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25 episodes
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Kara MillerExplicit
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Date created
2025/10/30
Latest episode
2026/09/18
Average duration
41 min.
Release period
15 days
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"It Turns Out" reveals the hidden realities reshaping our world—from how marriage impacts inequality to the way that the tax code has transformed wealth. Through conversations with experts who challenge conventional wisdom, award-winning journalist Kara Miller focuses each episode on groundbreaking research, changing how listeners see society, economics, technology, and human behavior. “It Turns Out” delves into data that directly impacts your life—whether you know it or not. You can reach us at [email protected] We gratefully acknowledge the support of the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. This work was done under Grant No. G-2025-79141.
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Bosses ordered people back to work. Where are they?
2026/09/18
Despite endless corporate press releases and return-to-office mandates, the data reveals a surprising truth: the number of days worked from home has remained completely flat since 2023.
Stanford economist Nick Bloom tells Kara what's going on, who's missing, and what the future holds.
He also explains how work is impacting mental health, productivity, real estate prices, young workers, and - if you can believe it - fertility.
In the show, we reference our show on "Should Americans have more kids?." You can find it here.
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How do you get rich in America? Not the way you think.
2026/09/04
There's a big spotlight - and a lot of resistance to - billionaires, from Elon Musk to Larry Ellison. But we’re missing an under-the-radar revolution in American wealth.
The country is minting far more multimillionaires than it used to: People who make money in ways you might never think about, in amounts you can barely dream of. And these folks tend to be anonymous - but incredibly influential - urging politicians to shift the tax burden away from them. Will that pull the ladder up for the next generation?
Princeton’s Owen Zidar, co-author of the new book The Everywhere Millionaire, joins Kara to talk about what we miss about wealth in America (plus, renting out Versailles for your wedding).
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How the rich escaped taxation. Ray Madoff’s argument, revisited.
2026/08/21
Over the last 40 years, many of the wealthiest Americans have effectively seceded from taxation.
While regular Americans - from teachers to surgeons - often pay between 25 and 50% of their income in taxes, lots of billionaires pay 5% (or less) in taxes each year. And their heirs can inherit fortunes tax free.
How have we let this happen? And why don't more people know about it?
Boston College scholar Ray Madoff - author of The Second Estate - talks about what's going on.
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How marriage divides us. Melissa Kearney’s case, revisited
2026/08/07
Why do affluent suburbs in Boston and Houston vote completely differently, yet share one surprising thing in common? Economist Melissa Kearney, author of The Two-Parent Privilege, reveals that one of America's most consequential divides isn't about red states versus blue states. It's about whether you're raising kids with a partner, and the economic advantages are stark and surprising.
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How to extend life - and where the science stands
2026/07/24
What do scientists know about how to live longer - and maximize the number of years that you're healthy?
Princeton molecular biologist Coleen Murphy explains what you can do now, which pharmaceutical is having an unexpected effect on longevity, and why the next few years are so promising. Murphy also talks about the science of predicting how long we'll live.
But she has deep concerns about the Trump administration's cuts to the National Institutes of Health, and how those cuts will set back longevity research. Which may mean that the next big breakthrough comes from China.
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Miami, Mamdani, and the War over Wealth
2026/07/10
Are the ultra-wealthy playing a high-stakes game of dodgeball with American cities? As states float the idea of heavy wealth taxes, billionaires are increasingly moving their addresses—and their yachts—to tax havens like Miami. But does this wealth migration spell doom for blue cities?
In this episode of It Turns Out, Kara sits down with renowned urban scholar Richard Florida to decode the new geography of extreme wealth. And Florida explains why politicians like NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani - who famously picked a fight with billionaire Ken Griffin - may herald a new progressivism, an era in which the pendulum swings against the Trumpian embrace of mega fortunes.
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Why have kids left public school?
2026/06/26
Since 2020, more than a million kids have left American public schools. Meanwhile, enrollment in private schools and homeschooling has risen. What's going on? Have parents lost faith in public schools? And which sorts of kids are most likely to leave?
Kara speaks with Thomas Dee, a professor at Stanford Graduate School of Education, who has tracked students' movement out of public schools. How do fights over advanced math - and challenging content - affect schools' ability to retain students? How will a fast-growing school choice movement further reshape schools?
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Longevity: What we get wrong
2026/06/12
For two decades, the global phenomenon of "Blue Zones" has shaped how we eat, live, and invest in our health. But what if the data behind these longevity hotspots doesn't quite stack up?
In this episode of It Turns Out, Kara Miller sits down with Dr. Saul Justin Newman, a senior research fellow at Oxford and University College London and author of Morbid (MIT Press).
Dr. Newman exposes the staggering reality behind world-famous longevity claims—from pension fraud and missing records that inflated centenarian counts in Japan, Greece, and Italy, to the commercial conflicts driving the industry. Tune in as we talk about purple sweet potatoes and anti-aging supplements to reveal what medical science actually says about living a longer, healthier life.
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Being social scares us. It also makes us happier.
2026/05/29
What if being more social could change your life?
University of Chicago behavioral scientist Nicholas Epley talks with Kara about the surprising bump in happiness we get from being a little more social.
Being less lonely also has huge health benefits that often go unrecognized. But, as Epley points out, people routinely overestimate how unpleasant it will be to reach out to others. And they almost always underestimate how enjoyable the discussions will be.
Why do we put up these barriers to our own happiness? And how can introverts and extroverts effectively change their behavior?
Epley is the author, most recently, of A Little More Social (Knopf).
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Is College Worth It? (Plus, waitlists and marriage markets)
2026/05/15
Is a college degree actually worth it, or do universities simply accept students who were already destined for success?
Using a clever natural experiment - in an era when lots more folks doubt the usefulness of a college degree - University of Chicago economist Jack Mountjoy tries to figure out whether college really pays off. And for who?
Plus, how does your life change when you get off a waiting list from an elite college? And how are your marriage prospects altered depending on your major?
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What we get wrong about weight and nutrition
2026/05/01
Former NIH researcher Kevin Hall explains the science of why we eat what we eat, and debunks persistent myths about willpower, metabolism, and protein. He shares his startling findings from studying The Biggest Loser contestants—revealing why extreme exercise doesn’t prevent metabolic slowing—and explains how our modern food environment is engineered to override our conscious control. Plus, why MAHA has some good ideas, but isn’t on track to make America much healthier.
Hall is a co-author of Food Intelligence, published by Avery Books.
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Should Americans have more kids?
2026/04/17
The fertility rate in America has fallen more than 20 percent in the last two decades. Why is this happening, and should we try to turn it around?
The drop is even more stark, if you look back several decades, to a time when women were having - on average - close to four kids each.
Kara is joined by Notre Dame economist Kasey Buckles, who argues that the numbers aren't what they seem.
She explains why the post-war "Baby Boom" was actually a historical anomaly, and discusses whether the Trump administration's proposed $5,000 baby bonuses might actually move the needle.
Plus, could increasing political divisions between men and women be slowing family formation?
And which segments of society are most likely to say they aren’t having the number of children they want?
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Why white collar jobs are heading to China
2026/04/03
A generation ago, a "China Shock" decimated American manufacturing. Today, a second wave is looming—and this time, it’s coming for engineers, scientists, and tech professionals.
In this episode, Kara sits down with MIT economist David Autor to discuss why the U.S. is uniquely unprepared for China Shock 2.0. From the "apex predators" of the Chinese EV market to the rapid migration of biotech innovation to the East, Autor explains why American "chauvinism" and a political attention span he describes as being similar to "a squirrel on cocaine" are putting our most strategic industries at risk.
We explore the existential threat to companies like Ford, the potential hollowing out of hubs like Cambridge and Silicon Valley, and the "callous" myth that displaced workers can simply re-train for a new career.
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The Real Reason Billionaires Want to Go to Space
2026/03/20
What happens when the world’s most powerful tech leaders decide they are the architects of humanity's future? Astrophysicist Adam Becker, author of More Everything Forever, takes a hard look at the "Plan B" visions of Silicon Valley’s elite.
From Elon Musk’s mission to colonize a "poisonous" Mars to Jeff Bezos’ dream of trillion-person space colonies, Becker argues that these blueprints are often more science fiction than scientific fact.
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The Betting States of America
2026/03/06
What happens when a culture is suddenly engulfed by 24/7 betting, wagering, and prediction markets?
In this episode of It Turns Out, host Kara Miller sits down with Dr. Timothy Fong, a psychiatrist and co-director of the UCLA Gambling Studies Program, to explore the hidden costs of America's new favorite pastime: "solitude entertainment."
From the staggering story of a student who drained his $180,000 college fund in just 18 months, to the psychological traps of treating apps like DraftKings and Polymarket as second jobs, Fong explains how the normalization of digital gambling is rewiring our brains and deepening the wealth gap.
Discover the science behind addiction, the reality of why the house always wins, and what this unprecedented surge in financial risk-taking means for society's future.
For more on the massive growth of sports gambling, check out the work of The Journalist's Resource at Harvard's Shorenstein Center.
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KW 44 2026/09/10
How the Rich escape taxation
I wish the presenter was questioned about opting for a consumption tax to get the wealthy to pay taxes more fairly than taxing wealth and success. Tar...
Maggie-dawg 2026/09/04
Interesting!
Enjoyable educational discussions. Kara is a great host. Good measured speaking patterns and very few fluff words. Mundane academic topics are discuss...
erinohara 2026/08/11
High quality conversations
Incredibly thoughtful conversations with actual experts in the field being discussed. Grateful for high quality information out there like this!
indy jones 11 2026/06/19
Great, except
Great podcast, except for Longevity episode. So out of character with the series.
Blahgonator 2026/05/18
Great Guests, Great Questions, Great Show!
Kara's guests are always top-notch experts in their field, and she seems to always come up with questions that get them sharing their expertise, then ...
Docneoapis 2026/04/16
Balanced logical pod cast. Refreshing
Finally a pod cast about the world we live in without extremism being the “hook.” Good work!
ghostlevel83 2026/04/09
This show is special!
I love this show and I hope she continues to put out episodes regularly. It's a special place in the podcast world. Interesting topics that aren't bra...
AnclialTS 2026/04/02
Excellent Show
I wish there were 100 episodes, great way to elevate research in public discourse. I’d love for Kara to ask each guest what they don’t know yet at the...
Sheri 6886 2026/03/27
Food For Thought
Interesting topics, thoughtful questions and insight! I wish we could get everyone to listen - unfortunately I think sometimes the people who need inf...
True believer3 2026/03/26
A penny telling a dollar it’s worth worthless
Just listen to the episode with the Astro physicist talking about the SpaceX exploration and I gotta say I’m pretty sure Elon Musk could run circles a...
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