecke, an Olympic gold medalist, who was a great influencer in how Erica thinks of training and posture.  Fast forward a bit more and Erica started working with another wonderful teacher, Sandy Howard, who then introduced her to Mary Wanless. Erica has been studying with Mary for the last 30 years and is an accredited Ride with Your Mind coach. Needless to say, Mary has been a huge influence in her knowledge of rider biomechanics. Through Mary and her top coach, Ali Wakelin, Erica heard about the work of Dr. Andrew McLean. Dr. McLean is one of the founding fathers of equitation science. Equitation science is the application of scientific principles, particularly learning theory, to understand and improve interactions between horses and humans.  In 2019, Erica earned her diploma in equitation science from Equitation Science International and since then, she's been passionate about sharing this transformative knowledge with riders and coaches. What makes Erica's approach unique is how she combines the science of how horses learn with the biomechanics of effective riding, creating a powerful foundation for clear, humane communication between horse and rider.  You can learn more about Erica and her work at www.gotseat.com Visit tamaraleebarrett.com for more info, episodes and to follow our socials! Chapters 00:00 Introduction 14:30 Training with Masters 17:19 The Importance of Rider Biomechanics 19:36 Understanding Rider Influence 22:47 The Journey into Equitation Science 25:25 Learning Theory and Horse Training 28:07 Precision in Communication with Horses 30:59 The Complexity of Training Aids 33:35 The Evolution of Riding Techniques 35:52 Understanding Light Pressure in Riding 37:11 Behavioral Insights from Equine Studies 39:02 Interpreting Horse Behavior and Needs 43:28 Addressing High Pressure in Horses 45:52 Defining Good Horsemanship 49:02 Eternal Passion and Learning 51:09 The Journey of Improvement 54:05 Connecting Riding and Skiing 56:49 The Disconnect in Horse Training 59:44 Coaching and Responsibility 01:01:50 Corner Turners: Influential Figures in Riding 01:10:13 Integrating Biomechanics and Equitation Science 01:14:51 Understanding Horse Learning and Rider Communication 01:16:34 The Emotional Spectrum in Horse Training 01:21:10 Wishes for the Future of Equestrian Education 01:25:28 Advocating for Horse Welfare and Modern Training Practices