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Bruna tried very hard to be zen about being stuck in Hawaii even though it took 55 hours and two cancelled flights to get home. Cath walked out of a Pilates class halfway through, in front of everyone, in a t-shirt that looked like she’d dressed out of a bin. Ginni swapped the hardest day of an Italian hike for a ferry packed with 500,000 of her closest friends, and we all learned what a crampon is. (Not a hiking tampon.) Plus, the Substack that told Gen X women they were sold a myth. And a listener whose daughter came home to find her bed replaced with a Pilates reformer. In your ears today: Ginni Mansberg, Bruna Papandrea and Cath Mahoney. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Audio Editor Scott Stronach Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Subscribe here for 30% off your annual Mamamia subscription for Black Friday with code BLACK30. Code applied at the checkout. Offer ends November 30. Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sally was unprepared for an overseas mishap as a single parent. Annaliese steps in for Cath and shares how she’s entered the era of “having a fall” rather than simply falling over. Mary gave a friend some tough love, and it paid off, but it’s a risky move to pull. Plus, the extremely unscientific reasons we’re all getting injured in our sleep after 40 (Ginni was sorely needed for this one… or perhaps Dr Bruna Papandrea). And a listener whose sister left her out of the bridal party. The hosts’ advice? It involves a white dress. In your ears today: Mary Coustas, Sally Hepworth and Annaliese Todd, filling in for Cath Mahoney. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Skip the 12-week waitlist. Subscribe to Mamamia today and you’ll automatically go in the draw to win a $5,000 B2C Furniture voucher to spend online or in-store on pieces available right now. Subscribe today. T&Cs apply. Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Cath flew one-way across the country to meet a man she had already married in her head, and he cried instead of consummating. Bruna discovered she had been paying someones phone bill for two and a half years, to the tune of five grand. Mary's mum stormed a bank teller into a discount and came back with the hair to prove it. And Cath slid into a 24-year-old's DMs, purely, she swears, for the history content. Plus: the skin check Bruna avoided for years, the mentoring session that ended one woman's acting dreams, and the Unleasher wondering if 40 is too old to start again. Medical and pre-operative advice varies by individual; always follow the fasting and medication instructions given by your treating medical practitioner or anaesthetist. In your ears today: Bruna Papandrea, Mary Coustas and Cath Mahoney. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Skip the 12-week waitlist. Subscribe to Mamamia today and you’ll automatically go in the draw to win a $5,000 B2C Furniture voucher to spend online or in-store on pieces available right now. Subscribe today. T&Cs apply. Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Grace went in for a friendly hello hug and came out with a handful she didn't ask for. Ginni got pulled up by immigration over a joke about cathedrals and thought her holiday was over. Grace also wants to outsource half her husband and most of her son, starting with his ears. And Cath got the best test results of her life and somehow felt worse than ever. Plus: the party guest who needed an ambulance, the neighbours whose sex life runs like clockwork, and the Unleasher who paid nearly a thousand dollars to be ghosted by a dating agency. And a HUGE thank you to everyone who attended The Spring Fling AKA Cath's formal. We share a little BTS audio as to what went down on the night.  In your ears today: Mary Coustas, Grace Lam, Ginni Mansberg and Cath Mahoney. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Audio and Video Producer Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Skip the 12-week waitlist. Subscribe to Mamamia today and you’ll automatically go in the draw to win a $5,000 B2C Furniture voucher to spend online or in-store on pieces available right now. Subscribe today. T&Cs apply. Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Author and skincare founder Zoë Foster Blake joins this week’s Unleashed and she’s bringing her new book, Group Chat, to the couch. Mary hired a nude dancer for a hen’s night, only for one very religious relative to become an extremely enthusiastic audience member. Bruna kept a cast fed, entertained and sane through COVID quarantine, right down to a request for a pet goanna. And Cath’s mum gave her one sentence when she was five that she’s lived by ever since. Plus, Zoë shares the travel rule she swears by, there's a girls trip thrown into chaos by one unexpected guest, and a group chat member who is about to get called out. It’s classic Unleashed full of life "advice" and the stories you can only tell your group chat. In your ears today: Mary Coustas, Bruna Papandrea, Cath Mahoney and guest Zoë Foster-Blake. You can buy Zoe's book Group Chat here.  Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We're bringing you a special divorce episode because we know so many of you are either in the messy middle of it, or have come out the other side and found some unexpected freedom (aka the silver linings amongst the heartbreak). First up, the Unleashed hosts have done the research and found some of the wildest ex stories to prove that, whatever your ex has done, yours might not be the worst. There’s a tampon “found on the street”, a cheater who sent a Brené Brown video as an apology, and a man who took out an AVO against his own five-foot-five ex after she caught him cheating. Sally, Ginni and Cath are the divorcees of the group, and they’re joined by Mamamia host Annaliese Todd to share their hard-earned wisdom in a very non-advice advice episode. Ginni hired an actual dating coach and became a self-described dating maniac. Annaliese ditched her married name the second she saw it on a restaurant reservation card. And Cath wrote a memoir called Currently Between Husbands because, at the time, she didn’t know a single other divorced woman. Because sometimes the best divorce advice is simply hearing someone else say: yep, me too. This special episode is made possible by our friends at HBO Max. War is the hot new HBO original series on the divorce of the century streaming now only on HBO Max. In your ears today: Ginni Mansberg, Annaliese Todd, Cath Mahoney and a special voice note from Sally Hepworth. Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Georgie tried to text her electrician a compliment and accidentally threatened him with legal action instead. Grace's ceiling caved in and dumped half a rooftop pool into her bedroom. Ginni is fairly convinced she drowned in a past life Plus: the eight-point list of things that annoy the Unleashed hosts. And Grace gives a "how to say no" masterclass that solves absolutely nothing. In your ears today: Georgie Page, Grace Lam, Ginni Mansberg, Cath Mahoney. Plus a little voice note from Sally Hepworth. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us. Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY: The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Cath went to the gynaecologist and came out with a story that involves stirrups, a giant screen, and a confession about waxing she did not mean to make. Sally used her own best friend as a human shield during a school egg fight. Also up for discussion is why nobody throws you a party for the last time you push a pram, and whether Gen Z has just figured out boundaries before the rest of us caught on. Plus, could Bruna win Survivor, Love Island or Australia's Next Top Model.  In your ears today: Sally Hepworth, Ginni Mansberg, Bruna Papandrea and Cath Mahoney. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us. Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY: The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Over the past two episodes, our co-host Ginni has shared the deeply personal story of her mum's decision to access voluntary assisted dying. In this final episode, Ginni takes us through the day her mum died and what came next. Because when all the planning is done and you've left the hospital for the last time, nobody can really prepare you for waking up the next morning and knowing the person who has been part of your life since the day you were born, is suddenly gone. We're meeting Ginni one week later, in the messy middle of grief. This is Part 3 of Ginni's special series. You can also listen to Part 1 and Part 2. If this conversation brought up hard feelings and you need some help, please call Lifeline here. In your ears today is Cath Mahoney, Mary Coustas and Ginni Mansberg Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us. Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! SUBSCRIPTION GIVEAWAY: The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply. Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Sally's dad had chest pains, so she drove him across town... to the wrong hospital, because he wanted the nicer one. Then she ended up with actual poop on her hands walking the family dogs. Cath did a full CSI-style deep clean before a friend came to stay, and Ginni confessed she is, unsettlingly, guest-ready at all times, no cleaning frenzy required. Oh, and Bruna has given herself a new job title. Plus: the exact age science says is the unhappiest of your whole life, and why one of them is only one year off it. In your ears today: Bruna Papandrea, Ginni Mansberg, Sally Hepworth and Cath Mahoney.  Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dr Ginni has six days left with her mum before she passes away. As Unleashers would know, Ginni’s mum is very ill and has been for a long time. She has made the decision to choose voluntary assisted dying. This is Part 2 of Ginni and her mum’s story, if you missed Part 1, you can listen here.  In this episode, Ginni opens up about life with a countdown on her mum’s life. From doctors' visits and the stark reality of someone’s final days, to the complicated family dynamics that don't simply disappear when the end is near. Because losing a parent isn't always simple. Sometimes, the person you love and admire most is also the person whose approval you've spent your whole life chasing. If this conversation brought up hard feelings and you need some help, please call Lifeline here. In your ears today is Cath Mahoney, Sally Hepworth and Ginni Mansberg Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us. Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Unleashed hosts have a movie pitch for Bruna and she is extremely underwhelmed. Georgie can't open a bottle of milk anymore without her wrist giving out. Ginni explains the real reason your jaw can seize up over something as small as a yawn. Bruna reveals her plan for the ultimate girls' commune, right down to the house rules. Plus, the noise that apparently ends your husband's chances tonight, a retirement plan built entirely around gossip, and a listener whose almost-moment in the kitchen got a lot more attention than she wanted. In your ears today: Bruna Papandrea, Ginni Mansberg, Georgie Page and Cath Mahoney. Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We talk a lot about getting older. Usually, we’re here for a laugh, because God knows we need one. But sometimes, at this stage of life, we also need to have a cry. For Gen X, that can mean watching our parents age and facing the realities of serious illness. Our co-host Ginni is living this right now. Her mum has been very ill for a long time and has made the decision to choose voluntary assisted dying. It’s been a long and complicated road for Ginni and her family, and she’s decided to share this deeply personal experience with us in the hope it might help another family. This is a three-part series taking us through the before, the moment itself and the after. If this conversation brought up hard feelings and you need some help, please call Lifeline here. In your ears today is Cath Mahoney, Bruna Papandrea and Ginni Mansberg Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us. Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor is Tina Matolov Social Media Producer is Annaliese Todd Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Cath got bumped off a screensaver, and she still remembers exactly who took her spot. Mary's husband treats a nap like a NASA mission. Ginni has one line she says to every patient before a certain exam, and it never fails. Plus: the movies and shows that actually ended relationships, the childhood celebrity meeting that went badly wrong, and a Spring Fling playlist update with strong opinions on Footloose. In your ears today: Ginni Mansberg, Mary Coustas, Georgie Page and Cath Mahoney. Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor Tina Matolov Social Media Producer Coco Lavigne  Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Right now, every Mamamia subscriber is automatically entered to win a $5,000 Dreamworld holiday for four; flights, accommodation, express passes and more included. Subscribe here to enter. T&Cs apply. Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Spring Fling Committee is officially meeting. Buy tickets to The Spring Fling. Cath accidentally gave Dannii Minogue a full Basic Instinct moment. Georgie will defend her sleep bra collection to her grave. Bruna's mum has a Google Alert set up and reports back whether she likes her work or not.  And somehow, everyone's first job scarred them for life... burns, tips, tiny wrists, and one very large tray. Plus: the four-month house guest nobody knows how to evict, and the world's most detailed dummy's guide to solo parenting. In your ears today: Grace Lam, Bruna Papandrea, Cath Mahoney and Georgie Page. Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks! The End Bits: Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.showLove the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.This show was produced and created by Mia Freedman Created and developed by Monique Bowley Executive Producer Grace Rouvray Senior Producer and Audio Editor is Tina Matolov Social Media Producer is Coco Lavigne  Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here! Right now, every Mamamia subscriber is automatically entered to win a $5,000 Dreamworld holiday for four; flights, accommodation, express passes and more included. Subscribe here to enter. T&Cs apply. Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same. Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.