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2026/07/14
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Volunteering is changing — and bold leaders are rising to shift the system. Hosted by Tracey O’Neill — visionary consultant, mentor, trainer, and unapologetic disruptor — Making a Ruckus shakes up how we understand volunteering, leadership, and community. More than a podcast, it’s a movement to challenge old systems, measure what matters, and lead with courage, care, and connection.
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Volunteering Is Not an Add-On: Inside the New US National Volunteer Strategy
2026/07/14
I read a lot of volunteering strategy documents. Most of them don't make me stop.
The new Points of Light US National Volunteer Strategy did.
One line on page 13, Principle 2: make volunteering a core strategic function, not an add-on.
People in volunteer engagement have been making this argument for decades. But I have never seen it named as a principle in a national strategy, with the why and the how laid out alongside it.
In this episode, I unpack why this framing matters. Why the standard advice in most national strategies and frameworks — invest in infrastructure — only takes organisations so far. What the gap between investment and change actually looks like in practice. And the question every organisation should be asking about volunteer engagement, starting Monday morning.
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Links:
Read the Points of Light National Volunteer Strategy: a roadmap for engaging more Americans in purposeful volunteering by 2035.Read Volunteering Australia's National Strategy for Volunteering 2023-2033.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O’Neill Consulting
The Hidden Impact of Volunteering
2026/07/03
What if some of the most important work in volunteer engagement happens long before anyone ever signs up to volunteer?
In this episode of Making a Ruckus, I explore the idea of hidden impact – the conversations, connections and moments of belonging that rarely appear in our reports, but shape communities in profound ways.
Drawing on a story from last week's conversation with Tom Gill and introducing the thinking behind my emerging Campfire Model, I challenge the assumption that community connection only matters if it leads to recruitment.
Instead, I ask a different question: what if connection is an outcome in its own right?
If you've ever felt that your impact reports capture what volunteers do but miss what volunteer engagement creates, this episode will encourage you to look beyond hours, headcounts and applications, and reconsider what counts as meaningful work.
Because perhaps our role isn't just to process people once they arrive.
Perhaps it's to make the distance between community and volunteering shorter in the first place.
Want to hear more?
Sign up for my newsletter for more rethinking on volunteer engagement, impact, and making a ruckus.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a Ruckus.
Links:
Listen to episode 17 with Tom Gill, "People don't want to volunteer. They want to belong" where we explore community, belonging and the barriers that stop people from volunteering.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O’Neill Consulting
People Don't Want to Volunteer. They Want to Belong: a conversation with Tom Gill
2026/06/23
Tom Gill doesn't work in the volunteering sector. He's a cultural placemaking consultant and writer for The Guardian, who spends his career studying how cities and communities create connection.
So, when he wanted to find community for himself, he didn't start with the research. He went looking for it in person, in his own neighbourhood.
In this episode, Tom and I talk about what he found: what happened when he tried to volunteer, why the invitation to get involved can feel more like a job application than an invitation at all, and what gets lost when connection moves online.
This one's for anyone who shapes how people first encounter your organisation, and for anyone who's wondered what volunteering might look like if we designed it around people and place rather than process.
Want to hear more? Sign up for my newsletter at www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.au for fortnightly thinking on volunteer engagement, impact, and making a ruckus.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a Ruckus.
Mentioned:
Tom's website and Substack: www.Tom-gill.comFollow Tom on Instagram: @tomgillTom's article How to find community in 2025: ‘The most important thing I’ve learned is I’m not alone’Tom's article Write a card, read a poem, take fewer photos: how to feel more human in 2026Tom Gill's profile on The GuardianRobert Putnam's Bowling AloneHugh Mackay's books
Organisations mentioned
Red Frogs, AustraliaRiding for the Disabled, UKVolunteering AustraliaConnecting the CauseCity of Melbourne, Visitor ServicesAustralian Neighbourhood Houses and Centres
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Learn more: traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O’Neill Consulting
Measuring What Matters in Volunteer Engagement
2026/06/16
"What gets measured gets managed."
It's one of the most repeated phrases in leadership and reporting. But what if it's led us to pay attention to all the wrong things?
In this episode of Making a Ruckus: Rethinking Volunteer Engagement, Tracey explores what happens when volunteer engagement is reduced to numbers, headcounts and hours. Through two powerful stories from her own practice, she reflects on the moments that shaped how she thinks about impact, attention, and the limits of measurement.
Because sometimes the numbers tell us everything is fine when something important has been lost. And sometimes the most significant impact of volunteering ripples out in ways no annual report could ever capture.
If you've ever struggled to explain the true value of volunteering to leaders, boards or funders — or wondered whether the reports you're producing are telling the whole story — this conversation is for you.
Perhaps the question isn't whether we're measuring enough.
Perhaps it's whether we're noticing what matters.
Want to hear more? Sign up for my newsletter at www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.au for more rethinking on volunteer engagement, impact, and making a ruckus.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a Ruckus.
Mentioned:
Sue Carter Kahl Making a Ruckus interview Sue's article Beyond Measurement: Cultivating Attention and Aliveness
Connect:
Learn more: traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O’Neill Consulting
Not Everything That Matters Can Be Counted: a conversation with Sue Carter Kahl
2026/06/09
What if the most important impacts of volunteering can't be counted?
In this episode of Making a Ruckus, Tracey is joined by volunteerism researcher, writer, and thought leader Sue Carter Kahl, whose work has challenged volunteer engagement professionals around the world to rethink how we understand and talk about impact.
Sue shares insights from more than 30 years in the sector, including the research behind her doctoral dissertation, Making the Invisible Visible, and her ongoing work exploring the multidimensional value of volunteering.
Together, Tracey and Sue unpack why so many organisations remain stuck reporting volunteer numbers, hours, and dollar values — and why, even when we do get more creative with data, it often still doesn't shift minds or unlock resources. Because the real barrier might not be the data at all. It might be the unexamined beliefs about volunteering that are unintentionally shaping decisions at every level of our organisations.
They explore:
Why hours and wage replacement rarely tell the full story of volunteeringHow to uncover and articulate the outcomes that matter mostPractical ways to move beyond counting activities and start capturing impactThe role of stories, relationships, and "witnessing" in understanding changeWhy leaders of volunteer engagement shouldn't wait for permission to tell better storiesThe hidden beliefs about volunteering that may be blocking change — and how to surface them
This conversation is about more than impact reporting. It's about what's at stake when we reduce volunteering to economic value — and what we risk losing if we start to commodify community. It's about the future of volunteer engagement itself: the stories we tell, the assumptions we challenge, and the role volunteering can play in building stronger, more connected communities.
If you've ever felt frustrated that volunteer reports don't capture what you know is happening in your community, this conversation will give you practical ideas, fresh language, and permission to think differently.
Because not everything that matters can be counted. And not everything that can be counted is what matters most.
Want to hear more? Sign up for my newsletter at www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.au for weekly thinking on volunteer engagement, impact, and making a ruckus.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a Ruckus.
Mentioned:
Sue Carter Kahl Volunteer Commons websiteConnect with Sue on LinkedIn: @sue-carter-kahlSue's article "I Love Tracking My Volunteer Hours! - No Volunteer Ever"Sue's article "Trading Measurement for Witnessing"IAVE's Call to Action for the Future of Volunteering
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Learn more: traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O’Neill Consulting
The Real Work of Volunteer Engagement
2026/06/02
Season 3 of Making a Ruckus opens with a question that came out mid-sentence in a workshop, surprised the room, and hasn't left Tracey since.
What if the real work of volunteer engagement is the work we keep putting off?
Drawing on two stories from her own career, Tracey reflects on what happens when relationship-building gets squeezed out by operational demands, why the most important impacts of volunteering stay invisible to the leaders who most need to see them, and what it costs when nobody notices.
Whether you're a leader of volunteer engagement, CEO, board member, or someone passionate about creating meaningful volunteer experiences, this episode will challenge you to think differently about what volunteering makes possible.
Because if we can't see the value volunteering creates, we can't protect it, resource it, or make the case for it.
Want more? Sign up for my newsletter at www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.au for weekly thinking on volunteer engagement, impact, and making a ruckus.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a Ruckus.
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Join the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
Volunteer Love Languages: Designing Belonging
2026/03/24
Over the past couple of months on Making a Ruckus, I’ve been exploring volunteer engagement through the lens of Volunteer Love Languages.
Not to label people.
But to notice something that doesn’t always get talked about.
That people don’t just volunteer in different ways — they experience volunteering differently.
And that shapes what keeps them there.
Some people stay because they can contribute.Some stay because they feel seen.Some stay because of the connection.Some stay because they have something that reminds them of what they’ve done.Some stay because the space feels warm, human… like they belong.
In this final episode, I bring all five love languages together and explore what they reveal about the volunteer experience — and why paying attention to this can help you create environments where more people feel connected, valued and able to stay.
If you’ve been listening along, this episode will help you see the full picture.
If you’re new, it’s a great place to start — and then go back and explore each episode in the series.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a Ruckus.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
Physical Touch in Volunteer Engagement: When Care is Felt, Not Just Done
2026/03/18
Physical touch is one of the most misunderstood — and often avoided — aspects of volunteer engagement.
In professional settings, it raises important questions about boundaries, safety, and risk.So many organisations respond by removing it altogether.
But what gets lost when we do that?
In this episode, Tracey explores the love language of Physical Touch — not as something to apply, but as a way of understanding how some volunteers express care, offer reassurance, and create a sense of safety for others.
This conversation moves beyond touch itself, and into something deeper:presence, human connection, and care that is experienced — not just delivered.
We’ll explore:
• Why physical touch can feel uncomfortable in volunteer settings• What science tells us about touch, connection, and the nervous system• The difference between physical touch and embodied presence• How trauma-informed practice and consent shape safe interactions• How to recognise volunteers who bring warmth and emotional awareness• The hidden emotional labour of presence-based roles• How to create environments that balance connection with clear boundaries
This episode invites leaders to reconsider what professionalism looks like — and what might be lost when warmth and connection is removed in the name of safety.
Because sometimes the most powerful thing a volunteer offers…is simply being there.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a Ruckus.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
Receiving Gifts in Volunteer Engagement: When Appreciation Becomes Something You Can Hold Onto
2026/03/10
Receiving Gifts is often the volunteer love language that makes organisations the most uncomfortable.
Volunteering is frequently framed as altruistic — something people do without expecting anything in return. Because of this, tangible gestures of appreciation can feel unnecessary, or they become standardised tokens given to everyone.
But what if gifts aren’t really about the object at all?
In this episode of Making a Ruckus, Tracey explores Receiving Gifts as a volunteer love language — and how tangible symbols can help people hold onto moments of contribution, recognition and belonging.
Drawing on stories from practice, including a powerful moment with a volunteer named Rae, this episode explores:
why gifts can feel complicated in volunteer cultures
how tangible gestures anchor memories of contribution
the difference between generic recognition and meaningful symbols
how policies and fairness can unintentionally make appreciation feel impersonal
ways leaders can design recognition that reinforces belonging rather than branding
Because sometimes the most meaningful gift isn’t what it costs.
It’s what it represents.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a Ruckus.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
Quality Time in Volunteer Engagement: When Presence Builds Belonging
2026/03/04
When the Moments Between the Tasks Matter Most
Some volunteers stay because of the moments between the tasks.
For volunteers who value Quality Time, shared experience isn’t a bonus — it’s what gives volunteering meaning.
Not every volunteer role naturally includes long conversations or team bonding. And this episode isn’t about adding hours to your already busy schedule as a leader of volunteers.
This episode is about attention.
It’s about how time is structured, who it’s shared with, and what our patterns of presence quietly communicate.
In this episode, we explore:
What Quality Time really means in volunteer engagementWhere it exists in volunteer rolesWhere it must be intentionally designedWhat happens when connection slowly fades awayThe difference between availability and presenceHow small, structured choices protect share experiencesWhy protecting these moments strengthens volunteer retention and sustainability
Volunteering can be organised, efficient and well-managed…and still make people feel disconnected.
Efficiency keeps programs running.
Quality Time keeps people staying.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a Ruckus.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
Words of Affirmation in Volunteer Engagement: When “Thank You” Isn’t Enough
2026/02/24
When Being Seen Is More Than Being Thanked
Leaders of volunteer engagement are often excellent at recognition.
We say thank you.
We run awards nights.
We celebrate National Volunteer Week.
But for some volunteers, “thank you” isn’t the thing they’re listening for.
They’re listening for indicators that they belong.
They want to understand the difference they make.
They want to know where they fit.
They want to hear their contribution named in a way that strengthens belonging.
In this episode, we explore:
Why generic gratitude can feel hollowThe difference between appreciation and affirmationHow to recognise volunteers who value Words of AffirmationWhat it looks like to build a culture of noticing — not just recognition eventsHow affirmation strengthens psychological safety, retention, and sustainabilityThe kids of volunteer roles that might appeal to those who value Words of Affirmation
Words of Affirmation is the easiest love language to attend to.
It’s also the easiest to dilute.
Because when contribution isn’t clearly visible, belonging becomes fragile.
This episode isn’t about praising volunteers more.
It’s about making volunteer contribution visible — consistently, specifically, and culturally.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a ruckus.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
Acts of Service in Volunteer Engagement
2026/02/17
Rethinking "It's Always the Same People"
In this episode of Making a Ruckus, we explore Acts of Service as a volunteer love language — and what it means for leaders of volunteer engagement and volunteer management.
If you've ever said, "It's always the same people who step up," this episode is for you.
Some volunteers express care and commitment through actin. They respond quickly, thrive in urgency, and feel most connected when they are useful. But there's an important distinction between willingness and endless capacity — and many volunteer systems unintentionally reward over-giving.
In this episode we discuss:
Why urgency activates certain volunteersThe difference between reliability and resilience in volunteer leadershipHow volunteer engagement systems can reward availability over sustainabilitySigns of burnout in highly reliable volunteersPractical strategies for designing volunteer roles without creating dependency
This episode is for volunteer managers, leaders of volunteer engagement, nonprofit leaders, and anyone responsible for volunteer retention and sustainability.
The goal isn't to stop volunteers from stepping up.
It's to ensure stepping up remains a choice — not an expectation.
Be Bold. Stay Curious. Keep making a ruckus.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
When Volunteering Ends
2025/12/16
In the Season 1 finale of Making a Ruckus, Tracey O’Neill reflects on one of the most overlooked moments in volunteer engagement: what happens when volunteering ends.
Too often, the end of a volunteer role is treated as an administrative exit — rosters updated, keys returned, surveys sent, and relationships quietly closed. But what if this moment holds more possibility than we realise?
In this episode, Tracey explores why the way organisations approach the end of volunteering can either weaken or deepen connection. Drawing on a community-centred lens, she invites listeners to reconsider “exit” and to imagine what becomes possible when relationships are stewarded with care, curiosity, and intention.
This conversation isn’t about expecting lifelong service. It’s about recognising that when people feel welcomed, valued, listened to, and part of meaningful change, their connection doesn’t simply disappear when a role finishes — it evolves.
When volunteering ends, the relationship doesn’t have to.
Stay bold, stay curious — and keep making a ruckus.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
Rob Jackson: Three Decades In — Still Making a Ruckus
2025/12/09
For our very first interview on Making a Ruckus, I’m joined by someone who has shaped the thinking of volunteer engagement professionals around the world for more than 30 years — Rob Jackson.
In this wide-ranging and deeply energising conversation, we look back at three decades of volunteer engagement:what’s changed, what hasn’t, and what still desperately needs a rethink.
Rob reflects on the biggest shifts he’s seen — the hopeful ones and the uncomfortable ones — and together we unpack some of the assumptions, biases, and long-running debates that continue to hold our sector back.
We dive into:
The myths and mental models that refuse to die
Why some conversations from the 90s are still happening today
What volunteer involvement could look like if we stopped trying to fit people into outdated boxes
The risks and possibilities of AI for our field
Rob also reads his powerful reflection Stewards of Hope — a moment that will stay with you long after the episode ends.
And we debut the Ruckus Round, a rapid-fire set of questions that invites Rob to share what he’s rethinking, what he’s wrestling with, and the one ruckus he believes we must still make.
If you’re ready for a conversation that honours where we’ve been and challenges where we’re heading, this episode is for you.
Stay bold, stay curious — and keep making a ruckus.
Mention:
Rob Jackson Consulting websiteRob Jackson's podcast; Advancing the ProfessionRob Jackson Consulting's blogRob's LinkedIn reflection; Stewards of HopeRob's blog post: Three reasons why it's time to stop talking about amateurs and professionalsEngage JournalRahim Hirji's newsletter, Box of AmazingConnect:
Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
Recognition Isn’t Enough: The Part We’re All Missing
2025/12/02
This year’s International Volunteer Day launches the 2026 UN International Year of Volunteers for Sustainable Development — and there has never been a more important time to rethink how we recognise and value volunteers.
In this episode, Tracey O’Neill flips the script on traditional volunteer appreciation. Instead of asking “How do we thank volunteers for what they do?”, she asks the bigger question:
“How do we honour who volunteers are — and the strengths they bring that shape culture, community and impact?”
Drawing on more than 25 years of experience, Tracey introduces her Four Pillars of Volunteer Appreciation — Recognition, Reward, Participation and Progression — and explores how leaders of volunteer engagement can move beyond morning teas and certificates to activate strengths, shift systems and influence organisational culture.
She unpacks how Participation and Progression aren’t just ways to value volunteers, but powerful practices that position leaders of volunteer engagement as cultural leaders — shaping belonging, voice, inclusion and leadership across the organisation.
Here’s the shift we’ve been waiting for: seeing volunteer engagement as culture work, not administrative work.
If we want a more inclusive, equitable, community-centred future, then Participation and Progression must sit at the heart of our recognition practices.
If you’re ready to shift from “thank-you strategies” to practices that elevate voice, leadership and belonging, this episode will spark new ways of thinking.
Every contribution matters. Every contribution begins with strengths. And recognition is only the beginning.
Stay bold, stay curious — and keep making a ruckus.
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Learn more: www.traceyoneillconsulting.com.auJoin the conversation on LinkedIn: @traceyoneillcvaFollow on Instagram: @tracey.volunteerengagementFollow on Facebook: Tracey O'Neill Consulting
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